And the oceans have been rising faster than predicted. When you hear predictions like that you should pay attention to the time frame they're talking about. Current predictions for sea level rise by 2100 are in the 3-6 foot range.
I have been hearing that for 30 years, and all of them have been wrong. Actually living on the ocean helps to notice those things. I lived on a boat in a marina constructed in the 40's. Concrete piers... And mysteriously above water...
The real problems are smaller but still important like the desertification that is currently happening in places like Texas, Global warming increases average rainfall but also makes it more "patchy" and increases evaporation. Also how do you like hurricanes? Because increased surface temperature and sea level moisture directly drive stronger storms in the American "hurricane ally" http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/hurricanes-and-climate-change.html. How a bout a bit of malaria or Lyme disease ect, as increase temperatures will drive the movement of biting insects. Note that none of these are a global doom scenario but go tell a Texan farmer the drought was not important, even if they do not believe in global warming reality is not a matter of opinion and the pain it has caused them is very real.
Did you see my handle before choosing Texas? Yep, last years drought was bad. Very bad. And the wild fires were worse. At one point more land in Texas was on fire than the total amount of land in several north-eastern states. And it has happened before. And Ike was bad. Almost the same as Alicia in 1983. And we had a bunch of tropical storms for about 2 years... And the timing was dead on with El Nino... See, having actually lived in Texas for over 40 years, I know that the cycles we are in now are not outside the range of normal. For Texas... And this means absolutely nothing in relation to Global Climate Change. It is just Texas.
If you note in the comments, quite a few people were calling out Lovelock as not taken seriously by actual climate scientists. Doesn't seem to help your position all that well.
Of course. He is now going against the common "Truth" and must be ostracised. (In spit of the fact that his word was quoted as gospel last month...)
Shouldn't a major city/state be underwater by now? Shouldn't I not be able to go outside without a suit to protect me from the sun? Shouldn't we be getting snow in July in Atlanta? Or was it that it was never supposed to snow again? I just can't remember, because of all the crap I've been fed, on both sides of the debate, for decades now, there's just no way to determine the signal from the noise. And being a man of science, who needs to see evidence with my *own* two eyes of something before I believe it, without actually becoming a climate scientist myself, there's no way for me to determine who is right and who is wrong.
That was a nice, reasoned answer. Now get ready to be modded to oblivion for heresy against the AGW religion.
But how does bigger government help the Democrats?
The same way a bigger company helps a CEO; More power, and more projects to give to "friendly" contributors. Unfortunately, bigger government has been helping the Republicans a lot too...
There are know issues with the historical temperature sensors. Like a sensor that was in a field 30 years ago, now surrounded by asphalt parking lots. So, it is actually very likely to be incorrect, but there is no way to say how it is incorrect.
I just get a kick out of the people that want to "Save the Planet" by making reasoned argument "Troll" but may have a device or two on this list... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_power
It is observation of effects. Another term for it is science... They have proposed the same hypothesis for 30 years, and it keeps not being right. The temperature has risen a degree or two, and the seas have not.
I live in Houston. We are essentially at sea level, and close to Galveston which is on a barrier island. I have been hearing that Global warming will cause the seas to rise for 30 years. And yet the concrete piers in the gulf are still at the same level as they were 30 years ago. Real proofs like that make me sceptical of the doom and gloom predictions tossed around all the time.
Now go ahead and slaughter me for not posting this AC. I can spare the karma for people who disagree. Feel free to ignore that the science is really split on how the global feedback mechanism actually works. Feel free to ignore that the oceans have not risen and buried Houston, like they said they would for years...
No one actually sees what is really happening to the climate any more, just what political advantage they can get from it. Because of that it has become just noise.
I can cherry pick too... Like the deacon in Colorado that did stop a gunman with a legally carried gun. An armed populace does not guarantee that a passer-by will be able to stop a crime, but an unarmed populace guarantees that they will not.
Why do CEO's in this country think they are above everyone else, demanding excessive compensation and feel they can prevaricate with impunity when it suits their purposes?
Because people continue to give them excessive compensation, and they keep getting away with the lies... In other words, they believe that because it is true.
Every time it comes up, lots of people (myself included) always say that you just need a degree, it doesn't matter what in. This just proves it... Not in the way I intended what I said the above, but still...
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And the oceans have been rising faster than predicted. When you hear predictions like that you should pay attention to the time frame they're talking about. Current predictions for sea level rise by 2100 are in the 3-6 foot range.
I have been hearing that for 30 years, and all of them have been wrong. Actually living on the ocean helps to notice those things. I lived on a boat in a marina constructed in the 40's. Concrete piers... And mysteriously above water...
I was giving a stupid example to counteract his stupid example. At least mine was a box. His was only jars...
The real problems are smaller but still important like the desertification that is currently happening in places like Texas, Global warming increases average rainfall but also makes it more "patchy" and increases evaporation. Also how do you like hurricanes? Because increased surface temperature and sea level moisture directly drive stronger storms in the American "hurricane ally" http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/hurricanes-and-climate-change.html. How a bout a bit of malaria or Lyme disease ect, as increase temperatures will drive the movement of biting insects. Note that none of these are a global doom scenario but go tell a Texan farmer the drought was not important, even if they do not believe in global warming reality is not a matter of opinion and the pain it has caused them is very real.
Did you see my handle before choosing Texas? Yep, last years drought was bad. Very bad. And the wild fires were worse. At one point more land in Texas was on fire than the total amount of land in several north-eastern states. And it has happened before. And Ike was bad. Almost the same as Alicia in 1983. And we had a bunch of tropical storms for about 2 years... And the timing was dead on with El Nino... See, having actually lived in Texas for over 40 years, I know that the cycles we are in now are not outside the range of normal. For Texas... And this means absolutely nothing in relation to Global Climate Change. It is just Texas.
If you note in the comments, quite a few people were calling out Lovelock as not taken seriously by actual climate scientists. Doesn't seem to help your position all that well.
Of course. He is now going against the common "Truth" and must be ostracised. (In spit of the fact that his word was quoted as gospel last month...)
Shouldn't a major city/state be underwater by now? Shouldn't I not be able to go outside without a suit to protect me from the sun? Shouldn't we be getting snow in July in Atlanta? Or was it that it was never supposed to snow again? I just can't remember, because of all the crap I've been fed, on both sides of the debate, for decades now, there's just no way to determine the signal from the noise. And being a man of science, who needs to see evidence with my *own* two eyes of something before I believe it, without actually becoming a climate scientist myself, there's no way for me to determine who is right and who is wrong.
That was a nice, reasoned answer. Now get ready to be modded to oblivion for heresy against the AGW religion.
The side that is LYING!!
That would be both sides. At least some of people on both sides, and they get all the press.
But how does bigger government help the Democrats?
The same way a bigger company helps a CEO; More power, and more projects to give to "friendly" contributors. Unfortunately, bigger government has been helping the Republicans a lot too...
"That group of politicians are self-serving liars, but this group is benevolent and trying to help everyone!"
Where or where are mod points when you need them? Nicely said.
There are know issues with the historical temperature sensors. Like a sensor that was in a field 30 years ago, now surrounded by asphalt parking lots. So, it is actually very likely to be incorrect, but there is no way to say how it is incorrect.
If the current trend of an inch each hundred years keeps up, I'm pretty confident in humanity's ability to cope :)
Survive? Yes. Cope? I am not so sure... :)
Nicely said!
I just get a kick out of the people that want to "Save the Planet" by making reasoned argument "Troll" but may have a device or two on this list... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_power
It is observation of effects. Another term for it is science... They have proposed the same hypothesis for 30 years, and it keeps not being right. The temperature has risen a degree or two, and the seas have not.
The TSA is working on that...
I live in Houston. We are essentially at sea level, and close to Galveston which is on a barrier island. I have been hearing that Global warming will cause the seas to rise for 30 years. And yet the concrete piers in the gulf are still at the same level as they were 30 years ago. Real proofs like that make me sceptical of the doom and gloom predictions tossed around all the time.
The greenhouse effect creates conditions that will increase plant growth. This removes more CO2. You can TEST THIS YOURSELF.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse
Now go ahead and slaughter me for not posting this AC. I can spare the karma for people who disagree. Feel free to ignore that the science is really split on how the global feedback mechanism actually works. Feel free to ignore that the oceans have not risen and buried Houston, like they said they would for years...
No one actually sees what is really happening to the climate any more, just what political advantage they can get from it. Because of that it has become just noise.
I can cherry pick too... Like the deacon in Colorado that did stop a gunman with a legally carried gun. An armed populace does not guarantee that a passer-by will be able to stop a crime, but an unarmed populace guarantees that they will not.
Why do CEO's in this country think they are above everyone else, demanding excessive compensation and feel they can prevaricate with impunity when it suits their purposes?
Because people continue to give them excessive compensation, and they keep getting away with the lies... In other words, they believe that because it is true.
Actually, fraud may invalidate that parachute.
Or go into law... I mean selling a lie that well, he would make a fantastic lawyer!
Every time it comes up, lots of people (myself included) always say that you just need a degree, it doesn't matter what in. This just proves it... Not in the way I intended what I said the above, but still...
1 in 10 is 10%
Not in binary...
If I had points, I would throw an insightful at you.
Sorry... They were busy on dice.com...
Experience screwing you over is not exactly a resume builder to me.