Fine. Phone Apple and tell them you will supply the paper (recycled of course) and toner for the manual and you want a copy. I'll await their response with baited breath.
What the hell are you on about? How does that even make any sense? They provide the manual in ebook form and as a PDF. If I told them I'd given them the recycled paper and the toner they'd simply say "surely that would be wasteful to send the paper and toner to us, only for us to send it back to you with words on when you could just print it yourself since you already have the paper and toner".
I'm not sure what response you're expecting that will somehow prove your opinion that not putting printed manuals in the boxes of all their new products is somehow driven exclusively by profit.
No, see, every post that was modded troll was one where you said some nonsense about forgetting to log in. Since you probably know they don't have an account, it's just DIY hey on your part.
Calling people kid in addition is just unnecessary and if not trolling, certainly flamebait.
Address arguments and cut the nonsense about not having an account and you won't get modded troll.
By the way genius, I had to reply ac if you wanted a reply, since I am moderating.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3127165&cid=41394767 You mean this one? Point out the part in that comment where I mentioned not logging in. That was the comment I addressed in my query. I am still waiting for a reason why that particular comment (which does not mention brave AC posters not logging in) was modded troll.
Oh, and posting and moderating in the same discussion? Classy. Can't win your arguments on their merit eh? Never mind, kid.
The short answer is that they both were (I assume you're referring to Woz vs Jobs). Neither had all of the pieces necessary to succeed alone. Woz needed a ruthless, driven businessman with an eye for the next big thing, Jobs needed a technical wizard who could do things that no one else was even thinking about.
I find this an odd point of view given Apple's considerable effort and waste to improve the "un-boxing experience."
What waste in that context? They have spent the last few years steadily reducing the packaging of each product while still attempting to maintain the "experience".
Every product they produce has had the packaging reduce in size and complexity and increase in ease of recycling. They have virtually eliminated (but not entirely in some products) expanded polystyrene and they have reduced the wasted volume where possible to decrease shipping costs.
When will Apple write a manual for their damned devices?
What do you mean? Apple write manuals for their devices. They are available in PDF form on their website. They don't print the full manual and include it in the box any more to save on waste, instead just giving a brief quickstart guide, but the full manuals are still available. They are also available in iBooks.
Because you keep trolling by keeping up with the nonsense that people "forgot to login" or that they are less trustworthy for not making an account they can't see the need for. Address arguments instead of trolling and you won't get modded troll.
Quote the exact part of the moderated comment where I said that. You can't? Right. Hence the query. My above comments do nothing *but* address the arguments.
The moderation system was not designed as a club to "punish" those you don't agree with because of other comments they have made in other threads - that's just textbook moderation abuse that says "I can't win this argument so I'll attempt to bury it", or "I don't like this person so I'll shut him up".
Perhaps that person should have "addressed arguments" rather than modding troll, eh?
I also mentioned the affiliate station as the source of the case earlier. Not sure how that changes anything.
Hilarious how it's *my* comments that allegedly aren't worth a damn when you won't even log in. I guess that makes your comments worth even less? We'll say yes, that's the case. Unless you want to log in and claim them, of course.
Actually, when it comes to using the "post bravely" commenters, I just dismiss their arguments and claim victory. If they are not brave enough to log in, they clearly have no confidence in their statements, so why should I?
ArcherB goes on slashdot to deliberately misstate sections of the suit.
Yeah, that's actually true.
Here's the crucial bit from the appeal: (taken from the wiki article on the subject, that cites numerous sources http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Akre )
An appeal was filed, and a ruling in February 2003 came down in favor of WTVT, who successfully argued that the FCC policy against falsification was not a "law, rule, or regulation", and so the whistle-blower law did not qualify as the required "law, rule, or regulation" under section 448.102 of the Florida Statutes.... Because the FCC's news distortion policy is not a "law, rule, or regulation" under section 448.102 of the Florida Statutes, Akre has failed to state a claim under the whistle-blower's statute." The appeal did not address any falsification claims, noting that "as a threshold matter... Akre failed to state a claim under the whistle-blower's statute," but noted that the lower court ruled against all of Wilson's charges and all of Akre's claims with the exception of the whistleblower claim that was overturned.
Thus, the right to lie. The court determined that Akre was not eligible to be covered by the whistleblower law because the FCC's policy against lying was not a law. Thus, they can broadcast a false news story and there's no law preventing it, nor can you be protected from being fired by whistleblower laws if you refuse to go along with it.
I replied to your AC troll pre-emptive defence of Fox News that aims to set up the high-school-quality debate technique that says that anyone who criticises Fox in the following discussion is somehow wrong because you already brought that up and "owned" the argument. (I assume that was you bravely not logging in, since you've taken the time to reply to a comment "that added nothing to the discussion" yet somehow was additive enough to be worth replying to, and in your haste to reply you forgot to check the bravery box).
"Hey guys, let's discuss topic X, but before we do, I know what you're all going to say so if you say that X sucks then you just don't get it! This debate is only allowed to have opinions I agree with!"
To reply directly to your guesswork over what I think of Fox News; no I don't usually bitch about them taking things out of context, I just assume they always do wherever possible. I save any bitching for egregious lies or the hilarious times where they don't understand grade school maths and create pie charts that add up to more than 100%, or for their fairly typical hypocrisy (for example, criticism of the president during Bush era = unamerican, unpatriotic hate speech, criticism of the president during Obama era = constitutionally protected free speech and show of patriotism).
They're a toxic propaganda channel funded by wealthy special interests who pay well for the truth to be heavily distorted, hence the lawsuit over the right to lie. If they'd lost that suit it becomes very difficult for them to carry out their primary mandate. I have much more than "one sentence" to draw on for my axe grinding - I don't type out everything in my head every time I post a message. I'm not sure how else to address that point.
Before anyone starts jumping on Fox News for whatever axe they have to grind with them, please substitute Fox News with "CNN" or "MSNBC" and ask yourself if your vitriol would be just the same.
"CNN went to court and won the right to lie in news broadcasts" "MSNBC went to court and won the right to lie in news broadcasts"
I'm not talking about the native app though, I'm talking about going directly to youtube via Safari, or making it into a quicklaunched app. There's really no need for Google to go all out on a native app when the web experience already works extremely well.
That would require that Apple get a new license to use Google's maps in their old app. They only have a year left so it's going to have to go away eventually. As it stands, you can get the same function by doing as Tim Cook suggested (and that many people already did), by going to google maps via the browser and making a quick launch icon on the Springboard.
The old maps app does not run on iOS6, so it's not as simple as just releasing it on iOS6 when you already know it's a dead end.
No, the plan was never "no google maps on iOS" the plan was "we need turn-by-turn navigation in iOS and our existing deal with Google does not enable that and we can't agree on licensing terms so we will have to roll our own".
There's no conspiracy to exorcise Google from iOS - they still have several apps on iOS, it's just that the native maps app is no longer one of them (an app written by Apple in the first place).
You've always been able to use google maps from Safari (or make an icon for it so you can launch it like an app), and many people did it this way because it had more features then the built in app which hadn't been updated in a long time. The same thing was true of Youtube - the version provided by Google on the web was better than the built in one (which Apple wrote back in 2007 and didn't see the need to update for this reason).
This is what we were promised in the OS X community when Steam launched on Mac OS X, and for the most part it has been a success - especially for Valve titles and smaller indie titles. Most of the big publishers are sticking to Windows though - likely because they're not using Source and the engines they do use have separate licensing for different platforms (or worse, only available on Windows).
You're still thinking hydrogen has to be the way it is now - a fuel cell and a tank of gas. If we sort out the production issue (something I'm actively researching as a chemist) and the storage issue (something my colleagues are actively working on, and it won't look anything like a tank of pressurised gas) then you're not limited to using it to run a fuel cell, although of course you can if you need to. You can burn it, or simply react it with something else and extract energy from that process. Right now that sort of reaction is catalysed by platinum (the reason fuel cells are expensive), but it doesn't have to be.
Imagine a vehicle (or a charging station for EVs) that runs on water and sunlight (PV and catalytic water reduction to produce H2).
It is unlikely that EVs are going to replace every aspect of our transport infrastructure. They might replace all cars, but large trucks are going to need more than 300 miles of range, and might go the way of locomotives, with a prime mover powered by hydrogen, or syngas, or ethanol and electric motors driving the wheels.
Like I said to someone else, I'm not sure how this turned into an "either/or" discussion (perhaps because that's the nature of slashdot?) - I'm not against electric vehicles just because I'm also a proponent of hydrogen research. I know other colleagues who are working on improving efficiency of solar PV and we're not combative because the future applications could potentially overlap.
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Fine. Phone Apple and tell them you will supply the paper (recycled of course) and toner for the manual and you want a copy. I'll await their response with baited breath.
What the hell are you on about? How does that even make any sense? They provide the manual in ebook form and as a PDF. If I told them I'd given them the recycled paper and the toner they'd simply say "surely that would be wasteful to send the paper and toner to us, only for us to send it back to you with words on when you could just print it yourself since you already have the paper and toner".
I'm not sure what response you're expecting that will somehow prove your opinion that not putting printed manuals in the boxes of all their new products is somehow driven exclusively by profit.
No, see, every post that was modded troll was one where you said some nonsense about forgetting to log in. Since you probably know they don't have an account, it's just DIY hey on your part.
Calling people kid in addition is just unnecessary and if not trolling, certainly flamebait.
Address arguments and cut the nonsense about not having an account and you won't get modded troll.
By the way genius, I had to reply ac if you wanted a reply, since I am moderating.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3127165&cid=41394767 You mean this one? Point out the part in that comment where I mentioned not logging in. That was the comment I addressed in my query. I am still waiting for a reason why that particular comment (which does not mention brave AC posters not logging in) was modded troll.
Oh, and posting and moderating in the same discussion? Classy. Can't win your arguments on their merit eh? Never mind, kid.
We already have, what, a couple *hundred* languages to choose from at this point?
Almost as many as we have Linux distros!
The short answer is that they both were (I assume you're referring to Woz vs Jobs). Neither had all of the pieces necessary to succeed alone. Woz needed a ruthless, driven businessman with an eye for the next big thing, Jobs needed a technical wizard who could do things that no one else was even thinking about.
I find this an odd point of view given Apple's considerable effort and waste to improve the "un-boxing experience."
What waste in that context? They have spent the last few years steadily reducing the packaging of each product while still attempting to maintain the "experience".
Every product they produce has had the packaging reduce in size and complexity and increase in ease of recycling. They have virtually eliminated (but not entirely in some products) expanded polystyrene and they have reduced the wasted volume where possible to decrease shipping costs.
What waste are you referring to?
To save waste? More like to increase profit.
Ah, yes, sorry I forgot to engage my ultra-cynical "all companies have a Machiavellian conspiracy going on" mode before posting. *eyeroll*
When will Apple write a manual for their damned devices?
What do you mean? Apple write manuals for their devices. They are available in PDF form on their website. They don't print the full manual and include it in the box any more to save on waste, instead just giving a brief quickstart guide, but the full manuals are still available. They are also available in iBooks.
Here's the (156 page) iPhone 5 manual, for example: http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/iphone_user_guide.pdf
Because you keep trolling by keeping up with the nonsense that people "forgot to login" or that they are less trustworthy for not making an account they can't see the need for. Address arguments instead of trolling and you won't get modded troll.
Quote the exact part of the moderated comment where I said that. You can't? Right. Hence the query. My above comments do nothing *but* address the arguments.
The moderation system was not designed as a club to "punish" those you don't agree with because of other comments they have made in other threads - that's just textbook moderation abuse that says "I can't win this argument so I'll attempt to bury it", or "I don't like this person so I'll shut him up".
Perhaps that person should have "addressed arguments" rather than modding troll, eh?
Oh, and you forgot to log in, kid.
You forgot to log in again! D'oh!
I also mentioned the affiliate station as the source of the case earlier. Not sure how that changes anything.
Hilarious how it's *my* comments that allegedly aren't worth a damn when you won't even log in. I guess that makes your comments worth even less? We'll say yes, that's the case. Unless you want to log in and claim them, of course.
I'm actually well aware it was an affiliate station - it's mentioned frequently in the articles cited.
Actually, when it comes to using the "post bravely" commenters, I just dismiss their arguments and claim victory. If they are not brave enough to log in, they clearly have no confidence in their statements, so why should I?
Come on mods. At least a thinly veiled attempt at bias.
I'd be interested to hear what part of that comment is worthy of a troll mod.
My foreskin remains intact, therefore not a Jew, but what does that have to do with anything?
Also, re: your earlier comment that "You appear to look like Hitler's youth given your self righteous super left wing blithering statements above".
I wasn't aware that the Hitler Youth was a left wing organisation. I guess you learn something new every day. Thanks for that.
You didn't log in, so my statement passes unfettered.
ArcherB goes on slashdot to deliberately misstate sections of the suit.
Yeah, that's actually true.
Here's the crucial bit from the appeal:
(taken from the wiki article on the subject, that cites numerous sources http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Akre )
An appeal was filed, and a ruling in February 2003 came down in favor of WTVT, who successfully argued that the FCC policy against falsification was not a "law, rule, or regulation", and so the whistle-blower law did not qualify as the required "law, rule, or regulation" under section 448.102 of the Florida Statutes. ... Because the FCC's news distortion policy is not a "law, rule, or regulation" under section 448.102 of the Florida Statutes, Akre has failed to state a claim under the whistle-blower's statute." The appeal did not address any falsification claims, noting that "as a threshold matter ... Akre failed to state a claim under the whistle-blower's statute," but noted that the lower court ruled against all of Wilson's charges and all of Akre's claims with the exception of the whistleblower claim that was overturned.
Thus, the right to lie. The court determined that Akre was not eligible to be covered by the whistleblower law because the FCC's policy against lying was not a law. Thus, they can broadcast a false news story and there's no law preventing it, nor can you be protected from being fired by whistleblower laws if you refuse to go along with it.
Fox and its affiliates are safe.
I replied to your AC troll pre-emptive defence of Fox News that aims to set up the high-school-quality debate technique that says that anyone who criticises Fox in the following discussion is somehow wrong because you already brought that up and "owned" the argument. (I assume that was you bravely not logging in, since you've taken the time to reply to a comment "that added nothing to the discussion" yet somehow was additive enough to be worth replying to, and in your haste to reply you forgot to check the bravery box).
"Hey guys, let's discuss topic X, but before we do, I know what you're all going to say so if you say that X sucks then you just don't get it! This debate is only allowed to have opinions I agree with!"
To reply directly to your guesswork over what I think of Fox News; no I don't usually bitch about them taking things out of context, I just assume they always do wherever possible. I save any bitching for egregious lies or the hilarious times where they don't understand grade school maths and create pie charts that add up to more than 100%, or for their fairly typical hypocrisy (for example, criticism of the president during Bush era = unamerican, unpatriotic hate speech, criticism of the president during Obama era = constitutionally protected free speech and show of patriotism).
They're a toxic propaganda channel funded by wealthy special interests who pay well for the truth to be heavily distorted, hence the lawsuit over the right to lie. If they'd lost that suit it becomes very difficult for them to carry out their primary mandate. I have much more than "one sentence" to draw on for my axe grinding - I don't type out everything in my head every time I post a message. I'm not sure how else to address that point.
Before anyone starts jumping on Fox News for whatever axe they have to grind with them, please substitute Fox News with "CNN" or "MSNBC" and ask yourself if your vitriol would be just the same.
"CNN went to court and won the right to lie in news broadcasts"
"MSNBC went to court and won the right to lie in news broadcasts"
Nope, doesn't work.
Vitriol unchanged.
I'm not talking about the native app though, I'm talking about going directly to youtube via Safari, or making it into a quicklaunched app. There's really no need for Google to go all out on a native app when the web experience already works extremely well.
Maybe because it doesn't run on iOS6 and is many years old and has less function than using Google maps in the browser?
Just a (well known, well reported) thought.
That would require that Apple get a new license to use Google's maps in their old app. They only have a year left so it's going to have to go away eventually. As it stands, you can get the same function by doing as Tim Cook suggested (and that many people already did), by going to google maps via the browser and making a quick launch icon on the Springboard.
The old maps app does not run on iOS6, so it's not as simple as just releasing it on iOS6 when you already know it's a dead end.
No, the plan was never "no google maps on iOS" the plan was "we need turn-by-turn navigation in iOS and our existing deal with Google does not enable that and we can't agree on licensing terms so we will have to roll our own".
There's no conspiracy to exorcise Google from iOS - they still have several apps on iOS, it's just that the native maps app is no longer one of them (an app written by Apple in the first place).
You've always been able to use google maps from Safari (or make an icon for it so you can launch it like an app), and many people did it this way because it had more features then the built in app which hadn't been updated in a long time. The same thing was true of Youtube - the version provided by Google on the web was better than the built in one (which Apple wrote back in 2007 and didn't see the need to update for this reason).
This is what we were promised in the OS X community when Steam launched on Mac OS X, and for the most part it has been a success - especially for Valve titles and smaller indie titles. Most of the big publishers are sticking to Windows though - likely because they're not using Source and the engines they do use have separate licensing for different platforms (or worse, only available on Windows).
Yes, they will allow it.
Just like they allowed Bing maps, which you could also use if you preferred.
Claim: "Of course, John Gruber would never post anything negative about Apple or would never admit to them making a mistake."
Answer: Frequent and numerous evidence to the contrary.
Your reply: Well, that doesn't count! It's not critical enough! Stop confusing my bias with facts!
You're still thinking hydrogen has to be the way it is now - a fuel cell and a tank of gas. If we sort out the production issue (something I'm actively researching as a chemist) and the storage issue (something my colleagues are actively working on, and it won't look anything like a tank of pressurised gas) then you're not limited to using it to run a fuel cell, although of course you can if you need to. You can burn it, or simply react it with something else and extract energy from that process. Right now that sort of reaction is catalysed by platinum (the reason fuel cells are expensive), but it doesn't have to be.
Imagine a vehicle (or a charging station for EVs) that runs on water and sunlight (PV and catalytic water reduction to produce H2).
It is unlikely that EVs are going to replace every aspect of our transport infrastructure. They might replace all cars, but large trucks are going to need more than 300 miles of range, and might go the way of locomotives, with a prime mover powered by hydrogen, or syngas, or ethanol and electric motors driving the wheels.
Like I said to someone else, I'm not sure how this turned into an "either/or" discussion (perhaps because that's the nature of slashdot?) - I'm not against electric vehicles just because I'm also a proponent of hydrogen research. I know other colleagues who are working on improving efficiency of solar PV and we're not combative because the future applications could potentially overlap.