The really interesting thing about all this is, if the market continues to reject Vista on the basis that it's bad technology even when it's working properly, and they consider their choices to consist of either sticking with the Windows XP that they know or taking a risk on the Linux upstart which seems to have a trustworthy reputation, the simple fact that Linux is 64 bit could make it the only performance contender around on commodity hardware.
When Vista isn't an acceptable option, you don't own a Mac, and you've got a gig of ram sitting there unused, that's a pretty powerful pressure to use another operating system.
If someone who can reach the site wants to Karma Whore and paste the whole article in here somewhere, that would probably actually be legal in this case. Hint hint.
This could be VERY useful to my new project. But the thing's slashdotted.
Anyone who was able to read the article able to say if there was anything in there about how they will handle limitations of the offering? If someone wants to raise or lower or otherwise alter the terms under which they will allow commercial use, are there provisions to supersede prior statements, or to limit how long the commercial offering remains legally binding?
Typically, you'd want a price quote to be a legally binding offering only if the recipient concludes a deal within a certain timeframe. Can this license do that?
It's all well and good to talk about how they shouldn't be forced to subsidize their competition, but the fact is, they own all the lines, cable and telephone. They're a monopoly who are obligated to share their lines with other ISPs to create the illusion of a free market. The competition between cable and ADSL never happened there, and Australians get gouged fiercely because of it. There are no reasonably priced all you can eat plans there.
Telstra are truly horrific to deal with. They cap your bandwidth at a ridiculously low level, then force you to pay through the nose. The justification being that they have to pay for the bandwidth they use to connect to other ISPs. Telstra are supposed to provide a place for very popular files to be hosted so people won't go outside the Australian subnet and incur more operational costs.
What they are doing here is using their monopoly control as an ISP to make alternatives to their ASP offering more expensive. Telstra customers should expect their provider to take steps to cut costs by local mirroring and make service better. This doesn't just hurt the person downloading, it hurts the internet connection for all of Australia, because everyone is with Telstra, and now they're going to be shipping OpenOffice back and forth across the fiber lines that support the continent, repeatedly and needlessly.
Why don't you just go build a fence, then we can nail the doors shut from the northern side, turn off your lights and find better people to deal with? You sit on your side of the border with a gun, and I'll sit on mine with a gun, and you can all starve to death rounding up the immigrants that grow your food.
No, you are making blatantly false statements in an attempt to lead those who don't click through and check links into making incorrect conclusions, or at least muddy the water. First you say he was Romanian, now you say it doesn't matter that he was from Gitmo. What will you say next?
The deal is, the leaker is being thorough. He has given evidence, and has indicated where he has sources but no evidence, and has covered all the bases. You, on the other hand, are here trying to do damage control.
The user in question is simply a common wikipedia vandal. The only pro-US change he made was calling Fidel Castro a transsexual, yet he goes on to call the president "George Wanker Bush" and a "fag". Those two edits were the only politic-related pages he altered. Furthermore, his IP resolves to Romania, which is nowhere near Guantanamo or any place I would choose to conveniently locate a pro-US wikipedia propaganda artist.
More lies and propaganda. The link you posted was to the person who edited BEFORE it was altered. The link to the actual user who did this is here
Reverse DNS lookup reveals that IP belongs to:
130.22.190.5 resolves to
"public.jtfgtmo.southcom.mil"
Top Level Domain: "southcom.mil"
This is the American government speaking to the American people and to the world through Wikipedia, not identifying itself and often speaking about itself in the third person, Assange said in a telephone interview from Paris.
Army Lt. Col. Ed Bush, a prison camps spokesman, said there is no official attempt to alter information posted elsewhere but said the military seeks to correct what it believes is incorrect or outdated information about the prison.
Bush declined to answer questions about the Castro posting.
Assange said that in January 2006, someone at Guantánamo wrote in a Wikipedia profile of the Cuban president: Fidel Castro is an admitted transexual, the unknown writer said, misspelling the word transsexual.
The U.S. has no formal relations with Cuba and has maintained its base in the southeast of the island over the objections of the Castro government.
So, that's a lie. Also, from the link you posted:
Revision as of 20:55, 16 January 2006 (edit)...my comrades: when he made his report he was fair enough to acknowledge as an incontestable fact that we maintained a high spirit of chivalry throughout the struggle.'' [http://www.marxists.org/history/cuba/archive/castro/1953/10/16.htm]
Revision as of 22:22, 16 January 2006 (edit)...my comrades: when he made his report he was fair enough to acknowledge as an incontestable fact that we maintained a high spirit of chivalry throughout the struggle.'' [http://www.marxists.org/history/cuba/archive/castro/1953/10/16.htm]
+ Fidel Castro is an admitted transexual.
Wolff, Richard M. MC1, USN, Mass Communication Specialist/Webmaster
Joint Task Force Guantanamo APO AE 09360 Cuba
Phone: 011-5399-8135
Ph DSN: 660-8135
Email: richard.m.wolff@jtfgtmo.southcom.mil
Alt Email: usnavymc1@yahoo.com
I was replying to a person who commented that the constant bombardment of propaganda would make him want to start shooting people. That seems to happen down there quite a bit, except they always shoot fellow suffering victims, never to the perpetrators. Like the school killings that happen over.
As for my axe-to-grind, the US have got a million immigrants in concentration camps. Right now.
You know, the US immigration department tried to bully my girlfriend, an ordinary graphic designer, who lived in the US for a good chunk of her life, but left the country several years prior and wasn't even in the country anymore, to come back to the US so she could be charged before being formally deported. Because she separated from her partner and left.
Other people who wanted to be reasonable, keep their future travel options open, and agreed to do this have ended up disappearing into jail cells for years. That's the plain truth. I'm honestly afraid to even fly through your crazy fucking nation. People get tortured to death because someone at the airport was feeling itchy, and it's not even a big deal. It happened last month.
As for annexing my country, I live in Canada. We have back room deals to create a single currency now that yours is tanking, we have out in the open plans to create a North American Union, we have an open conspiracy to dredge the St. Lawrence canal into a super-shipping highway and turn the northeastern part of the continent into a poor, industrialized economic zone called Atlantica like some third world country. And you've got a million tanks sitting on our border.
The US have been taking all our oil and using it to sustain your war. Members of your government corrupt our politicians to enforce rules that tax us for our cultural and intellectual works so you can pay us for those resources with the right to behave as we wish. That is ALSO right out in the open.
The US bribed our politicians into privatizing, been an ongoing process since the Regan years, and bought everything up, and now all our way-more-educated-than-your-people work in call centers for your companies. Because we got sold out by people who traded the common wealth they were entrusted with for monopoly money from the Fed, then moved south.
None of this fucked up shit, including the propaganda tools that this article is about, is even hidden, it just happens right out there in the open. Enough that people were commenting about shooting in the streets as a response before I posted.
So, in a nutshell, your country fucked us totally just like they do everyone else, and now they're trying to just take over.
As far as I'm concerned, I hope your countries political and economic structures absolutely fucking collapse so we can start fixing our own without your meddling. But that's not what's going to happen. Your nation is trying to take everything that is ours and squeeze us like slaves for everything we have, and that's only going to get worse to the point of being unbearable as your unsustainable systems come closer to collapse.
As this is an international site, and as I am a loudmouth, I like to come around and point these sorts of things out, and I'm not obligated to stop. So, have fun on your road to hell.
It's not a gimmick. You're a nation of psychotics led by a genocidal madman, and you're fucking my country up meddling in our economic and political processes. I'm scared of you, because you're fascists and war criminals, you keep people in concentration camps, and you're about to annex my country. You're not the one that needs to worry, I am.
I dunno about you, but I wouldn't have to be a paranoid schizophrenic to get violent over being marauded by advertisement. It's just something that would slowly eat away at my sanity, forcing me to kill the next person that walks by, hopefully an advertiser.
Now, that's just not cool.
If you're going to throw the whole thing away and go shoot people, don't go for students and people who eat at MacDonalds like everyone else does. Go after the scumbags behind all this and do us a solid on your way out.
Evil manipulative scumbags using public money to help restaurants figure out how to subvert our reason should be shot in the head for it. Propaganda is not ok.
Lying is the greatest harm in the world. It causes people to act irrationally.
In this case, you're giving people reason to believe that you the plagiarist have competency when you don't, and you're removing the evidence of the authors competence and skill. On top of that, you're making the whole world a place full of lies and deceit, where we need to recheck everything over and over in case some malignant asshole is polluting the truth.
Capitalism is about property and control, and it grows by absorbing things that were free of control into the realm of property and control through legislation that validates its efforts.
Linux, on the other hand, by virtue of its licensing, is explicitly not subject to the typical application of property and control, which is enforced by the application of their own possession of said property and control.
The different companies are all fighting to get the money, so it doesn't really matter which one won.
What matters is that these efforts have been accepted and normalized to such an extent that those same companies who would be destroyed if larger numbers of the population were to operate under similar ideologies have been forced to accept that it's superior and justify why it's superior as they choose to use it, in this very article.
That's pretty fucking powerful stuff. I'm laughing my ass off at this.
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And who wins? HP of course. Who loses? Sun. Now if they had switched to/from Windows, then it'd be big news. As it is, it's not that big of a deal since Linux is in plenty of mission critical systems. The hospital I used to work at had Linux machines controlling their linear accelerators in radiation oncology.
NYSE, the Ivory Tower of capitalism, switching to Linux.
You know who won? Richard Stallman, that's who won. Congratulations dude.
There wasn't any substance in the Guilds either. The decision to stay or go is a triviality because it's nothing but mindless entertainment that achieves nothing. So, conclusions from this study wouldn't really mean anything anyways.
Kind of a waste of time if you ask me. Don't they have anything better to do? If they don't, their education was a waste of time.
So the one with the biggest gun wins. Very simple. Might makes right. Any questions?
No... the one no one is aiming a gun at wins. If someone's aiming at you, you are already dead.
You think it's cause your nation is tough, but it's not. It's because it takes a little while to reconcile the real world we live in with the sweet propaganda of our childhood. Once everyone's psyche absorbs that, you're dead men walking.
The author, as such, appears to have slept through the last 30 years, in which the original Macintosh established the desktop metaphors Microsoft poorly reimplemented and Linux re-re-implemented many many times over.
Why do you think everyone uses this metaphor? Is it because it was so damned brilliant that we just had to have it for ourselves?
No.
It's because it's an obvious way to deal with human beings from a two dimensional screen. Break it into a limitless number of arbitrary resizeable subscreens, give them a pointing device. Gee, that's really tough to come up with by yourself... not like anyone who sat down and thought about it wouldn't come to the same basic conclusion.
Ever used Yast, Aptitude or URPMI much ? They are kinda like download.com and tucows are for windows users, except that without crap or rigmarole as you put it.
Yes, but is clicking an email going to fire up Aptitude and install the emailed malware?
Slashdot Mirror
The really interesting thing about all this is, if the market continues to reject Vista on the basis that it's bad technology even when it's working properly, and they consider their choices to consist of either sticking with the Windows XP that they know or taking a risk on the Linux upstart which seems to have a trustworthy reputation, the simple fact that Linux is 64 bit could make it the only performance contender around on commodity hardware.
When Vista isn't an acceptable option, you don't own a Mac, and you've got a gig of ram sitting there unused, that's a pretty powerful pressure to use another operating system.
The real question is, how back-portable is the IE8 browser? If it only runs on Vista, it's not going to matter much.
If someone who can reach the site wants to Karma Whore and paste the whole article in here somewhere, that would probably actually be legal in this case. Hint hint.
This could be VERY useful to my new project. But the thing's slashdotted.
Anyone who was able to read the article able to say if there was anything in there about how they will handle limitations of the offering? If someone wants to raise or lower or otherwise alter the terms under which they will allow commercial use, are there provisions to supersede prior statements, or to limit how long the commercial offering remains legally binding?
Typically, you'd want a price quote to be a legally binding offering only if the recipient concludes a deal within a certain timeframe. Can this license do that?
I hope they find my IP in there. I'd love to be pushed.
It's all well and good to talk about how they shouldn't be forced to subsidize their competition, but the fact is, they own all the lines, cable and telephone. They're a monopoly who are obligated to share their lines with other ISPs to create the illusion of a free market. The competition between cable and ADSL never happened there, and Australians get gouged fiercely because of it. There are no reasonably priced all you can eat plans there.
Telstra are truly horrific to deal with. They cap your bandwidth at a ridiculously low level, then force you to pay through the nose. The justification being that they have to pay for the bandwidth they use to connect to other ISPs. Telstra are supposed to provide a place for very popular files to be hosted so people won't go outside the Australian subnet and incur more operational costs.
What they are doing here is using their monopoly control as an ISP to make alternatives to their ASP offering more expensive. Telstra customers should expect their provider to take steps to cut costs by local mirroring and make service better. This doesn't just hurt the person downloading, it hurts the internet connection for all of Australia, because everyone is with Telstra, and now they're going to be shipping OpenOffice back and forth across the fiber lines that support the continent, repeatedly and needlessly.
Scummy.
Why don't you just go build a fence, then we can nail the doors shut from the northern side, turn off your lights and find better people to deal with? You sit on your side of the border with a gun, and I'll sit on mine with a gun, and you can all starve to death rounding up the immigrants that grow your food.
No, you are making blatantly false statements in an attempt to lead those who don't click through and check links into making incorrect conclusions, or at least muddy the water. First you say he was Romanian, now you say it doesn't matter that he was from Gitmo. What will you say next?
The deal is, the leaker is being thorough. He has given evidence, and has indicated where he has sources but no evidence, and has covered all the bases. You, on the other hand, are here trying to do damage control.
The user in question is simply a common wikipedia vandal. The only pro-US change he made was calling Fidel Castro a transsexual, yet he goes on to call the president "George Wanker Bush" and a "fag". Those two edits were the only politic-related pages he altered. Furthermore, his IP resolves to Romania, which is nowhere near Guantanamo or any place I would choose to conveniently locate a pro-US wikipedia propaganda artist.
More lies and propaganda. The link you posted was to the person who edited BEFORE it was altered. The link to the actual user who did this is here
Reverse DNS lookup reveals that IP belongs to:
130.22.190.5 resolves to
"public.jtfgtmo.southcom.mil"
Top Level Domain: "southcom.mil"
So, how much do you guys get paid for doing this?
From the article in question:
This is the American government speaking to the American people and to the world through Wikipedia, not identifying itself and often speaking about itself in the third person, Assange said in a telephone interview from Paris.
Army Lt. Col. Ed Bush, a prison camps spokesman, said there is no official attempt to alter information posted elsewhere but said the military seeks to correct what it believes is incorrect or outdated information about the prison.
Bush declined to answer questions about the Castro posting.
Assange said that in January 2006, someone at Guantánamo wrote in a Wikipedia profile of the Cuban president: Fidel Castro is an admitted transexual, the unknown writer said, misspelling the word transsexual.
The U.S. has no formal relations with Cuba and has maintained its base in the southeast of the island over the objections of the Castro government.
So, that's a lie. Also, from the link you posted:
Revision as of 20:55, 16 January 2006 (edit)
Revision as of 22:22, 16 January 2006 (edit)
So, you're not just a liar, but also an idiot.
According to the article:
Wolff, Richard M. MC1, USN, Mass Communication Specialist/Webmaster
Joint Task Force Guantanamo APO AE 09360 Cuba
Phone: 011-5399-8135
Ph DSN: 660-8135
Email: richard.m.wolff@jtfgtmo.southcom.mil
Alt Email: usnavymc1@yahoo.com
Wouldn't want that to get misplaced.
I was replying to a person who commented that the constant bombardment of propaganda would make him want to start shooting people. That seems to happen down there quite a bit, except they always shoot fellow suffering victims, never to the perpetrators. Like the school killings that happen over.
As for my axe-to-grind, the US have got a million immigrants in concentration camps. Right now.
You know, the US immigration department tried to bully my girlfriend, an ordinary graphic designer, who lived in the US for a good chunk of her life, but left the country several years prior and wasn't even in the country anymore, to come back to the US so she could be charged before being formally deported. Because she separated from her partner and left.
Other people who wanted to be reasonable, keep their future travel options open, and agreed to do this have ended up disappearing into jail cells for years. That's the plain truth. I'm honestly afraid to even fly through your crazy fucking nation. People get tortured to death because someone at the airport was feeling itchy, and it's not even a big deal. It happened last month.
As for annexing my country, I live in Canada. We have back room deals to create a single currency now that yours is tanking, we have out in the open plans to create a North American Union, we have an open conspiracy to dredge the St. Lawrence canal into a super-shipping highway and turn the northeastern part of the continent into a poor, industrialized economic zone called Atlantica like some third world country. And you've got a million tanks sitting on our border.
The US have been taking all our oil and using it to sustain your war. Members of your government corrupt our politicians to enforce rules that tax us for our cultural and intellectual works so you can pay us for those resources with the right to behave as we wish. That is ALSO right out in the open.
The US bribed our politicians into privatizing, been an ongoing process since the Regan years, and bought everything up, and now all our way-more-educated-than-your-people work in call centers for your companies. Because we got sold out by people who traded the common wealth they were entrusted with for monopoly money from the Fed, then moved south.
None of this fucked up shit, including the propaganda tools that this article is about, is even hidden, it just happens right out there in the open. Enough that people were commenting about shooting in the streets as a response before I posted.
So, in a nutshell, your country fucked us totally just like they do everyone else, and now they're trying to just take over.
As far as I'm concerned, I hope your countries political and economic structures absolutely fucking collapse so we can start fixing our own without your meddling. But that's not what's going to happen. Your nation is trying to take everything that is ours and squeeze us like slaves for everything we have, and that's only going to get worse to the point of being unbearable as your unsustainable systems come closer to collapse.
As this is an international site, and as I am a loudmouth, I like to come around and point these sorts of things out, and I'm not obligated to stop. So, have fun on your road to hell.
It's not a gimmick. You're a nation of psychotics led by a genocidal madman, and you're fucking my country up meddling in our economic and political processes. I'm scared of you, because you're fascists and war criminals, you keep people in concentration camps, and you're about to annex my country. You're not the one that needs to worry, I am.
I dunno about you, but I wouldn't have to be a paranoid schizophrenic to get violent over being marauded by advertisement. It's just something that would slowly eat away at my sanity, forcing me to kill the next person that walks by, hopefully an advertiser.
Now, that's just not cool.
If you're going to throw the whole thing away and go shoot people, don't go for students and people who eat at MacDonalds like everyone else does. Go after the scumbags behind all this and do us a solid on your way out.
Assuming you never tell lies (since you obviously don't want yourself put to death) I wonder how you'll feel being all alone in the world?
At least I'd have relief from this zoo. The more people around, the farther away I need to roam to get the fuck away from them.
Evil manipulative scumbags using public money to help restaurants figure out how to subvert our reason should be shot in the head for it. Propaganda is not ok.
Lying is the greatest harm in the world. It causes people to act irrationally.
In this case, you're giving people reason to believe that you the plagiarist have competency when you don't, and you're removing the evidence of the authors competence and skill. On top of that, you're making the whole world a place full of lies and deceit, where we need to recheck everything over and over in case some malignant asshole is polluting the truth.
Liars should be put to death.
Capitalism is about property and control, and it grows by absorbing things that were free of control into the realm of property and control through legislation that validates its efforts.
Linux, on the other hand, by virtue of its licensing, is explicitly not subject to the typical application of property and control, which is enforced by the application of their own possession of said property and control.
The different companies are all fighting to get the money, so it doesn't really matter which one won.
What matters is that these efforts have been accepted and normalized to such an extent that those same companies who would be destroyed if larger numbers of the population were to operate under similar ideologies have been forced to accept that it's superior and justify why it's superior as they choose to use it, in this very article.
That's pretty fucking powerful stuff. I'm laughing my ass off at this.
And who wins? HP of course. Who loses? Sun. Now if they had switched to/from Windows, then it'd be big news. As it is, it's not that big of a deal since Linux is in plenty of mission critical systems. The hospital I used to work at had Linux machines controlling their linear accelerators in radiation oncology.
NYSE, the Ivory Tower of capitalism, switching to Linux.
You know who won? Richard Stallman, that's who won. Congratulations dude.
There wasn't any substance in the Guilds either. The decision to stay or go is a triviality because it's nothing but mindless entertainment that achieves nothing. So, conclusions from this study wouldn't really mean anything anyways.
Kind of a waste of time if you ask me. Don't they have anything better to do? If they don't, their education was a waste of time.
So the one with the biggest gun wins. Very simple. Might makes right. Any questions?
No... the one no one is aiming a gun at wins. If someone's aiming at you, you are already dead.
You think it's cause your nation is tough, but it's not. It's because it takes a little while to reconcile the real world we live in with the sweet propaganda of our childhood. Once everyone's psyche absorbs that, you're dead men walking.
Life was fat for the British too.
Wasn't this sort of unfair taxation by the British the sort of thing that prompted bloody revolution in the US a few hundred years ago?
What makes you think things are going to go differently this time?
The author, as such, appears to have slept through the last 30 years, in which the original Macintosh established the desktop metaphors Microsoft poorly reimplemented and Linux re-re-implemented many many times over.
Why do you think everyone uses this metaphor? Is it because it was so damned brilliant that we just had to have it for ourselves?
No.
It's because it's an obvious way to deal with human beings from a two dimensional screen. Break it into a limitless number of arbitrary resizeable subscreens, give them a pointing device. Gee, that's really tough to come up with by yourself... not like anyone who sat down and thought about it wouldn't come to the same basic conclusion.
Ever used Yast, Aptitude or URPMI much ? They are kinda like download.com and tucows are for windows users, except that without crap or rigmarole as you put it.
Yes, but is clicking an email going to fire up Aptitude and install the emailed malware?