Actually, what you found was the storage where it keeps what you've recently searched for. All that said is that you have recently looked for advert.dll using the find file or folder... HTH. Rae
Doesn't hold water. Ok, you've got J Random GasCompany. They will provide pipelines to anywhere for $RandomPrice. You ask them to build the pipe to your door, but they refuse, telling you it's ok to haul your 55 gallon drum down to the nearest waystation to fill up on all the gas you could use. Being that a 55 gallon drum of gas is kinda heavy, you decide to build the pipeline yourself. While you're at it, you build it to your neighbors, supplying them with the same service. (The gas is still free, the only thing you are paying for is building the pipe, which the university did not do, you did. You had permission to take gas from that pipe.) Now, true, everyone gets a little bit less gas at a time from the pipe, but the other students didn't seem to mind terribly... Moral of the story: Bad analogies muddle up even the most determined arguements, and yes, if the uni doesn't supply them with personal ethernet ports, but tells them they can share this one, it does justify sharing it in a way unexpected by the uni.
A network connection is not property. It's a service. It's not personal either, since it's a public institution, however that's something completely different. It seems this issue has been divided fairly well down a line in Slashdotdom. The hacker types, who feel it's a great thing to put something to use in a manner not originally intended, and the admin types who feel that nothing should be allowed unless explicitly stated. All I have seen for them being wrong is that the "stole" the connection. Actually, it's not that. The connection was loaned to them by their neighbors downstairs. It's just the university being a bit pissy, if you ask me. The $24 cabling fee was paid by the students whose room it was connected to, and the other students paid for their own cabling. No harm, no foul, too much sensationalism. Rae
>Sitting around and letting people kill you or just cowering under the bed or perhaps getting a bunch of wuss friends to help you is just foolish. >That's what the local police are for. Even better that's what supposedly groups like the FBI and *gasp* even the NSA are supposed to be >for: *ponder* Local police are meant to cower under the bed waiting for people to kill them? I guess that explains the crime rates round here. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Really. Rae
How about this for a place... The next campaign stop for the Political Train. Set a day, and have a large group at the publicity stunts of each of the 4 major US Presidential Candidates. It is an election year, and they are getting all kinds of news coverage. We could try to sort of co-opt that coverage. It's an idea anyway, --Rae
NT 4.0 Server does too, however, the problem with it isn't that you can't telnet in, it's that you can't run much of anything, as NT was designed to be one person sitting at the machine, not many people running processes off the machine. The command line tools in NT are not documented terribly well, and most of the programs you run in NT assume you are right there at the computer. It makes it a real pain to try and get something to work without PCAnywhere, or BO2k, or whatever your favorite remote mgmt tool is. --Rae
Where is your trebuchet? I think most people who know what I'm talking about agree that it's a fairly obvious concept, but that doesn't mean they all have one hanging around in their back yard. (Though, there is that one guy in Victoria...) Obviousness does not have to be proven by implementation.
What I heard, and correct me if I'm wrong, Bruce, is that the success of the open source movement had less to do with software development and more to do with the model they used. Take and substitute software development with putting a space station in orbit, or putting people on Mars. It'd be best if done by an open method, with peer review, and everyone contributing their little ingenious ideas on how something should work.
So the fact that people were developing software wasn't the important part, it was how people were developing the software.
Personally, I took this from a slightly different perspective. It sounds like they were saying "There is no marketing data on Linux games, so we're not bundling this on the CD (So we can generate some data)". I figure it stands to reason that they'll watch how many times it gets downloaded, and then decide from those numbers just how popular Linux is as a gaming OS. Now this does kinda open things up to misconduct, but I'm sure something can be developed to help that. --This rambling cost nothing... Next time I'll get my $.02 maybe. Rae
What is this??? We're news for "nerds" here right? Why do people keep using "nerd" as a derogatory remark? That's almost completely retarded. I'm going to assume this is astroturfing, but I find it rather funny that three times in the comments on this article, someone has tried to insult a member of the community by calling them a member of the community. Am I just missing something here? Yep, I'm a nerd. Raelin
I take offense at that! Superunknown is an awesome album! I've worn two copies of the CD out since I first picked it up. Soundgarden isn't a one hit wonder. Though, what you do say otherwise rings fairly true. (Just can't have you ripping on Chris Cornell and gang. (Even if they broke up)) (They're the people who sing Blackhole Sun.
Oh my God! I do not know if you intended that to be funny, but given the thread and the actions of Microsoft, that struck me as absolutely hilarious! --Rae
Dell does millions of dollars of business in half an hour on the web? Damn, someone call my stock broker, I need to buy into Dell, and get rich.
--Exaggerations don't help your cause...
In this case it appears that no real harm was done, but hacking sites can easily cause real harm and should be punished accordingly. Stick with punishing them for what they did, not what could have happened. That person totalled his car. In doing so, he could have killed someone. Try him for murder.
Geeze, are you ever the grumpy one. And given to exaggeration to boot... Last I checked, simply reinstalling the OS doesn't verify that your holes are plugged up, so the only point in reinstalling is to appease some suit that you're safe, without any real rationale behind it.
"Sifting through data by hand"... Not sure what you're on about with that. But hey, you're diverting 12 people from production to do it. Not sure what you're producing though, that the only people who can verify that "data" is untainted have to be pulled from programming your projects. And are the 12 people watched over by coporate lawyers to make sure everything is done right or did you include the corporate lawyers in that 12?
What are you doing with your websites anyway? If it takes you that long to reload a verified backup, or worse yet, you don't notice that you've been hacked until you back up the hacked site, I feel sorry for the company who hired you.
Note, I don't think cracking is right. It *is* a might childish, but just because you are ashamed of what you did in your childhood, doesn't mean you have the right to insult, berate, and bore us all with your attempt at pseudologic, and nonsequiturs to derive overbloated numbers like that. Graffitizing a web page is a lot different from stealing a copy of a source tree and deleting it.
>The point isn't that your proposal shouldn't be followed. It can't be followed. I guess my point was more that you should consider any idea presented to you, not that you should consider every idea. I guess I didn't say it quite right the first time. As for the university library, I spend a good deal of my time in one. Consider the previous clueless ideals of an ivory tower intellectual... --Rae
>I do not believe all ideas are worthy of consideration. That is not censorship. I do not believe any idea should be supressed. > That would be censorship.
That one I disagree with. All ideas are worthy of consideration. (Some are only worthy of a few milliseconds of consideration, but you can't just chuck them out the window without considering why you are chucking them out the window.)
Antidotal? Freudian slip? I don't think the computers need to take drugs to cure their problems. --Rae (I guess if you get a really nasty virus, maybe...)
I don't think it's so much that people are missing that, it's that, like you mentioned, this is all stuff on it's way. It'd be easy to take pot shots at linux. Go look at all the projects that are currently in the works, and then claim that "Linux can't do %s" where %s is what the project is claiming to fix. IE there is nothing new in the study. It's a rehashing of old stuff that linux is working on fixing. The bad part is that some(most?) of the real meat and potatoes points are problems with NT also. Several have already been mentioned here. Anyway, it's just PR campaigning. --Rae
Well, are you using Visual Studio 6.0, IE 5.0 and Office 2000? I believe his point was that order very much matters on installing these things because some installations rewrite system files without checking to see if it's a later version, and without prompting you to replace them. My big problem is that they even replace these files through app installs. If you're just using NT with SP5, you can get it to work just fine. Try adding in a few random other microsoft products, though. Installations are permutable. Order matters. Raelin nPr vs nCr
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2x7+1=15=5x3. Disproof,unless I misunderstood what he was wanting. It's just not that easy, sorry.
Actually, what you found was the storage where it keeps what you've recently searched for. All that said is that you have recently looked for advert.dll using the find file or folder... HTH. Rae
Doesn't hold water.
Ok, you've got J Random GasCompany. They will provide pipelines to anywhere for $RandomPrice. You ask them to build the pipe to your door, but they refuse, telling you it's ok to haul your 55 gallon drum down to the nearest waystation to fill up on all the gas you could use. Being that a 55 gallon drum of gas is kinda heavy, you decide to build the pipeline yourself. While you're at it, you build it to your neighbors, supplying them with the same service. (The gas is still free, the only thing you are paying for is building the pipe, which the university did not do, you did. You had permission to take gas from that pipe.) Now, true, everyone gets a little bit less gas at a time from the pipe, but the other students didn't seem to mind terribly...
Moral of the story: Bad analogies muddle up even the most determined arguements, and yes, if the uni doesn't supply them with personal ethernet ports, but tells them they can share this one, it does justify sharing it in a way unexpected by the uni.
A network connection is not property. It's a service. It's not personal either, since it's a public institution, however that's something completely different. It seems this issue has been divided fairly well down a line in Slashdotdom. The hacker types, who feel it's a great thing to put something to use in a manner not originally intended, and the admin types who feel that nothing should be allowed unless explicitly stated. All I have seen for them being wrong is that the "stole" the connection. Actually, it's not that. The connection was loaned to them by their neighbors downstairs. It's just the university being a bit pissy, if you ask me. The $24 cabling fee was paid by the students whose room it was connected to, and the other students paid for their own cabling. No harm, no foul, too much sensationalism. Rae
>Sitting around and letting people kill you or just cowering under the bed or perhaps getting a bunch of wuss friends to help you is just foolish. >That's what the local police are for. Even better that's what supposedly groups like the FBI and *gasp* even the NSA are supposed to be >for: *ponder* Local police are meant to cower under the bed waiting for people to kill them? I guess that explains the crime rates round here. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Really. Rae
How about this for a place... The next campaign stop for the Political Train. Set a day, and have a large group at the publicity stunts of each of the 4 major US Presidential Candidates. It is an election year, and they are getting all kinds of news coverage. We could try to sort of co-opt that coverage.
It's an idea anyway,
--Rae
NT 4.0 Server does too, however, the problem with it isn't that you can't telnet in, it's that you can't run much of anything, as NT was designed to be one person sitting at the machine, not many people running processes off the machine. The command line tools in NT are not documented terribly well, and most of the programs you run in NT assume you are right there at the computer. It makes it a real pain to try and get something to work without PCAnywhere, or BO2k, or whatever your favorite remote mgmt tool is.
--Rae
Where is your trebuchet? I think most people who know what I'm talking about agree that it's a fairly obvious concept, but that doesn't mean they all have one hanging around in their back yard. (Though, there is that one guy in Victoria...) Obviousness does not have to be proven by implementation.
What I heard, and correct me if I'm wrong, Bruce, is that the success of the open source movement had less to do with software development and more to do with the model they used. Take and substitute software development with putting a space station in orbit, or putting people on Mars. It'd be best if done by an open method, with peer review, and everyone contributing their little ingenious ideas on how something should work.
So the fact that people were developing software wasn't the important part, it was how people were developing the software.
--Rae
Personally, I took this from a slightly different perspective. It sounds like they were saying "There is no marketing data on Linux games, so we're not bundling this on the CD (So we can generate some data)". I figure it stands to reason that they'll watch how many times it gets downloaded, and then decide from those numbers just how popular Linux is as a gaming OS. Now this does kinda open things up to misconduct, but I'm sure something can be developed to help that. --This rambling cost nothing... Next time I'll get my $.02 maybe. Rae
What is this??? We're news for "nerds" here right? Why do people keep using "nerd" as a derogatory remark? That's almost completely retarded. I'm going to assume this is astroturfing, but I find it rather funny that three times in the comments on this article, someone has tried to insult a member of the community by calling them a member of the community. Am I just missing something here? Yep, I'm a nerd. Raelin
SMERSH?
smjert' shpionam. It just didn't look right to me. (Of course Cyrillic doesn't look right at all in the roman character set.)
Dunno if you're still reading this, but I caught your sig. What's that supposed to be and should it be in Cyrillic?
--The Curious Russian Enthusiast
I take offense at that! Superunknown is an awesome album! I've worn two copies of the CD out since I first picked it up. Soundgarden isn't a one hit wonder. Though, what you do say otherwise rings fairly true. (Just can't have you ripping on Chris Cornell and gang. (Even if they broke up)) (They're the people who sing Blackhole Sun.
Oh my God!
I do not know if you intended that to be funny, but given the thread and the actions of Microsoft, that struck me as absolutely hilarious!
--Rae
Dell does millions of dollars of business in half an hour on the web? Damn, someone call my stock broker, I need to buy into Dell, and get rich.
--Exaggerations don't help your cause...
In this case it appears that no real harm was done, but hacking sites can easily cause real harm and should be punished accordingly.
Stick with punishing them for what they did, not what could have happened. That person totalled his car. In doing so, he could have killed someone. Try him for murder.
no, it should be:
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Geeze, are you ever the grumpy one. And given to exaggeration to boot... Last I checked, simply reinstalling the OS doesn't verify that your holes are plugged up, so the only point in reinstalling is to appease some suit that you're safe, without any real rationale behind it.
"Sifting through data by hand"... Not sure what you're on about with that. But hey, you're diverting 12 people from production to do it. Not sure what you're producing though, that the only people who can verify that "data" is untainted have to be pulled from programming your projects. And are the 12 people watched over by coporate lawyers to make sure everything is done right or did you include the corporate lawyers in that 12?
What are you doing with your websites anyway? If it takes you that long to reload a verified backup, or worse yet, you don't notice that you've been hacked until you back up the hacked site, I feel sorry for the company who hired you.
Note, I don't think cracking is right. It *is* a might childish, but just because you are ashamed of what you did in your childhood, doesn't mean you have the right to insult, berate, and bore us all with your attempt at pseudologic, and nonsequiturs to derive overbloated numbers like that. Graffitizing a web page is a lot different from stealing a copy of a source tree and deleting it.
Does having an OS that doesn't crash a "material reward" or a "spiritual reward"?
Spiritual. Definitely spiritual. When you find an OS that never crashes, you have found nirvana.
Meditate upon this with me students.
--Raelin
Tai Kwan Leep is the wine of purity, not the vinegar of hostility. --Ki Loh Ni
>The point isn't that your proposal shouldn't be followed. It can't be followed.
I guess my point was more that you should consider any idea presented to you, not that you should consider every idea. I guess I didn't say it quite right the first time.
As for the university library, I spend a good deal of my time in one. Consider the previous clueless ideals of an ivory tower intellectual...
--Rae
>I do not believe all ideas are worthy of consideration. That is not censorship. I do not believe any idea should be supressed.
> That would be censorship.
That one I disagree with. All ideas are worthy of consideration. (Some are only worthy of a few milliseconds of consideration, but you can't just chuck them out the window without considering why you are chucking them out the window.)
Antidotal? Freudian slip? I don't think the computers need to take drugs to cure their problems.
--Rae
(I guess if you get a really nasty virus, maybe...)
I don't think it's so much that people are missing that, it's that, like you mentioned, this is all stuff on it's way. It'd be easy to take pot shots at linux. Go look at all the projects that are currently in the works, and then claim that "Linux can't do %s" where %s is what the project is claiming to fix. IE there is nothing new in the study. It's a rehashing of old stuff that linux is working on fixing. The bad part is that some(most?) of the real meat and potatoes points are problems with NT also. Several have already been mentioned here.
Anyway, it's just PR campaigning.
--Rae
Which game is that? Civ CTP? Free Civ? Quake? Quake 3? Craft? Railroad Tycoon II? Check out linuxgames.
Besides, my favorite is still xgalaga.
--Wes
Well, are you using Visual Studio 6.0, IE 5.0 and Office 2000? I believe his point was that order very much matters on installing these things because some installations rewrite system files without checking to see if it's a later version, and without prompting you to replace them. My big problem is that they even replace these files through app installs. If you're just using NT with SP5, you can get it to work just fine. Try adding in a few random other microsoft products, though.
Installations are permutable. Order matters.
Raelin
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