OK, I've done GUI's and am usually totally anal about compliance, but here I have to agree with the post: the hard part is over.
You have here a free and native alternative for Office.
No money. People will use it if it is reliable. Because it's free. That's great!
Maybe, if the programmers want to have more people use it and everybody to stop bitching, yes, it would be a good - no, a great idea to make it more Mac-compliant, but they don't have to, really. They've already made it FREE.
People will be plenty happy already when the bugs and kinks are worked out.
So congratulations!
BTW, now please give us a free and easy (meaning no coding) database program and we're in HEAVEN!
This test is not scientific. It doesn't compare the same hardware running the same software.
Duh.
The test is not fair. OS X is better optimized for 64bits.
So what.
The test is not "real world" enough, it only talks about graphical performance, 2D, 3D programs and games.
OK, acknowledged.
At the same time this is exactly the type of test *some* people have been waiting for. The other type of tests ("scientific" cough cough, "fair", "real world",...) have been polluting the Internet for some time now.
And now there's this little ditty of a test that is totally insignificant and at the same time totally pleasing for both camps (gaming crowd versus serious graphical apps).
What's wrong about that?
Incidentally, the problem with trying to cook up a good comparison is partly because there is not much of an equal offering in the PC camp. By this I mean a mass produced dual 64bit desktop machine. Instead of praising this innovative move and talking about the advantages and disadvantages, there was a lot of whining in the vine of "compare this with that server or that custom processor".
Which is of course just a bit ridiculous. Now you have about every comparison possible (Gooooogle for more) and still there's whining...
You saw the price comparison? The opteron was +$600.
Yeahyeah, you can buy cheaper PC's. Well, what do you know? You can also buy cheaper Macs. The cheapest mac btw won out on a price/feature comparison with other all-in-one machines (brand names, including ungggg Dell).
The mac premium, is that the amount of free software you get with the good hardware?
The only game I miss on the Mac is Dungeon Keeper II, for the rest, my PS2 does the trick.
"Marketing is the art of trickery and deceit to convince people to buy your product, much like dating and job interviewing."
That's a bit like stating: "Religion is the art of keeping people subdued while freeing them of their money and pensions."
True (and successful) marketing is the art of figuring out what people want, need and can afford. Then make it and target it to them.
Examples are Philips and Apple. Both companies are known to have made lemons, but most of their products make their customers (their target audience, not everybody on this planet) happy.
Well, OK, in the sense that the unprecedented side-effect of jesus was mass religion, you also have mass adoption of OSS on the bussiness end.
But in the end, the historical Jesus preached a stricter adherance to Jewish law, and the OSS movement preaches a "contribute and enjoy" sort of attitude towards a software platform.
That's still far away from a political system that wanted to do away with ownership, religion and kings by introducing a far fetched system of re-distribution (to put it simply). And just like the misunderstood Jesus, OSS is taken on a ride here.
Disclaimer: I'm also speaking about theoritecal communism here. No need to go over the whole Russia isn't communism debate again.
Oh well, maybe I am "incorrect" as you put it. But I still resent the whole "OSS equals communism" thing.
"you set up a system of software developement modeled after communism"
Let's see, according to your definition, everybody who provides eg free time and services for eg the homeless is a communist. Everybody who donates for whatever cause is a communist. Everybody who gives away something is a communist.
I didn't know the Soviets had such a good name in the US...
Cutting through the bullshit filters here: OSS does not equal communism in the same way that Mac OS does not equal gayness. It's stupid to say it does, really. It betrays a lack of knowledge in both politics, history and OSS.
Final Cut Pro Logic Keynote iLife Wireless keyboard and mouse Dual 1.8 G5 Most of their portables
While some of these are pretty expensive, they're competitive pricewise and are extremely useful. Affordable of course depends on your budget. Wish I could buy a G5, but it's affordable in the sense of "If you need a high performance computer, that one gives you plenty of oompf for your bucks".
If memory serves, you work for CompUSA.
I'm sure CompUSA sells some stupid PC stuff as well. You never get cynical when pushing these over the counter?
BTW totally unrelated: what about writing it all down "Diary of a computer salesman" would sell, if spicy enough:-)
A rumor does not a truth make. But OTOH I'm savoring all the scepticism and mention of Apple Tax here. If the rumors and the prices quoted are true, I'm not going to stop gloating.
After all, the rumors could be true, It wouldn't surprise me. Why?
1) They are determined to make this iTunes thing work. The iPod is a huge factor in this. Up until now they've catered for the fashion conscious and music freaks. In order to really corner the market, they now have to go for 'the rest of us'. For the first time they have the opportunity to make a cheap mass produced thingy that still has Apple appeal and quality. You think they let this one pass by?
2) There've been tech reviews of smaller drives, ram and whatnot. Since the original iPods were made with the best and the latest, why not now? With the sales experience they have now, they know they can't go wrong if the price is right. And some of the stuff that goes in those white thingies must have gotten cheaper, no?
3) If all's said: what's so surprising in Apple attacking a large niche market with competitive prices? Some of their professional software is dirt cheap (in its class) and some of those packets are best of breed. That's exactly what the iPod was: competitive (in its class) and best of breed. Some of Apple's computers are very competitively priced. Look at their laptop offering, the emacs and the dual 1.8 Gig G5. In their class they kick ass and you can't go much cheaper without either sacrificing in features and quality or investing time and effort in building your own - without the usual warranties...
In short: while this is a rumor, it's not so far out if you look objectively at Apple in general and their iTunes/iPod story specifically.
As an attorney you might want to go and check out this website first, before you cost your company that much money.
I have some doubts about your comment. Since as an attorney for a big company I'd expect you to know the costs involved in massive migration. It's not a trivial thing. Well, I'd expect you to know that if it were your decision to make such a huge call.
And you should also know that SCO have not proven anything whatsoever yet. Their claims have so far been disproven dramatically, most of the times hours after they made them. Most legal minds - if they comment - say SCO is out on a limb.
And as you should know: even if they win the case against IBM, they still won't be in their rights to ask for a license. Go read groklaw, they explain far better than I can.
So maybe, just maybe you haven't really spoken to IT or haven't really done your homework.
This leads me to think you are either a troll or not a very good attorney. It's one thing to be over cautious, it's another thing to make expensive and disruptive choices on a whim - after reading one letter.
I'd like you to give me the name of your company. I'd like to write them a letter. I have several bridges for sale...
Here's the thing: If you're a Mac user into high end whatever (gaming, video, music, graphics, art,...) you automatically move up with the processors Apple provides.
Already the G5 gives a huge performance boost on all apps and an even greater one on those that are optimized - mainly the pro apps (FCP, Photoshop, Logic,...).
So while it's perfectly possible to keep buying G4 processors in iBooks, Powerbooks and iMacs, there's no reason to go looking for G4 towers when you can buy very reasonably priced G5 towers that will blow away all previous models both in features and in performance.
While I get your drift - and don't want to interfere with your personal preferences- I feel that with the backward compatibility and the performance boost Apple provides, your point is utterly moot for everybody else.
"The new G5 chips will require 1.21 jiggawatts of power to operate effectively."
Woa, great news that!
First they break through the gigaflop barrier, and now through the jiggawatts barrier.
Go Apple go!
Seriously though, I heard the rumour that you will be able to plug those fans right into your air-conditioning, thus saving some serious bucks on hot summers.
about this is that in the end bad press has become the norm.
This guy's fud is picked up by ABC news without any balance. That's something else than a PCMag editorial masturbation. His editorial, his party, let him have fun, but for "serious press" to run this? fffff
Likewise every SCO fart is largely picked up without any balance either. Really, they were attacked from outside. By those bad OSS programmers, the commie bastards.
What a shame when well thought out arguments and facts are just a few clicks away.
Oh well, everybody has the right to remain stupid...
We all know the mac has a huge security risk. It's a major issue. From now on OS X is as virus prone as XP. And Apple's DRM has been Hacked. People are pirating the iTMS as we speak.
And in other news, SCO really was attacked from outside by an evil DDOS. Those Open Source Commy Bastards.
To get a G5 with comparable geat you'd have to spend over $2000.
And you'd still have that cheese grater the next year and the next, whereas your emachine will blow up right when you're back in the market for a new machine.
That's the problem with macs. They last and last, never giving you an excuse to do the manly thing and buy the latest and newest crap on the market.
Cheers!
(The sun is shining, the birds are singing... it's a good day to troll;-)
music: - musicians (1-25) - composers - studio people: mixers, facilitators, the guys who make the master,... - usually some organisers, be it managers, assistants or roadies album: - cover artist - producers - printers distribution: - clear all copyright issues - promote for shelf-space - get interviews, reviews, airspace
And I'm forgetting quite a bit here. I'm not talking about over the top marketing campaigns, not even video, this is based upon experience with tiny little releases of about 2000 CD's.
Now all this takes a lot of time, people, organisation, goodwill. The total cost can be between 2000 Euro and 8000 Euro, depending on who you actually have to pay, how fancy your shiny disk and package looks and how much studio time you've taken up.
The catch is: all those people involved actually consume liquids and solids. They breathe air and occasionally have to go to the dentist.
Note how many people need to get paid apart from the musicians. Also note that the fact that you *could* get filthy rich by chance and good craftmanship is the reason musicians are prepared to do two-three jobs and pay off all those helpful souls - or sign into contracts with big labels who then pick up the cheque...
Also note that when we talk about concerts, there are even more people involved. While you *can* make a living touring the modest festivals, it's only the happy few who make a lot. And there's a whole musical universe out there that doesn't really translate well to live work or large podia.
While I don't sympathise with the large labels and distributors - the price of CD's is ridiculous still - I don't think the industry is totally crazy. It involves a lot of clever and honest people who work really really hard. And I really don't think labels are going to go away. Not as long as there is organising and planning involved.
What you'll see is even more specialized organizations, like e.g. CD Baby who now collect indie artists for digital distribution contracts.
The post should have been "YDL Linux now available for download through Enhanced.net, the YDL paid webspace/support/membershipthingy service."
If you want to download for free, there are many good mirrors available. Just go to the linuxhelp website (this page has links to all iso's out there for every distribution available) which is btw an excellent starting point for newbies like myself...
Slashdot Mirror
Can't we find better names for projects that won't get sued?????
What, and miss out on all the free advertising?
OK, I've done GUI's and am usually totally anal about compliance, but here I have to agree with the post: the hard part is over.
You have here a free and native alternative for Office.
No money. People will use it if it is reliable. Because it's free. That's great!
Maybe, if the programmers want to have more people use it and everybody to stop bitching, yes, it would be a good - no, a great idea to make it more Mac-compliant, but they don't have to, really. They've already made it FREE.
People will be plenty happy already when the bugs and kinks are worked out.
So congratulations!
BTW, now please give us a free and easy (meaning no coding) database program and we're in HEAVEN!
xxx
This test is not scientific. It doesn't compare the same hardware running the same software.
...) have been polluting the Internet for some time now.
Duh.
The test is not fair. OS X is better optimized for 64bits.
So what.
The test is not "real world" enough, it only talks about graphical performance, 2D, 3D programs and games.
OK, acknowledged.
At the same time this is exactly the type of test *some* people have been waiting for. The other type of tests ("scientific" cough cough, "fair", "real world",
And now there's this little ditty of a test that is totally insignificant and at the same time totally pleasing for both camps (gaming crowd versus serious graphical apps).
What's wrong about that?
Incidentally, the problem with trying to cook up a good comparison is partly because there is not much of an equal offering in the PC camp. By this I mean a mass produced dual 64bit desktop machine. Instead of praising this innovative move and talking about the advantages and disadvantages, there was a lot of whining in the vine of "compare this with that server or that custom processor".
Which is of course just a bit ridiculous. Now you have about every comparison possible (Gooooogle for more) and still there's whining...
You saw the price comparison? The opteron was +$600.
Yeahyeah, you can buy cheaper PC's. Well, what do you know? You can also buy cheaper Macs. The cheapest mac btw won out on a price/feature comparison with other all-in-one machines (brand names, including ungggg Dell).
The mac premium, is that the amount of free software you get with the good hardware?
The only game I miss on the Mac is Dungeon Keeper II, for the rest, my PS2 does the trick.
"Why on EARTH didn't you use Linux on both machines?"
It was a real world comparison. Now tell me how they'd test things like Photoshop with Linux?
"Marketing is the art of trickery and deceit to convince people to buy your product, much like dating and job interviewing."
That's a bit like stating: "Religion is the art of keeping people subdued while freeing them of their money and pensions."
True (and successful) marketing is the art of figuring out what people want, need and can afford. Then make it and target it to them.
Examples are Philips and Apple. Both companies are known to have made lemons, but most of their products make their customers (their target audience, not everybody on this planet) happy.
Well, OK, in the sense that the unprecedented side-effect of jesus was mass religion, you also have mass adoption of OSS on the bussiness end.
But in the end, the historical Jesus preached a stricter adherance to Jewish law, and the OSS movement preaches a "contribute and enjoy" sort of attitude towards a software platform.
That's still far away from a political system that wanted to do away with ownership, religion and kings by introducing a far fetched system of re-distribution (to put it simply). And just like the misunderstood Jesus, OSS is taken on a ride here.
Disclaimer: I'm also speaking about theoritecal communism here. No need to go over the whole Russia isn't communism debate again.
Oh well, maybe I am "incorrect" as you put it. But I still resent the whole "OSS equals communism" thing.
"you set up a system of software developement modeled after communism"
Let's see, according to your definition, everybody who provides eg free time and services for eg the homeless is a communist. Everybody who donates for whatever cause is a communist. Everybody who gives away something is a communist.
I didn't know the Soviets had such a good name in the US...
Cutting through the bullshit filters here: OSS does not equal communism in the same way that Mac OS does not equal gayness. It's stupid to say it does, really. It betrays a lack of knowledge in both politics, history and OSS.
Final Cut Pro
:-)
Logic
Keynote
iLife
Wireless keyboard and mouse
Dual 1.8 G5
Most of their portables
While some of these are pretty expensive, they're competitive pricewise and are extremely useful. Affordable of course depends on your budget. Wish I could buy a G5, but it's affordable in the sense of "If you need a high performance computer, that one gives you plenty of oompf for your bucks".
If memory serves, you work for CompUSA.
I'm sure CompUSA sells some stupid PC stuff as well. You never get cynical when pushing these over the counter?
BTW totally unrelated: what about writing it all down "Diary of a computer salesman" would sell, if spicy enough
A rumor does not a truth make. But OTOH I'm savoring all the scepticism and mention of Apple Tax here. If the rumors and the prices quoted are true, I'm not going to stop gloating.
:-)
After all, the rumors could be true, It wouldn't surprise me. Why?
1) They are determined to make this iTunes thing work. The iPod is a huge factor in this. Up until now they've catered for the fashion conscious and music freaks. In order to really corner the market, they now have to go for 'the rest of us'. For the first time they have the opportunity to make a cheap mass produced thingy that still has Apple appeal and quality. You think they let this one pass by?
2) There've been tech reviews of smaller drives, ram and whatnot. Since the original iPods were made with the best and the latest, why not now? With the sales experience they have now, they know they can't go wrong if the price is right. And some of the stuff that goes in those white thingies must have gotten cheaper, no?
3) If all's said: what's so surprising in Apple attacking a large niche market with competitive prices? Some of their professional software is dirt cheap (in its class) and some of those packets are best of breed. That's exactly what the iPod was: competitive (in its class) and best of breed. Some of Apple's computers are very competitively priced. Look at their laptop offering, the emacs and the dual 1.8 Gig G5. In their class they kick ass and you can't go much cheaper without either sacrificing in features and quality or investing time and effort in building your own - without the usual warranties...
In short: while this is a rumor, it's not so far out if you look objectively at Apple in general and their iTunes/iPod story specifically.
Rant over
As an attorney you might want to go and check out this website first, before you cost your company that much money.
I have some doubts about your comment. Since as an attorney for a big company I'd expect you to know the costs involved in massive migration. It's not a trivial thing. Well, I'd expect you to know that if it were your decision to make such a huge call.
And you should also know that SCO have not proven anything whatsoever yet. Their claims have so far been disproven dramatically, most of the times hours after they made them. Most legal minds - if they comment - say SCO is out on a limb.
And as you should know: even if they win the case against IBM, they still won't be in their rights to ask for a license. Go read groklaw, they explain far better than I can.
So maybe, just maybe you haven't really spoken to IT or haven't really done your homework.
This leads me to think you are either a troll or not a very good attorney. It's one thing to be over cautious, it's another thing to make expensive and disruptive choices on a whim - after reading one letter.
I'd like you to give me the name of your company. I'd like to write them a letter. I have several bridges for sale...
You're absolutely right. On the same note, I still can't understand why people were so critical of the Citroen 2CV. A wonderful car, wonderful!
Oh come on!
Macs are everywhere, turn on the TV, go to the movies.
Now if you want to be a bad guy, buy a PC, but all the good guys and hot chicks use macs.
QED
Here's the thing: If you're a Mac user into high end whatever (gaming, video, music, graphics, art, ...) you automatically move up with the processors Apple provides.
...).
Already the G5 gives a huge performance boost on all apps and an even greater one on those that are optimized - mainly the pro apps (FCP, Photoshop, Logic,
So while it's perfectly possible to keep buying G4 processors in iBooks, Powerbooks and iMacs, there's no reason to go looking for G4 towers when you can buy very reasonably priced G5 towers that will blow away all previous models both in features and in performance.
While I get your drift - and don't want to interfere with your personal preferences- I feel that with the backward compatibility and the performance boost Apple provides, your point is utterly moot for everybody else.
"The new G5 chips will require 1.21 jiggawatts of power to operate effectively."
Woa, great news that!
First they break through the gigaflop barrier, and now through the jiggawatts barrier.
Go Apple go!
Seriously though, I heard the rumour that you will be able to plug those fans right into your air-conditioning, thus saving some serious bucks on hot summers.
about this is that in the end bad press has become the norm.
This guy's fud is picked up by ABC news without any balance. That's something else than a PCMag editorial masturbation. His editorial, his party, let him have fun, but for "serious press" to run this? fffff
Likewise every SCO fart is largely picked up without any balance either. Really, they were attacked from outside. By those bad OSS programmers, the commie bastards.
What a shame when well thought out arguments and facts are just a few clicks away.
Oh well, everybody has the right to remain stupid...
The last time he tried to use a mac it took ages to copy a 17 MB file ...
We all know the mac has a huge security risk. It's a major issue. From now on OS X is as virus prone as XP. And Apple's DRM has been Hacked. People are pirating the iTMS as we speak.
;-)
And in other news, SCO really was attacked from outside by an evil DDOS. Those Open Source Commy Bastards.
Believe everything you read folks.
No they never c...
Beep?
To get a G5 with comparable geat you'd have to spend over $2000.
;-)
And you'd still have that cheese grater the next year and the next, whereas your emachine will blow up right when you're back in the market for a new machine.
That's the problem with macs. They last and last, never giving you an excuse to do the manly thing and buy the latest and newest crap on the market.
Cheers!
(The sun is shining, the birds are singing... it's a good day to troll
Imagine what Pixar , etc will be able to do with an array of 64-bit emachines.
Not much...
yep, need a lot more explanation. You suggest everybody working should receive tips? Or goods like tennis rackets?
Maybe you were confused by my sarcastic title?
A typical album involves...
...
music:
- musicians (1-25)
- composers
- studio people: mixers, facilitators, the guys who make the master,
- usually some organisers, be it managers, assistants or roadies
album:
- cover artist
- producers
- printers
distribution:
- clear all copyright issues
- promote for shelf-space
- get interviews, reviews, airspace
And I'm forgetting quite a bit here. I'm not talking about over the top marketing campaigns, not even video, this is based upon experience with tiny little releases of about 2000 CD's.
Now all this takes a lot of time, people, organisation, goodwill. The total cost can be between 2000 Euro and 8000 Euro, depending on who you actually have to pay, how fancy your shiny disk and package looks and how much studio time you've taken up.
The catch is: all those people involved actually consume liquids and solids. They breathe air and occasionally have to go to the dentist.
Note how many people need to get paid apart from the musicians. Also note that the fact that you *could* get filthy rich by chance and good craftmanship is the reason musicians are prepared to do two-three jobs and pay off all those helpful souls - or sign into contracts with big labels who then pick up the cheque...
Also note that when we talk about concerts, there are even more people involved. While you *can* make a living touring the modest festivals, it's only the happy few who make a lot. And there's a whole musical universe out there that doesn't really translate well to live work or large podia.
While I don't sympathise with the large labels and distributors - the price of CD's is ridiculous still - I don't think the industry is totally crazy. It involves a lot of clever and honest people who work really really hard. And I really don't think labels are going to go away. Not as long as there is organising and planning involved.
What you'll see is even more specialized organizations, like e.g. CD Baby who now collect indie artists for digital distribution contracts.
Oops, I didn't pay.
Just went to one of the mirrorlinks and started downloading. That release btw was available on the three downloadsites I visited - for free.
So you may be right, but anybody looking for it would have been able to get it for free regardless.
The post should have been "YDL Linux now available for download through Enhanced.net, the YDL paid webspace/support/membershipthingy service."
If you want to download for free, there are many good mirrors available. Just go to the linuxhelp website (this page has links to all iso's out there for every distribution available) which is btw an excellent starting point for newbies like myself...