Well, the cube was sort of that for a while. It didn't sell. Too much of one thing, too little of the other or whatever.
Am typing this on a cube, it still is my all time favo(u)rite machine. Put in a 20Gig HD and 512 M ram, and it still sort of keeps up. I am very excited about the new products, but still wait for the real replacement of my little footprint quiet beautiful lovemachine (not a fanboy not a fanboy not a fanboy steeeeve they're making fun of me).
A souped up iMac base (without the screen) would probably have done it for me... although their footprint is a bit larger than what I have right now. The DVD writer would come in handy.
I'd love to see what you describe, but I guess marketing doesn't see a market so to speak.
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And a good thing they don't. Not everybody wants their phone to communicate with their computer.
Ye gods, I want my phone to communicate with the fishes... somewhere deep deep in the ocean!
It's a bit childish to get so excited over mere technology, but man, these devices make you feel all powerfullllllll!
You go out and get your hands on all those players mentioned, then tell me you don't think the iPod is revolutionary. Their best - revolutionary - feature is you forget you have a computer-powered gadget in your hands.
It's not about having this or that feature first, it's the whole package.
Warning: if you turn into a drooling "fanboy", don't blame it on me, blame it on Apple and their engineers...
Don't blame politicians, don't blame liberal gun laws. Don't blame the weapons industry lobby.
Because guns don't kill people, people kill people, right? And the USA doesn't promote a culture of violence. Such a thing doesn't exist. There's nothing wrong with being the western country with the highest amount of children in prison, the highest amount of death by guns for minors and killing by guns for minors.
Let's not jump to any conclusions here, it's clear that people kill people, or you know, children. Guns don't. No sir.
Some questions, if you feel like answering, that is.
Any reason why Apple doesn't support this ECC memory apart from being a bit over the top for simple desktops?
Can they be custom installed (sort of like "look here, I'm going to build a supercomputer instead of doing this photoshop stuff, so put those ECC thingies in there, ok?") or is it plain not supported, not possible?
Is ECC memory readily supported by other manufacturers (apart from SGI and CRAY)?
And the obvious one, why do you think a place like Virginia U. overlooks this while they - and the people responsible - obviously have firsthand experience in this?
I'd say, mod him up, flog me for not reading this myself and go flame some ECC fanboys... (did I just say that?)
Seriously though, I thought ECC - or something alike - had to be important, reading about it, but OTOH couldn't imagine this university (with quite a track record already) not coming up with this themselves.
It sort of confirms my views on *some* wannabe-scientists on this list.
Having a degree doesn't equal having common sense. I like playing high and mighty like any other guy, but come on... This is largely a repeat article, it should have given some people the time to set their facts straight.
Yes, I'm priviliged. I'm educated, well fed and groomed by the country I grew up in.
And if we decide to go to another continent to see what we can do, we even get paid for that. The shame, right?
Instead of making sarcastic remarks about that, you could consider it a career opportunity. There are plenty of needs here in the so called soft sector.
And when you're here, you could consider it a good idea to spread around what you have. In countries like this, it means - apart from doing what you do - getting a help and NOT pay her badly. And insure her, her family and whoever needs it. If you think that's bourgeous you haven't traveled much.
Let me give you an insight: you get sick here, then you lose your job and if you're not like us (privileged white stuff) you eventually die.
What's shocking is the fact that it's considered normal, also by Americans. I don't know, you're the self proclaimed land of the free, I somehow expected more. Disclaimer: there are some great initiatives and people from America here, doing real things, whether they have a housekeeper or not.
"But on the other hand, Germany embraces its own collection of stupid ideas, like the cradle-to-grave welfare state"
A cradle-to-grave welfare state is a beautiful thing. You're young, healthy and I presume able to have a decent insurance (or you haven't had the pleasure to fall through one of their loopholes yet), but you'll change your tone once you're no longer deemed "productive"...
I currently live in a country with US alike healthcare system, trying to undo some of the 1980's US foreign policy (El Salvador, look it up and weep) and we can't even get our housekeeper and her husband insured. They don't count, the (company-paid) doctors laugh at us. The most we've been able to do is insure her against accidents.
I'll be very glad to move back to Europe next year. Paying my taxes in full, knowing that I'll get it back somehow in education for my daughter, healthcare for my family, a gun-free environment and protection against poverty if we fall from grace.
I just can't believe most Americans think welfare is "liberal"... You just wait and see what happens when something unforseen happens. You'll wish your country (that is presumably you and others who vote) cared a bit more for people in general instead of success stories.
siskbc, you've spent a looong time on this argument. You may be a scientist, but you don't seem to care a lot about facts and indeed real-world issues.
What's so weird about wanting to work with the computer that does your thing fast and reliable? Then what's so weird about Apple showing off a host of applications (not just Photoshop, you should have at least a passing interest in Mathematica even if it's not in your field) that actually run a lot faster on their cheesegrater?
When you do something that makes you catch up on your collegues and even puts them behind you - even if it's just for a while - are you going to publish or not? Are your collegues going to bitch about it yes or no?
Which brings us to: what's so shocking about finding a "fanboy" in the Apple section of Slashdot?
We all are fans of some thing or another, and maybe not too rational about it, whether it's stupid computers or some obscure language. You try to turn that into something dirty just to gain points. I don't buy your show of "objectivity". I've read a lot of interesting posts that actually made sense, showed knowledge and even if they didn't compare with what I know or like about the subject did stick to the facts.
"show me an objective scientist and I'll show you cold fusion"
It's not about trying to capitalize on the other guy, it's about muddying a brand someone else has put a lot of work in already.
Now I can see Apple winning this case with their fingers in their noses, but just imagine suddenly having to explain that no, your product is not that thingy from Apple. Not a nice situation.
I fail to see how the technicalities (messaging versus networking) come into play. If it confuses Tibco's clients and prospects, they should be able to make at least half a case.
BTW I don't think Apple is malicious in this, but OTOH until proven otherwise I don't want to look at this other company as being the next CSO.
Let he who read all the articles throw the first stone (lots of slashdotters mumbling behind their false beards and looking at their feet, half crazed AC jumping and shouting "Bill Gates, Bill Gates, Praise the Lord")
And anyhow, it is not as muddied as some think. Whatever the differences between the two rendezvous thingies, they share something very important for both companies, which is making it easy for different computers to talk to each other. That's a lot more confusing than Apple the nice computer that stumbled out of a garage and Apple the bloody Beatles record label.
But I don't think Linux is for the general public. As long as it's build by and for the geek/corporation, it can look however it feels like.
The general public is better off using OS X or Windows. Consistent GUI's and predictable behaviour are important for them and Open Source doesn't mean dick to them (most of them copy anyway).
Getting Linux distributions on as many desktops as possible in its current incarnation(s) is counterproductive.
The best effort IMO is now Sun's distribution for large corporations, but that's for very predictable environments, and luckily they saw the need to make it look and behave a bit like Windows.
Anyway, you can't have it both ways, distribute an OS that's perfect for you, the ubergeek, and expect computer-challenged people (not the same as stupid) to be productive on it.
In my experience, programmers are among the worst judges of Usability For The Common Man. And no, the Common Man doesn't know what a shell is and doesn't want you to explain it to him.
Was not implying you were bashing. However, market share isn't everything. As far as they're concerned, they have great market share and make good profit. Profit they largely put back into R&D. I think what they do is a nice way to do business, mostly, satisfying a very large and interesting crowd of users, developers and workers.
I too would love a more barebones mac line with better initial prices, eMacs aren't everybody's cup of tea, but given the overhead such a strategy would give them, I doubt they'd go that road anytime soon. And I don't ever want them to return to the pre-Jobs line-up. If lack of choice is the price to pay for great products, so be it. It still beats the alternative for more than enough people.
They are known to give great value and real innovation out of the box, there's a rather appreciative market with deep enough pockets for that, and they'd be very stupid to give it up for commodity another market already finds in Dell and Build-Your-Owns.
It's true, Apple can't compete on price (that's store price, not cost of ownership), heck, no other computer brand can, apart from Dell. If price is the issue, there's still choice.
And if eMacs or low-end iBooks don't do it for you, you can custom build your mac in the Online Store and apply for a loan - to spread the pain around- buy your own Ram and extra HDD's, Graphics card and have a very economical machine with great resell value.
A good way to go is to buy a new mac every two years and - if you can part with it - sell your old mac. The resell value gives you a good edge. It helps to buy AppleCare as well, to be sure your investment doesn't go bust on freak accidents.
They might... When the G4 was introduced, it did something. When OpenGL was put into OS X it did a lot more. The added geekness factor of the mac in the last few years has also done some good. Being able to rub Jobs shoulder on one of his keynotes is however the best incentive yet...
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Well, the cube was sort of that for a while. It didn't sell. Too much of one thing, too little of the other or whatever.
Am typing this on a cube, it still is my all time favo(u)rite machine. Put in a 20Gig HD and 512 M ram, and it still sort of keeps up. I am very excited about the new products, but still wait for the real replacement of my little footprint quiet beautiful lovemachine (not a fanboy not a fanboy not a fanboy steeeeve they're making fun of me).
A souped up iMac base (without the screen) would probably have done it for me... although their footprint is a bit larger than what I have right now. The DVD writer would come in handy.
I'd love to see what you describe, but I guess marketing doesn't see a market so to speak.
And a good thing they don't. Not everybody wants their phone to communicate with their computer.
Ye gods, I want my phone to communicate with the fishes... somewhere deep deep in the ocean!
Hey Stewey,
You used one yet?
It's a bit childish to get so excited over mere technology, but man, these devices make you feel all powerfullllllll!
You go out and get your hands on all those players mentioned, then tell me you don't think the iPod is revolutionary. Their best - revolutionary - feature is you forget you have a computer-powered gadget in your hands.
It's not about having this or that feature first, it's the whole package.
Warning: if you turn into a drooling "fanboy", don't blame it on me, blame it on Apple and their engineers...
Don't blame politicians, don't blame liberal gun laws. Don't blame the weapons industry lobby.
Because guns don't kill people, people kill people, right?
And the USA doesn't promote a culture of violence. Such a thing doesn't exist. There's nothing wrong with being the western country with the highest amount of children in prison, the highest amount of death by guns for minors and killing by guns for minors.
Let's not jump to any conclusions here, it's clear that people kill people, or you know, children. Guns don't. No sir.
They're saying to Apple: "A school for a store". Now the only thing we can hope is for Apple to close all stores immediately...
Thanks.
Some questions, if you feel like answering, that is.
Any reason why Apple doesn't support this ECC memory apart from being a bit over the top for simple desktops?
Can they be custom installed (sort of like "look here, I'm going to build a supercomputer instead of doing this photoshop stuff, so put those ECC thingies in there, ok?") or is it plain not supported, not possible?
Is ECC memory readily supported by other manufacturers (apart from SGI and CRAY)?
And the obvious one, why do you think a place like Virginia U. overlooks this while they - and the people responsible - obviously have firsthand experience in this?
Woohoohooo
:-))))
I always found this post to be absolutely idiotic. It still is of course, but almost pissed my pants laughing
This here poster has answered the question already.
I'd say, mod him up, flog me for not reading this myself and go flame some ECC fanboys... (did I just say that?)
Seriously though, I thought ECC - or something alike - had to be important, reading about it, but OTOH couldn't imagine this university (with quite a track record already) not coming up with this themselves.
It sort of confirms my views on *some* wannabe-scientists on this list.
Having a degree doesn't equal having common sense. I like playing high and mighty like any other guy, but come on... This is largely a repeat article, it should have given some people the time to set their facts straight.
OK, apart from being a nice thing to flame people with, what is this ECC talk?
Why is it so important?
Are there other "supercomputers" running without it?
Is there a good reason to disregard it and go with G5 anyway?
Yeah, I really went over the top with my rant there...
OK, my response was way over the top. Your comments were funny, if intentional or not.
Part of it is feeling guilty about having in a country with so many have nots.
That's cute.
Yes, I'm priviliged.
I'm educated, well fed and groomed by the country I grew up in.
And if we decide to go to another continent to see what we can do, we even get paid for that. The shame, right?
Instead of making sarcastic remarks about that, you could consider it a career opportunity. There are plenty of needs here in the so called soft sector.
And when you're here, you could consider it a good idea to spread around what you have. In countries like this, it means - apart from doing what you do - getting a help and NOT pay her badly.
And insure her, her family and whoever needs it. If you think that's bourgeous you haven't traveled much.
Let me give you an insight: you get sick here, then you lose your job and if you're not like us (privileged white stuff) you eventually die.
What's shocking is the fact that it's considered normal, also by Americans. I don't know, you're the self proclaimed land of the free, I somehow expected more.
Disclaimer: there are some great initiatives and people from America here, doing real things, whether they have a housekeeper or not.
"But on the other hand, Germany embraces its own collection of stupid ideas, like the cradle-to-grave welfare state"
A cradle-to-grave welfare state is a beautiful thing. You're young, healthy and I presume able to have a decent insurance (or you haven't had the pleasure to fall through one of their loopholes yet), but you'll change your tone once you're no longer deemed "productive"...
I currently live in a country with US alike healthcare system, trying to undo some of the 1980's US foreign policy (El Salvador, look it up and weep) and we can't even get our housekeeper and her husband insured. They don't count, the (company-paid) doctors laugh at us. The most we've been able to do is insure her against accidents.
I'll be very glad to move back to Europe next year. Paying my taxes in full, knowing that I'll get it back somehow in education for my daughter, healthcare for my family, a gun-free environment and protection against poverty if we fall from grace.
I just can't believe most Americans think welfare is "liberal"... You just wait and see what happens when something unforseen happens. You'll wish your country (that is presumably you and others who vote) cared a bit more for people in general instead of success stories.
Disclaimer: I don't think I'm a fanboy, since that sounds too silly a thing to be. You're free to disagree though.
You're right, this can be discussed and turned around and such until we all fall asleep over our keyboards.
But if you've seen the Photoshop test, maybe you've seen the Mathematica test? Cubase, some render thingy and some other programs as well...
If this were more interesting, I'd go and look at the Apple site. A good place to check btw when discussing "claims" from Apple...
siskbc, you've spent a looong time on this argument. You may be a scientist, but you don't seem to care a lot about facts and indeed real-world issues.
What's so weird about wanting to work with the computer that does your thing fast and reliable? Then what's so weird about Apple showing off a host of applications (not just Photoshop, you should have at least a passing interest in Mathematica even if it's not in your field) that actually run a lot faster on their cheesegrater?
When you do something that makes you catch up on your collegues and even puts them behind you - even if it's just for a while - are you going to publish or not? Are your collegues going to bitch about it yes or no?
Which brings us to: what's so shocking about finding a "fanboy" in the Apple section of Slashdot?
We all are fans of some thing or another, and maybe not too rational about it, whether it's stupid computers or some obscure language. You try to turn that into something dirty just to gain points. I don't buy your show of "objectivity". I've read a lot of interesting posts that actually made sense, showed knowledge and even if they didn't compare with what I know or like about the subject did stick to the facts.
"show me an objective scientist and I'll show you cold fusion"
I asked him if Windows was so easy to use why they needed a user group.
A shoulder to cry on?
BTW, the G5 doesn't suck, it blows!
This makes me think of those leaflets some whino'll push in your hand trying to prove They DIDN'T Land on the MOON.
If it were not AC, I'd definitely try to mod this one up as being funny as hell!
It's not about trying to capitalize on the other guy, it's about muddying a brand someone else has put a lot of work in already.
Now I can see Apple winning this case with their fingers in their noses, but just imagine suddenly having to explain that no, your product is not that thingy from Apple. Not a nice situation.
I fail to see how the technicalities (messaging versus networking) come into play. If it confuses Tibco's clients and prospects, they should be able to make at least half a case.
BTW I don't think Apple is malicious in this, but OTOH until proven otherwise I don't want to look at this other company as being the next CSO.
since when is laziness flaming?
Let he who read all the articles throw the first stone
(lots of slashdotters mumbling behind their false beards and looking at their feet, half crazed AC jumping and shouting "Bill Gates, Bill Gates, Praise the Lord")
And anyhow, it is not as muddied as some think.
Whatever the differences between the two rendezvous thingies, they share something very important for both companies, which is making it easy for different computers to talk to each other.
That's a lot more confusing than Apple the nice computer that stumbled out of a garage and Apple the bloody Beatles record label.
Look ma, no hands!
Yep.
But I don't think Linux is for the general public. As long as it's build by and for the geek/corporation, it can look however it feels like.
The general public is better off using OS X or Windows. Consistent GUI's and predictable behaviour are important for them and Open Source doesn't mean dick to them (most of them copy anyway).
Getting Linux distributions on as many desktops as possible in its current incarnation(s) is counterproductive.
The best effort IMO is now Sun's distribution for large corporations, but that's for very predictable environments, and luckily they saw the need to make it look and behave a bit like Windows.
Anyway, you can't have it both ways, distribute an OS that's perfect for you, the ubergeek, and expect computer-challenged people (not the same as stupid) to be productive on it.
In my experience, programmers are among the worst judges of Usability For The Common Man. And no, the Common Man doesn't know what a shell is and doesn't want you to explain it to him.
If you don't need pipelines, it's not worth your while. If you're in a production environment it can be very powerful.
I've seen great pipelines in prepress environments done with Applescript.
I pity the girl. Her whole life lost doing the same thing all over again on a platform she hates.
How come this is still insightful? Who got an epithamy on this one? Who converted to the holy church of MS/Jobs/Linus by reading this troll?
Was not implying you were bashing. However, market share isn't everything. As far as they're concerned, they have great market share and make good profit. Profit they largely put back into R&D. I think what they do is a nice way to do business, mostly, satisfying a very large and interesting crowd of users, developers and workers.
I too would love a more barebones mac line with better initial prices, eMacs aren't everybody's cup of tea, but given the overhead such a strategy would give them, I doubt they'd go that road anytime soon. And I don't ever want them to return to the pre-Jobs line-up. If lack of choice is the price to pay for great products, so be it. It still beats the alternative for more than enough people.
They are known to give great value and real innovation out of the box, there's a rather appreciative market with deep enough pockets for that, and they'd be very stupid to give it up for commodity another market already finds in Dell and Build-Your-Owns.
It's true, Apple can't compete on price (that's store price, not cost of ownership), heck, no other computer brand can, apart from Dell. If price is the issue, there's still choice.
And if eMacs or low-end iBooks don't do it for you, you can custom build your mac in the Online Store and apply for a loan - to spread the pain around- buy your own Ram and extra HDD's, Graphics card and have a very economical machine with great resell value.
A good way to go is to buy a new mac every two years and - if you can part with it - sell your old mac. The resell value gives you a good edge. It helps to buy AppleCare as well, to be sure your investment doesn't go bust on freak accidents.
They might... When the G4 was introduced, it did something. When OpenGL was put into OS X it did a lot more. The added geekness factor of the mac in the last few years has also done some good. Being able to rub Jobs shoulder on one of his keynotes is however the best incentive yet...