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DOJ Doesn't Like the Idea of A Copyright Czar

sconeu writes "Seems as if the DOJ is not particularly happy about HR 4729, the 'Copyright Czar' bill. The Deputy AG told Congress that the current structure works quite effectively. 'Panel members also expressed concern over Section 104 of the bill, which would allow a copyright owner to collect statutory damages for each copyrighted work that is stolen. Detractors fear that this provision could result in protracted lawsuits ... Section 104, however, would penalize criminals on a per-song basis, so if someone pirated a motion picture soundtrack that had songs from 12 different artists, the pirate would be charged with 12 separate offenses and be subject to exorbitant fees.'"

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  1. What does "stolen" mean? by Mesa+MIke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > ... would allow a copyright owner to collect statutory > damages for each copyrighted work that is stolen. So if I buy a Metallica CD, and someone swipes it, Metallica gets the money when the thief is caught? Bizarre.

    1. Re:What does "stolen" mean? by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, of course not.

      The RIAA gets the money. Metallica doesn't see a penny.

    2. Re:What does "stolen" mean? by oahazmatt · · Score: 1

      So if I buy a Metallica CD, and someone swipes it, Metallica gets the money when the thief is caught? Bizarre.
      I feel that, if at all possible, the rules would be re-written in such a way where in that situation, you would be found at fault for all infringement as you, the "owner" of the music failed to keep it from being pirated.

      If the RIAA is attempting to collect damages from secondary piracy that originally resulted from sharing the file even once, I fear they would do it with physical media if at all possible.
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    3. Re:What does "stolen" mean? by sexconker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Surely you mean, "you as the "licensee" of the music".

    4. Re:What does "stolen" mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the RIAA doesn't get any money either. Or if they do, it's indirectly, the same way as Metallica does (Metallica receives an advance against royalties, the royalties then get used to pay back that advance.)

      The RIAA provides services to various music publishers. It certainly doesn't receive money from copyright infringement suits.

    5. Re:What does "stolen" mean? by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 0, Redundant

      *Whooosh*

    6. Re:What does "stolen" mean? by cduffy · · Score: 3, Informative

      The RIAA provides services to various music publishers. It certainly doesn't receive money from copyright infringement suits.
      Yes, it does. Money from copyright infringement suits run by the RIAA are used, by agreement of the labels, entirely to fund the RIAA's copyright enforcement efforts. That said, those efforts -- even the legal ones standing alone -- cost much, much more than they raise.
    7. Re:What does "stolen" mean? by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      What does "stolen" mean?

      Anything that the guy with the gun says it means. I hope you don't have a problem with that because that's just the way things are. Nobody here can agree on the meaning what with all the arguments I see amongst you all. So the one with the biggest gun wins. Very simple. Might makes right. Any questions?

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    8. Re:What does "stolen" mean? by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      We'll know the American public has been completely pwn3d by the RIAA when the statutory penalties for making an unauthorized copy of a song exceed the real-world penalties for physically stealing a CD containing the same song from a store. Oh, wait a minute... um... er... nevermind.

    9. Re:What does "stolen" mean? by bit01 · · Score: 1

      That said, those efforts -- even the legal ones standing alone -- cost much, much more than they raise.

      Methinks some typical hollywood accounting is going on here.

      They wouldn't do it unless it was worth their while, even if the "loss reduction" scare tactics are all they're profiting from.

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    10. Re:What does "stolen" mean? by cduffy · · Score: 1

      It's worth their while because the labels pay for it, and it's fine employment for lots of people in the meantime. Doesn't make it any less of a money-losing operation.

    11. Re:What does "stolen" mean? by tubapro12 · · Score: 1

      But the ascribed situation involves a physically stolen work, not a pirated copy. It was a wordplay on the summary say the proposed penalty would apply to stolen works.

    12. Re:What does "stolen" mean? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      So the one with the biggest gun wins. Very simple. Might makes right. Any questions?

      No... the one no one is aiming a gun at wins. If someone's aiming at you, you are already dead.

      You think it's cause your nation is tough, but it's not. It's because it takes a little while to reconcile the real world we live in with the sweet propaganda of our childhood. Once everyone's psyche absorbs that, you're dead men walking.

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    13. Re:What does "stolen" mean? by rtb61 · · Score: 2
      Of course you forget the better bit. Under the US three strikes your out, three time copyright offenders can be sent to prison for life. So will the US build special prisons for the early teens lifers, or will they just hand them to the prison population gift wrapped.

      Perhaps they are balking at that idea and possibly considering the repercussions of the members of the RIAA and the MPAA gleefully sending Americas children to prison for copyright infringement.

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    14. Re:What does "stolen" mean? by bit01 · · Score: 1

      That's my point. They're very good at "losing" money on every song they make make while still laughing all the way to the bank.

      The RIAA may, as an organisation, may technically be losing money, but that says little about much money the RIAA's member companies are making from the RIAA's activities.

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    15. Re:What does "stolen" mean? by cduffy · · Score: 1

      The RIAA may, as an organization, may technically be losing money, but that says little about much money the RIAA's member companies are making from the RIAA's activities.
      Other way 'round: The RIAA's employees are making money, but only because the RIAA's member companies are paying their expenses. The member companies are having the RIAA conduct this program on their behalves in an attempt to defend their traditional business model, not because it's a sensible proposition -- indeed, one label dropped out of the program not long ago because of the expense. (I'm trying to find a link on that, and having some trouble; my google-fu is flagging -- but see the testimony of Jennifer Pariser in Capitol Records v. Jammie Thomas re general unprofitability of the program in and of itself).

      As for why any business would do this if it is in fact unprofitable, the answer is the same reason any rational entity makes any unprofitable decision: Imperfect information. In the case of your linked article, the band doesn't know how the label they sign with does the accounting -- otherwise, they would have made the rational decision and opted to find some other way to produce and distribute their music. The labels are good at their scam, but they don't have perfect information either -- and if they think they can staunch illegal file sharing by paying the RIAA to file John Doe suits and redirect them against whomever happened to hold an IP address at a given time... well, that's where they'll put their money. Doesn't mean that it's actually a profitable decision to make, though -- and indeed, the trends on illegal file sharing over the time they've been running the program aren't supportive of its effectiveness at making copyrighted content harder to come by illegitimately.
  2. (Obligatory) In Soviet Russia by Thiago+Tomei · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Song downloads YOU!!!

  3. All Pau... by quickpick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I gotta be honest, I was at best buy and I didn't see any particular movie or CD that interested me and I had a $5 off coupon to spend. Movie, music, and TV executives take note: I'm done. You can keep your ball and play by your rules, but I'm going to go home and do something constructive, like build a book shelf, or read a book, and maybe stop, look up at this beautiful world we live in and decide I don't need your crap to enjoy life.

    1. Re:All Pau... by the_humeister · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's fine, they've captured the attention of the other 90% of the US population. Personally, I also have better things to do as well.

    2. Re:All Pau... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wasn't this sort of unfair taxation by the British the sort of thing that prompted bloody revolution in the US a few hundred years ago?

      What makes you think things are going to go differently this time?

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    3. Re:All Pau... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A few hundred years ago life was hard. Now, life is fat. That is why things will go differently this time.

    4. Re:All Pau... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      Life was fat for the British too.

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    5. Re:All Pau... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      read a book Enjoy it while you still can, this copyright-lobby will get to books too.
    6. Re:All Pau... by iknownuttin · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I was at best buy and I didn't see any particular movie or CD that interested me and I had a $5 off coupon to spend.

      I don't shop at best buy (or anywhere else that demands to see my receipt: ComUSA, Costco, Mars Music, etc.. I don't care what their reasons are.) but I can only imagine that they stock their shelves for the mainstream stuff.

      Personally, I've given up on pop music. I've developed a fondness for the classics: Mozart, Bach, those guys: Not the Stones or Beatles. Granted, I still enjoy a good tune on the radio, but actually acquire a pop CD? I haven't done that in over ten years. The classics are less than $10 as long as you buy the generic recording by some philharmonic somewhere. Now, if you see a good looking person on the cover with a name, then you'll pay the $18 for the damn thing - same composer, just a pretty person playing it. Even a Yo Yo Ma CD is more than the Joe Schmoe CD. You know what, I don't care if it's a celebrity musician or not - I can't tell the difference. And considering all of the talented folks in the World, I don't see the point of paying $10 more for a CD because its played by a celebrity.

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    7. Re:All Pau... by twistedsymphony · · Score: 1

      I'm the same way... I had a $100 gift card to Best Buy... and did nothing with it for nearly 6 months because there wasn't a damn thing in the store that I wanted to buy.

      I eventually spent it when my house got hit with lightning and I needed to buy a new router.

      I've listening/viewing quite a few pod casts though. the only DVD media I buy these days are video games and the occasional Anime. TV, Movies and Music I crave new and interesting content but there's NOTHING out there that even remotely piques my interest... it's quite sad really.

      Though I'm sure my apathy towards these mediums is getting put on a chart somewhere that says I'm not buying because I'm "stealing" instead. Even if the *AA realizes that they're not really losing as much money towards piracy as they say they are it's in their best interests in parading those lines. Congress will just keep giving them more and more power to bully the consumers.

    8. Re:All Pau... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Me too... I've been dragging around a $50 Best Buy gift card for a couple years now. Every so often I go in there and try to spend it... and find either there's nothing I want, or even after the $50 off, whatever item is STILL way cheaper over at PC Club (where the store guys will actually know enough to help me out, too).

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    9. Re:All Pau... by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Hyperbole. There are plenty of good flicks. Granted, they are buried under tons of crap, but just because most movies are crap doesn't mean you can't find ONE that is worth $5 off. Same goes for music, btw.

    10. Re:All Pau... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I don't shop at best buy (or anywhere else that demands to see my receipt: ComUSA, Costco, Mars Music, etc.. I don't care what their reasons are.)

      But what is your reason? Aside from the club stores that you have an agreement with, you have no reason to show them a recipt. I walk out all the time without showing a receipt. The Best Buys I have been in never check receipts unless you are leaving with merchandise from some place other than the registers. Yes, if you check out, go back in the store with your bag then try to leave, they will probably ask to see your receipt, but even then there is nothing that requires you even acknowledge their existance. So, if the practice offends you, you have two things you can do about it, you can either pout and no one will ever notice, or you can continue to shop there and never show your recipt. Oh, and the CompUSA near me never ever checks receipts, and when I lived in Dallas back when there was only one CompUSA store (and it was a real crap-hole), they never checked receipts either. So perhaps your refusal to shop some places is based off bad information. And even if it is good information, you still don't have to show a receipt, ever.

    11. Re:All Pau... by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      The US looked at the British 'fat' and decided they could beat it.

      And now the definition of 'fat' has forever changed.
      Those Brits were bloody skinny in comparison. :)

    12. Re:All Pau... by the_humeister · · Score: 1

      That's why they didn't have the revolution back then...

    13. Re:All Pau... by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've developed a fondness for the classics: Mozart, Bach, those guys: Not the Stones or Beatles.

      Funny enough, I've always listened to classical music (and still do) and also listen to rock, but lately I've been on a Beatles kick. I've actually been thinking of doing a Slashdot journal post on the subject.

      The Beatles were *unbelievably* good. You really can't appreciate them until you sit and listen to all their albums. The sheer number of styles and genres they either touched on or flat-out invented is incredible. I can't imagine someone who likes rock, no matter what style, not finding *some* song they like. Hard Rock? Acid Rock? Pop? Bubblegum? Folk? Avante Garde? Orchestral? Epic? Soul? Blues? Psychedelic? Art? Progressive? Hell, even (pseudo)-Religious? They did it all.

      I know it's not news that Beatles were good (heh), but you don't really "get it" until you really listen to their stuff. And it still sounds fresh 40 years later. At this moment I'm actually listening to "Hey Bulldog", one of their obscure, throwaway songs (they actually knocked it out in one day for a video promo they had to do -- the video I linked to is actually footage of them creating the song, it's pretty cool), and it's a great song. The base line is incredibly rocking. Their throwaways are better than anything written these days.

      The Stones are a great band, if only for sheer volume of work and longevity, but nothing they did approached the Beatles at their best.

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      Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
    14. Re:All Pau... by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 0, Troll

      Movie, music, and TV executives, I just want you to know that the parent poster doesn't speak for everyone. Please don't stop making crappy music, tv, and movies just because of the original poster. Me and a lot of my friends love your crap, no matter what you put out. So keep putting it out in droves, because the thought of us reading a book or experiencing nature frightens and revolts us.

      Signed,
      The Public

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      Don't trust a bull's horn, a doberman's tooth, a runaway horse or me.
    15. Re:All Pau... by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

      best buy will price match others stores and they where able to match http://www.tigerdirect.com/ price on a item that cost $50 more at bestbuy.

    16. Re:All Pau... by Joe+Jay+Bee · · Score: 1

      I totally agree, and have another act you might want to have a good look at listening through: Pink Floyd. Yeah, I know, cliche, but they're one of the best bands ever to come out of the UK, or indeed anywhere.

      Porcupine Tree are excellent also, they've gone from a one-man band playing psychedelic/space rock to a progressive metal band while covering everything else in the middle over the years. Get "On The Sunday Of Life...", "Lightbulb Sun" (at least that one, easily one of my favourite albums - albeit one you will, sadly, have to pirate as it's been deleted (unless you wanna do what I did and go find it on eBay)) and "Fear of a Blank Planet" if nothing else. Very, very diverse act.

    17. Re:All Pau... by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

      I totally agree, and have another act you might want to have a good look at listening through: Pink Floyd. Yeah, I know, cliche, but they're one of the best bands ever to come out of the UK, or indeed anywhere.

      Pink Floyd happens to be one of my favorite bands. :) No doubt they are genius.

      Porcupine Tree are excellent...

      Haven't heard of them, but listening to the Wikipedia snippets, I like their sound. I'll have to check them out.

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    18. Re:All Pau... by Joe+Jay+Bee · · Score: 1

      Haven't heard of them

      Nobody ever has, they get bugger all in the way of promotion. I saw one of their videos on the TV *once* and that's about it. A shame, because they could be as big as Floyd or Radiohead now if they were given a bit of a push.

    19. Re:All Pau... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      They wouldn't do it for PC Club, tho... only major chain stores and newspaper ads, last I asked.

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    20. Re:All Pau... by Brad+Eleven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As much as I'd like to find a way to agree with you--I dislike the RIAA and their ilk--the answer is no.

      The unfair taxation which fomented the American Revolution was judged to be preventing merchants from making a living. Add to that the insult of excluding British merchants from the taxes and tariffs, and you've got a revolt.

      The RIAA's tactics aren't preventing anyone from making a living--at least, not directly. Like the 18th century British crown, they're woefully out of touch, but they're not so much exacting taxes and tariffs as they are filing ridiculous lawsuits based on wild accusations.

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    21. Re:All Pau... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with everything you said and stuff, but what about all that new Hi-def porn @ 1080p ?

    22. Re:All Pau... by Ziest · · Score: 1

      I have not bought a _NEW_ CD in 3 years. I only buy used CDs. The record companies have gotten their last dime out of me. It is time for them to die and if no one buys their crappy products they will die. It's actions like this that show how desperate they are. The record companies are seeing their sales dropping, they look down the road and they don't see things improving. They have convinced themselves that piracy is the cause of all their woes. Not the fact that they are selling crappy products and/or they are treating their customers like shit. Like I said, its' time for them to die.

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    23. Re:All Pau... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I haven't bought an album (vinyl or CD) since 1981 or 1982 or thereabouts. Well, okay, I did buy the Orleans "Still the One" CD in 1991 or so but that was for a gift so it doesn't count. Originally for me, it wasn't so much the music (back 70's stuff wasn't considered to be "classic") but purely a matter of money. $16-$20 a pop just seemed completely unreasonable, so I began to frequent used music stores and, like you say, I always enjoyed classical music so that saved a bundle there anyway.

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    24. Re:All Pau... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow, no shut the fuck up. more precisely, eat shit and die. how about you become less of a complete tool.

    25. Re:All Pau... by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

      Tiger has OUTLET STORES and the best buy by woodfield mall did they price match them.

    26. Re:All Pau... by masdog · · Score: 1

      You would be surprised at what you can find in the 2 for $10 bin at Walmart.

    27. Re:All Pau... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're another one of those fucking idiots I keep finding around here, aren't you?

    28. Re:All Pau... by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      The taxation that led to the American revolution was not unfair. The British had been fighting the French in Canada and preventing them taking over the land occupied by the American settlers. When they (quite reasonably) asked for some taxes to help pay for this defense, the settlers got all arsey about it and refused to pay. At which point, the French decided the best way to hurt the British, was to help foment a revolution. Quite how Britain came out to be the villain in all this is a mystery to me, considering that we pretty much supplied the manpower, transport and money to set up the colony in the first place.
      What would be the state of industry today, if when the venture capitalists asked for their money back when a company started making profit, were told to get fucked ?

    29. Re:All Pau... by vertinox · · Score: 1

      The RIAA's tactics aren't preventing anyone from making a living--at least, not directly.

      It could be said that because of the RIAA some musicians are unable to make a living because they do not conform the the RIAAs standards and the artificial industry environment the RIAA has created.

      I mean, would there be a better world for independent musicians if the RIAA wasn't around?

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      -Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
    30. Re:All Pau... by porcupine8 · · Score: 1
      or anywhere else that demands to see my receipt

      I guess Target is doing this because of added holiday traffic. My husband and I went there last weekend and bought a bunch of toys for Toys for Tots. Their security guard asked to see my receipt, and I smiled and kinda waved it in his general direction and said "Sure, it's right here!" on my way out. He "demanded" again, and when I didn't slow down he actually got on his little walkie-talkie! We heard him say something to the effect of "...a customer that won't show me her receipt. The lady in the brown coat."

      After we got back to the car, we were laughing about it. Who was he calling? His backup? He's the Target security guy! His backup is busy stocking DVDs! At least at Best Buy when they ask to see my receipt and I say "No thank you!" and keep walking, they generally just give up. (I didn't say "No thank you" in this case b/c I happened to have the receipt in the hand that was nearest the guard.)

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    31. Re:All Pau... by Brad+Eleven · · Score: 1
      On the contrary: The Crown very nearly bankrupted itself funding the ill-conceived and poorly managed French-Indian War, aka the Seven Year War. The presumption was--and still is--that governments can carry massive debt because it can always be recovered by taxation.

      The hole in this logic is that the citizens will support the taxation, in terms of means--and will tolerate the increasing taxation to support causes with which they do not agree, or at least feel represented.

      It's simplistic to assert that the French fomented the revolution. Yes, France and Britain had long been at odds, and it is reasonable that the French were jealous of the British control of colonies. Recall that Franklin, among others, had long since consorted with the French. While France may have influenced the colonial governments to favorably consider revolution, the roots of the revolt were the interruption of commerce by the Crown to replenish its Treasury.

      As for the unfairness of the taxation (and tariffs), the problem was not so much the amount as it was poor excuse for representation in the Parliament. Adding insult to injury was the blatant cronyism displayed by George III--or at least, by his administration. The tea tariffs are the best example: Colonial merchants were required to stop at British ports to have their shipments inspected and tariffs levied. Even if the security had prevented loss by theft or extortion, this stop delayed the shipments enough to affect their freshness. Meanwhile, the East India Tea Company paid no taxes or tariffs, and sailed directly to the colonies to deliver cheaper and fresher tea--by a factor of two.

      For other inflammatory taxes and tariffs, see sugar, paper, and glass--and the infamous Stamp Act.

      Despite the volumes of ideology about freedom and patriotism composed during this time, it was all about the money.

      What would be the state of industry today, if when the venture capitalists asked for their money back when a company started making profit, were told to get fucked ?


      In a shambles, of course. You're very conveniently leaving out the role of government, which brings us back round to the main subject: Government involvement in the recording industry's protectionist racket.

      Venture capitalism has nothing to do with colonialism, unless you presume and approve of venture capitalists using political influence as a means to the end of making a profit.

      Leaving government out of it, VCs that bleed their profitable assets to fund their failing assets usually fail completely. It's far wiser to dump the failing asset.

      The irony is that Britain lost the war, but gained a very important alliance. Why do you suppose that the world's standard currency transferred so smoothly from the Pound to the Dollar as the Pound began to fail?

      Comparisons to present governments and financial systems are left as an exercise to the reader.
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  4. It this passes... by tgatliff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It will be a huge turn for the federal government in US history. Meaning, this is a blantant example of politicians wanting to use the federal government resources to help primarily large businesses maximize and enforce their revenues. Piracy, like it or not, provides a market balance where in many industries it did not exist before, and most of the politicians know this.

    1. Re:It this passes... by Telvin_3d · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, I doubt that many of the politicians DO know that. How many congressmen or senators do you think have time (not ot mention inclination) to lurk on Boing Boing or slashdot? How many have ever swung by PirateBay to grab something not available at their local box store? haw many watch John Stewart four times a week?

      I am sure that many of the people that provide their information and shape their policies know this, but I also doubt they are telling.

    2. Re:It this passes... by KillerCow · · Score: 1, Troll

      politicians wanting to use the federal government resources to help primarily large businesses


      Welcome to fascist America.
    3. Re:It this passes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      This bill was introduced by the House Committee on the Judiciary: Courts, the Internet, and Intellectual Property

      California has 53 reps. The committee has 6 of those, including the chair Howard Berman.
      Florida has 25 reps. The committee has 3 of these.
      9 of the 24 reps come from Florida (Disney) and California (Disney / Hollywood). Full list follows.

      CA=6
      FL=3
      NC=2
      OH=2
      VA=2
      TX=2
      WI=1
      GA=1
      IN=1
      NY=1
      TN=1
      UT=1
      MI=1

      Rep. Adam Schiff [D-CA]
      Rep. Anthony Weiner [D-NY]
      Rep. Betty Sutton [D-OH]
      Rep. Brad Sherman [D-CA]
      Rep. Christopher Cannon [R-UT]
      Rep. Darrell Issa [R-CA]
      Rep. Elton Gallegly [R-CA]
      Rep. Frederick Boucher [D-VA]
      Rep. Henry Johnson [D-GA]
      Rep. Howard Berman [D-CA]
      Rep. Howard Coble [R-NC]
      Rep. James Sensenbrenner [R-WI]
      Rep. John Conyers [D-MI]
      Rep. Lamar Smith [R-TX]
      Rep. Melvin Watt [D-NC]
      Rep. Mike Pence [R-IN]
      Rep. Ric Keller [R-FL]
      Rep. Robert Goodlatte [R-VA]
      Rep. Robert Wexler [D-FL]
      Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee [D-TX]
      Rep. Steve Cohen [D-TN]
      Rep. Steven Chabot [R-OH]
      Rep. Tom Feeney [R-FL]
      Rep. Zoe Lofgren [D-CA]

    4. Re:It this passes... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      haw many watch John Stewart four times a week?
      Well, I'm not sure how many watch John Stewart four times a week, but it would do a world of good if they would watch Jimmy Stewart once a week...
      Mr. Smith goes to Washington
      It's a Wonderful Life

      You Can't Take It With You

      Any of these three movies, if taken to heart, would make a world of difference if our Senators and Reps watched weekly.

      Well, so much for wishful thinking, now I'll put my Scintillating Robe of Cynicism +2 and my Tinfoil Hat of Protection from EMR +5 back on.
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      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
    5. Re:It this passes... by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 1

      It will be a huge turn for the federal government in US history.

      No, it'd be business as usual.

      Meaning, this is a blantant example of politicians wanting to use the federal government resources to help primarily large businesses maximize and enforce their revenues.

      Well, as I see it, that already holds true. If you're a small business, odds are good that you aren't doing extensive business. That means, if you go to the FBI to complain about already criminal copyright infringement, they'll likely not believe (or bother to do extensive research to verify) that the amount of infringement is monetary significant enough to justify an investigation--you do know there's a monetary losses barrier, right?

      Now, will a new czar change this? Not likely. Even if there were no monetary limit, those in power will go after the "high profile" cases to set an example--and that's because the DoJ/FBI realize there's no way they could go after everyone who is clearly infringing (ie, it's not through some asinine, fair use, or edge case). Of course, to prevent most "high profile" cases, you'd have to remove the ability of larger bodies (who through the investment of many people) to own a copyrighted work.

      Piracy, like it or not, provides a market balance where in many industries it did not exist before, and most of the politicians know this.

      Given that without those politicians piracy couldn't exist (because without copyright, there isn't piracy), I don't think they really care. Oh, and murder, like it or not, provides a market balance to the population size where it did not exist before, but I don't think that's a sound (or relevant) argument to making murder legal or more narrowly defining it to allow "market balance" to exist legally.

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    6. Re:It this passes... by Darby · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Congratulations!
      You were modded troll for the crime of actually knowing a definition.
      That's pretty funny ;-)

    7. Re:It this passes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      market balance my ass. Some people pirate everything, regardless how much they like it and how much they earn. they don't give a fuck about the market, they just think they wont get caught. don't dress piracy u[p as anything but what it is, cheap ass kids trying to get free stuff.

    8. Re:It this passes... by Sfing_ter · · Score: 1

      Jesus, that's what STAFFERS ARE FOR, well, at least some of the time.

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    9. Re:It this passes... by Sfing_ter · · Score: 1

      Really, what part of the RIAA is free market? In a free market, the RIAA would have been ditched a verly long time ago, because the technology to empower the artists to do all the creation on their own would have gotten to them a lot sooner without fucktards like the RIAA and MPAA quashing technical advances. Time for the Buggy whip makers to go the fuck away and die.

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    10. Re:It this passes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't believe it. Someone actually knows what "fascist" means!!!

      Everyone else, just keep believing it means "anything I don't like".

    11. Re:It this passes... by tgatliff · · Score: 1

      I also agree that making a sound argument for "balancing the population size" by murder is a bad concept. For one, it is not true because except for a slim few countries, which are in the African regions, no country has murder as a leading cause of death. Secondly, countless data backs up that murder has little to no effect in or modern world on population size.

      Piracy, on the other hand, is without a doubt the leading reason why Apple is able to sell music at $0.99 and sell individually songs rather than just selling in album format. Meaning, the threat of piracy is what made the music studios agree to this agreement which they would not have agreed to in the "pre-napster" days. The music studios agreed to this because they realized that if they set their price higher, all they would do is force more people to downloading instead, and that this behavior would remain longterm no matter what cost they set. Their hope was that over time as they "phased" people off illegal music downloading that they could eventually start to raise their prices for music with little or no effect on piracy. They were very short sighted in this approacch, however, because what they did not realize at the time was that Apple, which became the largest music retailer, would have very little incentive to agree to a price increase because their money is primarily made by selling hardware. This is basically where we are today and is also why the movie industry is desperately trying to stop the same thing from happening to them as well...

  5. The real reason for unhappiness by Applekid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The IP division works closely with the DOJ's cyber crime laboratory, so separating a copyright unit could fracture investigation More likely, then, is that those currently enpowered for enforcement don't want their power diluted. Makes perfect sense.
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    1. Re:The real reason for unhappiness by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Actually, in my original TFS, I had mentioned the "stepping on toes" aspect of the thing.

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    2. Re:The real reason for unhappiness by pravuil · · Score: 1

      Also it would complicate the whole process all around. Two departments, two conflicting POVs, all around it slows the whole process down not to mention what it would cost. While on one side it might help, on the other side enforcement can get awkward depending on how each side wants to act. No coordinated effort leads to slowing down the prosecution of any alleged copyright infringers.

    3. Re:The real reason for unhappiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or perhaps the Department of Justice, in the interest of justice, is telling Congress that limited resources shouldn't be further squandered on what should be private matters between the company and the infringer?

    4. Re:The real reason for unhappiness by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      they don't want a bunch of cases they can't win. Nobody wants corporate suits telling you how to enforce the law. This puts the Federal DOJ doing the equivalent of "mall cop" for one industry sector. There's already a branch dedicated to IP "crime" where it can be demonstrated that the actions are criminal, not civil matters. The DOJ already seems to agree that the civil cases of the famed "$250,000"(that red FBI screen we all love) per "infringement" meet the criteria of the existing copyright law, so the *IAA has already got all they're going to get from the DOJ.

      I think the backer of the change was hoping by waving the carrot of "seizures" free-for-all that they used in the "drug war" the DOJ would be all over it. The DOJ isn't really doing that well with the "drug war" and it's mostly localities that want the feds to assume the criminal cases (and court trials, lawyers, etc) while the local cops get to loot your house. That didn't really work out so well and they'd probably like to get OUT of the seizure business and definitely not be corporate lapdogs.

      The key thing to ask is will IP really be protected? If I find Microsoft guilty of stealing my IP, or Warner Brothers making my movie, can I have THEIR stuff seized? if not what's the point if it's not fair for everybody.

  6. Re:firt post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    This is what happens when 4chan goes down.

  7. Bottom Line by Stanistani · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Abuse of the court system to slam 'Intellectual Property' offenders benefits corporations.

    Taken past a certain point, though, it impairs the ability of the court system to be responsive, and brings massive costs to the agencies which have to support the infrastructure.

    We're getting to that point.

    1. Re:Bottom Line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say that as if an effective court system is useful for corporations. With ENRON/SCO/Insert_company_name_here becoming the norm, an incredibly slow and worthless court system is pure gold. More time to manipulate a questionable outcome equates to more money from pump-and-dump/outright fraud/Insert_standard_practice_here. And what's wrong with massive costs for the agencies which have to support the infrastructure? The agencies which support the infrastructure are supported by taxpayers (read not corporations).

      So what's the problem? Unless you assume that the court system exists for the good of the people then it's all peaches and cream.

  8. Pointless by subl33t · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The American drug Czars have done soooo well haven't they? A copyright Czar is SURE to end all copyright violations!

    Yanks: DO something about your electoral system! It's time to move back to Democracy from Corporate Oligarchy.

    1. Re:Pointless by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      Yanks: DO something about your electoral system! It's time to move back to Democracy from Corporate Oligarchy.

      Person who refers to Americans(ie People from the United States of) as "Yanks" read about the U.S. constitution and the Federalist Papers we were never a democracy, instead a Federal Republic.

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    2. Re:Pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It's time to move back to Democracy from Corporate Oligarchy.

      It has been time for a long time. The reason few Americans are interested seems to be a combination of ignorance and apathy (generally rooted in sloth or cynicism).

      I have met many people who are completely ignorant of the state-of-affairs in the war for digital freedom. They do not know that the *AA are blanketing the country with lawsuits, that the *AA think it is illegal for you to rip your CD to your Ipod, or that laws like the DMCA are depriving them of longstanding rights they used to have over their own hardware. They, therefore, have little incentive to get up and do something.

      Most of the ones who DO know, feel that lawmaking is for lawmakers....let the politicians work all that out...it's what they are paid for (sloth). Others believe that there is no point in taking action, because the corporate interests already own the government and as such their individual efforts will be harmful to themselves and ultimately futile (cynicism).

      So, your command to get up and do something is largely falling on disinterested ears.

      If you actually want to see some action, you may have to think more creatively. Posting on slashdot ain't going to cut it.

    3. Re:Pointless by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yanks: DO something about your electoral system! It's time to move back to Democracy from Corporate Oligarchy. As someone outside of the situation, what would suggest? Seriously, because we seem to have no flippin' idea. None at all. Our elections have become fixed. Our politicians are totally corrupt. They've taken away all our rights and taxed us to death.

      The last time this happened, we dumped a bunch of tea in Boston Harbor and told King George to go get fscked. Then we started shooting British soldiers.

    4. Re:Pointless by sexconker · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can totally see a bunch of angry nerds at the docks, raiding a shipment of CDs and DVDs fresh from China, and dumping them into the ocean.

    5. Re:Pointless by EricTheMad · · Score: 1

      I can totally see a bunch of angry nerds at the docks, raiding a shipment of CDs and DVDs fresh from China, and dumping them into the ocean. And then being sued by environmentalists for polluting the ocean.
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    6. Re:Pointless by Copperfield · · Score: 0

      We have never been a democracy. I suspect you don't live in one either. Democracy does not solve problems like this. Only high powered rifles do.

    7. Re:Pointless by PolarBearFire · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That would actually parallel the Boston Tea Party more than you think. Little known fact: The Tea dumped in the Boston Tea was also from China.

    8. Re:Pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Person who refers to Americans(ie People from the United States of) as "Yanks" read about the U.S. constitution and the Federalist Papers we were never a democracy, instead a Federal Republic.


      Then perhaps you should stop advertising your 'federal republicanism' as 'democracy'.

      Talk about 'bait and switch'. Sheesh.
    9. Re:Pointless by Darby · · Score: 1

      As someone outside of the situation, what would suggest? Seriously, because we seem to have no flippin' idea. None at all. Our elections have become fixed. Our politicians are totally corrupt. They've taken away all our rights and taxed us to death.

      The last time this happened, we dumped a bunch of tea in Boston Harbor and told King George to go get fscked. Then we started shooting British soldiers.


      It's simple. We *need* to start shooting politicians. All of the other boxes have failed completely. The ammo box is the only one left.

    10. Re:Pointless by jdjbuffalo · · Score: 1

      See sig for recommendations. Hint, the reason why we can't figure out what to do next is because we don't have any boxes left and we're wearily staring at that last box and asking ourselves if we really want to pick it up.

      I really hope we find a way out but the evidence recently seems indicate that we may be on a road with no turns.

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    11. Re:Pointless by subl33t · · Score: 1

      (OK, Republic/Democracy - both representative governments)

      What can you do?

      Stop voting for Republocrats - you have been conned into playing a two-party shell game.

      Support your local independents. Aren't any, don't like 'em? Then become one.

      Hell, vote Green, vote Libertarian, vote for Nader even; stop letting the powers that be frighten you into voting for anyone else but them. Take EVERYTHING the media shoves at you with a grain of salt.

      That should be enough to get started.

    12. Re:Pointless by ashridah · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't the appropriate symbolism to be to toss the cds and dvds into the worlds biggest microwave and have some kind of spectacular lightshow?

      Although that would be far more harmful than tossing it into the river, given the magic smoke that'd get released in epic proportions. hm.

    13. Re:Pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need to ban corporate lobbying. Hear me out.

      Organizations, be it government bureacracy, corporation, or labor union, once brought into existence, behave like lifeform and do their best to preserve their survival, their original purpose (i.e., the good of the people) become second/non-issue. How often have you seen such organization pack it up and pull its own cord because their job was done? Allowing these to exert so much influence on the way we govern ourselves is a lunacy. Don't get me wrong. I don't have qualms with lobbying BY REAL PEOPLE. Let the Bill Gates and Warren Buffets of this country lobby their hearts out for the super rich - at least they are real people and citizen of the country, and they, being real people, have humane qualities, unlike these soul-less organizations. Corporations and unions are simply INSTRUMENTS of economy and should not be allowed to influence so heavily the way we decide to govern ourselves and live.

      Take RIAA. The recording industry, as it stands, should either re-invent themselves or die - they, in the current form, do good neither to the music producers nor the consumers. But they are there screwing good number of people on both sides. They are preserving their own existence, and they do that by making up bogus reasons for their existence.

      Save our democracy from these alien lifeforms - ban corporate lobbying.

    14. Re:Pointless by jayp00001 · · Score: 1

      The problem isn't the system, we have alternative candidates and folks that would, if elected, fight these sorts of things. The problem is that the voting public is either too bent on their own greed/liberal socialistic ethics ("our guy brought home our share of federal money he's great) or uncaring to see what their legislators are up to and think that they are doing a great job because the legislators said so.

    15. Re:Pointless by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      Then perhaps you should stop advertising your 'federal republicanism' as 'democracy'. Talk about 'bait and switch'. Sheesh.
      I'll get right on that after I convince the Democratic People's Republic of Korea to change their name.

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    16. Re:Pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wish we could, my friend. Unfortunately that would some how require the outlawing of lobbying groups. Which would, of course, be impossible. Any politician supporting such an effort would never see the light of day again. I do believe we are now well being the point of no return. It would quite literally take an act of God to make any significant impact on the structure of our political system. Our founding fathers must be rolling in their graves.

    17. Re:Pointless by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      Someone needs to concoct some excuse and validation for a suit of "criminal legislation" and "shameless graft" we can charge these people with.

    18. Re:Pointless by LandruBek · · Score: 1

      Actually the electoral system per se is complicated but not so bad -- not yet at least, while the electronic voting machines have not yet become entrenched. The problem is corruption. The politicians would be less corrupt if we citizens held their feet more to the fire. But we don't, so the rot gallops along. I do what I can.

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  9. These people need to get real by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Copyright infringement is a civil offence. Nuff said.

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    1. Re:These people need to get real by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Informative
      Actually, some copyright infringement has been criminalized since 1897.

      Here's what it consisted of: (I have put the relevant bits in bold)

      An amendatory act relating to the remedies for unauthorized public performance of dramatic and musical compositions

      AN ACT to amend title sixty, chapter three, of the Revised Statutes relating to copyrights. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That section forty-nine hundred and sixty-six of the Revised Statutes be, and the same is hereby, amended so as to read as follows:

      ''SEC. 4966. Any person publicly performing or representing any dramatic or musical composition for which a copyright has been obtained, without the consent of the proprietor of said dramatic or musical composition, or his heirs or assigns, shall be liable for damages therefor, such damages in all cases to be assessed at such sum, not less than one hundred dollars for the first and fifty dollars for every subsequent performance, as to the court shall appear to be just. If the unlawful performance and representation be willful and for profit, such person or persons shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction be imprisoned for a period not exceeding one year. Any injunction that may be granted upon hearing after notice to the defendant by any circuit court of the United States, or by a judge thereof, restraining and enjoining the performance or representation of any such dramatic or musical composition may be served on the parties against whom such injunction may be granted anywhere in the United States, and shall be operative and may be enforced by proceedings to punish for contempt or otherwise by any other circuit court or judge in the United States; but the defendants in said action, or any or either of them, may make a motion in any other circuit in which he or they may be engaged in performing or representing said dramatic or musical composition to dissolve or set aside the said injunction upon such reasonable notice to the plaintiff as the circuit court or the judge before whom said motion shall be made shall deem proper; service of said motion to be made on the plaintiff in person or on his attorneys in the action. The circuit courts or judges thereof shall have jurisdiction to enforce said injunction and to hear and determine a motion to dissolve the same, as herein provided, as fully as if the action were pending or brought in the circuit in which said motion is made.''

      ''The clerk of the court, or judge granting the injunction, shall, when required to do so by the court hearing the application to dissolve or enforce said injunction, transmit without delay to said court a certified copy of all the papers on which the said injunction was granted that are on file in his office.''

      [29 Stat. 481 (Jan. 6, 1897)]


      Now it is worth noting that back then, not all infringements were criminal; nor has this ever been the case, and it even won't be under the recent bill. But the penalties have expanded over the years, and what constitutes criminal infringement has expanded as well.
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  10. Who Else by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Nearly everyone else isn't happy about it either, so what's new?

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  11. Re:firt post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like people like you... keep up the good work. It always brings a smile to my face when I see this type of post!!

  12. Check and balances by techpawn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We already have laws that punish real bootlegging pirates. Walk down the street in most major metropolitan areas and you see people making money off other peoples hard work. Would those people be charged with both the original crime AND a crime for EACH of the copyrights they violated to sell a five dollar version of a 20 dollar RIAA CD?

    This isn't a bill written to make the constituents happy... I'm glad the DOJ is doing more than following along.

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    1. Re:Check and balances by pravuil · · Score: 1

      Walk down the street in most major metropolitan areas and you see people making money off other peoples hard work.

      you forgot about the flea markets.

      This isn't a bill written to make the constituents happy... I'm glad the DOJ is doing more than following along.

      Goes to show that regardless of how much money you have, if you put responsibility of enforcement on a Democratic Government, the businesses have to live by that government's limitation.
  13. With the way this country is going... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 3, Funny

    We're going to end up with a "Czar Czar". Last thing we need is more bureaucrats with dictatorial titles.

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    1. Re:With the way this country is going... by Shikaku · · Score: 2, Funny

      And then America is Soviet Russia.

    2. Re:With the way this country is going... by Ambiguous+Puzuma · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fortunately, the RIAA has nothing to do with the Czar Czar.

    3. Re:With the way this country is going... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      But when he's overthrown by Czar Bolsheviks it's just going to be confusing.

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    4. Re:With the way this country is going... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I think Ms. Gabor might have something to say about that. I hear her lawyers are very well paid.

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  14. What a waste by m4g02 · · Score: 1

    12 separate offenses? What a waste of money and work force, this will become a huge overhead for the legal system, and a costly one, the American government should be more concerned in getting ahead of China than in suing their citizens a hundred time for a simple crime. What a waste of resources.

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    1. Re:What a waste by QCompson · · Score: 1

      12 separate offenses? What a waste of money and work force, this will become a huge overhead for the legal system, and a costly one, the American government should be more concerned in getting ahead of China than in suing their citizens a hundred time for a simple crime. What a waste of resources.
      I completely agree, criminalizing the possession of small amounts of drugs is a big waste of time and resources, and is a huge overhead for the legal system... oh wait, we're on a different subject now, aren't we?

      It never stopped them before, and it won't stop them now.
    2. Re:What a waste by smurgy · · Score: 0

      the American government should be more concerned in getting ahead of China than in suing their citizens a hundred time for a simple crime.

      Please mod down, this is a style of political argument that is absolutely unproductive. It posits an urgent political issue which has no bearing on, or relation to the issue at hand. The wings of the US government administering foreign and trade relations have nothing to do with the DOJ administering internal civil cases.

      One can prove any political point from this argument. Let's take the basic form:

      "the American government should be more concerned in getting ahead of China than in X"

      and see a few of examples

      the American government should be more concerned in getting ahead of China than in preventing child molesters from preying on their victims.

      the American government should be more concerned in getting ahead of China than in protecting endangered wildlife.

      and so on.

      This particular issue may be right or wrong (and while it's an obvious slashdot hotbutton it's a proposal that hasn't yet been passed or played out) but any argument that sees the task of government as putting one single issue ahead of all others rather than managing the complexities of a very complex world has no place in a discussion board for people who are presumably of a higher level of intelligence.

      Once more, mod down.

    3. Re:What a waste by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      12 separate offenses? What a waste of money and work force, this will become a huge overhead for the legal system, and a costly one...


      Not as much as you think. You seem to be assuming that these 12 offenses will require 12 separate trials, with all the expense that would entail. Instead, they'll just do what they always do in such cases and try them on all 12 charges at once.

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    4. Re:What a waste by m4g02 · · Score: 1

      I see, I admit being an ignorant on how the US legal system works :)

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    5. Re:What a waste by m4g02 · · Score: 1

      Yes sir yes! As you are the one dictating orders here I will moderate myself down to hell.
      It was just a saying, th idea of my comment is that instead of spending so much time, money and work suing, and dealing which such claims, the US should work on keeping its economy the best in the world, and prolonging its status as the only super power. It was an advice, and a good one, but do whatever you want, I'm fine in another country.

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    6. Re:What a waste by smurgy · · Score: 0

      Firstly, I'm not dictating I'm requesting, and I was doing so to the moderators not to you. I'm sorry if you feel offended by my expressing an opinion about your opinion, but that is the risk you take.

      Secondly your argument is not only specious as I described above, it begs the question as to whether the US being a superpower is beneficial to either to US citizens or to the world.

      Thirdly I question whether it has the "best" economy - could you please define your terms (what's best - most rich people? highest GDP?) and provide sources not just bombast.

      Fourthly I'm not from the USA myself, so I'm not in a position to take your "advice".

      Fifthly only an egotist would think that posting to slashdot is the same thing as providing advice to the US government. You're someone sitting at a computer, not Henry Kissinger.

    7. Re:What a waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my, I've never met someone who could so ably be both right and idiotic simultaneously.

      By the way, we're allowed to beg questions here on Slashdot. This isn't Kissinger's conference room.

    8. Re:What a waste by m4g02 · · Score: 1

      I'm posting an advice to US citizens, not its corrupt government, and I do so because I have strong ties with them, professional and personal, and would be really sad if they continue in their downward spiral to failure.

      Maybe you are from China, maybe you are from Europe. I love Europe and I dislike China, I like my western culture and I would like it to prevail, I stand against war and stupid things like this bill, but fighting Asia economically to protect our values and way of life, that's something I will always feel urged to yell.

      If an European country becomes the next super power that's OK with me, but I really fear Asia is going to eat us, the western world, pretty soon, and as an engineer I know this over bureaucratic laws are destroying progress in the US; just look how fast China is building stuff and inverting in infrastructure while Americans are wasting time with this stuff.

      Anyway, as this is an open forum, and I have the right to free speech, I feel obligated to say you are an egocentric asshole who thinks too highly of himself. Thanks, bye.

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    9. Re:What a waste by smurgy · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, I don't expect you to necessarily understand this but you crossed the line between robust debate and abuse there. I'm sorry if I have caused any offence but if you feel a need to resort to calling people crude names you are lowering the tone of this open forum.

      I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. - Voltaire.

  15. Thanks by nunyadambinness · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Deputy AG told Congress that the current structure works quite effectively.


    ?????

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHHA
    BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Oh my god it hurts...

    BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
    1. Re:Thanks by Broken+scope · · Score: 1

      The real system does work for catching people who are mass producing bootlegs, you know the folks who are actually able to hurt respective industries in a noticeable fashion. Not the guys who sell bootlegs on the street or the guys who take the shaky camcorder into the theater, the real bootleggers. The issue is, there are alot of them, it takes time to take them down, with a small amount of starting cash its not hard to do it, and there are a lot of them in places where the law isn't that clear.

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    2. Re:Thanks by nunyadambinness · · Score: 1

      So it doesn't work. Thanks.

  16. Re:firt post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then register and spread the love :D

  17. Re:These people need to get real YEAH, MAYBE! by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Copyright infringement is a civil offence. Nuff said.

    Yeah, for now.

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  18. Translation... by R2.0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "We dont' want to be the MPAA's bitch; if Congress likes that kind of thing, great for them, but no agent or prosecutor is going to make their career chasing college students and grandmothers. They can do their own dirtywork - we're busy with terrorism and drugs."

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  19. Who's Word is Copyright Czar? by RobBebop · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who chose the wording "Copyright Czar"? That's akin to asking members of Congress to vote on killing puppies. No, they won't kill the puppies and they won't support a "Czar" of any kind.

    Captain Copyright, on the other hand, wearing a cape, a smile, and a costume that says "Don't steal MY music" would go over much better.

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    1. Re:Who's Word is Copyright Czar? by techpawn · · Score: 1

      they won't support a "Czar" of any kind.

      Like the Drug Czar or Defense Czar...? I don't support them but they exist.

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    2. Re:Who's Word is Copyright Czar? by aztektum · · Score: 1

      They aren't official titles. The "Drug Czar" is a nickname for the Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy.

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    3. Re:Who's Word is Copyright Czar? by kebes · · Score: 5, Informative

      Captain Copyright, on the other hand, wearing a cape, a smile, and a costume that says "Don't steal MY music" would go over much better.
      Well, it didn't go over too well in Canada.

      A "Captain Copyright" character was indeed used for awhile in Canada to promote "rights of artists." Not surprisingly, the character and comics supporting a "copyright maximalist" slant, making no mention of fair dealing (Canadian version of fair use). Furthermore, there were a few incidents where it was shown that the Captain Copyright website was, in fact, infringing copyright.

      Because of all the negative press, the character was withdrawn and the site shut down. So it looks like a cape-wearing copyright crusader is not long-lived. And luckily IP law will prevent anyone else from resurrecting that particular idea.
    4. Re:Who's Word is Copyright Czar? by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      Well, it didn't go over too well in Canada.

      I think he knew and was just going for irony (or at least a +5 Funny).

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    5. Re:Who's Word is Copyright Czar? by RobBebop · · Score: 1
      TFA:

      Judiciary Chairman John Conyers last week introduced H.R. 4279

      This is the same asshole who came out last week saying that the Sirius/XM Satellite radio merger was bad for consumers.

      Siri/XM has advertised lower prices and more choices if they merge. How can that be bad?

      It is clearer now. This "Judiciary Committee Chairman" is in bed with the traditional industry. If not directly, then indirectly.

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    6. Re:Who's Word is Copyright Czar? by ashridah · · Score: 1

      I don't know much about the merger in question, but usually the question *I* worry about when two media distribution companies merge is "Is this reducing the breadth of the opinion I have access to".

      This is why, in Australia, the government regulatory bodies repeatedly told Packer that he couldn't buy fairfax (or whoever it was, I forget the details) The problem was, it'd give him far FAR too much of a majority of the opinionated press, and the ability to control what people read in all the papers.

      Of course, this might not have been the case here, I don't know.

    7. Re:Who's Word is Copyright Czar? by djmoore · · Score: 1

      It's revealing that "czar" is even remotely an attractive label in some circles.

      I make a habit of reading "czar" as "fuehrer" whenever I see it. That brings things into a less romantic light.

      "Drug Fuehrer".

      "Energy Fuehrer".

      "Copyright Fuehrer".

      "Healthcare Fuehrer".

      "Education Fuehrer".

      "Diversity Fuehrer".

      "Climate Fuehrer."

      No, most of these don't exist--yet. But I think there's a lot of folks who want to see all of these, and more.

      May all fuehrers and their minions hang and die in the public square.

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    8. Re:Who's Word is Copyright Czar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Larry Craig in tights taking a wide stance on copyright violations.

    9. Re:Who's Word is Copyright Czar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you admittedly don't know much about a subject, you should perhaps educate yourself before weighing in on it. In this case the two American providers of satellite radio service, Sirius and XM, are bleeding cash with redundant offerings, trying to compete for a small consumer base. The US government lets oil giants merge comparatively fast and even lets News Corp take Dow Jones with lightning speed. The only reason why the Sirius-XM merger has been delayed for an historic 11 months is because the traditional radio industry hates the competition and wants to see the companies bankrupted.

  20. Did we discuss this yesterday? by JackMeyhoff · · Score: 1

    Did we discuss this yesterday?

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    1. Re:Did we discuss this yesterday? by Notquitecajun · · Score: 1

      And the day before that, and the day before that...

    2. Re:Did we discuss this yesterday? by LiENUS · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the discussion was copyrighted so they had to take it down.

  21. My Question by usul294 · · Score: 1

    How does one qualify to be the "Copyright Czar" ? RIAA/MPAA lawyer extraordinaire? Divine Right? Crony? Generic Pain in the Ass? Recent recipient of "Biggest Douche in the Universe"?

    1. Re:My Question by UncleTogie · · Score: 1

      Considering the last few administrations, the only apparent qualification for a high-level position is knowing a career politician.

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  22. Seperate offenses for what? by veganboyjosh · · Score: 1

    What about pirating a cd that includes cover a cover song? Would the pirate then be responsible to pay the original artist/label's royalties as well as the covering artist?

    I realize that very few artists own the rights to their own music--the artists that this bill would affect, anyway-- but where does it end? If someone pirates a movie that has product placement in it? Nike, Coca-cola, etc...can they sue, since the pirate didn't get their permission/comission?

    1. Re:Seperate offenses for what? by pimpimpim · · Score: 1
      Do advertisers get a commission when their product gets into a movie? In fact, you should get money from the company that did the product placement since you are watching their commercials.

      Just watch the latest "Miami Vice" movie. I never expected it to be a very good movie, just a simple piece of entertainment. Instead, I spent 30 minutes in the movie watching ads to see the 90-minute ad that came after it. Then wonder why movies make less money nowadays.

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    2. Re:Seperate offenses for what? by veganboyjosh · · Score: 1

      Ok, so there's no commission. But a pirate is reproducing a representation of the corporate product when they copy a movie, don't they?

  23. Heh by Cleon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the "We Don't Torture, but Oppose Anti-Torture Legislation" DOJ thinks a piece of legislation is a little too heavy-handed, Congress should damn well get the message that it's time to reconsider.

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    1. Re:Heh by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      So where is the section in this MAFIAA written legislation that defines copyright infringement as a water-boardable offense?

  24. The NET Act Made it Criminal (sometimes) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The NET ("No Electronic Theft") Act made copyright infringement criminal in some cases. It looks like it was intended to criminalize people trading copies of copyrighted works, because it made it criminal to infringe upon copyright if you were profiting from it. And then it added to the definition of "profiting" that you could be exchanging a copyrighted work in exchange for other copyrighted works.

    Mind you, IANAL, and the DoJ apparently has better things to do than go after low-level copyright infringers, it seems like congress wants to change that to help Hollywood.

    As for the DoJ, it sounds like they're against this primarily because they don't want to lose power. I never thought I'd be glad to see petty politics come into play, but I'm honestly glad and I agree with them that a copyright czar is a waste of time.

    But the DoJ is also sensible enough only to care about huge pirate rings selling bootleg copies, not Joe Infringer downloading at home. Hollywood hates that, obviously, but the DoJ has real work to do and I hope they keep doing it.

    Or do the politicians think that we won't blame them if the conviction rates for real crimes like homicide drop so that they can divert the DoJ's manpower to catch people who infringe upon copyrights at home? I'll sure as hell blame them if that happens.

    1. Re:The NET Act Made it Criminal (sometimes) by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Politicians don't think. There is no opportunity to think when you are on the greasy pole. If you stop the frantic climbing you slide down.

      Politician as a career should be banned.

      Politics as a degree course should be banned.

      Can everyone see the obscenity that is a "career politician". Originally politicians were people who had had experience, with life, work, industry etc. etc. & who came to politics later in life. Now you get spotty gits deciding, at age 3, to become a politician (because you get your picture in the paper lots & get lots of money) and it beats working.

      Terry Pratchett, in his four ecks book - can't remember the title - has politicians placed in jail immediately on election. Now, Slashdot, THAT'S "INSIGHTFUL". Sorry for shouting :-)

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    2. Re:The NET Act Made it Criminal (sometimes) by HappyEngineer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've long been in favor of a 12 year overall politician term limit. That would mean that a single person can never spend more than 12 years working as a politician. Preferably, the 12 years would come near the end of their lives so that they will have had a full life of experience working in some non-governmental capacity. Career politicians are a cancer.

      I'm also in favor of hiding politicians in boxes and forcing people to vote for them without knowing what they look like or sound like or what their name is. The ability to look and sound good seem to often be in opposition to the ability to think.

    3. Re:The NET Act Made it Criminal (sometimes) by QCompson · · Score: 1

      Mind you, IANAL, and the DoJ apparently has better things to do than go after low-level copyright infringers, it seems like congress wants to change that to help Hollywood...

      But the DoJ is also sensible enough only to care about huge pirate rings selling bootleg copies, not Joe Infringer downloading at home. Hollywood hates that, obviously, but the DoJ has real work to do and I hope they keep doing it.
      Wow, thanks for the info. Even if the DoJ has better things to do (I won't go as far as to deem them "sensible"), there's few things worse than making millions of people instant criminals, thus paving the way for selective enforcement whenever the powers-at-be feel like it.

      Plus, there's the obligitory forfeiture provision.

      Here's a link to this frightening law: http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/17-18red.htm
    4. Re:The NET Act Made it Criminal (sometimes) by Joe+Mucchiello · · Score: 1

      Better is no consecutive terms. If you are in office, you cannot run for any office until you've been out of office 2 years. If you are in office, you cannot receive money, for any reason, none. The only exception I'd make is for the Presidency they are already term/gift limited.

    5. Re:The NET Act Made it Criminal (sometimes) by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 1

      Absolutely, it's just natural that the people who would have to enforce this piece of crap don't like it. Unenforceable, arbitrary, hard to prove...need I go on?

      There ought to be a law against unenforceable legislation! Oh, wait...

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    6. Re:The NET Act Made it Criminal (sometimes) by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

      The Four Ecks book was (appropriately) named The Last Continent.

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    7. Re:The NET Act Made it Criminal (sometimes) by fredklein · · Score: 1

      Even better is making people do a 2-year term of Federal Service before they can vote or hold office.

    8. Re:The NET Act Made it Criminal (sometimes) by HappyEngineer · · Score: 1

      That's a good one. Perhaps they can be combined. A single politician is allowed at most 3 non-consecutive 4 year terms.

    9. Re:The NET Act Made it Criminal (sometimes) by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 1

      Thank you, much appreciated :-) I had really forgotten. {:^)

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    10. Re:The NET Act Made it Criminal (sometimes) by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 1

      Please politics out. I'm in the UK, so your presidential race has as much interest to me as a loogie on the toilet wall. OTOH, I quite fancy Courtney Cox :-)

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    11. Re:The NET Act Made it Criminal (sometimes) by jamstar7 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Better yet, two terms.

      One in office
      One in jail.
      No exceptions.

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    12. Re:The NET Act Made it Criminal (sometimes) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, two terms.

      One in office
      One in jail.
      No exceptions.
      To sweeten the deal, add to "One in office" free, unlimited hookers.

      Plus, to even things a bit, free, unlimited... uhhhh "sex" in "One in jail".
    13. Re:The NET Act Made it Criminal (sometimes) by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      Absolutely not. Indeed, I can't imagine much worse than that.

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  25. Nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gee, didn't the US help defeat the Nazis? I'm very confused.

    1. Re:Nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee, didn't the US help defeat the Nazis? I'm very confused.

      No. We were so jealous of Germany that we went over there and stole the Nazis from Germany. And then, we brought 'em back to the USA. Don't tell me you haven't noticed1?
    2. Re:Nazi by guabah · · Score: 1

      You mean like that guy that helped us win the race to the Moon

  26. Each blow in assault is not a seperate offence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How is it that copyright receives a higher standard of punishment than traditional crime. Maybe because the RIAA holds itself more important than people who really get hurt.

    If someone is assaulted they cannot prosecute the assailant for each punch/stab/whatever....

    They are entitled to fair protections but the system must make the redress fair as well. Each $2.99 song is a million dollars by their accounting. Now they want each instance to give them a retrial and more ability to punish the poor with larger threatened lawsuits. This is not trial by judge or jury anymore. They are fighting for trial by the inefficiency of our judicial system. They want to make the court system worse and more expensive while they use it as a hammer to win settlements - out of court. And who picks up the tab??? The country.

    Go back to the initial copyright as set out by the constitution. Remove the extensions and emphasize the benefits of a global distribution system that costs peanuts to maintain.

    1. Re:Each blow in assault is not a seperate offence by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 1

      It's a civil offense, not criminal. Likewise you can sue someone for beating you, and you reward will be related to how much damage was done. So yes, each punch would count.

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  27. Re:crybaby by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course, because ripping a DVD and putting it on your video iPod is stealing.

    It's not about stealing, dipshit. It's about choice.

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  28. "allowing for the seizure of equipment used to pi" by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    Conyers, meanwhile, shot down the notion that a provision allowing for the seizure of equipment used to pirate copyrighted goods would result in the collection of a family's general-purpose computer in a download case.

    Bill authors "carefully crafted the language to allow seizure only if the property was owned or predominantly controlled by the infringer,"


    And exactly what are the PC's in a household suspected of downloading?

    "I know the bill allows automobiles of speeders to be taken away, but it won't allow cops to take away the family car, only if the car was owned or predominantly controlled by the speeder"

    This guy needs to learn to at least make the double talk he uses to justify his police state bill believable. I doubt this would be passable even to a 5 year old.

    It reminds me of a recent speech by the RIAA blasting the "FAIR USE" act by claiming the DMCA "helped" to bring about digital mp3 player innovation.
    I doubt even the majority of congressmen are that clueless about what these things are. The EFF and rick boucher make sure to at least get that across.
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  29. when reality changes by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    you can dig in your heels and fight it tooth and nail, until reality passes you by

    or you can adapt gracefully, and keep right on swimming

    adapt, or die

    i mean these are some pretty fantastic death throes we are witnessing now

    riaa, mpaa: in 5 years i want to see shocktroopers on the street with congressionally mandated shoot to kill on sight orders for anyone caught singing christmas carols without prior authorization

    that's the logical progression of your denial

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    1. Re:when reality changes by hax0r_this · · Score: 1

      Troops on the streets have to get their orders from the executive branch, not the legislative one.

  30. This isn't Law, It's Business... by StickyWidget · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This really isn't an attempt to protect intellectual property, it's actually a very sophisticated attempt to create a new class of Lawyer Businessmen (ambulance chaser derivatives). Think about it:

    1. We have a new set of laws that proscribes MASSIVE penalties for intellectual property violations. People need to defend themselves from this new threat!
    2. We have tens of thousands of bored lawyers in this country, not to mention the ones graduating from college. They need money and swanky cars because they are Lawyers!
    3. We have an industry that wants to make money off of music. All music. Everywhere. They need people to go after these infringers!

    So, if these laws go into effect, we have two sets of lawyers, the Defenders and the Aggressors. The Defenders are primarily concerned with making money defending copyright infringer. If your max fine for violating copyright is around, say $50,000, wouldn't you rather spend $10,000 on a lawyer who guaranteed he would win, or your money back? Or if you are a business, wouldn't you shell out $150,000 for a lawyer to avoid the publicity and likely 1 Million in damages?

    Aggressors would be the ones who actively go after the infringers, and would basically be mercenaries under the employ of the MPAA or RIAA. Investigations would net infringers, which would be passed on to the Aggressors. Considering their take-home on a trial would be a portion of the damages awarded, they would file as many cases as possible. If a few get settled, so be it, but may would go through and they would collect.

    And here's the kicker, both Defenders and Aggressors have to serve the best interests of their client, which means settlement, and a lot of it. If a Defender manages to settle for $20k, he's just saved his client $30K. If an Aggressor settles for $20K, his client gets $20K free and clear on the ILLEGAL USE OF A SINGLE INFRINGEMENT without the hassle of a trial. Less attorney fees of course. If these guys file 30 cases like this a year, they are pulling back enough money to live on easily. If they build a firm around it, they have enough money to become tin gods.

    When are we going to learn that in the nation of Capitalism, nothing is a law, it's just another business opportunity? Once, a long time ago, lawyers were defenders of freedom and justice, providing a check against government corruption and abuses of power. While some still are, the majority are so in bed with the government they have batter on hand for pancakes in the morning.

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    1. Re:This isn't Law, It's Business... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, if they succeed in making music actually dangerous to possess (I mean, let's face it, even if you bought those tracks on your hard disk, if you can't prove it what are you going to do?) people are just going to stop listening to it. Frankly, that's something we were already doing even before Napster came along. Big studio music sales peaked a long time ago, and they just aren't willing to admit it and do what it takes to become part of the 21st century.

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    2. Re:This isn't Law, It's Business... by Raptoer · · Score: 1

      The real thing with this becomes apparent if you look at the date. Even though this bill has passed the house it still needs to go to the senate, then to the president. It has to get through all of this by the time senate adjourns, which is usually this time of year. However they have not adjourned yet as the senate majority is worried about President Bush putting in midnight judges (president nominates people to become federal judges which the senate must confirm/deny, if senate isn't there then they automatically become confirmed). Either way there isn't enough time for this to really become a bill, its a political maneuver to get votes and cash, nothing else.

      What this really is is a bill to say "Hey look! We're tough on crime and pirates!" it will not pass the senate before it adjourns which will put it back onto the bottom of the pile of a lot more important bills.

  31. The problem-nobody is waking up like they used to by plasmacutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Back in the 20's the christian right got the volstead act.

    Instead of curbing drinking, it criminalized everyone and resulted in the proliferation of outright poisonous liquor (things like formaldehyde in it), rampant organized crime, and rampant corruption.

    The interesting thing was.. the christian right ADMITTED THIS and congress repealed it.

    Now let's look at the nixon drug laws, which at the time were ostensibly designed to criminalize the protestors he hated. Drugs are still widely proliferated, but instead of being highly regulated, safer (granted they ARE kinda bad for you, but so is booze and tobacco), and taxed. Further, people would feel safer seeking treatment knowing they wouldn't be arrested.
    Instead of admitting their failure, the federal government continues to spend billions in a vietnam on our very shores and against our own people.

    Now theyre pulling the same damn thing with the DMCA.. the sad part is they continue to do this DESPITE the fact even record execs have outright admitted, at least between the RIAA's spin cycles, that p2p isn't going away, and the DMCA isn't helping.

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  32. Simpler times by stewbacca · · Score: 1

    Life was so much simpler when law enforcement restricted their efforts to catching criminals who made money from pirated wares. Unless I'm reselling the songs and movies I've downloaded for a profit, law enforcement is wasting their time coming after me. Bust the losers that sell pirated DVDs from the trunks of their cars and leave the soccer mom's who download pop singles alone.

  33. I know what you're saying... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but something like half of America is rural hicks who believe in Jesus and corporate property rights. Really, the people you met on your trips to NY and LA are not typical. It's 2007 and we still don't have national healthcare. Really.

    1. Re:I know what you're saying... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the other half are arrogant dickholes who believe Gaia is angry with us and must be appeased by confiscating all money and reducing technology to 19th century levels.

  34. Re:crybaby by Original+Replica · · Score: 2

    I thought it wasn't so much a matter of wanting free songs, as much as not finding any songs worth paying for. The same goes for most of the current crop of movies. To top that off I already get quite a bit of music and movies for free (or at least already paid for) with my cable/internet package.

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  35. what you said was true by circletimessquare · · Score: 1, Troll

    except for the hardcore highly addicting and highly inebriating (so that excludes nicotine) drugs like heorin and the opiates, methamphetamine, and cocaine

    marijuana should be legal, it's not worse than alcohol. lsd and psilocybin (magic mushrooms) should be legal: not addicting. of course you can't take that and drive

    but the highly addicting and highly addicting trinity of meth, crack, and the opiates, especially, must forever be fought in drug war

    simply because although all of the lessons about prohibition applied to these drugs as well, the effects of legalization of virally addictive substances is simply worse than prohibition

    see the diagram: illegality for the red, legality for everything else. the substances in the red have effects which are worse than all of the prohibition effects you can list

    the effects of easy viral addiction and the permanent waste that lays to lives (and freedoms: a drug addict is not free) means these substances must be permanently verboten, forever. in the name of freedom: freedom from the slavery of addiction

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    1. Re:what you said was true by Nazlfrag · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A free man makes his own choices. The effects of prohibition are organized crime and massive profits for the black marketeers who care nothing for their victims. We already have a system in place to distribute drugs just as potent, and often more potent than meth, crack and opiates. It's called prescription medication, and those drugs share the same problems of addiction and loss of freedom. Yet instead of receiving your drugs from a gangbanger and funding organized crime you are visiting a doctor who can help inform you about your situation, and get you in touch with counseling and rehabilitation services.

      The choice is simple, continue fighting a war against your own citizens or simply allow the people who already deal with powerful drugs the ability to control the situation. There is only one sane option, unfortunately we are far from arriving at it.

  36. DOJ Doesn't Like the Idea of A Copyright Czar... by snl2587 · · Score: 1

    ...and, coincidently, neither do most of us.

  37. Re:firt post by Fry-kun · · Score: 1

    I've got some mod points right now, but I'd like to point out to other mods that rating this reply "funny" might cause the users to look up the parent's url.
    Really with there was a "mod with comment" option... sigh...

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  38. I don't know what people are worried about by meeotch · · Score: 1

    Detractors fear that this provision could result in protracted lawsuits.

    ...I don't think it'll be an issue. The only entities with enough money to use the legal system to protect their God-given intellectual property from rampant immoral thievery are giant corporations - which are not only accustomed, but in fact designed to process enormous numbers of transactions on a daily basis. I'm sure they'll be willing to cooperate with the newly-formed Ministry of Copyright to streamline the process. Perhaps judgments could be entered in batches of several thousand at a time, then deducted directly from the offending citizen's tax refund? Though I suppose this would be hardly fair to the victimized corp, since it would lose all the potential interest not earned on that money while waiting for the IRS to process the refund. Much better to withhold damages from each citizen's paycheck, a la Social Security tax, and allow those who are innocent to claim it back at the end of the year. (Assuming they can prove their innocence, of course.)

    On a more serious note - perhaps we should all take a cue from Paul Anka: "Just don't look." (Or listen, or purchase.)

  39. Re:The problem-nobody is waking up like they used by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Back in the 20's the christian right got the volstead act."

    Applying the term "christian right" to a political movement before the 70's is like calling something a "genocide" that happened before WWII - it uses a term that didn't exist at the time of the event, not to describe it, but to leverage current emotional and intellectual trends to get the reaction the writer wishes.

    In other words, trolling.

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  40. Re:The problem-nobody is waking up like they used by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 1
    Drivers still speed. Does that mean that speed limits are invalid?
    Drivers continually run red lights and stop signs. Should localities take them all down?

    I'm not equating these acts to using p2p services, but saying that a law is or should be invalid because people don't want to follow it doesn't make a lot of sense.

  41. Re:Translation of Translation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We dont' want to be the MPAA's bitch; if Congress likes that kind of thing, great for them, but no agent or prosecutor is going to make their career chasing college students and grandmothers. They can do their own dirtywork - we're busy with terrorism and drugs."

    "We're busy busting college students for drugs and monitoring grandmothers because they might be terrorists."

  42. Re:The problem-nobody is waking up like they used by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    not true, the temperance movement was an extremeist christian movement. That qualifies as "christian right"

    as for genocide, did we forget about the incans, and the war against the north american indian tribes which left a mere remnant?

    both have been called genocide for a long time.

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  43. Re:The problem-nobody is waking up like they used by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    so far as speed limits, yes, and the stats used to justify them are also invalid, failing to take into account the inverse relationship between speed and age (people get slower as they get older).

    The autobahn has no speed limit and things are fine. It may be because people who go fast don't have to continually maintain a paranoid search for cops and can actually focus on the road

    no drivers don't continually run red lights and stop signs. Only an extreme minority do, as opposed to the number of people who speed or download from p2p networks.

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  44. Don't read too much into this by BobandMax · · Score: 1

    This is only about turf and jurisdiction. DOJ cares not one whit about your rights or wishes.

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  45. NO CAPES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > So it looks like a cape-wearing copyright crusader is not long-lived.

    didn't you see The Incredibles? remember what happened to superheros with capes!???

  46. Wouldn't it be cool if... by quickpick · · Score: 2, Funny

    RI/MPAA: "you can buy our content and it may or may not play in your player, no you can't get a refund if you opened it, no you can't pirate it onto your iPod, no you can't play it in public so close your car window..." Consumer: "Okay...I'm going to go do something else then." RI/MPAA: "You can't do that. You have to buy my stuff. You can buy multiple copies so you can play it on everything you have..." Consumer: "Nah, its okay...I'm kinda having fun bike riding with my kids and hearing the wind blowing and the trees rustling..." RI/MPAA: "We have a CD like that! See? look you can buy this CD and listen to the wind blowing and trees rustling..." Consumer: "No really, its okay. I'm enjoying spending time laughing and talking to friends." RI/MPAA: "well, you can go watch a movie with friends! but you have to buy a copy for each person..." Consumer: "hehe, its okay. We enjoy just talking about how our families are doing, reliving the past, and looking forward to the future." RI/MPAA: "ummm, you sure you don't want to play a video game or something?" Consumer: "Actually we're about to play a game of texas hold'em...you want to play?" RI/MPAA: "Sure! I have it for the 360, PC, PS3..." Consumer: "nah, I'm just screwing with you. Go play with your lawyer buddies, I'm sure they're going to be bored once all my friends get tired of your antics."

  47. Re:suck it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Way to fail.

  48. write your congressperson by DragonTHC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I write mine every time I read about one of these monstrosity bills before congress.

    She never writes back or calls, so I can only gather that I have no representation in congress.

    I'm informed about copyright issues. I wish my congressperson was.

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    They're using their grammar skills there.
  49. Re:The problem-nobody is waking up like they used by StopKoolaidPoliticsT · · Score: 1

    Psst, back then the Democrats were as much the party of christians as the Republicans were. It wasn't until the Civil Rights movement in the 60s (when the northern (especially northeastern) Democrats and southern Democrats hated each other more than the other party) followed Nixon's "Southern Strategy" that the southern christians switched to Republicanism and Democrats turned more secular.

    The Volstead Act was vetoed by Wilson but his veto was overridden by a supermajority in Congress(with dries in both parties outnumbering the wets by more than double). The 18th Amendment then passed and was ratified by every state except for Rhode Island.

    Anyway, the point is, there was no "christian right" then. Everyone, regardless of party, was generally more conservative on social issues back then. Calling all of those people "the christian right" is about as meaningful as saying all cars in America have driver's side gas tanks, ignoring that plenty of cars have passenger side tanks(since this is Slashdot and I haven't seen a car analogy on this story) since it doesn't fit your predetermined bias.

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    Stop Koolaid Politics
  50. How to Destroy Copyright Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1.) Create Your Own Copyrighted Content (doesn't matter how good it is, how much it sux, how short or how long)
    2.) Name your Files/Sell Your Files on iTunes Clones
    3.) Track the IP Addresses in Torrents
    4.) Sue the Big Name Copyright Police Enforcers who download/upload your copyrighted content files
    5.) Pocket the Net Assets of the RIAA/MPAA for $150,000 per infringement

    This will turn the internet into a legal minefield. The courts will be swamped. Billion dollar lawsuit headlines will follow. You just might be the lucky person who wins the multi-billion dollar lottery suit against the RIAA/MPAA and the companies financing those organizations. Copyright Law will be repealed.

    --monxrtr

  51. Re:firt post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WIN

  52. That bill needs to die by Criton · · Score: 1

    That bill and all other pro IP bills that allow hollywood to sue grandmothers and 11 year old girls for 20K and more must be stopped and the people pushing them booted out of the country. Heck lets go farther and pull RIAA and MPAA people's skin off like wrapping paper and deck the halls with their guts.

  53. I have mixed feelings. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, hey, cool. We have a czar for copyright infringement now. I guess that means we can pirate MP3 and movies for the rest of our lives with no worries about ever seeing anything to stop us.

    On the other hand, though, it means we'll be handing over more of the keys to the Constitution in vain, hamfisted attempts to stop it.

    I mean, look at all those other things we've appointed czars for.

  54. Re:The problem-nobody is waking up like they used by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

    I sure didn't see the OP say anything about parties. You are just setting up a strawman argument by equating "right" with "republican." Talk about a predetermined bias...

  55. Minor Typo in Summary by SixFactor · · Score: 1

    It's H.R. 4279. The resolution can be found here. It looks quite bipartisan.

    What I'd like to see is a representative or senator brave enough to say, "I think we need to stop making laws for a while, to see how what we have works, or not." A key feature that is seemingly absent from our legislative process is a feedback loop. One that asks: Is this working as intended? Do we need to change it? Is it being abused? I like sunset clauses too, but I'm only aware of one piece of legislation that had it, the so-called Assault Weapon Ban.

    About 10 years ago, I read "Spock's World." One interesting concept from that book was that the Vulcan legislature had a branch dedicated to purging useless legislation. It would be nice to have one of those too.

    Just had a thought: that would be one heck of a community project.

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    Science never settles, never rests.
    1. Re:Minor Typo in Summary by slothman32 · · Score: 1

      Was there any other interesting bit from that book?

      I wouldn't call 12 people enough to make a bipartisan determination
      I don't think 1 or each means both sides agree.
      Maybe a hundred of each.
      And of course 100 cosponsors doesn't even makes sense.
      To summarize, bipartisan would mean, for the Senate, like 90 total
        for it; not just 60 or so.
      Or so that is my opinion

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      Why don't you guys have friends or journals?
  56. Re:Nicely put by LordSnooty · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's almost like the authorities want to protect the content producers so much because they supply the alternative drug, that is the endless stream of bland music, films & TV that subdues the people and stops them thinking of revolution.

  57. Re:crybaby by Lendrick · · Score: 1

    Whiny bastard, going off and doing something constructive. What's with people nowadays? Stop creating and consume, dammit!

  58. Only 10 Sec are Fare Use by mgrennan · · Score: 1

    If this hold true and only 10 seconds are covered under fare use, what keeps them from charging you with 11 fines on a two minute song? (The first ten sec are free).

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    There are 10 type of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
  59. I am a Czar Czar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You insensitive clod!

  60. Render unto Czar what is Czar's... by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

    and pray to God you don't get raided.

  61. It's a wonderful life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have to disagree on that one, blatant propaganda that shills the fed reserve (allusion) and "fractional reserve banking" congame.

    Hollywood does it a lot, look at 24 and the glorification of torture, look at all the john wayne type movies. And etc. Sure, it's all "entertainment", but lurking in there is a lot of psychological and quite effective mass brainwashing. They do it with the so called "news" and they have always done it with "entertainment" as well, just it is more subtle there. It's conditioning "150 days of bread and circuses" to snag one from a more recent hollywood effort. The puppet masters know how to make their marionettes dance. And it can be even more blatant, americas army the "game".

    Anyway, you said you were putting your mind rays protective gear back on, so I thought I'd provide some actual reasons why that attire might be necessary.

  62. expand it by zogger · · Score: 1

    I have been in favor of something similar, but more wide ranging (and a shorter term, ten years). Make this rule apply to all government, top to bottom, every worker there, elected, hired, appointed, it doesn't matter. No more lifelong careers in government. There is zero incentive to improve government from the inside when the way it is setup insures your entire existence for life. There's no incentive to alter that, the incentive is to perpetuate it and make it even larger, government as a growth and jobs industry is what we have now, and politicians are just the public face of it, the problem permeates the entire thing. Eliminate full time careers and pensions. Ten years in any combination of government "service", then back to the private sector.

      Once people realize it is in their best interest to make government functional, cheap, efficient, fair, etc, because they will not always be there, you'll see some decent changes. You have to remove the opposite incentive, and that incentive is the governmental perpetual paycheck, or even two or three with "sheep dipping" as it is called.

      People should want to be in government because it's theoretically a place to give back a little, to truly be "of service" to your community and nation, but the way it is now is "us versus them". We lost that government "of the people" a long time ago, it's turned schizoid.

    1. Re:expand it by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      Make this rule apply to all government, top to bottom, every worker there, elected, hired, appointed, it doesn't matter. No more lifelong careers in government.

      Well, that would certainly have interesting effects on the military. Privates would be the guys who had just started, and generals would be the guys who had been there ten years.

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      -- This and all my posts are in the public domain. I am a lawyer. I am not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice.
  63. Re:crybaby by FLEB · · Score: 1

    If it wasn't about wanting free songs, then there would just be a lack of interest altogether, with no songs being bought or pirated, or perhaps (given the altruistic motives some cite) the pirated songs would be taken as a protest action then discarded or disregarded. The things being traded are obviously desired, otherwise they would not be taken.

    Worth can't really be determined in a skewed market where costs are set independently of the process of creation. By that logic, stolen goods are clearly worthless, since the "buyers" chose to pay nothing for them.

    (For those of you about to say it, read again-- That was not a copyright=theft argument.)

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    Information wants to be free.
    Entertainment wants to be paid.
    You just want to be cheap.
  64. Re:crybaby by Original+Replica · · Score: 1

    Worth can't really be determined in a skewed market where costs are set independently of the process of creation.

    Radiohead would disagree.

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    We are all just people.
  65. Re:firt post by uepuejq · · Score: 1

    commander taco works countless hours to bring this site to you, and this is all you have to say?

  66. Re:crybaby by ckaminski · · Score: 1

    Bad example, and one I think that bolsters the RIAA's argument. Like the failed Steven King experiment several years ago, the reason Radiohead pulled off this coup of Internet profiteering had everything to do with marketing and advertising.

    If *ALL* music was sold this way, you would not see the same effect. If every iTMS download was unencumbered (easily), iTMS certainly wouldn't be making money.

    My opinion is that there is a fine balance between DRM and device portability. The RIAA and Industry, however, haven't really found that mix yet.

  67. DOJ Doesn't Like the Idea of A Copyright Czar by eniacfoa · · Score: 1

    futile futile futile. no matter which angle you look at it, everyone is a criminal of some sort. im sure there are police officers who use torrent clients. a main factor in labels losing money is the lack of quality, especially in hiphop sales, even industry insiders are starting to say - "maybe we should focus more on quality and not quantity" anybody with a clue isnt going to buy an mp3 player with DRM. its a complete infringement on your right to play the music you paid for as you see fit plus im sure its easily hacked. I buy as many CD's as i can afford, but if i was to pay for my mp3 collection Id be in the gutter...as far as im concerned Id love to see big labels go bankrupt as all they do is throw a crapload of money at rubbish like 50cent & Akon and they dont spend F'all time developing quality artists anymore.....if your 1st album doesnt sell well these days its goodbye, instead of being developed like bands in the 60's and 70's.... Im a producer and in my area of underground hiphop the punters go out of their way to buy your CD because they care about you and they want to support you. thank god for you guys! ]labels know they need a new pricing model...i think radiohead hit the nail on the head when they got an average of about $10 for their new LP....

  68. it still works by zogger · · Score: 1

    We really aren't supposed to have a large permanent paid for standing career-professional army. The founders were adamant about that, calling it a danger as some powerful leader could take over, ie, a dictatorship (I think they were correct in this assessment...too bad we didn't follow their advice and guidance). They preferred a well trained and always on call civilian militia. And as such, there would still be well trained folks of all ranks and ages, just not as full time careers. We have that concept now in a limited fashion with the natguard, where they have all ranks/skills/ages, etc. there would be no outside time limit on that, because it isn't a job with the government, so it falls outside the ten year theoretical rule, it is a service that all men between 17 and 45 are required to be available for (organized), and others outside that age bracket and gender could be used if they volunteered and were accepted (everyone else, the unorganized..but willing). "We the people" for the national defense (as opposed to speculative offensive wars for profit or ..pick some other wild reason).

    HTH I've thought this through a lot, and obviously that comes up quickly as a potential sticking point, but I feel it can be adequately addressed just by going back to the old original design criteria.

    1. Re:it still works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We really aren't supposed to have a large permanent paid for standing career-professional army. The founders... preferred a well trained and always on call civilian militia."

      And that worked when you could call on everyone to grab his musket and meet on the commons, but these days, someone has to polish the atoms in the bombs, even when they're not needed immediately.

  69. Re:firt post by dryeo · · Score: 1

    Personally I think he should always be moderated troll due to the siq. Trolling is trolling whether due to the message or siq. I am lucky, being on dialup I clicked his siq and as soon as I saw the text goatse I closed the tab. In a different article someone mentioned how they clicked it at work and were really worried about being fired for browsing goatse. This is one of the best examples of trolling I have come across.
    And mods, not only have I turned of my karma bonus but this is on topic as we are talking about a real troll who is posting repeatlly.

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  70. Programmer sues Jonathan Schwartz for copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SUN sued the programmer personally for trademark infringement on Java and SUN marks.

    The programmer sues Jonathan Schwartz for copyright infringement.

    See http://netbula.com/lawsuit/

    61. Without getting any response from DeCecco or anyone else from SUN, in August
    and September 2006, Plaintiff twice emailed SUN's CEO and President, Jonathan Schwartz,
    informing him about the infringement. No SUN employee responded to the two email messages.

    62. On information and belief, Julie DeCecco and Jonathan Schwartz, instead of
    stopping the infringement, employed delay tactics to continue the infringement. Schwartz and DeCecco forwarded Plaintiff's email messages and related documents to other SUN employees
    (including Melnick) and potentially SUN's outside counsel, preparing for lawsuit while permitting
    the infringement to continue at SUN and its customers. One of SUN's planned strategies was to
    sue Plaintiff personally by alleging trademark infringement on the JAVA and SUN marks.

    63. On information and belief, Schwartz owned millions shares of SUN stocks and
    derivative securities and was involved in the day-to-day management of SUN's operations,
    including operating a blog and answering questions from customers or prospective customers.

    http://netbula.com/lawsuit/

  71. you should observe more, pontificate less by circletimessquare · · Score: 0, Troll

    ever hear of hillbilly heroin? it's oxycodone. prescription oxycodone. no mafia, no illegality

    and yet there is still addiction, lives being ruined, crime in the seconday market, etc.

    why?

    because of addiction. you need to learn to appreciate what that concept does to your point of view on the opiates

    all of the lessons of prohibition are eclipsed in negative value by the sheer extreme addictiveness of the opiates, and outweighs the lessons of prohibition in relation to the opiates

    and you have the audacity to talk about free men, when confronted with what opiate addiction does to free men. as in: slavery, zombiehood. talk about blindness

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  72. Re:it still works/yep still does by zogger · · Score: 1

    All those jobs can be and are done daily by natguard guys, including fighter pilots and so on. I think we could pull off a full return to the organized militia. Training = "organized" in this context. A cadre of full time professionals gets too far removed from the "we the people" concept and turns into the royal guard and king's hessian mercenaries who just blindly "follow orders" from a single human. This is just a bad idea and we can see daily in the headlines why this is so. We need a return to looking at the US as a real "union" of 50 soveriogn states who share a few critical things, and also that the doofus clerk in chief doesn't usurp all the power, like what has happened now. Congress is a paper tiger, the nutso one just issues "signing statements" and does what he wants and all those orders, no matter how insane, inanae or outright ludicrous, are followed.

    This is really a bad idea. Real bad. "We the people" tell our representatives what to do, they in turn tell the hired help employee "clerk in chief" what to do, and he is supposed to do that and besides that but out of lawmaking and policy. Not his gig at all.. That's the theory. the US is the first nation ever devised with a bottom up sort of government, evertything flows from the free and sovereign individual with government having a very limited and restricted set of powers and duties and *that's it*. It's completely bass ackwards right now, and needs to change back to the original design.

    Of course, you would have to just stop with the wallstreet and bankers wars of aggression and maximum blood profits for this to happen, they got WAY too much actual power and are driving this political bus with the politicians as stand-ins, so they need to be toned down a bunch as well, which IMO would be another good thing. Ike warned us this takeover/coup thing for cash would happen, and it did, and I just dare to say it out loud "he was right, and stuff needs to change back".