...unjust war and unneccessary application of the death penalty to be as big of a sin as abortion or euthanasia...
I agree, and I think all of my Christian friends do, though many of us would allow euthanasia if a family desires to withhold special/medical treatment (passive euthanasia).
...the word "Trinity" cannot be found in scripture...
Are you using that as an argument? Given two distinct languages, especially vastly destinct with little overlap or carryover, there will always be ideas and things that aren't summarized by a single word in both languages. Many words and phrases in Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek have no word-for-word equivalent in Latin or English. BTW, do you think the translation of the Bible as the Latin Volgate is inspired, inerrent, or infallible? Many words are given a full-bodied definition, and the "members" of that body can be derived from various sources and locations in source material (e.g., the 66 books of the Bible). The one word-label for the result of the systematic theology of the nature and persons of God, the result being a culmination of truth from the texts speaking on the subject matter: prooftexts that the Father is not the Son nor the Holy Spirit, and visa versa visa, that each is God and eternal, that there is no other God, that one talks to the other (e.g., not my will, but thine be done), one sends the other (I will send another in my name...the Comforter), the baptism of Jesus where the Spirit appears as a dove descending upon him and the Father says This is my son...etc.
It doesn't take a genius, Creed, Council, Confession, Tradition, or Pope for a common reader to put the pieces together while hearing or reading the source material. The reader can accumulate the pieces of the definition and assign a simple word to it all if he so chooses; "Trinity" just happens to be by far the most popular/accepted one.
Real Roman Catholics recognize that Vatican II was an ecumenical council- and thus is binding. The heretical extremes are not important- the wide center follows the Pope, First Among Equals, the Vicarius Fillis Christus.
The same type of argument can be used by Protestants following the ecumenical Creeds, the Councils such as the explicit sovereignty of God in all things such as prayer as stated in the Council of Orange, and the Confessions of the Reformation: Westminster, the Three Forms of Unity (Belgic Confession, The Heidelberg Catechism, The Canons of Dordt), etc.
The Jesus Seminar
Don't even Catholic scholars consider the members of that seminar to be self-deceived idiots?
Well then, I guess we could both agree that the recent "Evangelical and Catholics Together" documents on unity and essential similarity are a bunch of crap : )
Search Amazon.com for "systematic theology" and tell me the ratio of Catholic to Protestant authors and which one, if any, finds basis for the Trinity only in Tradition.
And Catholics have unified theology? Since when? Many Catholic churches could care less about the Papal bull from Rome, Mariology, praying to saints, etc., and there's the pre-Council of Trent reformed/conservative Catholics, the pre-Vatican II Catholics, etc., with Catholics (such as Mel Gibson) waiting for the RCC to acknowledge recent mistakes.
As for book dating, even the liberals think the last book was written circa AD 96, but it's obvious that it pre-dated the phrophesied destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
I use "sin" to refer to the breaking of God's laws, not man's. The Pharisees and Saducees accused Jesus of blasphemy and sin; Jesus rebuked them for breaking God's laws, stating which of their mere traditions and additions to the God's laws in fact broke/contradicted many of them.
Most Chistians hold Trinitarianism as the essential/core/fundamental requirment to be considered a Christian Church as opposed to a Cult. Generally speaking, if a church believes the Trinity, it is either Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, or Protestant. The Oneness Pentacostal belief in modalism, the Jehovah's Witnesses' belief that Jesus is the Archangel Michael, and the Mormons belief that Jesus was the spirit brother of Lucifer and that Joseph Smith attained Godhood are therefore all excluded. If Protestant, then Sola Scriptura (Bible alone is inspired, inerrant, infallible, and no special office of Pope is given to man to do infallible interpreting) was and is the main focus of departure. No Papal succession from Peter (the Apostle to the Jews who Jesus publicly rebuked), no Papal infallibilty when speaking on matters of faith/practice/whatever. No Papal dogma such as the Immaculate Conception of Mary, the Assumption of Mary into Heaven (that she didn't die), the Apparitions of Mary, The Bleeding Sacred Heart of Mary, Mary as Co-Mediatrix and Co-Redemptrix along with Jesus, praying to Mary (and the other specialized saints), the "Mary understands women better" B.S., the bone of so-and-so, the wood splinter of such-and-such, the Sacred Tampon of Mary, ad nauseam...
Christ was and is perfect; the sins of the elect were imputed to him rather than infused into his being. "Trinity" refers to the 3 persons--Father, Son, and Holy Spirit--having one nature, God. Jesus is 1 person with 2 natures--fully human and fully God (the Son). I hope by your mention that Jesus could "be moral" that you mean perfectly so (ie., sinless). God the Father would only accept a pure white sinless lamb as the scapegoat for our sin. BTW, Catholics were free to not believe the Immaculate Conception of Mary according to the Council of Trent; it was dogmatized by Pius IX's pontifications in the mid-19th century. Rather than get caught up in the immaculate conception of Mary's mother's mother, etc., a new kind of grace has been imagined to explain Mary's sinlessness..."prevenient" grace to keep the imperfect (though blessed) Mary from sinning. How convenient.
If you reject the notion that God can use men who sinned to record exactly what He wanted to say and exactly the way he wanted to say it (via the writer's life experiences, etc.), then how could you accept that God the Son was perfect even though He came from Mary? (Or in case you rather believe in the anti-biblical notion of the Immaculate Conception of Mary, then consider Mary's parents.)
So, let me see...the Lord, who controlled everything about the design and up-bringing of Moses, chose how to communicate a particular message to Moses. But lo and behold, it was not possible for the Lord to convey the message, let alone the meaning. The Lord didn't take into account that Moses "was a simple desert tribesman" and only "heard from the Lord was what he wanted to hear..." The Lord, having no ultimate control of either the communication or the transcribing process, was regretfully yet necessarily misquoted and misunderstood. Right : )
Exodus 4:11 The LORD said to Moses, "Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the LORD?"
God's recorded statement to mankind is as true then as it is now. Some things never change.
Spend 5 minutes reading this to squash the notion of Determinism unless defined as whatever God pre-dertmined to happen is the only thing that can and will happen: http://www.1wit.com/christian/sovereignty.htm
We are bound by Naturalism, so a plausible explaination for the existence of such phenomena as a plane of galaxies slicing through a spiral galaxy in our doctrine of Big Bang cosmology: It's the result of a creative Go...uh, powerful Gravity, from Dark Stuff in the shape of filaments. No need to theorize what the Dark Stuff is or how it got there in that shape. We see the effects, and so we believe by faith that Dark Stuff exists...naturally.
Amazing how things don't gravitate towards these theorist's brains. And too bad; they need a slap in the face reality check.
And then there's the short form where you take the first 6 characters of the long name and append ~1 or ~2 or ~3 etc. for the subsequent long names that have the same first 6 characters.
BTW, Creation's Tiny Mystery is about radio halos found in the crystals of granite/earth's bedrock. The cross sections studied--2D bullseye patterns of the spherical decay layers of Palonium (214 IIRC)--show extemely short half-life rings; the rocks had to intstantly harden to capture them.
The 27th? Security firm PivX was able to program an update for preEmpt that blocked all of the WMF exploit vectors on Win9x and higher without breaking anything. It was made available for its auto-updating clients on December 7th (2005-12-07).
Security firm PivX was able to program an update for preEmpt that blocked all of the WMF exploit vectors on Win9x and higher without breaking anything. It was made available for its auto-updating clients on December 7th. (2005-12-07)
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...unjust war and unneccessary application of the death penalty to be as big of a sin as abortion or euthanasia...
...the word "Trinity" cannot be found in scripture...
I agree, and I think all of my Christian friends do, though many of us would allow euthanasia if a family desires to withhold special/medical treatment (passive euthanasia).
Are you using that as an argument? Given two distinct languages, especially vastly destinct with little overlap or carryover, there will always be ideas and things that aren't summarized by a single word in both languages. Many words and phrases in Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek have no word-for-word equivalent in Latin or English. BTW, do you think the translation of the Bible as the Latin Volgate is inspired, inerrent, or infallible? Many words are given a full-bodied definition, and the "members" of that body can be derived from various sources and locations in source material (e.g., the 66 books of the Bible). The one word-label for the result of the systematic theology of the nature and persons of God, the result being a culmination of truth from the texts speaking on the subject matter: prooftexts that the Father is not the Son nor the Holy Spirit, and visa versa visa, that each is God and eternal, that there is no other God, that one talks to the other (e.g., not my will, but thine be done), one sends the other (I will send another in my name...the Comforter), the baptism of Jesus where the Spirit appears as a dove descending upon him and the Father says This is my son...etc. It doesn't take a genius, Creed, Council, Confession, Tradition, or Pope for a common reader to put the pieces together while hearing or reading the source material. The reader can accumulate the pieces of the definition and assign a simple word to it all if he so chooses; "Trinity" just happens to be by far the most popular/accepted one.
Real Roman Catholics recognize that Vatican II was an ecumenical council- and thus is binding. The heretical extremes are not important- the wide center follows the Pope, First Among Equals, the Vicarius Fillis Christus.
The same type of argument can be used by Protestants following the ecumenical Creeds, the Councils such as the explicit sovereignty of God in all things such as prayer as stated in the Council of Orange, and the Confessions of the Reformation: Westminster, the Three Forms of Unity (Belgic Confession, The Heidelberg Catechism, The Canons of Dordt), etc.
The Jesus Seminar
Don't even Catholic scholars consider the members of that seminar to be self-deceived idiots?
Regarding dating the book of Revelation: Before Jerusalem Fell: Dating the Book of Revelation http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0915815435/ and The Beast of Revelation http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0915815419/
Well then, I guess we could both agree that the recent "Evangelical and Catholics Together" documents on unity and essential similarity are a bunch of crap : )
Search Amazon.com for "systematic theology" and tell me the ratio of Catholic to Protestant authors and which one, if any, finds basis for the Trinity only in Tradition.
And Catholics have unified theology? Since when? Many Catholic churches could care less about the Papal bull from Rome, Mariology, praying to saints, etc., and there's the pre-Council of Trent reformed/conservative Catholics, the pre-Vatican II Catholics, etc., with Catholics (such as Mel Gibson) waiting for the RCC to acknowledge recent mistakes.
As for book dating, even the liberals think the last book was written circa AD 96, but it's obvious that it pre-dated the phrophesied destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
I use "sin" to refer to the breaking of God's laws, not man's. The Pharisees and Saducees accused Jesus of blasphemy and sin; Jesus rebuked them for breaking God's laws, stating which of their mere traditions and additions to the God's laws in fact broke/contradicted many of them.
Most Chistians hold Trinitarianism as the essential/core/fundamental requirment to be considered a Christian Church as opposed to a Cult. Generally speaking, if a church believes the Trinity, it is either Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, or Protestant. The Oneness Pentacostal belief in modalism, the Jehovah's Witnesses' belief that Jesus is the Archangel Michael, and the Mormons belief that Jesus was the spirit brother of Lucifer and that Joseph Smith attained Godhood are therefore all excluded. If Protestant, then Sola Scriptura (Bible alone is inspired, inerrant, infallible, and no special office of Pope is given to man to do infallible interpreting) was and is the main focus of departure. No Papal succession from Peter (the Apostle to the Jews who Jesus publicly rebuked), no Papal infallibilty when speaking on matters of faith/practice/whatever. No Papal dogma such as the Immaculate Conception of Mary, the Assumption of Mary into Heaven (that she didn't die), the Apparitions of Mary, The Bleeding Sacred Heart of Mary, Mary as Co-Mediatrix and Co-Redemptrix along with Jesus, praying to Mary (and the other specialized saints), the "Mary understands women better" B.S., the bone of so-and-so, the wood splinter of such-and-such, the Sacred Tampon of Mary, ad nauseam...
Christ was and is perfect; the sins of the elect were imputed to him rather than infused into his being. "Trinity" refers to the 3 persons--Father, Son, and Holy Spirit--having one nature, God. Jesus is 1 person with 2 natures--fully human and fully God (the Son). I hope by your mention that Jesus could "be moral" that you mean perfectly so (ie., sinless). God the Father would only accept a pure white sinless lamb as the scapegoat for our sin. BTW, Catholics were free to not believe the Immaculate Conception of Mary according to the Council of Trent; it was dogmatized by Pius IX's pontifications in the mid-19th century. Rather than get caught up in the immaculate conception of Mary's mother's mother, etc., a new kind of grace has been imagined to explain Mary's sinlessness..."prevenient" grace to keep the imperfect (though blessed) Mary from sinning. How convenient.
If you reject the notion that God can use men who sinned to record exactly what He wanted to say and exactly the way he wanted to say it (via the writer's life experiences, etc.), then how could you accept that God the Son was perfect even though He came from Mary? (Or in case you rather believe in the anti-biblical notion of the Immaculate Conception of Mary, then consider Mary's parents.)
So, let me see...the Lord, who controlled everything about the design and up-bringing of Moses, chose how to communicate a particular message to Moses. But lo and behold, it was not possible for the Lord to convey the message, let alone the meaning. The Lord didn't take into account that Moses "was a simple desert tribesman" and only "heard from the Lord was what he wanted to hear..." The Lord, having no ultimate control of either the communication or the transcribing process, was regretfully yet necessarily misquoted and misunderstood. Right : )
I would strike out your first word "with"
Exodus 4:11 The LORD said to Moses, "Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the LORD?"
God's recorded statement to mankind is as true then as it is now. Some things never change.
> pre-dertmined
make that pre-determined : )
Spend 5 minutes reading this to squash the notion of Determinism unless defined as whatever God pre-dertmined to happen is the only thing that can and will happen: http://www.1wit.com/christian/sovereignty.htm
We are bound by Naturalism, so a plausible explaination for the existence of such phenomena as a plane of galaxies slicing through a spiral galaxy in our doctrine of Big Bang cosmology: It's the result of a creative Go...uh, powerful Gravity, from Dark Stuff in the shape of filaments. No need to theorize what the Dark Stuff is or how it got there in that shape. We see the effects, and so we believe by faith that Dark Stuff exists...naturally.
Amazing how things don't gravitate towards these theorist's brains. And too bad; they need a slap in the face reality check.
Ah, I see their 2 videos are now available in DVD and free downloads: http://www.halos.com/videos.htm
And the # 1 Spyware Guideline: Does it only run in Windows?
God, BSD, and now spam?
I read your Journal; what's the link to the online version?
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c009.htm l
And then there's the short form where you take the first 6 characters of the long name and append ~1
or ~2 or ~3 etc. for the subsequent long names that have the same first 6 characters.
BTW, Creation's Tiny Mystery is about radio halos found in the crystals of granite/earth's bedrock. The cross sections studied--2D bullseye patterns of the spherical decay layers of Palonium (214 IIRC)--show extemely short half-life rings; the rocks had to intstantly harden to capture them.
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And you could save on the Radioisotopes book Volume 1 buy buying both volumes together: http://www.icr.org/store/index.php?main_page=pubs
Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth, Volume II http://www.icr.org/store/index.php?main_page=pubs_ product_book_info&products_id=2655
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Creation's Tiny Mystery by Robert V. Gentry http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0961675330/qid=1
Bones Of Contention: A Creationist Assessment Of Human Fossils by Marvin L. Lubenow http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0801065232/qid=1
Evolution on Trial by Dr. Thomas Kindell http://kindell.nwcreation.net/biography.htm (don't reading the excerpt; not representative)
Ooops, sorry. I was reading non-threaded.
The 27th? Security firm PivX was able to program an update for preEmpt that blocked all of the WMF exploit vectors on Win9x and higher without breaking anything. It was made available for its auto-updating clients on December 7th (2005-12-07).
Security firm PivX was able to program an update for preEmpt that blocked all of the WMF exploit vectors on Win9x and higher without breaking anything. It was made available for its auto-updating clients on December 7th. (2005-12-07)
Not true; see http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=173098&cid= 14405082
Users of PivX PreEmpt have been protected from all vectors of WMF exploits (and others) since December 7th. You can buy a 3-pack for $60 at pivx.com
Users of PivX PreEmpt have been protected from all vectors of WMF exploits since December 7th. You can buy a 3-pack for $60 at pivx.com
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[Yoda] Lava lamp perpetual it is.