Ok, I have found myself in a similar situation. After lots of bitching from myself and fellow programmers we got compensated very well. Hell, you know damn right that the company is going to make bucks because they are getting this contract because they are screwing you.
This is how I pitched this to my management and project leaders:
"8*5=40*2=80 and 12*7=84*2=164 if you think that anyone here is going to work 160+ hours for the same wages that you are paying them for 80 hours you have your heads up your asses."
I wouldn't even consider this without some sort of compensation. Add to that, that in this poor fellows situation the guy next to him may be getting payed for the OT! Start looking for another job, cause if they get away with this they will do it again.
Also, this is a win-win for the company. They are getting the contract, they are looking good to the company that has ordered the work, and they are paying less in wages than if you worked the same amount of hours in 40 hour weeks. They are actually saving money!
So true. This is just what I was thinkning when I was reading the article. It is not the "13 year old newbies " that are causing the trouble for the **AA, it is the geeks that know better that are the real threat. A newbie will have a few hundred songs max, fill up the 6gig HD on their mom and dad's 166mhz pile of crap and be done with it. Where as there are a lot of techno-weenies out there with thousands of music files, gigs of pr0n and whole HD's filled with hollywood's latest offerings. The techno-weenies will never fall for these tricks.
I run my web server from home and my ISP pays for the bandwidth!!;)
I'm on my second warning though, these posts should give some good info on where to start shopping...
Or i could just switch ISPs again.
In this case, and in a lot of cases really, there really is no retraining involved. As stated in previous posts, this bank, like many other organizations, has staff that need only a couple of applications to perform their funtions. These can be ported to *nix and nobody needs to be the wiser.
I would love to switch our desktops at the company I work for to Linux. Most of the employees currently use db applications that have a SQL backend and an ERP/sales orders/work orders/inventory system. The databases could easily be hosted using mySQL and easy web-based apps could be created and users could run mozilla. Also, all our users need email. This is just as easy in Windows as it is Linux.
The main reason for me loving this so much is that there would be no more users with stock-tickers in the corner of their screens, no more instant messaging or p2p file-sharing apps, no more useless games and applications downloaded, no more damn SETI@home screensavers, no more virii, no more worrying about the outlook preview pane,... and the list goes on.
Sure the new apps may be a little different, sure you may need a little retraining for your users, but they will only know what they need to know.
These laws really suck. But I think a lot of us are missing the real issue at hand here. It is not that the bad code mentioned in the article would stifle the growth of technology and the internet, it is not that they affect our daily internet/pr0n/piracy binges, nor is it the fact that people with no real knowledge of the technology are making/passing them. The real issue is that although the majority of the american population does not want these laws to be passed a few people with a lot of money are making it happen. Democracy my ass!! And what can we 'the people' do about it?? Nothing.
I am glad I am presently living/working in Canada. Maybe I will stay here;)
What?? I don't think anyone is debating whether or not the sharing of copywritten files or kiddie-porn is legal. The fact of the matter here is that the government has given lisence to anyone to get a start-up going that probes people computers *looking* for said files and passes it's findings onto the authorities. This is just totally farked!!
Reason for Farked-upedness #1: As mentioned in a previous post the work here is not being done by a government agency, a fact that I find truly troubling.
How are these people paid?? Don't tell me with our tax money!! These people stand to make a hell of a lot of money... maybe I should start randomly hacking computers and looking for criminal evidence and reporting it to the police for cash!!
Reason for farked-upedness #2: I liken this whole deal to Big Brother putting cameras and microphones in your home, car, under your bed, at work, etc. and recording everything that you say and do just in case you are a bad person.
This is shite... utter complete shite...
And another issue: Who does this effect? What if you are in a country that doesn't give a shit about the DMCA?? Where does BayTSP's juristiction extend?
Anyone want to start up a private ISP?? Then when companies like this come to us asking for our logs we tell them to Fark off!! Or better yet we reply: "Logs? We no need no stiiinking Logs!!"
Argh!!
I agree. The shitty thing is that according to the law this guy actually has a case. I don't think that people should be able to patent stuff like this. I wonder if anyone has a patent for purchasing cars or computers et al online? It seems so stupid to me. I think I am going to go out and patent my newest idea:
This patent covers the 'payment' of goods and services by little slips of paper called 'money'. Anybody that wishes to use this method of payment in their business model must now pay me.
This is just fu**ing retarded.
forget all the information passing. how big of a file you think would log one line for each originating IP to the URL requested... for every URL requested...for each IP... for each account... on an ISP's whole network?? And this can't just be viewed with notepad?? This is a HUGE relational database undertaking. Ethics aside, is this idea even plausable?? And at the ISP's expense?? I know the ISP that I work for isn't going to spring for a couple more rack mounted servers to host this shit... and I ain't building the db either!!
What?? track down script kiddies maybe... 'real' hackers?? They are either surfing and doing their dirty deeds anonymously or they are using your computer!!
Anyway... think about it. What would information like this be worth to advertisers, spammers, and the like?? Do you think any ISP can keep this information safe and secure?
I see how this could be used to gather evidence for an investigation... but there is too much at stake here.
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This is how I pitched this to my management and project leaders:
I wouldn't even consider this without some sort of compensation. Add to that, that in this poor fellows situation the guy next to him may be getting payed for the OT! Start looking for another job, cause if they get away with this they will do it again.
Also, this is a win-win for the company. They are getting the contract, they are looking good to the company that has ordered the work, and they are paying less in wages than if you worked the same amount of hours in 40 hour weeks. They are actually saving money!
So true. This is just what I was thinkning when I was reading the article. It is not the "13 year old newbies " that are causing the trouble for the **AA, it is the geeks that know better that are the real threat. A newbie will have a few hundred songs max, fill up the 6gig HD on their mom and dad's 166mhz pile of crap and be done with it. Where as there are a lot of techno-weenies out there with thousands of music files, gigs of pr0n and whole HD's filled with hollywood's latest offerings. The techno-weenies will never fall for these tricks.
I run my web server from home and my ISP pays for the bandwidth!! ;)
I'm on my second warning though, these posts should give some good info on where to start shopping...
Or i could just switch ISPs again.
In this case, and in a lot of cases really, there really is no retraining involved. As stated in previous posts, this bank, like many other organizations, has staff that need only a couple of applications to perform their funtions. These can be ported to *nix and nobody needs to be the wiser.
I would love to switch our desktops at the company I work for to Linux. Most of the employees currently use db applications that have a SQL backend and an ERP/sales orders/work orders/inventory system. The databases could easily be hosted using mySQL and easy web-based apps could be created and users could run mozilla. Also, all our users need email. This is just as easy in Windows as it is Linux.
The main reason for me loving this so much is that there would be no more users with stock-tickers in the corner of their screens, no more instant messaging or p2p file-sharing apps, no more useless games and applications downloaded, no more damn SETI@home screensavers, no more virii, no more worrying about the outlook preview pane, ... and the list goes on.
Sure the new apps may be a little different, sure you may need a little retraining for your users, but they will only know what they need to know.
I really fail to see a bad side here...
These laws really suck. But I think a lot of us are missing the real issue at hand here. It is not that the bad code mentioned in the article would stifle the growth of technology and the internet, it is not that they affect our daily internet/pr0n/piracy binges, nor is it the fact that people with no real knowledge of the technology are making/passing them. The real issue is that although the majority of the american population does not want these laws to be passed a few people with a lot of money are making it happen. Democracy my ass!! And what can we 'the people' do about it?? Nothing. ;)
I am glad I am presently living/working in Canada. Maybe I will stay here
- Reason for Farked-upedness #1: As mentioned in a previous post the work here is not being done by a government agency, a fact that I find truly troubling.
How are these people paid?? Don't tell me with our tax money!! These people stand to make a hell of a lot of money... maybe I should start randomly hacking computers and looking for criminal evidence and reporting it to the police for cash!!- Reason for farked-upedness #2: I liken this whole deal to Big Brother putting cameras and microphones in your home, car, under your bed, at work, etc. and recording everything that you say and do just in case you are a bad person.
This is shite... utter complete shite... And another issue: Who does this effect? What if you are in a country that doesn't give a shit about the DMCA?? Where does BayTSP's juristiction extend? Anyone want to start up a private ISP?? Then when companies like this come to us asking for our logs we tell them to Fark off!! Or better yet we reply: "Logs? We no need no stiiinking Logs!!" Argh!!I agree. The shitty thing is that according to the law this guy actually has a case. I don't think that people should be able to patent stuff like this. I wonder if anyone has a patent for purchasing cars or computers et al online? It seems so stupid to me. I think I am going to go out and patent my newest idea: This patent covers the 'payment' of goods and services by little slips of paper called 'money'. Anybody that wishes to use this method of payment in their business model must now pay me. This is just fu**ing retarded.
forget all the information passing. how big of a file you think would log one line for each originating IP to the URL requested... for every URL requested...for each IP... for each account... on an ISP's whole network?? And this can't just be viewed with notepad?? This is a HUGE relational database undertaking. Ethics aside, is this idea even plausable?? And at the ISP's expense?? I know the ISP that I work for isn't going to spring for a couple more rack mounted servers to host this shit... and I ain't building the db either!!
What?? track down script kiddies maybe... 'real' hackers?? They are either surfing and doing their dirty deeds anonymously or they are using your computer!! Anyway... think about it. What would information like this be worth to advertisers, spammers, and the like?? Do you think any ISP can keep this information safe and secure? I see how this could be used to gather evidence for an investigation... but there is too much at stake here.