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Fedora 17 Released
ekimd writes "Fedora 17 aka "Beefy Miracle" is released. Some of the major features include: ext4 with >16TB filesystems, dynamic firewall configuration, automatic multi-seat, and more. Major software updates include Gnome 3.4, GIMP 2.8, and GCC 4.7. The full feature list can be found here. Personally, I still find Gnome 3 to be an 'unholy mess' so I'm loving XFCE with Openbox."
Good heavens, what an unfortunate name for a Linux release.
That is honestly the worst release name I ever heard. It sounds like a porn star nickname.
Manatees?
Has Alt+tab been fixed to work with windows by default and not apps?
Otherwise known as the "BM" edition. Lame...
I actually grew to like the alt-tab part pretty quickly.
I still miss 'window title search' and 'show all windows for an app' that I had in compiz.....
Also, only allowing configuration through themes and extensions is frustrating...
You may wish to try Cinnamon from Mint, last time I tried it was a tad incomplete though.
Can't stand unity either...... Gnome 3 is the less of the two evils.
There is also always KDE and xfce...
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
based on screenshots.
http://shaiton.fedorapeople.org/screenshot/f17_en/
http://beefymiracle.org/
You do realize that the Fedora leadership expressly does *not* want to be part of corporate applications right? From a business perspective, the goal is to have a research and development strategy that takes advantage of enthusiasts willingness to have a less stable environment to test and develop features and concepts that ultimately land in 'Red Hat Enterprise Linux', the most popular 'enterprisy' instance of Linux there is?
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
At least for the server side of things, nobody in their right mind runs Fedora on production systems anyhow.
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I'm pretty sure RH is doing well in the corporate world.
Red Hat is the corporate application. Fedora is the comunity project that gets funding from RH.
Isn't this supposed to be news?, who cares what you think about Gnome 3?
I don't say it might not be a valid discussion (which has been made over and over), but just stating that you hate it on the summary as you do seems to be very out of place.
... Because RedHat wouldn't make money that way, at least not while remaining to appear as some open source fanboy.
Holy cow!
No, because CentOS would be a far better choice.
...than Prancing Peacock for example.
now let's see what the distro's like.
Every straight man likes an open box...
... which is always fun to talk about. Fedora is really pushing the state of Linux forward more than any other distro. /usr to make the filesystem more sane.
systemd for faster boot and starter reactions to changes (eg USB device plugged in). Moving every thing to
Single window gimp! And lots more.
Somehow Beefy Miracle was not the 2 words I was thinking. Great job on making yourself even more irrelevant and chasing the herd mentality.
-Gentoo user since 2006
Already 3 people tried, and likely more will try to package everything. But Unity is evolving too fast, and no one want to take care of compiz.
It was a great ride while it lasted. Too bad about your interface. Hope it heals soon.
Hello Fedora!
One thing I'm wondering - how improved is their package management? As I've noted in the past, apt-get is far more advanced, and on the BSD side of things, so is PBI. So has Fedora/Red Hat done anything to enable packages in rpm format to be more easily installed, as in not run into dependency hell?
Also, how does Fedora compare w/ other rpm based distros, such as Mageia, Mandriva, PCLinuxOS and so on?
Looks like Unity and Cinnamon are 2 DEs that don't exist for rpm based distros.
Yeah but nobody is going to want to use RHEL with gnome3 (Desktop users doing stuff like CAD/CAM/EDA) dunno who else actually pays for the desktop version.
RHEL7 ( Based on "Beefy Miracle")
I still miss 'window title search' and 'show all windows for an app' that I had in compiz.....
Window title search: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/317/window-display/ shows the matching windows in the Overview as you type.
Show all Windows for an app: Maybe I'm missing something but I use Cycle through the apps with Alt-TAB, Cycle throught the windows for an app with Alt-AboveTAB. Which means to cycle through the windows for the current app, one press of Alt-AboveTAB shows the set. I use the cursor keys in Alt-TAB to navigate as well - not sure that is in Vanilla Gnome 3.4.
Anything I post is strictly my own thoughts and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the opinions of IBM.
Yup. I can personally attest to that. I manage a workgroup of approximately 1,700 computers (desktop and laptop) for my company's IT department, all set up with Kerberos and full disk encryption. We used to use RHEL, but once Gnome came out it was absurdly difficult for me to install another DE/WM. It would have taken me close to three minutes to install another package - not counting downloading time! - and I don't even want to think about how long it would have taken to distribute that to our desktop machines through a script for those interested. It's not like these are just the defaults that can be changed anytime.
At least the Fedora people use nice default wallpapers. I run Fedora on my home machine and I would be absolutely devastated if the latest release came with an ugly wallpaper. I might have to change it myself!
Plain old xfce works just fine without any trickery. Except for the creation of custom icons. That requires a few more steps than I like, but I'll live. Its very very stable.
Thanks for that. I do wish the window previews were a bit more usably large (as it stands, the thumbnail is just too small to make out wtf it is).
The alt-tab behavior you describe is vanilla, but when you have dozens of terminals and you *know* a substring in a title, a search is more effective than traversing. If referring to it being a substitute for 'show all windows for an app', the problem being the UI in compize/kde uses maybe 90% of screen real estate to facilitate decipherable previews, where alt-above-tab uses maybe 15% of the screen real estate and the rest is pretty much unused.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
I think that the major problem here is compiz. Even Ubuntu devs have problem with it (Ubuntu 12.04 contains some pretty serious bugs related to compiz). It is baically unmaintained these days. But still. No Unity no Fedora for me.
Cinnamon certainly does. It's under review for Fedora at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=771252 . If you're in a hurry, you can get the .src.rpms from there and rebuild them.
...don't turn yet another Fedora release thread into a GNOME Shell argument, people. It's just a desktop. We have lots of them.
If you don't like GNOME, don't use it. You can pick GNOME, KDE, Xfce, LXDE or Sugar right from the package customization screen of a Fedora 17 DVD install, or you can download any one of those desktops as a live spin at https://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#desktops or https://spins.fedoraproject.org/ .
If you don't like GNOME, don't use it, but that doesn't mean you can't use Fedora, or that Fedora is bad.
The Gods cried when 12.4 wasn't named Pretty Pony.
I was able to get rid of most of the dumb stuff in gnome3, and return Fedora 16 to a useful state by adding cinnamon.
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So, now we have Flamebait even in an article summary? What the heck. I am really pissed off by all this. This should be an article about the release of a nice, community-led distro, and instead some idiot manages to slip into it a trolling comment against GNOME 3.
I don't care about OpenBox, XFCE, XMonad or whatever else you like to use. The title says "Fedora 17 Released", not "Random user finds GNOME 3 an unholy mess". If you really want to cite alternatives to the default DE, at least link to the relevant articles on the Fedora Wiki that document how to install them!
ekimd, you really couldn't do without, heh?
...is now included with Fedora 17. Yay!
Someone actually likes unity? I'm amazed.
Gnome3 is dodgy, but that is what we have kde/xfce/etc for.
Speaking of GNOME3, does Fedora offer it only in Fallback mode (due to the issue of liberated GPU 3D accelaration drivers), or does it come fully featured?
Looks like Unity & Cinnamon are missing from .rpm based distros. MATE I'm guessing is still available, as is Trinity and all other major DEs
Oops, double posted - my apologies
Unity is not perfect. But still it's usability is much better than original Gnome 2.x and (as I mentioned in my previous post) still better than Gnome 3.x. KDE/xfce/etc are not solutions either. Unity Dash with lenses, scopes simply rock and make work much faster and easier.
I just find that everything I do in gnome 3 takes more steps...ie more clicks, more resizing, more drilling down, and on top of it all one additional click that does nothing more then get you off that useless page that is your faux desktop. For me and the way I use my computers this is not a step forward, but two steps back. If gnome 3 was on a smart phone, or a tablet, and I ran one application at a time, it would be pretty, and get the job done. But I run this on a desktop computer with fair horse power, lots of memory, and with a BIG monitor, just so that I can have several things going on at once and see them all without a lot of dragging, drilling down, resizing, and general piddling around every time I sit down. I can do everything I need to with Gnome 3, it is just more work. Not sure what the gnome folks were thinking. I've heard it said that they were enamored with OS-X, don't know. However at work I have a very nice brand new iMac with Lion on it, and it is much easier to use and has a very different orientation then gnome 3.
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What kind of system do you have, and what size monitor? Just wondering.
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The smallest is is dual core P4 with 3gb of memory and a 22 inch flat screen monitor. The largest is a 64 bit quad core (intel) with 4gb of memory and a 27 inch monitor.
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