"Thanks to a new feature approved this week by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee, you won't hear Fedora 18 users bragging about systems that have been running continuously for months on end."
Except that's not true. At all. This affects only graphical updates via PackageKit. If you want to continue to update on-the-fly you can perfectly happily do so via yum.
The ITU preceded the UN and has been the international body that deals with co-ordinating telecommunications between countries for well over a century. Seems like a perfectly appropriate body for...co-ordinating international telecommunications, really.
Not to mention this is the fifth article on the same damn topic with no new information from Slashdot in the last few weeks. Slashdot: new home of bizarre ITU conspiracymongering.
People seem to be discussing this as if there'll be some sort of automatic online marketplace where you fill in your credit card details, pay $99, and get sent a signing key that you can use to sign whatever the hell you want. This is not at all how it works. You go through a somewhat onerous registration process, send your code to Microsoft/Verisign, they check it and decide if they want to sign it, and if they think it's okay, they ask you for $99. Then you give them $99 and they sign it. Then you can release it.
One, it's not how Secure Boot works. You just can't do that.
Two, why would a sub-key of the Microsoft key not be cancellable? The whole point of sub-keys is they can be cancelled without invalidating the master key.
Three, why exactly would Red Hat want to take on the considerable legal responsibility for everyone else's distributions?
Erm...except it does. Try reading the article, not the badly misleading summary. SecureBoot allows the user to add new keys as trusted keys. It will be perfectly possible to generate your own key, add it to your UEFI firmware, sign your OS bootloader with that key, and ditch the Microsoft key, if you don't want to boot Windows. pjones is in fact already working on tools to help you do this.
We did. No-one wanted to be one. It would be a thankless task which involved a large degree of legal liability and no profit. There are not exactly organizations lining up to do the job.
All machines will allow you to disable the feature. This is now a requirement for Microsoft certification (one of the concessions Red Hat and others were able to get out of Microsoft while we were busy not fighting this and rolling over...wait a second.)
...except that's about a large but lazy 'nation' dealing with small but plucky gadflies. Which is more or less the precise opposite of this situation. Unless you wish to argue that Red Hat has the ability to exert a stronger influence on the desktop market than Microsoft can, but can't be bothered to go the trouble, in which case I would very much like two of whatever you're having.
By 'helped', what you appear to mean is 'Apple wrote a monumentally fucked up implementation of UEFI which completely screws up the careful provisions in the UEFI spec for booting multiple devices and operating systems, then grudgingly implemented their own bizarrely designed and borderline-unworkable alternative, which they support solely for the purpose of booting Windows'.
If they'd just written a sane UEFI firmware in the first place, it would be able to boot any OS you like inherently. But they didn't want to. Then their users forced them to come up with a bad hack to make Windows boot work. Exemplary behaviour, this is not.
in her current fantasy series, the Bad Guys can use dark magic to inhabit the bodies of Good Guys (or, well, anyone). so maybe we _really_ need to barcode the soul!
Actually, some of her sf books are great. Hunting Party is one of the most terrible things ever written, though, so either skip it or slog your way through it. Serrano gets good from Winning Colors (book #3) onwards, the Vatta stuff is pretty good all the way through.
One little detail? The suit doesn't fit him, neither does the shirt, his top button's undone, and that tie is hideous. And you shouldn't wear a blue suit with a black tie for a wedding in the first place; if you're not going to wear a morning coat at _least_ wear the correct colors, i.e. light grey for the suit and grey/silver for the tie.
The guy's a freaking gazillionaire and he can't even be bothered to dress nice for his wedding? Yeesh. All he'd have to do is give a flunky a few thousand and tell him to take care of the details and leave it lying on his bed. At least she looks good.
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"Thanks to a new feature approved this week by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee, you won't hear Fedora 18 users bragging about systems that have been running continuously for months on end."
Except that's not true. At all. This affects only graphical updates via PackageKit. If you want to continue to update on-the-fly you can perfectly happily do so via yum.
I also do not like $LOCATION. Where's my funny points?
Well, he rarely drives.
The ITU preceded the UN and has been the international body that deals with co-ordinating telecommunications between countries for well over a century. Seems like a perfectly appropriate body for...co-ordinating international telecommunications, really.
Not to mention this is the fifth article on the same damn topic with no new information from Slashdot in the last few weeks. Slashdot: new home of bizarre ITU conspiracymongering.
Note that the default in Fedora is also SHA-512. It seems the summary's claim that md5crypt is 'the default' is somewhat too sweeping.
If you did that, the key would be revoked.
People seem to be discussing this as if there'll be some sort of automatic online marketplace where you fill in your credit card details, pay $99, and get sent a signing key that you can use to sign whatever the hell you want. This is not at all how it works. You go through a somewhat onerous registration process, send your code to Microsoft/Verisign, they check it and decide if they want to sign it, and if they think it's okay, they ask you for $99. Then you give them $99 and they sign it. Then you can release it.
That's for x86. The OP of this sub-thread is correct that the requirements for Windows certification for ARM devices are different.
However, far fewer ARM devices are going to care about Windows certification.
For the tenth time, the Microsoft certification requirements include a requirement that the user must be able to disable secureboot.
Well, there's only about ten problems with that.
One, it's not how Secure Boot works. You just can't do that.
Two, why would a sub-key of the Microsoft key not be cancellable? The whole point of sub-keys is they can be cancelled without invalidating the master key.
Three, why exactly would Red Hat want to take on the considerable legal responsibility for everyone else's distributions?
Erm...except it does. Try reading the article, not the badly misleading summary. SecureBoot allows the user to add new keys as trusted keys. It will be perfectly possible to generate your own key, add it to your UEFI firmware, sign your OS bootloader with that key, and ditch the Microsoft key, if you don't want to boot Windows. pjones is in fact already working on tools to help you do this.
We did. No-one wanted to be one. It would be a thankless task which involved a large degree of legal liability and no profit. There are not exactly organizations lining up to do the job.
No.
All machines will allow you to disable the feature. This is now a requirement for Microsoft certification (one of the concessions Red Hat and others were able to get out of Microsoft while we were busy not fighting this and rolling over...wait a second.)
...except that's about a large but lazy 'nation' dealing with small but plucky gadflies. Which is more or less the precise opposite of this situation. Unless you wish to argue that Red Hat has the ability to exert a stronger influence on the desktop market than Microsoft can, but can't be bothered to go the trouble, in which case I would very much like two of whatever you're having.
"($99 covers maybe 3-4 hours of someone's time)."
It covers a hell of a lot less of mjg59's time than that, I suspect.
Er, no, it really isn't. The article is talking specifically about the situation wrt Intel hardware. Not ARM. You are entirely incorrect.
That's an interesting definition of 'helped'.
By 'helped', what you appear to mean is 'Apple wrote a monumentally fucked up implementation of UEFI which completely screws up the careful provisions in the UEFI spec for booting multiple devices and operating systems, then grudgingly implemented their own bizarrely designed and borderline-unworkable alternative, which they support solely for the purpose of booting Windows'.
If they'd just written a sane UEFI firmware in the first place, it would be able to boot any OS you like inherently. But they didn't want to. Then their users forced them to come up with a bad hack to make Windows boot work. Exemplary behaviour, this is not.
...don't turn yet another Fedora release thread into a GNOME Shell argument, people. It's just a desktop. We have lots of them.
If you don't like GNOME, don't use it. You can pick GNOME, KDE, Xfce, LXDE or Sugar right from the package customization screen of a Fedora 17 DVD install, or you can download any one of those desktops as a live spin at https://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#desktops or https://spins.fedoraproject.org/ .
If you don't like GNOME, don't use it, but that doesn't mean you can't use Fedora, or that Fedora is bad.
Cinnamon certainly does. It's under review for Fedora at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=771252 . If you're in a hurry, you can get the .src.rpms from there and rebuild them.
in her current fantasy series, the Bad Guys can use dark magic to inhabit the bodies of Good Guys (or, well, anyone). so maybe we _really_ need to barcode the soul!
Actually, some of her sf books are great. Hunting Party is one of the most terrible things ever written, though, so either skip it or slog your way through it. Serrano gets good from Winning Colors (book #3) onwards, the Vatta stuff is pretty good all the way through.
One little detail? The suit doesn't fit him, neither does the shirt, his top button's undone, and that tie is hideous. And you shouldn't wear a blue suit with a black tie for a wedding in the first place; if you're not going to wear a morning coat at _least_ wear the correct colors, i.e. light grey for the suit and grey/silver for the tie.
The guy's a freaking gazillionaire and he can't even be bothered to dress nice for his wedding? Yeesh. All he'd have to do is give a flunky a few thousand and tell him to take care of the details and leave it lying on his bed. At least she looks good.
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It meant something in BASIC. Which gives you an idea.