Good start. How much do you want to spend? Set up the "website" in a country with strong free speech, like the US. Have it be "owned" by a company in Antigua. Set up the authentication server that logs in users, verifies and keeps e-mail, and tracks IP addresses is a place with strong privacy laws and somewhat week data retention requirements, like perhaps Switzerland. Have it be owned by a company in Latin America under contract to the Antiguan company. Have you database server located in a free for all country like Russia or China with no data retention laws. Have it owned by another company in another free for all country. Have it ready to dump the database irretrievably it the auth server or website fails a set type of security check. To get to your data you will need to have 6 countries work together fast. How often is that likely to happen?
It looks like they are giving free software and support valued at the overinflated prices Microsoft gets for there product. Using this metric, Ubuntu is also donating $235 million to schools, students, businesses and people. (Support via Ubuntu Forums)
Reminds me of a batch file I wrote. It would start with a given pager number, and dial the next 100 numbers with the target number and (911) behind it. DDOS the bill collectors.:) Now no one has pagers...
And therein you have completely missed the point.
If you and I wish to communicate without AT&T eavesdropping on us, we can find a secure way to exchange our keys. I've never disputed that. How exactly do you purpose to securely exchange keys with the hundreds of peers that you will communicate with during the typical p2p session?
You are only thinking p2p and large. How about small, and FTP, or NFS, or SMB, or http for transfer? I have a VPN with three guys, and they have a VPN with three guys, and so on, and so on... It gets big fast, is untraceable, unstoppable, and still will have the latest whatever comes along. Eventually it will include someone on a real ISP with a unfiltered connection to The Pirate Bay, and it is all for not... Just more bandwidth used for the same traffic.
One more kinda important thing... It only mentions by name the older formats Microsoft is in the process of abandoning, like.doc which they blocked Office from opening recently. I see no mention of the new formats Microsoft is trying to ram down our throats. But I may have missed it... It is a kinda tough read.
Mind pointing out which section of that answers my question, because I don't see it? If you are transferring the keys across the internet then they are vulnerable to being intercepted and replaced with a different key. I fail to see how you stop this without a trusted source that can sign (or otherwise vouch for) the encryption keys used for that session.
How about the first paragraph... "Out-of-band is a technical term with different uses in communications and telecommunication. It refers to communications which occur outside of a previously established communications method or channel." Seeing as how this is a discussion about AT&T messing with stuff in the communication channel, I would think it was obvious. OOB communications would be a thumb drive, shipping a configured router, telling you the shared key over the phone (not AT&T phone), or a properly encrypted e-mail.
And the original poster was saying "I can imagine whole sub-networks cropping up that uses VPN, exchanging traffic with immunity to AT&T's traffic analysis." To me that says a small private network between a few friends where everyone shares there content. Something Like I have a VPN to John, Steve, and Bill's house, and we all have FTP servers open to each other.
All consumer providers will have the same issues. AT&T and Comcast will continue to try an top each other in screwing the customer. To avoid this, you will either need to go to a business class provider (like Logix or C-Beyond) and pay a lot more, or invest in encryption. I have several clients with all of the above services. At home I use AT&T, and I trust them about as much as i trust a crack addicted stripper.
No. IPSEC can use several methods, and key are exchanged out of band. (Or e-mailed if you are sloppy) Now PPtP, or the McDonalds of VPN, is less secure, but it is generally not used for router to router tunnels. IPSEC is, and it is supported in most commercial firewalls, and most FOSS firewall projects. (like m0n0wall)
Slashdot users are (often) some of the most well-informed and affected members of the community with regards to technology issues
You must be n... no, that's too easy. Try reading/. at -1 from time to time, you might reconsider your above statement after that.
Both are correct. We have some of the most well informed, and some of the biggest idiots around. I feel sorry for the FCC since the commenst section isn't moderated. No browsing at +2 for them.:(
"The Net" has never been neutral. Everyone who owned there bit did what they want. I remember voting on UDP for the ISP of Spamford Wallice back in the day. That sure as hell wasn't "neutral." However, it was open and transparent, which has never been a problem for Comcast.
I don't know, but I wish someone would slashdot my auctions. I have an old Cisco ISDN router to sell... Think I can get 10k?
"Net Neutrality" is the wrong term.
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I think "Net Neutrality" is the wrong term, because it allows people to twist the argument to the wrong thing. I am more concerned with network transparency, and honesty. Make them say what they are doing and why. This will keep the Comcasts of the world somewhat more honest...
There are lots of ways to put energy in a liquid that can move a car. The problem has been that they are not cheap. But since oil is no longer cheap, and associated from people who want to do us harm, the disincentive for alternative fuels is rapidly fading. Get ready to see gas from corn, grass, algae, recycled food, recycled plastics, and now CO2.
I know that may people may find this shocking, but Africa is not a country! Really! It is over 50 countries, and almost as many cultures. And believe it or not, some of the countries are not completely fucked up! However, a lot are, and they make better news...
You post a link to "Hot New Toy" on slashdot and one hour later it still has "6 available." Somehow I do not believe the inventory system is updated live...:)
Support. With Ubuntu, you have ubuntuforums.org which is the most noob friendly support forum I have ever seen, and can purchase support from Canonical.
With Fedora, you have to forums and lists which or noob predatory on occasions, and for support you have to reinstall.
There are some upgrade differences after 6 months as well, but those are minor compared to the above.
Most people out there just want something that works, and don't care to ever know how or why. Reseller Advocate http://www.reselleradvocate.com/ is a trade mag for (duh) Resellers. Last month, the "What Matters" column was "Stuff that Works." It was all about the non-workability of Vista contrasted with the workability of XP. Even Linux was mentioned (which is rare for that mag...) but with the phrase "Would it give Linux a chance to displace Windows?" The last line of the article is A quote of what is needed in the reseller industry. "Look, our top three OS choices get at least 20% higher 'it just works' score than the new Windows." This is really where Linux needs to look... People that don't care how, just that it works. That is most of the vendors, and most of the customers, weather we like it or not.
It gets better. Fedora is a "threat" to Ubuntu, but compared to Debian... He likes the "CodecBuddy" page, which looks a lot like the Ubuntu "Restricted Formats" page, but with less data in how to fix it free. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats He is a big fan of Pulse Audio, a feature he has not tried! As someone who was in the Gutsy testing, there is a damn good reason it is not default for everyone! This article had no content at all. Sounds like a press release from Microsoft.
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Good start. How much do you want to spend? Set up the "website" in a country with strong free speech, like the US. Have it be "owned" by a company in Antigua. Set up the authentication server that logs in users, verifies and keeps e-mail, and tracks IP addresses is a place with strong privacy laws and somewhat week data retention requirements, like perhaps Switzerland. Have it be owned by a company in Latin America under contract to the Antiguan company. Have you database server located in a free for all country like Russia or China with no data retention laws. Have it owned by another company in another free for all country. Have it ready to dump the database irretrievably it the auth server or website fails a set type of security check. To get to your data you will need to have 6 countries work together fast. How often is that likely to happen?
It looks like they are giving free software and support valued at the overinflated prices Microsoft gets for there product. Using this metric, Ubuntu is also donating $235 million to schools, students, businesses and people. (Support via Ubuntu Forums)
Reminds me of a batch file I wrote. It would start with a given pager number, and dial the next 100 numbers with the target number and (911) behind it. DDOS the bill collectors. :) Now no one has pagers...
And no one ever thinks about the most common use, command and control. Yet every phone maze has it now, and voice dial is on almost every cell phone.
No problem... Everyone here knows "God Blessed Texas" so it has to be a fake... ;)
I hope the enforce fake boobs on figure skaters as well... Fix that polar inertia advantage once and for all!
And therein you have completely missed the point.
If you and I wish to communicate without AT&T eavesdropping on us, we can find a secure way to exchange our keys. I've never disputed that. How exactly do you purpose to securely exchange keys with the hundreds of peers that you will communicate with during the typical p2p session?
You are only thinking p2p and large. How about small, and FTP, or NFS, or SMB, or http for transfer? I have a VPN with three guys, and they have a VPN with three guys, and so on, and so on... It gets big fast, is untraceable, unstoppable, and still will have the latest whatever comes along. Eventually it will include someone on a real ISP with a unfiltered connection to The Pirate Bay, and it is all for not... Just more bandwidth used for the same traffic.
One more kinda important thing... It only mentions by name the older formats Microsoft is in the process of abandoning, like .doc which they blocked Office from opening recently. I see no mention of the new formats Microsoft is trying to ram down our throats. But I may have missed it... It is a kinda tough read.
Mind pointing out which section of that answers my question, because I don't see it? If you are transferring the keys across the internet then they are vulnerable to being intercepted and replaced with a different key. I fail to see how you stop this without a trusted source that can sign (or otherwise vouch for) the encryption keys used for that session.
How about the first paragraph... "Out-of-band is a technical term with different uses in communications and telecommunication. It refers to communications which occur outside of a previously established communications method or channel." Seeing as how this is a discussion about AT&T messing with stuff in the communication channel, I would think it was obvious. OOB communications would be a thumb drive, shipping a configured router, telling you the shared key over the phone (not AT&T phone), or a properly encrypted e-mail.
Unless "out of band" means exchanged through some other path then AT&T then I fail to see how that helps us.
Wow... Just wow... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-band
And the original poster was saying "I can imagine whole sub-networks cropping up that uses VPN, exchanging traffic with immunity to AT&T's traffic analysis." To me that says a small private network between a few friends where everyone shares there content. Something Like I have a VPN to John, Steve, and Bill's house, and we all have FTP servers open to each other.
All consumer providers will have the same issues. AT&T and Comcast will continue to try an top each other in screwing the customer. To avoid this, you will either need to go to a business class provider (like Logix or C-Beyond) and pay a lot more, or invest in encryption. I have several clients with all of the above services. At home I use AT&T, and I trust them about as much as i trust a crack addicted stripper.
No. IPSEC can use several methods, and key are exchanged out of band. (Or e-mailed if you are sloppy) Now PPtP, or the McDonalds of VPN, is less secure, but it is generally not used for router to router tunnels. IPSEC is, and it is supported in most commercial firewalls, and most FOSS firewall projects. (like m0n0wall)
Both are correct. We have some of the most well informed, and some of the biggest idiots around. I feel sorry for the FCC since the commenst section isn't moderated. No browsing at +2 for them.
"The Net" has never been neutral. Everyone who owned there bit did what they want. I remember voting on UDP for the ISP of Spamford Wallice back in the day. That sure as hell wasn't "neutral." However, it was open and transparent, which has never been a problem for Comcast.
Outraged people bitch to the local elected talking head. Ignorant people calmly eat the slop they are given.
I don't know, but I wish someone would slashdot my auctions. I have an old Cisco ISDN router to sell... Think I can get 10k?
I think "Net Neutrality" is the wrong term, because it allows people to twist the argument to the wrong thing. I am more concerned with network transparency, and honesty. Make them say what they are doing and why. This will keep the Comcasts of the world somewhat more honest...
This difference is if I say?
"Wanna buy some crack? Just kidding..."
In one case I sold crack. In another I made a bad joke.
There are lots of ways to put energy in a liquid that can move a car. The problem has been that they are not cheap. But since oil is no longer cheap, and associated from people who want to do us harm, the disincentive for alternative fuels is rapidly fading. Get ready to see gas from corn, grass, algae, recycled food, recycled plastics, and now CO2.
I know that may people may find this shocking, but Africa is not a country! Really! It is over 50 countries, and almost as many cultures. And believe it or not, some of the countries are not completely fucked up! However, a lot are, and they make better news...
You post a link to "Hot New Toy" on slashdot and one hour later it still has "6 available." Somehow I do not believe the inventory system is updated live... :)
Where are mod points when I need them. This needs an insightful and an informative. And flamebait isn't right... Do we have a bomb-bait?
Support. With Ubuntu, you have ubuntuforums.org which is the most noob friendly support forum I have ever seen, and can purchase support from Canonical.
With Fedora, you have to forums and lists which or noob predatory on occasions, and for support you have to reinstall.
There are some upgrade differences after 6 months as well, but those are minor compared to the above.
Most people out there just want something that works, and don't care to ever know how or why. Reseller Advocate http://www.reselleradvocate.com/ is a trade mag for (duh) Resellers. Last month, the "What Matters" column was "Stuff that Works." It was all about the non-workability of Vista contrasted with the workability of XP. Even Linux was mentioned (which is rare for that mag...) but with the phrase "Would it give Linux a chance to displace Windows?" The last line of the article is A quote of what is needed in the reseller industry. "Look, our top three OS choices get at least 20% higher 'it just works' score than the new Windows." This is really where Linux needs to look... People that don't care how, just that it works. That is most of the vendors, and most of the customers, weather we like it or not.
It gets better. Fedora is a "threat" to Ubuntu, but compared to Debian... He likes the "CodecBuddy" page, which looks a lot like the Ubuntu "Restricted Formats" page, but with less data in how to fix it free. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats He is a big fan of Pulse Audio, a feature he has not tried! As someone who was in the Gutsy testing, there is a damn good reason it is not default for everyone! This article had no content at all. Sounds like a press release from Microsoft.