Or they'll just call your logs inadmissible evidence, you could've pulled them out of your ass.
You mean like the RIAA and Mediasentry have been doing for several years now? Courts don't seem to have any problem accepting their fabrications as fact.
Globally, good sir, not locally. It takes time, luck, and large amounts of money to make governments cooperate.
Not if the desired result is oppression, subjugation, or just making people's lives miserable. That's what they all want to do anyway, even if the individual leaders/politicians won't admit it.
Although I doubt you'll be able to withhold password from the FBI, they'll get it from you or you'll rot in jail anyhow.
I remember that case was from a Slashdot story: the guy was allegedly observed viewing child pornography by a pair of Customs agents. They confiscated his laptop, but the idiots let him close the lid or power it down (I forget which.) He'd encrypted the drive, and when the agents demanded his password he refused to turn it over. It went to court, and the judge ruled that law enforcement may not demand that, and that was that. So civil liberties aren't quite dead: I'd say it's still better to encrypt that not.
Although I doubt you'll be able to withhold password from the FBI
Store the data on a small partition, use login 'me', create user 'mike' with UID 0/group wheel/sudo-added user, let mikes shell write/dev/random onto said partition + over-write partition table in the background and overwrite and remove the shells rc-file?
Maybe they don't login. What do I know:)
Put an explosive charge within the HDD.
I'd recommend thermite instead. You don't want to kill anyone: that just puts you into a whole 'nother category of criminal (unless you can successfully blame the explosion on a defective battery!) All you want to do is melt the drive into slag.
Slashdot, where the "entertainment wants to be free" corps give thieves tips on how to better perpetrate scumbaggery. Nice.
First off, I'm not a member of this imaginary "corps" of yours, and secondly, this discussion has nothing whatsoever to do with entertainment and third, I didn't even recommend a top-of-the-line solution. Besides, the point I was making was that the guy was an idiot.
Not to stray too far off-topic, but your comment shows a certain lack of insight into the subject of copyright infringement, so you might want to get up to speed on that before jumping in again.
Although I doubt you'll be able to withhold password from the FBI, they'll get it from you or you'll rot in jail anyhow.
Probably not. The most recent Federal ruling on that topic of which I am aware was very clear: the judge said that passwords are off-limits if they're in your head. Just don't write them down: then they're fair game for a legal search.
We're getting to the point in the US that the only thing we make is processed food.
Not even that, maybe. In my local supermarkets I have been seeing more and more food that comes from China. Apparently it's more profitable for our food producers to sell food made here overseas, and import food to sell to us.
Why is this a criminal offense? Seems to me it's an internal problem within Ford that they trusted untrustworthy people. I could understand Ford taking him to court for damages numbering in the millions of dollars, but why is the enforcement agency of the federal government (the FBI) involved in this matter?
I think you just answered your own question. "damages numbering in the millions of dollars." If they say the documents were worth what they probably are worth, the Feds most likely wouldn't take an interest.
This has happened before. A few decades ago, some youthful crackers logged on to a Bell System server and downloaded some documents. The phone company immediately brought in law enforcement, claiming the documents were worth (if memory serves) some fifty grand. That was to interest the Feds: below a certain point they don't care. Personally, I think the cops ought to charge the company execs who make such outrageous claims.
In this case, it turned out that anyone could call up and order said papers for a few bucks. But the phone company wanted to make an example, so they lied to the cops.
That's probably an inflated value. When companies get burned like this, they generally vastly overstate the value of the stolen goods.
and shared them with his new employer: the Chinese division of a US rival of Ford's.
Hello boys and girls. Can you say "tip of the iceberg?" I knew you could.
He faces five to six years in prison and a $150,000 fine (PDF).
Good. And before we judge if that seems too harsh a punishment, I would ask if anyone knows what the Chinese government would do to an American engineer who did the same thing to a Chinese company.
For this reason, I will never use Facebook as my primary email platform. It simply does not have the same trust as email (which itself has a fairly low level of trust because of the ease of spoofing). And I know that most of my friends (even those who are not particularly technically inclined) know this also. So unless Facebook massively improves their security story, they will not supersede email.
This guy deserves a few mod points. I don't have any, or I'd bump him up myself.
My friends no longer tell me to "Google" something that comes up in a conversation. They just post the link with a description of why they might like it to their profiles.
Also doom needs a good remake and not the doom3 mess we got.
Yes, and of the Build Engine games, don't forget the original Blood. Both of those two kept me busy for far too often, far too late in the evening.
JonoF did a couple of nice windows ports of Duke Nukem and Shadow Warrior some years ago. Game play was remarkably close to the originals (better in many ways.) I wish he'd done Blood as well. That game was amazing. "You're going to need a bigger boat."
Nothing would be more satisfying than a remake of Jedi Knight that let's gamers slice Jar Jar to bits in multiplayer.
You just wrote "Nothing would be more satisfying than a remake of Jedi Knight that let is gamers slice Jar Jar to bits in multiplayer."
Better yet, give me a Jar Jar level whose only objective is to hunt that little bastard down and kill him, over and over, and over again. I don't think I would ever get tired of that. Lucas old pal, I not only want those hours of my life back, I want my money back too.
Nothing would be more satisfying than a remake of Jedi Knight that let's gamers slice Jar Jar to bits in multiplayer.
You just wrote "Nothing would be more satisfying than a remake of Jedi Knight that let is gamers slice Jar Jar to bits in multiplayer."
That's not the most important part. Why limit it to multiplayer? Let it be in single-player so I can restart the level at will, and enjoy slicing Jar Jar to bits as often as I please.
Get a grip. Wikipedia allows anonymous editing.No laws are being broken. Stop taking yourself so seriously. It's *not* becoming, and really, you look like a fool.
Oh, and next time you quote me, don't take it out of context. That makes you look like a fool for misrepresenting someone else's statements. What I actually said was: "A little jail time might be in order as well, depending upon where he happens to hail from."
Like it or not, some places in this world are far less tolerant than others.
I am not a lawyer either. I suspect that there are no laws broken by the vandalism itself; depending on what he or she posts that might be breaking the laws in some countries.
Well, the state of computer crime law in the United States is a far cry from what it was even a decade ago. You can get in trouble with the Feds nowadays for far more innocuous activities. A few years ago, I remember an article about a Good Samaritan who noticed that a company had left a directory of confidential-appearing Word docs exposed on its FTP site. All the man did was report that to the head of IT at this company. Rather than offering a "Gee, thanks man, appreciate it", the bastard immediately reported our Samaritan to the FBI as a "hacker", and the poor guy was promptly arrested for his "crime".
I'm presuming the IT person did it to cover his own ass for gross incompetence. Regardless, it doesn't take much under current law to get you in deep shit, if you do anything untoward with somebody else's computer... or even if you don't.
Interesting, you just showed a new use for long-term storage in banking safety deposit boxes.
That, and a business opportunity for any company that can come up with a anti-nuclear-device safety-deposit-box scanning system for banks. Now, it doesn't have to actually work, you understand, but it helps if it looks like it does.
An option to automatically generate nude images of bank patrons would be a definite plus.
Slashdot Mirror
The "once secrete" part of the story should have indicated that this has been around a long time before we started talking about it.
Yeah, there are definitely some secretions involved in the passing of this particular law.
Or they'll just call your logs inadmissible evidence, you could've pulled them out of your ass.
You mean like the RIAA and Mediasentry have been doing for several years now? Courts don't seem to have any problem accepting their fabrications as fact.
Terrorism is modded "insightful"?
No. Terrorism is when one group of people uses fear of death and dismemberment to alter the behavior of another group.
I doubt the GP wants to change these people. He just wants them dead. So it would be more correct to ask, "Mass murder is modded 'insightful'?"
Planned? Hasn't it happened in the UK?
Globally, good sir, not locally. It takes time, luck, and large amounts of money to make governments cooperate.
Not if the desired result is oppression, subjugation, or just making people's lives miserable. That's what they all want to do anyway, even if the individual leaders/politicians won't admit it.
Although I doubt you'll be able to withhold password from the FBI, they'll get it from you or you'll rot in jail anyhow.
I remember that case was from a Slashdot story: the guy was allegedly observed viewing child pornography by a pair of Customs agents. They confiscated his laptop, but the idiots let him close the lid or power it down (I forget which.) He'd encrypted the drive, and when the agents demanded his password he refused to turn it over. It went to court, and the judge ruled that law enforcement may not demand that, and that was that. So civil liberties aren't quite dead: I'd say it's still better to encrypt that not.
Although I doubt you'll be able to withhold password from the FBI
Store the data on a small partition, use login 'me', create user 'mike' with UID 0/group wheel/sudo-added user, let mikes shell write /dev/random onto said partition + over-write partition table in the background and overwrite and remove the shells rc-file?
Maybe they don't login. What do I know :)
Put an explosive charge within the HDD.
I'd recommend thermite instead. You don't want to kill anyone: that just puts you into a whole 'nother category of criminal (unless you can successfully blame the explosion on a defective battery!) All you want to do is melt the drive into slag.
Slashdot, where the "entertainment wants to be free" corps give thieves tips on how to better perpetrate scumbaggery. Nice.
First off, I'm not a member of this imaginary "corps" of yours, and secondly, this discussion has nothing whatsoever to do with entertainment and third, I didn't even recommend a top-of-the-line solution. Besides, the point I was making was that the guy was an idiot.
Not to stray too far off-topic, but your comment shows a certain lack of insight into the subject of copyright infringement, so you might want to get up to speed on that before jumping in again.
Although I doubt you'll be able to withhold password from the FBI, they'll get it from you or you'll rot in jail anyhow.
Probably not. The most recent Federal ruling on that topic of which I am aware was very clear: the judge said that passwords are off-limits if they're in your head. Just don't write them down: then they're fair game for a legal search.
We're getting to the point in the US that the only thing we make is processed food.
Not even that, maybe. In my local supermarkets I have been seeing more and more food that comes from China. Apparently it's more profitable for our food producers to sell food made here overseas, and import food to sell to us.
A duck can't even carry a coconut without sinking.
No, but a swallow can.
Does it spit?
Why is this a criminal offense? Seems to me it's an internal problem within Ford that they trusted untrustworthy people. I could understand Ford taking him to court for damages numbering in the millions of dollars, but why is the enforcement agency of the federal government (the FBI) involved in this matter?
I think you just answered your own question. "damages numbering in the millions of dollars." If they say the documents were worth what they probably are worth, the Feds most likely wouldn't take an interest.
This has happened before. A few decades ago, some youthful crackers logged on to a Bell System server and downloaded some documents. The phone company immediately brought in law enforcement, claiming the documents were worth (if memory serves) some fifty grand. That was to interest the Feds: below a certain point they don't care. Personally, I think the cops ought to charge the company execs who make such outrageous claims.
In this case, it turned out that anyone could call up and order said papers for a few bucks. But the phone company wanted to make an example, so they lied to the cops.
The FBI seized his Beijing Automotive-issued laptop, and an analysis found 41 stolen Ford specification documents on the hard drive.
Dear "Mike",
When you get out, and if you decide to again play industrial spy, try this
valued at between $50 million and $100 million
That's probably an inflated value. When companies get burned like this, they generally vastly overstate the value of the stolen goods.
and shared them with his new employer: the Chinese division of a US rival of Ford's.
Hello boys and girls. Can you say "tip of the iceberg?" I knew you could.
He faces five to six years in prison and a $150,000 fine (PDF).
Good. And before we judge if that seems too harsh a punishment, I would ask if anyone knows what the Chinese government would do to an American engineer who did the same thing to a Chinese company.
Meet you in New Zealand. First round's on me.
See you there!
For this reason, I will never use Facebook as my primary email platform. It simply does not have the same trust as email (which itself has a fairly low level of trust because of the ease of spoofing). And I know that most of my friends (even those who are not particularly technically inclined) know this also. So unless Facebook massively improves their security story, they will not supersede email.
This guy deserves a few mod points. I don't have any, or I'd bump him up myself.
My friends no longer tell me to "Google" something that comes up in a conversation. They just post the link with a description of why they might like it to their profiles.
Ah yes ... but where did they find that link?
The more data you feed into FB the more targeted the AD's they can display for you.
So true. My answer to that was ... not to feed them anything.
Shadow Warrior
Also doom needs a good remake and not the doom3 mess we got.
Yes, and of the Build Engine games, don't forget the original Blood. Both of those two kept me busy for far too often, far too late in the evening.
JonoF did a couple of nice windows ports of Duke Nukem and Shadow Warrior some years ago. Game play was remarkably close to the originals (better in many ways.) I wish he'd done Blood as well. That game was amazing. "You're going to need a bigger boat."
What? didn't you ever play Red Rampage?
No, but I played Redneck Rampage until my fingers were too sore to play anymore.
You just wrote "Nothing would be more satisfying than a remake of Jedi Knight that let is gamers slice Jar Jar to bits in multiplayer."
Better yet, give me a Jar Jar level whose only objective is to hunt that little bastard down and kill him, over and over, and over again. I don't think I would ever get tired of that. Lucas old pal, I not only want those hours of my life back, I want my money back too.
You just wrote "Nothing would be more satisfying than a remake of Jedi Knight that let is gamers slice Jar Jar to bits in multiplayer."
That's not the most important part. Why limit it to multiplayer? Let it be in single-player so I can restart the level at will, and enjoy slicing Jar Jar to bits as often as I please.
A little jail time might be in order as well
Get a grip. Wikipedia allows anonymous editing.No laws are being broken. Stop taking yourself so seriously. It's *not* becoming, and really, you look like a fool.
Oh, and next time you quote me, don't take it out of context. That makes you look like a fool for misrepresenting someone else's statements. What I actually said was: "A little jail time might be in order as well, depending upon where he happens to hail from."
Like it or not, some places in this world are far less tolerant than others.
I am not a lawyer either. I suspect that there are no laws broken by the vandalism itself; depending on what he or she posts that might be breaking the laws in some countries.
Well, the state of computer crime law in the United States is a far cry from what it was even a decade ago. You can get in trouble with the Feds nowadays for far more innocuous activities. A few years ago, I remember an article about a Good Samaritan who noticed that a company had left a directory of confidential-appearing Word docs exposed on its FTP site. All the man did was report that to the head of IT at this company. Rather than offering a "Gee, thanks man, appreciate it", the bastard immediately reported our Samaritan to the FBI as a "hacker", and the poor guy was promptly arrested for his "crime".
... or even if you don't.
I'm presuming the IT person did it to cover his own ass for gross incompetence. Regardless, it doesn't take much under current law to get you in deep shit, if you do anything untoward with somebody else's computer
So, the next time it seems a political argument is entrench -- consider that it may be far more entrenched then anyone realizes.
In other words, when it comes down to nature vs. nurture ... sometimes nature wins.
Interesting, you just showed a new use for long-term storage in banking safety deposit boxes.
That, and a business opportunity for any company that can come up with a anti-nuclear-device safety-deposit-box scanning system for banks. Now, it doesn't have to actually work, you understand, but it helps if it looks like it does.
An option to automatically generate nude images of bank patrons would be a definite plus.