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Sarkastro writes "Wired has this story on the pending death of the .su domain. Since the Soviet Union broke up a decade ago, all of the former members now have their own ccTLDs. Now, some people are ready to see .su be put to rest, including ICANN who is quite firm in their stance. Others within the former Soviet Union would like to see it stick around as a geopgraphical area domain. Currently, .su domains cost $15,000 (.ru cost less than $30), so there are only about 28,000 registered. It's especially interesting to watch how the Internet reacts to geographical boundaries that no longer exist. It's easy to add a ccTLD, but much much harder to remove one."
Weird. You'd then expect something along the lines of .eu, .na, .as, etc.. assuming that none of those exist at the moment. Too lazy to look them up.
What do you people think of geographical TLDs as opposed to national ones?
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is that really $ or rubles?
Im suprised .ux is not a tld
www.lin.ux
www.tu.x
www.s.ux
www.hp.ux
What justification do they have for that exorbitant price tag?
Voodoo Girl is the bomb!
that the commies are selling domains. heh heh. death to all bourgeois! heh.
In a bid to protect new domains from cybersquatters, the FID set a $15,000 price tag on registering a dot-su domain.
If you're a cybersquatter such as Microsoft or PETA, price isn't a problem, now is it?
Now, there's the matter of actually wanting a domain like that. I don't even think either of them are capable of such wasteful spending... then again...
Okay, I'm going to sleep. Having no sleep is hazardous to your health, and causes you to make posts like this one.
Danish != nationality
it's $1,000: http://www.nic.ru/en/index.html
What is the cheapest domain name to get? has there been a third world country yet who has decided to sell domain names for $5 a year? I think that could create some serious money..
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I'd be pretty pissed if someone took away my $20 domain. I can't imagine what I'd do if someone took away a domain I just paid 15 grand for just because a few people in ICANN think .su should be obsolete.
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diahat.su
goat.su
stfu.su
my-betty.
15000-is-way-too-much-for.su
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Many countries are going to change their names in the future. The article doesn't really go into it, but I'm sure the name has some political overtones for many people in Russia. Some other names with political ramifications are .tw (taiwan) .cs (Czechoslovakia) .kp and .kr (Koreas) etc.
Maybe we should move to something more flexible.
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If they succeed in keeping .ru, I'd like to get the .we ccTLD for Pangea (for Whole Earth). It broke up a lot longer ago than the Soviet Union.
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Currently, .su domains cost $15,000 (.ru cost less than $30), so there are only about 28,000 registered.
.su domains for $15,000, much less any economy absorbing a half billion dollars worth of them.
.su domains, and who got all the cash?
That sentence is simply insane. $15,000 dollars per domain times 28,000 domains is nearly a half billion dollars. I simply can't imagine anyone buying even one of the oh-so-valuable
What is the real story on the price? How much have most people really paid for their
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I thought URLs were supposed to be permanently stable! Shutting down a TLD does not exactly help this out...
I admit I've broken a couple minor links on my own sites, but I do try very very hard to keep old URLs working...
If they decide to take away .su, you could always sue. http://www.lawyers.su ;)
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The pending death ( or not ) of the .su domain is yet anothe demonstration of the stupidity of ICANN.
The best policy is to let it stay around. And to add more TLDs to the list. If they need rules, they could have two letters for countries and geographic areas. Three letters ( or more ) for anything else.
All ICANN should do, is set the technical standards for setting up a TLD, and then letting anybody who meets them, setup the TLD, and maintain the root servers for that TLD. It just might mean that domain names are meaningful --- especially if the TLD granter enforces the naming policies of that TDL. [ .org would only be for non-profit organizations, as one example. ]
The register of the .su TLD does have one thing more or less right --- only trademarks can be registered. [ I think it should also allow the name of the organization, or its initials. Granted, that will eliminate personal webpages with a domain of their own. ( free.tibet comes to mind. ( and yes that is the correct URL for that page. ) ) Allowing cities or states as the second level should also be permissible. I'm not sure I want things the way the .us domain was originally setup yourname.yourcity.yourstate.us, but it has some advantages. http://www.symphony.seattle.wa.us is a lot easier to remember than whatever the Seattle Symphony uses for their website. http://symphony.renton.wa.us is much easier to remember than whatever they use --- which isn't listed on google either. :-(
True that .su doesn't have many known web sited. The problem is that ons of working e-mail addresses will be doomed. E.g. my father has an e-mail which has not changed as of 1994. Hundreds, if not thousands of people know it and there's no way to track whom to notify of change. For him, removing .su woud be a DISASTER. Hope it will never happen
There is also a plan afoot to drop the .net.uk second level domain by Christmas. Strong objections have been raised, but Nominet may not listen. It is scary to think that one's online identity (be it .su or .net.uk or something else) could be pulled out from under you. IMHO, if upper-level domains are to be scrapped, the existing ones should be grandfathered.
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What's wrong with both Geographical and national cc's? Geek thinking tends to try to make it all "make sense" by conforming to a pattern or rule, but why? It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to work.
What would the world be today if soviet union was arround? would terrorism have grown to this level? i have a nagging doubt that it is the absence of an alternative power centre that caused it to grow..
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.su domains here in the ligoroursly disposed U.S.S.R as yous in West part like to say, it is C.C.R.
.su!
I ams Top Level Directorate of
Asks us and thinks us we are bad yet unrepentant Political Party in Russia that gathers steams in large bushels.
We are Voice of The Peoples.
To say that we have no longer a voices in top leveled domains is propaganda. We are the largest party of politics in Russia. Powerful and forceful. With clouts. We have!
We be shall returning to the International Arena with forces and large clout given to us by the Land of The Mother.
By Stalin! We shall retake Leningrad and
All U R Ship R Belong to Us.
I-will-help-u.cu
Who-do-you-want-to.cu
It's easy to add a ccTLD, but much much harder to remove one.
;-)
How about:
# su -
# rm ccTLD/.su
that, once reunited, the Soviet Union might hire a bunch of lawyers and su ? ;)
Is there some other entity *wanting* the .su top-level particularly badly (I didn't see anything in the article telling me one way or the other)?
.su and raise the maintainence fees accordingly so that it dies out naturally. When it reaches zero domains (or close enough to zero for government work) nix the top-level domain. ICANN gets money, the die-hards get continued use of the domain. Problem solved right?
They should stop allowing new registrations within
.MS is actually in use by the caribbean country Montserrat [2], according to http://www.ms/names.htm and nic.ms. You can get a domain for US$50 a year, but microsoft.ms is already registred by Virtualley InterWarez.Services GmbH. ;-)
Well there is one thing that some are ignoring. Apart of nostalgia and other problems, like lots of mail users still being in .su domain, there is another argument. Some people want to use .su for CIS sites.
I may not know many .su sites, but I don't know too many .museum's either. They should start dropping that too.
Because host names without a dot are reserved for the local network.
Half of your listed "occupied countries" are invalid. The good ones are Tibet and Hawaii.
Because DNS actually has some meaning to its syntax. It's not just a slightly different looking set of "AOL keywords" with periods inconveniently placed in it.
Now, I'd be all for another naming system if people really want another one (and I'm *sure* nothing would make MS happier than controlling their own naming system...like a global Active Directory or something), but can people stop trying to mangle DNS? It's been a nice, (relatively) straightforward system for years.
".biz". Argh. Fucking registrars.
May we never see th
Oh, brother.
.xxx TLD and then make international agreements to force porn to be in .xxx, there's going to be more classification arguments than we can possibly imagine.
.co.uk, you don't have to worry about trademark conflicts, because the country already has an excellent, dispute-resolved database to work from, and simply applies that system to their name granting system.
This isn't just *DNS*, it's the standardized ISO country code system. It's always hard to change, it doesn't change easily, etc.
You want some good reasons to use the current system? Okay, let's go.
A) Politics. Not just a joke any more. A lot of "countries" want legitimacy (or to remove legitimacy) by getting a TLD, and political pressure has been placed on ICANN before. ICANN solved this by passing the buck onto ISO, and saying that they don't deal with political problems -- that they use only ISO country codes for regions. Unless you want Israel or Palestine bombing ICANN members, this is worth considering.
B) Stability. A naming system that fluxes constantly is *much* less useful. The idea is that IPs can change, the underlying network can move around, but names stay the same. If you move to *anything* that's easier to change, you reduce the usefulness of the naming system to end users.
C) Inherent data within the naming system. With a few annoying exceptions, you can tell where something is based just by glancing at its domain name. Now, before people start on the usual 'Net dogma "the Internet erases all boundaries and obsoletes nationalities", let me point out that we still happen to exist in the real world as well, for the time being. There's a fairly useful correlation between country name and physical distance (esp. since most educated people can tell roughly how far it is from their country to another). Unless network technology gets drastically different, this has a pretty major relationship to latency, bandwidth, *and* network cost (i.e. you're supposed to use mirrors within your own country, and it's pretty easy to tell where they are if you just glance at the TLD on the mirrors). Second, like it or not, different countries have different laws and censorship rules as relate to the Internet. If I can easily tell that a site is in China, I can figure out whether the government's likely to have sanitized the information on it.
D) It's *a* clear solution. The good thing about the current system is that there aren't quibbles. "Well, *maybe* ISO really meant *this* when they assigned the country codes" doesn't come up. If people start trying to build a
E) Trademark issues. There's a fairly clear (and, I think, reasonable) advantage to Microsoft in not letting Apple grab "microsoft.com" and redirect it to a fake site that gives people a bad impression of Microsoft. Countries already have their own trademark rules and registries set up, with a legal system in place to avoid conflicts. If you register things in
F) Potential for an alternative. DNS isn't bound into the Internet at an architectural level, though it is quite popular. It's quite replaceable by people that want to set up their own system. If you want a non-hierarchical system, without domains (i.e. keywords), *go* for it. Set up a couple of servers, a registrar, hand out patches for Mozilla and IE, and you're good to go. Just don't try to turn the *Domain* Name System into your *Keyword* Name System. If someone wanted to set up a naming system based on GPS coordinates, they could do it if they wanted to.
May we never see th
Because DNS is hierarchical.
You don't like it, for the love of God, don't try to make everyone else unhappy with DNS. Set up your own "keyword" server, add a patch to Moz and IE, and let people use *that* naming system.
If that's what people really want, people will use it.
May we never see th
" With a few annoying exceptions, you can tell where something is based just by glancing at its domain name."
.tv dont even know where tuvalu is. .tk's are free for anyone, anywhere, again.. and i doubt their users can even pronounce Tokelau (note: to save you all some time, they only give redirects, its not that great.)
Some examples of the exceptions:
- That whole "dot tv" bullshit. I'd say atleast half of the people with
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- and most other domains also let you register without actually being there or in any way being related to that location. see irc server in my username/sig.
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Because, the Internet is NOT the "World Wide Web". It's not what you see with your web browser and email. What makes sense to you is not necessarily what someone else wants.
THe DNS system is designed to give machines and networks a name, and that's it. It's a shame that the WWW uses dns as a keyword system in the first place; I advocate going the other way; scrap the generic TLD's and stick to regional country codes.
He only won the gimmick Battle Royal, not the Royal Rumble. He is however a former WWF Champion (beating Bob Backlund, losing to Hulk Hogan). And what does Iran have to do with the USSR anyway? Shouldn't we be talking about Nikolai Volkoff?
Why would they not be able to keep .ru? I just asked my Russian friend, and Russia definately still exists.
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Funny and tragically relevant to the story.
How can you possibly include Hawaii in your list of occupied countries? Hawaii became a U.S. state in 1959. The citizens of Hawaii are fully represented in the U.S. government. With 4 electoral votes, they have more representation than Alaska, Deleware, D.C., Montana, North & South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming. Hawaii is not an occupied country.
I'd tell him to set up a forwarding address now and start telling people of the possibility. If it were cut off abruptly, it's a lot easier to forward your mail to a different provider than it is to tell everyone that your e-mail address has changed (hell, half the people that send me e-mail don't have my account in their address book - they just find a message from me in their inbox and click REPLY).
Define easy. Ryan Lackey of Havenco spoke at ACM's Reflections/Projections conference this weekend, and he expects that getting a TLD for Sealand will take about 5 years. That sounds like a long process.
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I was thinking about getting .su, mmmmmm...
Why pay 15 grand for a domain when you can just "su" the current owner for it ? ICANN is so retarded you can probably bullshit your way into a free domain.
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At the ICANN Building in New York City, a meeting of nations is in progress.
Russian official: The Soviet Union will be pleased to offer amnesty to your wayward website.
American official: The Soviet Union? I thought you guys broke up.
Russian official: Yes, that's what we wanted you to think! [evil laugh] -- "Simpson Tide", Episode 3G04
Yes, but they were always very close. I believe they often worked as a tag team. How amazing how art imitates life. How close the pagan Soviet Union was to the radical Islamic state of Iran. Who would have ever thought these two ideological enemies could come together in peace and harmony in their hatred of the United States? God sometimes politics is awesome.
Just stop registering new domains and let the old ones stay.
.su domains happy and online.
It is probably a lot less work for everyone involved, and will keep people with
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Speaking of .tv - what happens to that TLD should Tuvalu actually sinks into the ocean?
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Then, I can have fun names like riaa.will.su, netkooks.will.su, and the ultimate, scientology.will.su.
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Funny you didn't mention .cx. But I guess they aren't as popular as when they were free to people other than Christmas Island residents.
.ws, not "web site", or "world site", Western Somoa. Oh and the newest of the bunch, .bz, has become popular because of .biz, which I'm sure makes Belize happy.
.io is much like .tk, but you have to pay for it.
Also
You can find all this at http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-whois.htm.
Oh, and
fucking capitalist brainwashers.
when is RedAlert 3 gonna comes out?
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.oz was removed years ago. What used to live there moved to oz.au.
To me it seemed as though we got only more geographical boudaries by the breakup of the Unbreakable Union of Freeborn Republics...
With coorporate frauds, Israel protectionism and all the recent war mongering, Americanism, I'm afraid, can^H^H^Hmust no longer be the "in" thing. This socialist vigilante gets my vote. You go, comrade --- bring down them capitalist monkey men!
So if Bush gets his way and we obliterate Iraq, what will become of the .iq domain?
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You are confused. .cx was never free to people other than residents. The opposite is true, it was (and afair still is) free to residents. Foreigners had to pay since the beginning.
The finnish "finnishness" movement (that, among other things, wants to promote Finnish in favour of minority languages such as Swedish) would probably appreciate .su being freed up so that they could get a ccTLD for Finland in Finnish (Finland is "Suomi" in Finnish).
The only problem is probably that the proposal would be submitted in Finnish.
a.boy.named.su
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E) Trademark issues. There's a fairly clear (and, I think, reasonable) advantage to Microsoft in not letting Apple grab "microsoft.com" and redirect it to a fake site that gives people a bad impression of Microsoft.
What, that they do it well enough on their own?
I might be wrong but I thought at one time they where giving away domains to opensource projects. Basically as a way of saying thanks for all the software.
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http://save.nsk.su/english/media/pr/011106.html
.SU must be saved. During the last ten days in October 2001 one of Novosibirsk biggest ISP Rinet carried on an interactive user poll on its official corporate web site. The results show that 52% of users believe that the domain .SU must be saved.
52% of users believe that the domain
The visitors were given 4 choices of an answer to the question: "What do you think about possible TLD SU destruction?"
a) Yes, it's high time that SU must be destroyed - 18.2%
b) No, It should be left as is - 52.3%
c) No difference - 17.4%
d) I never heard about possible destruction before! - 12.1%
All voters could also follow the link to the "Save SU" site and find out more about the issue of the domain before replying to the poll question.
http://save.nsk.su/english/vote/index.html
.SU destruction. From the marketing point of view (which - by all means - should determine the technical point of view with the users' interests and not the other way around) existence of .SU is fully justified. We don't agree with the attitude of those people who say that we will not be harmed by .SU destruction. On this market every solution is possible if it is demanded by users just like different watches or briefcases ranging in price from $1 to $15000 and more for an item. This is rather a question of personal preferences and habits of every one. No internet user should become a hostage of some administrative and political games of separate individuals who traditionally were closer than many regular users to the decision-making Internet organizations.
We as users stay out of arguments about technical issues that play for
A. Closing out their .su domain.
B. Transferring their name to another ccTLD in the world;
C. Transferring their name to one of the new Republics ccTLDs once they were set up;
After that was done, the .su ccTLD should have died in 1991-92 and not in 2002, a full ten years after the events happened.
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