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What To Expect From KDE 3.1
Moritz Moeller - Her writes "As most of you desktop users already know, the KDE Project recently released KDE 3.1beta2, which will be the final development release before KDE 3.1. The good news is, KDE 3.1 is scheduled for release in just a few weeks. The following page gives a nice overview about what is coming with many screenshots. It will certainly be the best KDE ever."
It's really a shame SuSE wouldn't wait for this release before shipping their product a couple weeks before. It truly has a large number of improvements over 3.0.x. Oh well, perhaps other distros listen to their users' wishes more?
Well, that's a relief. I was worried that the newest version would suck worse than all previous versions. *whew*
AND it looks more like Windows95? Awesome!
"It will certainly be the best KDE ever."
Better than the future releases? Woah, I must download that now.
i really want to thank all kde people for this great work. right now i am sitting here at home and switch from GNOME (cvs) to KDE (cvs). keep up the good work for this professional desktop. it's a cool useroriented, fast and quickly developed desktop. thank you all.
I'm usually seen going off on a tangent about how horrible XFree86 is, but all facts through and through; given the platform, XFree86
Using it since lunch. Every KDE release seems to get faster and faster. It's actually faster than fluxbox. F' plain window managers if full desktop environments are faster than them. F' twm.
Is there a box physically capable of opening a window in less than ten seconds in KDE now? More importantly, can MY box?
Wishful thinking, but I can always dream.
Danish != nationality
Andreas> P.S. Let's please be nice to each other, OK?
i think you are more of an amateur than them.
a) because you talk crap
b) you are probably a wannabe
c) see a) - c)
well... at least we won't have to wait too long to do a KDE-less install of RH8, then install KDE3.1 and skip the RH mangling part of it...
I hope they don't add just features but that they tune down the whole thing. All new apps in linux are getting more bloat now. Even the kernel has become unusable in older systems ( i know, new features require new hardware)
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Ever since the Alpha, I've been extatic about KDE 3.1. The interface is absolutely beautiful (Like Windoze XP and MacOSX got together and had a kid). My only hope is that Debian will get it up on apt within the next 5 or 6 months.
Is it just me or is the kde.org server extremely slow? Is this related to that downtime I heard about a few days ago?
Anyway, I do have to admit, KDE is one of the more attractive desktop environments - even better than WinXP (with its ugly green/blue combo - it don't work). I would use KDE as my main desktop environment, cause my favorite distro - Mandrake installs the d.e. by default. But I've never decided to use KDE (nor GNOME) because the two are extremely fat and slow on low-end systems. Even on my high end systems, I'd rather give up looks for power and speed.
Now this is looking to be a nice upgrade.. as a bit of an art junky I'm pleased at the nice amount of eye candy they're including.
Roll on the release date, I just hope this nicer front-end will appeal to those non-Linux users... we might have to start doing 'interviews' with people who have switched to Linux, redress the balance a bit!
Are you local? There's nothing for you here!
Mod this DOWN FFS. LOL
As most of you desktop users already know, the KDE Project recently released KDE 3.1beta2, which will be the final development release before KDE 3.1. The good news is, KDE 3.1 is scheduled for release in just a few weeks.
KDE 3.1, the strongest KDE release to date, promises new goodies for just about everyone who gets to enjoy the full KDE desktop experience. Here is a sampling of what is in store for you:
Browsing with Tabs. The many fans of tabbed browsing will be delighted by this new addition to the KDE web browser ( Konqueror ) (screenshot). To simplify downloading a large number of files, a new download manager (KGET), which fully integrates into Konqueror, has joined the network package (kdenetwork). It manages any number of downloads in one window, where transfers can be added, removed, paused, resumed, queued or scheduled. A dialog displays transfer status, including progress, size, speed and estimated time to completion.
Eye Candy. The artistically-inclined KDE contributors have showered us with a basket of new eye candy. As shown in this screenshot, KDE 3.1 will ship with the contemporary Crystal icon set as well as the original new Keramik theme. The screenshot also shows the new drop-shadows. To help manage these stunning themes, KDE will provide a new theme manager with improved theme style and color decoration previews (screenshot). Menus and other desktop windows can also use attractive drop shadows, as shown in the screenshot above.
Personal Information Management. On the PIM front, the email client ( KMail ) has gained several privacy and security enhancements - namely S/MIME, PGP/MIME and X.509v3 support - in collaboration with the Aegypten project, an IT security project sponsored by the German government (screenshot). The calendar / scheduling application (KOrganizer) features a new Exchange 2000 plugin. The address book (KAddressbook) has gained the ability to fetch contact information from one or more LDAP servers. It can also print contact information and import industry-standard vCards.
While not included in the 3.1 release, the next quantum jump in KDE's email / groupware architecture is scheduled for KDE 3.2, when KDE will ship a completely copy-lefted, integrated groupware system. Currently known as the Kroupware Project, it is being sponsored by the German government and will integrate the major KDE PIM applications (screenshot, screenshot). More about this project, and some additional screenshots, can be found on the dot. KDE 3.2 will also feature the ability to use Vim as the mail composer (screenshot).
File Management. The file manager (Konqueror) has a number of new goodies, such as folder icons which reflect a folder's contents, a video thumbnail generator and a number of plugins for providing enhanced- or meta-information about various file types (e.g., images, binary packages, source code). The file search utility can now search file meta-information for searching multi-media files.
Desktop Sharing. For those who switch work stations frequently, KDE offers a new VNC-compatible desktop sharing framework. It enables users to share a KDE desktop across multiple machines (screenshot).*
Enterprise. Enterprises, Internet cafes and similar users will appreciate enhancements to the KDE Kiosk framework (the Kiosk framework provides an easy way to disable certain features within KDE to create a more controlled environment). In addition, the panel (Kicker) now supports fully customized menus.
Multimedia. The multimedia framework (kdemultimedia) has a new video decoder based on Xine. Xine is a video framework which provides support for various video formats, such as AVI, DivX, Cinepak, Sorenson Video, MPEG 1/2 and 4, QuickTime / MOV, ASF and others.
Games. For the playful among us, KDE 3.1 will offer a number of new games in the games package (kdegames), including a golf game ( Kolf ) (screenshot), an Atlantik and Monopoly-type game ( Atlantik ), a Blackjack game ( Megami ). and a Same-like game ( Klickery ).
Ease of Use. A number of other improvements are meant simply to make the desktop easier to use and configure. For example, the application finder (KAppfinder) provides a nice tree view for selecting the applications to include in the KDE desktop menu hierarchy. Two new user notification methods have also been added for providing non-obtrusive informational messages: a passive popup window (KPassivePopup), which pops up next to the application's entry in the panel's taskbar (without stealing the focus), as well as messages which appear in an application's title-bar (KWindowInfo). In addition, the control center (KControl) has received a face lift and better organization (screenshot).
Miscellaneous. Of course work under the hood continues for KDE 3.1 as well. It provides a number of speed improvements, such as Konqueror start-up time, a number of usability enhancements by the KDE Usability Project, as well as almost 1,000 critter fixes.
More information about planned KDE 3 features is available for KDE 3.1 and KDE 3.2.
Some interesting KDE statistics: the KDE CVS source code repository consists of about 2.6 million lines of code (LOC) (for comparison, the GNU/Linux kernel version 2.5.29 consists of about 3.1 million lines of code). The KDE Project consists of hundreds of active contributors, with 300 of them translating KDE into over 70 languages (KDE 3.0.4 shipped in 51 languages). In May 2002 over 11,014 CVS commits were executed. The KDE website has 24 official mirrors in 16 countries and the KDE FTP site has 71 official mirrors in 30 countries.
The problem is a different people want to code by different ways. W32 world also has many widget libraries from different vendrors (Microsoft itself has multiple ones) which just _look_ the same. Psyche (RedHat 8.0) goes the same - already verified - way.
I don't know if they have fixed any of this yet, but historically kde and Gnome have been to hard to configure due to having too many configuration tools all named similar things.
I have problems getting the correct tool to configure things manytimes on the first try, it's no wonder new users have problems.
-Pete
Soccer Goal Plans
BFOH? WTF?
It is kind funny, though, that KDE is integrating a browser with the desktop environment. Back when Microsoft did that with Internet Explorer and Windows, they received a lot of criticism.
Don't get me wrong there - the guys in Microsoft are guilty for their monopolistic efforts to demote Netscape. The deals with the OEM integrators are shameful. But integrating the browser with Windows was a right option made by the IT staff.
I think you meant BOFH
No, I didn't gayboy.
Loved all the nifty graphics and crap on KDE3. Loved the cool new Konqueror functions. Thought it looked all perty (although it _was_ kinda like Windoze). Got mad at it one day and switched to wm2 [http://www.all-day-breakfast.com/wm2/]. Oh, BTW KDE3.x is about 10-20+ mb depending on what you want to get, wm2 is 32k! It's fun, and I feel like I'm back to being a hacker wannabe.
a t-he-does argument, last I heard (a couple of years ago) Linus' stance on the whole KDE vs. Gnome war was "Neither, I use FVWM." So there.
Of course, here comes my rant about the "Old times" (not that I've been around that long). I've used TWM, FVWM[2/95], OLVWM (Open Look-style), Window Maker, AfterStep, Enlightenment, KWM (from KDE) (not in that order) and now I'm using WM2. Back in the old days, (pre-"Desktop Linux" crap), most people used just window managers, not "desktop environments". And as the well-Linus-says-it-and-Linus-is-God-so-lets-do-wh
So, I'll probably download and check out KDE3.1 but in the end, nothing beats console/xterm on a nice easy wm like wm2 for getting real work done.
Did they finally fix all of the bugs from the 3.0 release? Have they made 3.x a little more backwards compatible from 2.x? I made the mistake of upgrading from 2 to 3 thinking that the KDE would upgrade all of my old desktops, configurations, settings, etc. - I was barely able to get my mail out of KMail, and I lost all of my filters and rules in the process. KDE may have a pretty face, but I think the development work so far ( ESPECIALLY the documentation ) is half-assed at best. At BEST.
Want to impress me? Probably not, but I'll tell you anyways; it's real easy: fix the bugs. Write real, useful, consistent documentation. Set up the KDE so that when the many, many programs that core dump do their usual crash I'm able to automatically send that to the KDE people without having to run a 20-minute wizard. Write your fucking desktop program so that people upgrading can do so seamlessly and painlessly - just because you give me an open source desktop doesn't mean you ignore everything else BUT the source code. bah
"On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog!" - a dog
Both KDE and gnome are excellent. Perhaps the two large teams of people in some 'competition' is the reason why.
The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
That damned distro still has KDE 2..
KDE 3 will be included in Debian at the time GNOME 5 and KDE 9 are being tested, in some 4-5 years (this is exacly the amount of time KDE is not seriously updated in Debian).
I'm not flaming Debian, I [still] use and love it, but I always get annoyed by the lack of updates.
Yeah, it's too bad their servers aren't nearly as fast under the
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i was a long time GNOME user that recently switched over to KDE. i don't want to start a flame here but i think people should know why i changed over. i am one of these persons that had high expectations into GNOME 2 but i was not really impressed the first time i loaded it up. i was following a lot of conversations on *.gnome.org mailinglists and saw that the future GNOME 2.x is targeted the 'untechnical new users'. with other words they target the 'no users desktop'. they are assuming a lot of never confirmed things about their users. things like "the user don't know what a window manager is" or "the user don't know what themes are" and similar things. some of them are sounding really offensive and make you think that the GNOME developer have a bad sense for their users. not to mention that nontechnical users never heard or know what linux is. it's a shame to see how they cripple their own GNOME into a pile of shit. a lot of people that i know of left GNOME in favour to KDE. personally i never thought that this may happen for me too but i recently left GNOME in favour to KDE and i feel really happy now. i finally have the feeling to be productive. i want to thank the kde people so much.
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here are some contexts to proof that i don't simply troll around for no reasons:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usabili ty/2002-October/msg00021.html
http://mail.gnome.
some people that got really fedup with GNOME 2.
http://galeon.sourceforge.net/g2ui.html
t his is called a GEP. GNOME 2 has a lot of these GEP's read the last paragraph and how they threaten users.
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum
one of the core developers of GALEON 2 (one of the few remaining ones) left.
historically kde and Gnome have been to hard to configure due to having too many configuration tools all named similar things.
I'm confused. Since at least 2.0 (Probably back to 1.x days, I hadn't used KDE then.) KDE has had exactly one control panel app, kcontrol. It's always been in the same place on the default KDE toolbar.
Similarly, Gnome has gnomecc which is one app, and I believe has been around since the 0.40.x days.
Where are these multitudes of configuration tools you speak of?
I'm not sure that the scenario is the same as Linux, though. Is MS Word pre-loaded into memory? Have you run it earlier today? Is it loaded to the point of usability? Is it just the splashscreen?
Can anyone corroborate this?
Funny, I've had talks with 2 guys who run BSD, (freebsd and one netbsd), and both just wanted KOffice, but didnt want to bother with the (their terms) Bloat of KDE. Both came back with the same argument, If I wanted that fluff, I'd run XP.
:)
These guys will spend hours tweaking the the look of window maker and not realize thats EXACT reason why people want KDE.
But KDE goes a step further to offer all the Glueware apps people want, remote desktop control, pim syncronizers, mime type GRAPHICAL file managers, and the other countless useability features they put into the desktop.
BTW, I'm super freaking happy Mosfet is BACK, and releasing a new Liquid engine/theme for KDE. This and the new XFT2 font anti-aliasing, I could do the happy dance.
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Distrowatch
Users can't simply be consumers and customers. They automatically get to be their own tech support, development, and quality assurance teams as soon as they start running an Open Source software package. Not only that, they get to be everyone else's team as well.
Then when anyone speaks up and says that they just want to be a user and couldn't care less about any Free Software agenda, they get bashed for being leeches on the Community.
Kinda like Windows 3.1 was the best Windows ever? :)
Here are a bunch of screenshots for your enjoyment while the current server is recovering...
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur
I wonder who at M$ was the one who decided to buy an ad for this story. Ah well, the sweet irony of clicking on an M$ ad in a KDE story thus generating additional revenue for /. :-).
I stole this Sig
The preferred term now is "People of swarth".
Please don't use that kind of language again, thanks.
As much as i like KDE i dont like the direction its taking. Personally i just want a working desktop that i can tweak and turn to my liking. What i dont want is applications and settings scattered all over and 10 ways to do the same thing. Integrating net enabled applications into the desktop is a sure way to bad security and should be avoided. Integrating everything and the kitchen sink has its disadvantage when it comes to bugs that are multi dimensional. They are very hard to find and sometimes impossible to fix without breaking stuff.
Kde should concentrate on doing a great desktop and stop from integrating applications deep down into the core. You can do the same things much more shallow and not at the expence of security. Soon KDE will be its own distribution and that cant be what they strive for.
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Yea, I keep wanting to like KDE (and Gnome) and always try out the newest versions, but somehow I always seem to end up back with Window Maker. It's fast, clean, stays out of my way, does what I need. I'm not knocking KDE, it's an impresive piece of work, but that's the great thing about Linux (or BSD) isn't it? You get to use what you want and not what Bill or Steve think you should use.
3.1 is just a stability release, im waiting for 3.2
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
First, I want to say that KDE has come quite a long way. I've used KDE from 1.0 through 3.0 and I really like a lot of the changes I've seen. Many of the changes have been for the good. Opening the code, Konqueror, SMB access, printing, Keramic, etc... The only problem is that a lot of the apps still have arse looking icons. As a rule icons today should be 32-bit color, 128x128 pixels with alpha blending. Some of the icons in Kaplan and Kmail look like they are from Windows 3.1. There are no transparent areas, etc... I kind of wish that someone would come up with a common framework for look and feel that works consistently throughout the environment. The icons in Kicker are awesome! But we need the same quality in the apps for the whole thing to have any real appeal. This is still where GNOME has KDE beat. The icons in GNOME are much nicer looking. Keep it up KDE hackers!! :)
Is another man's usability issue.
if so ? .... i like it ... i WANT it ... they made it and i happily donate for it...
I have a gripe regarding the theme used in this screenshot:
UI developers: please stop using curves in widgets and window decorations unless use can use alpha blending to make the edges of the curve look smooth. I'm sorry but monitor resolution just isn't sharp enough to make curves look good without alpha blending and anti-aliasing.
Windows isn't a desktop environment. It is an Operating System and has been since Windows95. KDE is not OS. You can do anything you want on a Linux box without a browser (and KDE). You can't say the same about Windows.
I put up a mirror of the piece on our server at OfB.biz. Hopefully that will help since the promo.kde.org server is unavailable right now.
HTH,
Tim
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"You would not get a high grade for such a design" -- Andy Tanenbaum on Linus' Linux design.
Gnome to KDE: Mission Accomplished, Convert Thrilled
He's slightly right. In the current GNOME, sawfish-ui (the control center for Sawfish) has for some unfathomable reason seceded from the GNOME Control Center.
Win dain a lotica, en vai tu ri silota
Because a GNU/Linux distribution consists of a huge number of independently developed components, there will always be some cool new upgrade to some important package that comes out just a bit too late to make the cut. In many cases, "too late" can mean "two months before ship date", or even more, for any distributor who bothers to do testing before shipping. Waiting doesn't help, because then someone else upgrades their package, and so on. GCC, XFree86, Gnome, KDE, Apache, mysql, etc. all have their own schedules.
In any case, if 3.1 has cool new stuff, you may want to wait until 3.1.1 for the bugs in the cool new stuff to be fixed. This is no shot at KDE, the same is true for all other big projects.
KControl still has some issues. Some of the modules have similar names and functions. For example, there are two named Panels. Both do things related to the panel. Particularly for new users, it could be very confusing if you look at one, and don't find what you're looking for, since you may not assume that there is another module of the same name in another category for what you want. Also, some of the more advanced features still require editing the text files.
You are not alone.
I have recently become interested in the GNU/Linux operating system. I am very impressed by its clarity and utility. However, I would like to learn how to hack it as an academic exercise. Could someone give me any information on hacking GNU/Linux?
3y3 \/\/0u7d 71|1.!>1 T377 me now or j00 sux0r teh manham.
KDE 3.2 will also feature the ability to use Vim as the mail composer
But will EMACS 21.3 feature the ability to use KDE as the window manager?
please wait until i finish doing your mom...
can you browse your files w/ tabs or just web pages?
i would love tabbed based directory browsing, especially if they could do the photoshop combining tabs into windows thing (of course then Adobe sues them)
ah if only my C was better (or any good at all) i'd give it a shot myself...
Is it just me who thinks Mandrake dumping all the KDE libs into the big garbage pail that is their /usr/lib and all KDE header files into /usr/include without subdirectories a big mistake?
It makes upgrading KDE a nightmare.
I'm going to hold off until 'KDE 3.1 For Workgroups' is released. that way I can share my files and connect to a network.
There aint no pancake so thin it doesn't have two sides.
Do you have any sugar?
Get some hardcore professionals to make icons that do not suck.
Nothing looks worse than crap fonts and shit icons.
plus its early in the gnome 2.1 development. I'm not so ready to give up.
The best education consists in immunizing people against systematic attempts at education. - Paul Feyerabend
I've noticed two major trends in Linux development lately. First, developers are finally recognizing the power of MS Office file format compatibility and Exchange server interoperability. More importantly, they seem to be ignoring the traditional Linux "what is right" approach of stability and security before features and eye candy. Ironically, it may be the latter that finally allows Linux to win the desktop.
I agree
OK, OK, it's a bad pun/joke, but I hadn't seen it yet, and you've got to admit, there are better names they could use.
Comment forecast: Bits of genius surrounded by a sea of mediocrity.
dang. you are right. ROX rocks. it rules my world. It's fast, neat. snazzy. wowzer. HuzzAH!
Who is this Anonymous Coward character, how does he post so much, and why is he always such a whore?
The interface it totally off (IMHO) compared to RedHat's BlueCurve theme. Buttons and icons need some work so that if feels more sleek.
Also, KDE should decide if they want a start menu or a application dock. Having both just doesn't look right.
Final thoughts...
KDE 3.1 looks like Mac OS X, Windows XP, and Windows 95 got together and had one ugly ass kid. I couldn't even begin to imagine a Beowulf of these.
Plus admin tools that affect the whole system and do
scary things users don't understand:
Disk Partitioning
User Management
Boot Loader
I don't like "Non-gnome apps (KDE et al)" - basically I think we
should either merge the KDE apps into the main menus or not display
them at all. Users don't care about KDE vs. GNOME.
- Havoc
Users might care about the speed hit associated with starting up a KDE app
when running all Gnome. If users don't know what Konqueror, Mozilla and
Galeon are, except that they're browsers, they might pick one at random
and, for their intents and purposes, pick the one that gives them the
slowest start-up time. It's the desktop's job to protect users from
- Thomas
The point about C is that users don't install the OS, or install their
own hardware, or have to configure NFS mounts, etc. There's an admin
to sort that stuff out.
- Havoc
I think the use of the GNOME footprint as a starter button for the GNOME menu is
a very powerful tool, both within the context of a quick access route to all
menus in the desktop, and as a way of reinforcing the GNOME identity. As Liam
says, users don't necessarily need to know beforehand that the GNOME Menu is
under the button. You would only need to use the footprint once in an
interactive way and you would know the trick. I think we should make as much
mileage as we can with the footprint, to build the GNOME identity. The trigger
for GNOME Menus is an inherently useful way that serves the purpose of the users
as well.
- Pat
my mom is one of dem ximian m0nKeyZ. they give good head. I love beastiality, and GNOME developers do too. Especially XIMIAN MONKEY SEX
I haven't really been following this religious debate, but i'm dying to know: is it the KDE/Gnome developers who are competing with one another or the KDE/Gnome users who are creating this illusion of competition by engaging in some stupid holy war over a GUI...
I guess people will fight over anything these days...
-- Jim
Sometimes pure logic brings us to conclusions that we may find difficult to accept. I know a lot of technically knowledgeable people are uncomfortable with the notion, but here it is: KDE (and other Open Source software, of course) is an enormous act of love.
Open Source software is people working for the benefit of other people. That's love and love is beautiful.
Okay, those who wish can go back to feeling negative or cynical.
KDE just started a forced-upgrade system.
Get the beta now before the forced upgrade system goes into effect. Turns out that they switched to this system after losing a round of poker with a man known only as Bill G. No idea who it is.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
Well, if the whole KDE copying Windows thing is not obvious enough as it is, now they have KDE 3.1, soon there will be a KDE 3.11 bug release, and then KDE 3.2 will be unofficially labelled KDE for Workgroups (ie groupware updates, Exchange integration etc).
"KDE. What do you want to copy today ?"
Erm, nix that, SP1.
It'll never fly on the desktop in the US if it won't do US Letter-size printing. AbiWord does, so that's what I use for everything that needs printed. And please, make KOffice apps work with inches instead of silly millimeters... all our paper is 8-1/2 inches x 11 inches, and all our rulers are in inches.
And how about a decent graphics package? Can all those goddamned little pop-up windows in the Gimp suck any worse? The KPaint package reminds me of MS Paintbrush that I got with my 286/12, but without all the features PaintBrush had. If PaintShopPro was available for Linux, and if the KDE apps would fucking print, I wouldn't have to boot Windoze ever again. Until then...
It's HIDEOUS! It looks just like Aqua and WinXP... the cartoony graphics of one and the cycle-wasting interface of the other... rolled into one bloated package. When did KDE move from being the K Desktop Environment to the K Deskop Everything?
Not to be overly harsh on KDE - it's a wonderful environment and has been great to use the past few years (about three, I want to say). However, the feature-bloat is simply getting on my nerves. I mean c'mon... it's a DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT... both KDE and GNOME have complete VFS layers in them, along with more prepackaged doodads than you can shake a stick at.
That said, it's time for me to find a new desktop-environment... no, what I really want is just a window manager again. Anybody got some recommendations? I think I'm going to check out Enlightenment.
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Its a shame to have such stupid idiot such as You making comment, If you whant beta software that are called final use Microsoft product, Otherwise , Linux come out when its ready , and
SuSe already as package ready for download of this version
http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.1be
you whant to use them everyday go ahead , dont make stupid comment base on your cluelessness nobody is forcing you to buy 8.1 or use SuSe
I didn't mean it to be flamebait. I knew it would happen, but I still didn't mean it like that. I'm just stating my mind.
Danish != nationality
i agree wholeheartedly
The graphics have the disgusting look of XP.
They look childish, cartoonish.
It looks like it was designed with either little children in mind or simpletons. Probably both.
IF I try it, I will NOT be using the childish looking gui.
I have a serious dislike of M$ products, why would I want my Linux to LOOK like M$???
This is a poor choice in skins/themes and should be deep sixed!!
I've used a number of pre-compiled KDE rpm builds from SuSE over the years. Some of them absolutely fly, some are as sluggish as hell. KDE performance is significantly affected by how good or bad a job the packager does of compilation, and whether or not the options chosen suit your architecture (Intel/AMD). Consequently, I will only trust a speed comparison now between installations that are freshly compiled the same on the same system.
The GNOME folks have made some decisions and have justified those decisions.
So you disagree with them, is it really such a big deal that they aren't targeting their work at you? Does everything have to be about you?
By and large the GNOME folks seem pragmatic and thoughtful about the whole thing. To quote Havoc: Basically I think their approach is sound. They are creating a simple, stable, usable desktop environment. If you want to add complexity on top of that as a user (by choosing a different Window manager, or using a tweakui style addon that manipulates configuration options that are normally hidden) then fine, you can do that.
It is much easier to start simple and add complexity than it is to start complex and add simplicity for those that crave it.
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To simplify downloading a large number of files, a new download manager (KGET), which fully integrates into Konqueror, has joined the network package (kdenetwork). It manages any number of downloads in one window, where transfers can be added, removed, paused, resumed, queued or scheduled. A dialog displays transfer status, including progress, size, speed and estimated time to completion.
Does it come with the required bandwidth?
Since there has been much discussion of the "Linux on the Desktop" issue, I feel that the Kiosk framework will give KDE a real edge!
This is really what I miss when I try putting Linux boxes in an environment with computer illiterate users wanting to poke around. They try fiddling with the settings just as they do on the Windows boxes. Their fiddling around has been great for me as a admin since I've gotten a great argument for upgrading to later (more lockable) windows versions, thus not having to cope with the notoriously unsafe, crashing, generaly sucking Win9x boxes. Now I run Win2k locked down so that they hardly may move the mouse and I long for the day when I can get them to run Linux boxes without letting them fiddle around and come crying about some "lost icons" or something else.
I know I'll get slammed, but with every enhancement, KDE and GNOME become more like windows. New windows type features are added. Perhaps windows isn't so bad, otherwise why copy? If you can't beat them join them. Seriously, though, its good to see it becoming more polished, which Linux needs to gain ground on the desktop, most importantly than anything else, if Joe consumer cant enter a CompUSA and find a linux version for 95% of the software on the shelf, Linux will remain a niche OS forever.
Whoever thought developers from a Unix background understand good UI and design. It will take awhile for these to be hammered out. Thats foreign territory.
"BTW, I'm super freaking happy Mosfet [mosfet.org] is BACK, and releasing a new Liquid engine/theme for KDE. This and the new XFT2 font anti-aliasing, I could do the happy dance. :)"
Is this the same XFT2 that the KDE folks were chewing Red Hat out about?
While purely cosmetic, when will we have vector icons?
Name one function that the browser gets from the OS or any other system library that other apps don't get. If you can only answer that "Microsoft keeps it all secret" then just name one thing that the browser can do that other apps can't get to. Look at the import table on iexplore or the IE component shldocvw and try to find something "deep and mysterious." Referring to ghosts without evidence is a meaningless argument.
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How is this flaimbait?
succinctly: no.
Wow am I the only one who read this as: I'm using KDE since lunch and it just seems to get faster and faster. Damn whay does my version of ie do the exact opposite?
Or does this mean that there are new releases of redhat in the few hours since lunch
Hi !
Could anyone enlighten me on the exchange 2000 plugin which is supposed to be shipped out with this release. Just cannot seem to find any information on it...
When will KDE/Qt get Xft & fontconfig support? I recently switched from Debian to Redhat 8.0 only because of that support, fontconfig makes font support/management so much better. Add XFt2/fontconfig to KDE, Mozilla, OpenOffice and you have paved the road to desktop world domination.
~ Sam
From the screenshots on that page, KDE has certainly seemed to undergone a much needed default theme upgrade, to bring it in to par with the look of the other 2 modern OS's (windows XP and Mac OS X). The only thing is though that everytime a new KDE comes out I remeber having liked the great new look in screenshots I saw only to find that the look was due to some hard to find (and even harder to install) theme and the theme put on by default was the same out-dated grey, Windows 95 style one. I just hope that THIS time a new stylish theme like the ones in the screenshots is put on by default.
I am very happy with Debian, and I am not writing this to troll, but I don't understand this trend about private repositories. So I was hoping that someone with more insight than me could explain it to me :)
Too bad Red Hat will probably rip the guts out of it, if they even package it at all.
Bero is right. RH 8.0 sucks on the desktop (note: i've no problems with its runlevel 3 type stuff).
Please, please, please, Red Hat, just package the software, don't emasculate it, dumb it down, "Red Hat-ize" it; just package it, and let US make the choices.
I'll be keeping an eye on how things go with 8.1; until then, I'm sticking with 7.3. If this trend continues, it's goodbye Red Hat, for good.
Sadly, I seem to be in the minority. I REALLY don't see how anyone can like (or even use!) the thing though. 8-(
if i'm a grammar nazi, you're an illiteracy nazi.
It's from the KDE 1.x days. The icon in the article page is much nicer
It's difficult for many people to believe, isn't it? But, do you see any other logical explanation?
I used to be a devoted KDE guy (and still would use it), but I run a bunch of diskless terminal for my school, and it is way too heavy ( something like 150Mb per client). Instead, I am using ice wm because it rarely even appears on "top" and I can lock everything out of my kids hads really easily:they have six things on the menu and no opprtunity for a teminal. Rocks, and the six terminals run off of one measely Duron 850 with 256Mb
Put identity in the browser.
And in the darkness bind them.
Haven't you listened to all the pundits?
to have linux conquer the world we need no choice. We need one desktop, one set of applications, and all developers resources poured into that handful of applications.
We also need it to look familiar, so as not to scare away any PHB's, or mom's, or trained monkeys.
What does this imply? Cloning Windows, and not letting the user change anything, because someone seeing an altered desktop might get scared of their own.
Everybody that is anybody says this. Just read LJ.
On mandrake, I have to chose between:
linuxconf
kcontrol
Mandrake Control Center
Only 3 - but enough different tools
On SuSE, I have:
kcontrol (contains KDE and Yast2 modules)
Only 1 - seems that you have the wrong distribution.
Joe-Bob says: Check it out. (Your memory, that is.)
Yeah, clicking the ruler changes things to inches, but the margin sets are still in millimeters. And despite setting the thing to print US Letter, it insists on using A4 size, which screws up the output. And yes, I know it was written by Europeans who all use metric, but it would be so cool if the inch stuff would really work for us evil Yankees. Having the defaults set for inches wouldn't help much if the software refuses to print in inches.
Well I lasted from 2.0 to 3.0, but I'm afraid it is time for me to change from KDE.
My problem is I want a sensible window manager. What I consider to be a sensible window manger is one that allows me to stop anything from stealing window focus.
The whole point of having a window manager is so that you can run multiple windows. If I'm typing something I expect my keystrokes to go to the currently selected window not to whatever self-important application that decides to raise itself and steal the focus.
I don't care if other windows are raised over my currently selected window, I simply want my keystrokes to go the window that I have explicitly focused on.
Otherwise I might as well only run one application at a time to ensure no random keystroke redirection and would hence have no need for a window manager.
You can make a web browser that does everything that IE does and which integrates with the OS in exactly the same way. You can make your own renderer and so on. I don't understand why you think that "file access" qualifies as being part of IE, but if you define it that way then ... yeah you can't build a web browser without "building it on top of IE." So there you go, but it doesn't get any special services from the OS that you can't use yourself.
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Isn't yast still proprietry?
Clearly YOU didn't read what *I* said. Yes you can do all of those things with your own program. You can replace the shell, you can respond to key sequences that include the "window key," and you can (trivially) replace the IE rendering component with your own and have yours be used throughout the system. Your last example is the weakest of all (eg: anything can browse the file system with a little bit of code).
... so when you get a filesystem view it picks the code that should handle showing filesystem objects, and when you get a web page view it picks the object that should handle the display of web pages (you can also add your own kinds of namespace objects and viewers -- this is what early FTP client developers did to integrate their FTP client software with the shell). If you want to replace this object with one of your own, just make a regular Win32 dll that exports your implementation of an object that supports the necessary COM interfaces. After that it's gravy.
... shells are expected to provide a lot of different services and if you want quick and easy extensions you'll just extend Explorer. Nonetheless, there are shell replacements for Windows that are very popular (in fact, I think that there's a Gnome shell replacement for Windows).
Here's how it works in a nutshell (I infer from your post that you don't know the details): the iexplore.exe file is a stub for Explorer. It used to be an executable on its own, but the "OS integration" changed that. Explorer defines a particular interface type to handle the shell namespace object that's selected in its little namespace explorer (the treeview usually shown on the left). Explorer keeps the CLSIDs of all of the COM objects that handle namespace object views in a particular location in the registry
Now, there is of course another issue in getting around Explorer altogether. This isn't hard in theory, but it requires you to write quite a bit of code (unless you want a light shell). However, this is natural
Let me know if you'd like more details. The documentation for all of this is available via Microsoft's MSDN library on the web.
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The ends are ape-chosen, only the means are man's. -- Aldous Huxley