> I haven't been keeping up to date but have the gnome ppl fallen behind?
I think so. Look at http://www.gnome.org/start/2.1/ to see the few disappointing new features of Gnome 2.2. Ok, the page states it's not complete yet but there will be nothing exciting added since Gnome 2.2 is now in feature freeze. Hell, even with their GEP procedure they failed to decide on and implement a new file-selector which Gnome people promised for Gnome 2.2 since the Gnome 2.0 release.
Repeat, KDE is no window manager but a desktop environment - kwin is the window manager. And why did they interview them? He has nothing new to say likely due to that he is not much involved in today's KDE development (3 CVS commits until today this year). The second representive stepped back from the interview because of low involvement but with 7 CVS commits this year he has even contributed more lately.
Read again, TrollTech doesn't earn anything with the GPL version. You don't have to pay anything to use KDE. And it was definitively not closed source when he chose it. The rest of your message is trolling too. Btw, once you work for TrollTech you don't seem to have much time to stay a active core developer. Most contributions of TrollTech employees to KDE are for KDE1 and up to KDE 2.0 in my opinion.
The GNOME Foundation steers, the kindest words for this, the GNOME development. KDE development is done by the community, the KDE league has nothing to say there. KDE development is very bazaar like. TrollTech doesn't earn anything because of KDE using Qt GPL version. And the League is open for new members. Your posting is full of FUD.
Read this insightful posting of Chris Schlaeger (SuSE distribution development chief) about KDE e.V. and KDE League. Note that new board members of KDE e.V. were elected recently, the RedHat employee is not in there anymore.
Why don't you trust the federal state Delaware to handle this correctly? Ok, after they charged a penalty by error - but they are the only one besides KDE e.V., because their trademark is used, and the payers who can request insight into the League's books.
Kylix? KDevelop? UML? KPresenter? Quanta? Kile? Scribus? KWord is better than Abiword (event doesn't know tables). And Mozilla and OpenOffice are not GNOME/GTK, don't believe the Gnome propaganda machine. And KMail is a mail program (which surprisingly has no PIM), compare it to Balsa and not other categories.
Requires registration for (security) updates. check Sends your installed packets list during online update. check Tries to send your hardware configuration and mount-points during online update. check
Doesn't sound this familiar from a much bigger company?
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> I haven't been keeping up to date but have the gnome ppl fallen behind? I think so. Look at http://www.gnome.org/start/2.1/ to see the few disappointing new features of Gnome 2.2. Ok, the page states it's not complete yet but there will be nothing exciting added since Gnome 2.2 is now in feature freeze. Hell, even with their GEP procedure they failed to decide on and implement a new file-selector which Gnome people promised for Gnome 2.2 since the Gnome 2.0 release.
Repeat, KDE is no window manager but a desktop environment - kwin is the window manager.
And why did they interview them? He has nothing new to say likely due to that he is not much involved in today's KDE development (3 CVS commits until today this year). The second representive stepped back from the interview because of low involvement but with 7 CVS commits this year he has even contributed more lately.
The fish-kioslave is new in KDE 3.1. For KDE 3.0 you have to install it seperately (search on http://apps.kde.com).
On SuSE, I have:
kcontrol (contains KDE and Yast2 modules)
Only 1 - seems that you have the wrong distribution.
SuSE's YOU only does 0.0.x updates, no 0.x ones. You will likely have to download the rpms for KDE 3.1, which SuSE will provide, manually.
Possible explanation: Mandrake 9.0 is gcc 3.2 based, Gentoo 1.2 not.
> Gentoo has that feature. Use the --pretend argument.
This gives you ebuild names, how do I get the archives names (and ftp server and full path) to download?
> From what I have heard Kword is crashorama
When did you hear this? Surely before the KOffice 1.2 release?
> Kile? Scribus?
freshmeat is your friend: LaTeX editor and DTP.
Please give examples what got discussed and decided secretly and presumably against common consensus. And what positions are to be appointed.
> The point is.. TrollTech would have been nobody without KDE. Maybe, nobody can tell without poor speculating.
Read again, TrollTech doesn't earn anything with the GPL version. You don't have to pay anything to use KDE. And it was definitively not closed source when he chose it. The rest of your message is trolling too. Btw, once you work for TrollTech you don't seem to have much time to stay a active core developer. Most contributions of TrollTech employees to KDE are for KDE1 and up to KDE 2.0 in my opinion.
The GNOME Foundation steers, the kindest words for this, the GNOME development. KDE development is done by the community, the KDE league has nothing to say there. KDE development is very bazaar like. TrollTech doesn't earn anything because of KDE using Qt GPL version. And the League is open for new members. Your posting is full of FUD.
Read this insightful posting of Chris Schlaeger (SuSE distribution development chief) about KDE e.V. and KDE League. Note that new board members of KDE e.V. were elected recently, the RedHat employee is not in there anymore.
Why don't you trust the federal state Delaware to handle this correctly? Ok, after they charged a penalty by error - but they are the only one besides KDE e.V., because their trademark is used, and the payers who can request insight into the League's books.
> KDE does have a problem with being too messy. The control center is way too messy.
How do you like the reordered control center of KDE 3.1 (I hope it was already in Beta2)?
Is it so difficult to look at their site for the member list?
Kylix? KDevelop? UML? KPresenter? Quanta? Kile? Scribus?
KWord is better than Abiword (event doesn't know tables). And Mozilla and OpenOffice are not GNOME/GTK, don't believe the Gnome propaganda machine. And KMail is a mail program (which surprisingly has no PIM), compare it to Balsa and not other categories.
The gnome-terminal gained multiple terminals in Gnome2. And KDE3 lost its support for GTK+1 themes.
What is the "KDE group"? Perhaps you mean parts of KDE community which don't intersect with all KDE developers?
Very true, some do like RedHat has invented the Linux desktop.
> it uses its own audio output
Pardon what? It's a sound daemon and afaik compatible to esound.
> Gnome and other applications that were formerly listed in its menus seem to have disappeared
Run kappfinder or complain to your distribution.
> KDE's drag-and-drop does not interoperate fully with non-KDE apps
Example? Btw which KDE version are you running?
> KDE flaunts many X11 conventions
I don't understand this, is this bad?
> If you try to start up a KDE application under a non-KDE desktop, it starts up big, noisy background processes.
Noisy? That's the price for an integrated environment.
> Under Debian, installing KDE automatically made kdm the default on my machine.
Blame Debian package maintainers, not KDE.
> KDE is probably due for a lot more cannibalization in the future.
You're a troll.
See this comment by KDE e.V. president Matthias Kalle Dallheimer about the rumours about the KDE League.
> No they don't require registration. You can freely download updates at will.
Manually? Or still with this tool? How?
> Gee that wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the need to know what packages are installed in order to do updates?
No. Look at how SuSE works: It pulls a list (not even from a central server, a mirror of your choice) what updates are available and checks locally.
The anon CVS server is back online (at least that's what I read).
Requires registration for (security) updates. check
Sends your installed packets list during online update. check
Tries to send your hardware configuration and mount-points during online update. check
Doesn't sound this familiar from a much bigger company?