Really? That happens to you regularly? How confident are you that you're not just misinterpreting noisy chatter (as in pareidolia) and glaring at random people? Getting glared at by a stranger would certainly make me have a reaction that might look like guilt.
I would compare your experiences with people you know, and if they can't relate, consider how likely it is that your hearing is that much better than everyone else's.
I had my hearing professionally tested when I joined the military, it's mandatory. My eyes are shit, but my hearing is phenomenal. I can hear with exceptional frequency range, both high and low, I can hear sounds with extremely low amplitude, and I can discern sounds from noise very well. As well, I was trained and given exams in recognizing and locating sounds as part of my infantry training, and got perfect scores every time.
That said, I'm sure I experience pareidolia to some small degree just like everyone else does.
I don't know how anyone can be aware of such times as the Red Scare and McCarthyism, or the modus operatus of groups like the CIA and KGB, and yet believe that this doesn't happen to people. Not to say that everyone who thinks it's happening to them is right, but clearly, it happens to people all the time, sometimes for periods measured in years and decades.
You know, people with superior hearing hear people who have bad hearing talking about them as they walk down the street all the time? Many if not most people make idle commentary about people passing by when they are bored, and people with bad hearing make false assumptions about how far their voice carries. Happens to me regularly... someone will make a comment about "the guy with the sideburns" to their friend, then I look em in the eyes, and they get a guilty look on their face. Really quite annoying, and I can see how it would drive a more mentally fragile person around the bend...
Here's what Deutsche Welle says: "The European Union's Court of First Instance turned down Lego's appeal to force the EU's trademarks and designs office to reissue its trademark for the shape of its standard red Lego brick with eight cylindrical knobs.
"The EU court, however, sided with a 2004 decision made by the EU agency, which had canceled Lego's trademark after rival toy maker Canada's Mega Brands Inc. filed an appeal to Lego's application. Mega Brands produces similar plastic building blocks that compete with Lego."
But zettabyte wasn't perfect, actually. We (we were a team by now) found that when you call it the zettabyte filesystem, you have to explain what a zettabyte is, and by then the elevator has reached the top floor and all people know is that you're doing large capacity. Which is true, but it's not the main point.
Should have just called it the Zinc File System. Then when people ask, tell em it's cause Zinc is good for you.
I've always thought about it in terms of steel cables and rubber bands.
If I tie one end of a steel cable to a load that is stuck in the mud and the other end to the back of my truck, and leave it slack, and floor my truck, I'm going to get more snapping power to dislodge the load, but I'm at higher risk of breaking the cable.
If I tie one end of a bungee cord to a load that is stuck in the mud and the other end to the back of my truck, and leave it slack, and floor my truck, the elongation is going to sap a lot of my snapping power, making it more difficult to dislodge the load, but I'm at a much lower risk of breaking the cable.
Static stretching is what puts slack into the cable. Dynamic stretching is what puts bungee into the cable.
Just let it go at this point, rather than challenge people for benchmarks when you haven't offered anything in the way of proof for your own argument (there really isn't any, since game consoles are as different from Macs as they are from PCs, OS-wise. Or at least they were until very recently).
My original argument was that these benchmarks, which are what the article is about, which is what the discussion is about, do not say anything about how OSX runs on non-Mac hardware, and do not provide a fair comparison of the software, because they are inconclusive, and because there is every reason to believe that OSX is designed to work particularly well on Mac hardware. You don't do half an experiment, jump to conclusions on that basis, then when people point out that you only did half the experiment, demand that they do the other half before they contest your conclusions. It doesn't work that way, and no amount of fanboyism is going to change that reality.
If these black boxes were made public information, like a super wayback machine that allows the people to watch the watchers, that would be a big step forward.
How many times do people have to point out that OS X runs well on generic non-Apple hardware? Are you just going to keep ignoring it in every post you make?
Being that the subject of the discussion is the validity of the conclusions that are based on these benchmarks, and being that there is an absence of benchmarks that substantiate your anecdotal evidence, I'm likely going to keep ignoring it until you put up benchmarks to prove what you say. Because nothing I've seen here is even slightly conclusive.
It's relevant because you claimed OS X relies on the capabilities of a subset of hardware dictated by Apple, and I pointed out that OS X happily runs on generic PC hardware through copy-protection hacks.
No, I didn't. I claimed that OSX does not have any need to deal with the vast number of use cases that Linux or Windows does, and that they can tweak the way their software runs to be more efficient on the small selection of hardware they do support.
The fact that you can run it if you hack it is irrelevant. I could probably run the XBox OS on a mainframe with the right virtual machine, but that doesn't change the fact that the XBox OS was tailored to perform optimally on the XBox hardware, and it doesn't change the fact that OSX was tailored to perform optimally on Apple hardware.
The Exact Audio Copy tool does something like this. (Or, it used to... I kicked the Windows habit a while ago, so I'm not really up to speed)
It only works with Audio CDs to my knowledge, but it will read each section of the disk twice, and if they are identical, it will commit that and move on. If they're not identical, it will read 8 times and look for 4 matches that are identical, and if it finds them, it will commit that. Otherwise, it will read 8 more times and try again, until it's successfully found a match or until it's tried 80 times, at which point it will log the section as corrupt and move to the next sector.
I don't see why it shouldn't be possible to use a similar technique for data disks.
Unless you can prove that OS X is taking advantage of hardware features that other operating systems are unable to, your point is baseless. OS X even runs on generic PCs with a few hacks.
If you have to hack it to even get it to run, how is this relevant in the slightest?
It used to, but doesn't any more. Lack of demand.
And incase you're saying that PPC support is more important than the tens of thousands of devices linux supports, think again. I've never had a hardware setup ubuntu hasn't worked with. It can be tricky at times, but my digital camera works straight away, my phone does, my MP3 player, web camera, usb headset, usb/wireless mouse, etc etc etc. The hardware support in linux absolutely vast, and support for non-peripheral hardware is going to be pretty tight.
So yeah, linux supporting everything does mean lowest-common-denominator development, as the grandparent said.
It's worth mentioning that G3 support was dropped in Leopard, and that PowerPC support was dropped entirely from the developer version of Snow Leopard.
Mac OS X doesn't have to accommodate variances in the hardware it is running on in the same way that Linux or Windows has to do.
It doesn't, huh? You mean like three generations of PowerPC CPUs, a second CPU architecture (x86), all the different flavors of HDDs, DVD drives, video cards, and other installable and peripheral devices you can add third-party, and then just about every bit of hardware Apple has come out with since the G3 processor debuted?
Therefore, it can exploit the hardware better. It's the same principle that applied to game developers targeting the XBox rather than a standard PC. Standard PCs might be more powerful, but the XBox is a non-moving target, so you don't need to write to the lowest common denominator, and can exploit the particular strengths of the hardware better.
Okay. The XBox uses a motherboard. Apple has several models using a variety of motherboard and hardware dating back to who-knows-when that it has to account for. You're comparing a console's static array of hardware to an entire production line. That's hardly the same thing.
Ok, you've expressed how much more variance there is in the Apple product line compared to the XBox. Now, just for the sake of completeness, why don't you express how much more variance in the supported hardware for Ubuntu compared to Apple.
Mac OS X doesn't have to accommodate variances in the hardware it is running on in the same way that Linux or Windows has to do. Therefore, it can exploit the hardware better. It's the same principle that applied to game developers targeting the XBox rather than a standard PC. Standard PCs might be more powerful, but the XBox is a non-moving target, so you don't need to write to the lowest common denominator, and can exploit the particular strengths of the hardware better. So, it's unreasonable to expect an OS that is written to work on multiple platforms to compete in this fashion.
The lack of proper spelling and grammar detracts from the credibility of the article. I mean, if the author doesn't care enough to fix obvious grammar errors, how can he be trusted to have testing methodology that doesn't contain gross errors?
Clearly, those who are passionate about writing and grammar are the best people to go to for advice about the intricate nature of computer hardware. If you're not passionate about writing and grammar, clearly, you're an idiot whose ramblings don't deserve critical attention, but should simply be dismissed as the ramblings of an illiterate.
I went to see a doctor the other day, and his penmanship was absolutely atrocious. Clearly, he doesn't pay attention to details, so I went to see someone else. I'm so glad I did... that person gave me a copy of their book, which was very well written. They advised me to start taking Echinacea, and if their medical advice is as good as their writing, I'm quite confident that my cancer will be gone soon.
Welcome to the international economy. You trade with our cartel the way we want you to, or not at all. Can't live without importing our food/music/windmills? That must really suck for you then, huh?
I don't mean to troll. But, from Joe the slashdotter's POV, it looks like that sometimes. And the USA has been on the dealing end far often than the receiving end.
Don't wage war on the EU, nor any of its constituent bodies or member nations. Instead, wage it, forcefully, against the international media cartel. You will have many more allies this way.
Otherwise, it'll be nations fighting nations over something the citizens didn't decide. A pointless bloodbath, either figurative or real.
That's kind of what I was figuring. Right now, there's a worldwide push by those in power to outlaw tools that weren't approved and paid for. You can't just go send an army somewhere to deal with that. It's not that simple a problem.
What you can do is, start making illegal tools and handing them out among the citizenry, and make it easy for them to do the same. Empower them to help themselves and each other instead of being "consumers". Then, when the authorities start coming for you in force, that's when you fight back. Because you must.
That's how this war will go down. It will be a global war, fought by citizens in all countries against the conquers who never needed to invade because they conquered their own peers. It will be reminiscent of the struggle of the Irish against the British, all across the globe. There will be no tidy boundaries and borders, but it will be a war nevertheless.
The circumstances of the world stage make it inevitable.
It's worth mentioning, if you're going to use other peoples code, always wrap it up and call the wrapper rather than tightly coupling your own code to the foreign code. You never know when you'll want to replace it. The Bridge, Facade and Strategy design patterns are good for this sort of thing.
Once I've got them, I'll start making them for friends and family and create infrastructure to facilitate the free exchange of practical designs.
Small first steps, but steps towards independence from centralized manufacturing and centralized food production nevertheless.
If you don't need to trade, you don't need to participate, you don't need to protest and demand they change their behavior. You can walk away from them and ignore them, in ever increasing numbers, until their power is gone. Then you've won.
I'll bet you're overweight, watch too much TV and have plenty of money for your video games. The maddest people I've seen are among the richest and most spoiled. And they have little shit fits when they don't get their way.
I don't have cable, don't have DVDs, don't have CDs, don't have video games that aren't open source, or any other software for that matter. I don't buy food from grocery stores, nor do I shop at malls. Instead, I have musical instruments and recording gear, cameras, video cameras, paints and easels, free creative software and free publishing tools, etc. I'm participating in an urban garden project, and what food I buy, I buy directly from farmers most of the time. I'm not a "consumer" as a general rule. I create. And the things I create, I give away.
And, of course, I'm not fat, either.
I think a big problem we face is that civility and integrity have not kept pace with technology.
The big problem we face is that in the name of civility we have failed to demand that people live with integrity.
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Really? That happens to you regularly? How confident are you that you're not just misinterpreting noisy chatter (as in pareidolia) and glaring at random people? Getting glared at by a stranger would certainly make me have a reaction that might look like guilt.
I would compare your experiences with people you know, and if they can't relate, consider how likely it is that your hearing is that much better than everyone else's.
I had my hearing professionally tested when I joined the military, it's mandatory. My eyes are shit, but my hearing is phenomenal. I can hear with exceptional frequency range, both high and low, I can hear sounds with extremely low amplitude, and I can discern sounds from noise very well. As well, I was trained and given exams in recognizing and locating sounds as part of my infantry training, and got perfect scores every time.
That said, I'm sure I experience pareidolia to some small degree just like everyone else does.
I don't know how anyone can be aware of such times as the Red Scare and McCarthyism, or the modus operatus of groups like the CIA and KGB, and yet believe that this doesn't happen to people. Not to say that everyone who thinks it's happening to them is right, but clearly, it happens to people all the time, sometimes for periods measured in years and decades.
You know, people with superior hearing hear people who have bad hearing talking about them as they walk down the street all the time? Many if not most people make idle commentary about people passing by when they are bored, and people with bad hearing make false assumptions about how far their voice carries. Happens to me regularly... someone will make a comment about "the guy with the sideburns" to their friend, then I look em in the eyes, and they get a guilty look on their face. Really quite annoying, and I can see how it would drive a more mentally fragile person around the bend...
Here's what Deutsche Welle says: "The European Union's Court of First Instance turned down Lego's appeal to force the EU's trademarks and designs office to reissue its trademark for the shape of its standard red Lego brick with eight cylindrical knobs. "The EU court, however, sided with a 2004 decision made by the EU agency, which had canceled Lego's trademark after rival toy maker Canada's Mega Brands Inc. filed an appeal to Lego's application. Mega Brands produces similar plastic building blocks that compete with Lego."
About. Fucking. Time.
But zettabyte wasn't perfect, actually. We (we were a team by now) found that when you call it the zettabyte filesystem, you have to explain what a zettabyte is, and by then the elevator has reached the top floor and all people know is that you're doing large capacity. Which is true, but it's not the main point.
Should have just called it the Zinc File System. Then when people ask, tell em it's cause Zinc is good for you.
No, the purpose is selective enforcement.
I've always thought about it in terms of steel cables and rubber bands.
If I tie one end of a steel cable to a load that is stuck in the mud and the other end to the back of my truck, and leave it slack, and floor my truck, I'm going to get more snapping power to dislodge the load, but I'm at higher risk of breaking the cable.
If I tie one end of a bungee cord to a load that is stuck in the mud and the other end to the back of my truck, and leave it slack, and floor my truck, the elongation is going to sap a lot of my snapping power, making it more difficult to dislodge the load, but I'm at a much lower risk of breaking the cable.
Static stretching is what puts slack into the cable. Dynamic stretching is what puts bungee into the cable.
Just let it go at this point, rather than challenge people for benchmarks when you haven't offered anything in the way of proof for your own argument (there really isn't any, since game consoles are as different from Macs as they are from PCs, OS-wise. Or at least they were until very recently).
My original argument was that these benchmarks, which are what the article is about, which is what the discussion is about, do not say anything about how OSX runs on non-Mac hardware, and do not provide a fair comparison of the software, because they are inconclusive, and because there is every reason to believe that OSX is designed to work particularly well on Mac hardware. You don't do half an experiment, jump to conclusions on that basis, then when people point out that you only did half the experiment, demand that they do the other half before they contest your conclusions. It doesn't work that way, and no amount of fanboyism is going to change that reality.
If these black boxes were made public information, like a super wayback machine that allows the people to watch the watchers, that would be a big step forward.
How many times do people have to point out that OS X runs well on generic non-Apple hardware? Are you just going to keep ignoring it in every post you make?
Being that the subject of the discussion is the validity of the conclusions that are based on these benchmarks, and being that there is an absence of benchmarks that substantiate your anecdotal evidence, I'm likely going to keep ignoring it until you put up benchmarks to prove what you say. Because nothing I've seen here is even slightly conclusive.
It's relevant because you claimed OS X relies on the capabilities of a subset of hardware dictated by Apple, and I pointed out that OS X happily runs on generic PC hardware through copy-protection hacks.
No, I didn't. I claimed that OSX does not have any need to deal with the vast number of use cases that Linux or Windows does, and that they can tweak the way their software runs to be more efficient on the small selection of hardware they do support.
The fact that you can run it if you hack it is irrelevant. I could probably run the XBox OS on a mainframe with the right virtual machine, but that doesn't change the fact that the XBox OS was tailored to perform optimally on the XBox hardware, and it doesn't change the fact that OSX was tailored to perform optimally on Apple hardware.
The Exact Audio Copy tool does something like this. (Or, it used to... I kicked the Windows habit a while ago, so I'm not really up to speed)
It only works with Audio CDs to my knowledge, but it will read each section of the disk twice, and if they are identical, it will commit that and move on. If they're not identical, it will read 8 times and look for 4 matches that are identical, and if it finds them, it will commit that. Otherwise, it will read 8 more times and try again, until it's successfully found a match or until it's tried 80 times, at which point it will log the section as corrupt and move to the next sector.
I don't see why it shouldn't be possible to use a similar technique for data disks.
Unless you can prove that OS X is taking advantage of hardware features that other operating systems are unable to, your point is baseless. OS X even runs on generic PCs with a few hacks.
If you have to hack it to even get it to run, how is this relevant in the slightest?
It used to, but doesn't any more. Lack of demand. And incase you're saying that PPC support is more important than the tens of thousands of devices linux supports, think again. I've never had a hardware setup ubuntu hasn't worked with. It can be tricky at times, but my digital camera works straight away, my phone does, my MP3 player, web camera, usb headset, usb/wireless mouse, etc etc etc. The hardware support in linux absolutely vast, and support for non-peripheral hardware is going to be pretty tight. So yeah, linux supporting everything does mean lowest-common-denominator development, as the grandparent said.
It's worth mentioning that G3 support was dropped in Leopard, and that PowerPC support was dropped entirely from the developer version of Snow Leopard.
Mac OS X doesn't have to accommodate variances in the hardware it is running on in the same way that Linux or Windows has to do.
It doesn't, huh? You mean like three generations of PowerPC CPUs, a second CPU architecture (x86), all the different flavors of HDDs, DVD drives, video cards, and other installable and peripheral devices you can add third-party, and then just about every bit of hardware Apple has come out with since the G3 processor debuted?
Therefore, it can exploit the hardware better. It's the same principle that applied to game developers targeting the XBox rather than a standard PC. Standard PCs might be more powerful, but the XBox is a non-moving target, so you don't need to write to the lowest common denominator, and can exploit the particular strengths of the hardware better.
Okay. The XBox uses a motherboard. Apple has several models using a variety of motherboard and hardware dating back to who-knows-when that it has to account for. You're comparing a console's static array of hardware to an entire production line. That's hardly the same thing.
Ok, you've expressed how much more variance there is in the Apple product line compared to the XBox. Now, just for the sake of completeness, why don't you express how much more variance in the supported hardware for Ubuntu compared to Apple.
Mac OS X doesn't have to accommodate variances in the hardware it is running on in the same way that Linux or Windows has to do. Therefore, it can exploit the hardware better. It's the same principle that applied to game developers targeting the XBox rather than a standard PC. Standard PCs might be more powerful, but the XBox is a non-moving target, so you don't need to write to the lowest common denominator, and can exploit the particular strengths of the hardware better. So, it's unreasonable to expect an OS that is written to work on multiple platforms to compete in this fashion.
Did anyone expect that Apples OS was going to be beaten on Apple hardware by a generic Linux distribution?
Which is faster on my Gateway box?
The lack of proper spelling and grammar detracts from the credibility of the article. I mean, if the author doesn't care enough to fix obvious grammar errors, how can he be trusted to have testing methodology that doesn't contain gross errors?
Clearly, those who are passionate about writing and grammar are the best people to go to for advice about the intricate nature of computer hardware. If you're not passionate about writing and grammar, clearly, you're an idiot whose ramblings don't deserve critical attention, but should simply be dismissed as the ramblings of an illiterate.
I went to see a doctor the other day, and his penmanship was absolutely atrocious. Clearly, he doesn't pay attention to details, so I went to see someone else. I'm so glad I did... that person gave me a copy of their book, which was very well written. They advised me to start taking Echinacea, and if their medical advice is as good as their writing, I'm quite confident that my cancer will be gone soon.
Welcome to the international economy. You trade with our cartel the way we want you to, or not at all. Can't live without importing our food/music/windmills? That must really suck for you then, huh?
I don't mean to troll. But, from Joe the slashdotter's POV, it looks like that sometimes. And the USA has been on the dealing end far often than the receiving end.
Don't wage war on the EU, nor any of its constituent bodies or member nations. Instead, wage it, forcefully, against the international media cartel. You will have many more allies this way.
Otherwise, it'll be nations fighting nations over something the citizens didn't decide. A pointless bloodbath, either figurative or real.
That's kind of what I was figuring. Right now, there's a worldwide push by those in power to outlaw tools that weren't approved and paid for. You can't just go send an army somewhere to deal with that. It's not that simple a problem.
What you can do is, start making illegal tools and handing them out among the citizenry, and make it easy for them to do the same. Empower them to help themselves and each other instead of being "consumers". Then, when the authorities start coming for you in force, that's when you fight back. Because you must.
That's how this war will go down. It will be a global war, fought by citizens in all countries against the conquers who never needed to invade because they conquered their own peers. It will be reminiscent of the struggle of the Irish against the British, all across the globe. There will be no tidy boundaries and borders, but it will be a war nevertheless.
The circumstances of the world stage make it inevitable.
It's worth mentioning, if you're going to use other peoples code, always wrap it up and call the wrapper rather than tightly coupling your own code to the foreign code. You never know when you'll want to replace it. The Bridge, Facade and Strategy design patterns are good for this sort of thing.
Sounds like a call to war. Want to mandate that my behavior should be stupid, that's justification enough for me.
That's right, get mad and whine. But don't do anything about it. Just vent your bile on the Internet.
I am doing something about it.
For example, I'm working on building one of these: reprap.org
And, working on building one of these: farmfountain.com
Once I've got them, I'll start making them for friends and family and create infrastructure to facilitate the free exchange of practical designs.
Small first steps, but steps towards independence from centralized manufacturing and centralized food production nevertheless.
If you don't need to trade, you don't need to participate, you don't need to protest and demand they change their behavior. You can walk away from them and ignore them, in ever increasing numbers, until their power is gone. Then you've won.
I'll bet you're overweight, watch too much TV and have plenty of money for your video games. The maddest people I've seen are among the richest and most spoiled. And they have little shit fits when they don't get their way.
I don't have cable, don't have DVDs, don't have CDs, don't have video games that aren't open source, or any other software for that matter. I don't buy food from grocery stores, nor do I shop at malls. Instead, I have musical instruments and recording gear, cameras, video cameras, paints and easels, free creative software and free publishing tools, etc. I'm participating in an urban garden project, and what food I buy, I buy directly from farmers most of the time. I'm not a "consumer" as a general rule. I create. And the things I create, I give away.
And, of course, I'm not fat, either.
I think a big problem we face is that civility and integrity have not kept pace with technology.
The big problem we face is that in the name of civility we have failed to demand that people live with integrity.
Yeah, it was intended as a joke. Maybe I should have made a reference to Brawndo having what electronics crave...
Just like MKV hardly anything will play it, but unlike MKV it doesn't actually add anything useful.
You've obviously never negotiated costs with MPEG-LA, or you wouldn't say that.
Try an onion
As someone related to founding 'fathers'
If this is true, it probably means you're one of the orchestrators of this situation who needs to be removed from influence.