That would work...except for the built-in holds where they do various checks. If a check fails, they have to keep the countdown timer paused until the problem is resolved.
Also, even without the built-in holds, what would happen if during the countdown a problem is detected and they need to repair it? Stop the clock? Keep it running?
I would much rather have NASA and their scientists/engineers do things right, rather than be pressed for time. If they have to hold for a few hours at T-43 hours, so be it.
T0 is launch time, period. They don't launch at T+5 hours because there was an issue and they kept the clock running.
It's just the way it works. I guess when one is launching a multi-billion dollar spacecraft on top of hundreds of thousands of gallons/pounds/whatever of rather volitile fuels, strapped to Big Beefy Missiles, carrying a multi-million/billion dollar payload, I'm pretty sure one doesn't want something to go wrong, and thus take every practical measure to ensure that the launch goes off without a hitch.
Actually, armor-piercing bullets for rifles were not designed to pierce bullet-resistant vests -- even standard "ball" rifle ammo goes through bullet-resistant vests like a knife through butter. Armor-piercing rifle ammunition was designed long before any sort of effective bullet-resistant body armor technology was developed.
Rather, they were designed to penetrate light armored vehicles, fuel tanks, and other war materiel. They are surprisingly ineffective against humans -- sure, they'll leave a hole, but they don't expand, tumble, or otherwise do anything than leave a bullet-diameter hole through a person.
Handgun bullets which are designed to be armor piercing (steel/hard metal core, jacket weight >25% of total bullet weight, etc. -- see the ATF website for specific properties that are illegal) are illegal.
That said, it is rare indeed to see criminal use of genuine armor-piercing ammunition. The societal cost/impact of armor piercing rifle ammunition is practically nil. Comparatively, the overall cost (in terms of lost profits, theft of intellectual property, etc.) of most P2P software designed specifically to infringe copyrights is quite high.
While the Supreme Court ruling certainly didn't render all P2P software illegal, it did however rule that the software be designed for legitimate purpose. The VCR, for example, can be used to illegally copy movies, but it can also be used to legally record television shows, duplicate home videos, etc., which was the purpose it was designed for.
That's possible, but the security architechture of Mac OS X is such that it would seriously limit the damage a virus could do.
Look at the number of Linux, BSD, Unix, and other unix-like systems used today. Millions are online on the public internet as web hosts, end-user machines, and so forth. Yes, there have been some attacks, but why haven't there been more? There's already vast quantities of them...they're certainly a good target.
Might it be that Mac OS X and other unix-like systems are, when properly configured (which Apple does right out of the box) a "harder target" than Windows? That regardless of the number of people using the system, it'll still be more difficult to attack, and if successfully breached, allows the attacker less use of the system?
Biodiesel is great for reciprocating-piston engines such as used in cars, trucks, many ships, etc.
However, how would it function in turbine engines, such as those used in helicopters, jet aircraft, etc.? Is it possible to refine vegeteble oil so that it can be used in these types of engines?
As for being a "net importer" of many things, that's true. I don't know if the US is a net importer of food, however...I seem to recall the US having the capacity to produce vast amounts of grain and other staple foods, quite a bit of which is donated to international food programs.
Everyone keeps talking about "outsourcing this" and "outsourcing that"...but I still note that, what, 95% of people in the US are employed? People are able to have a roof over their head, electricity, running water, a car, 50% in the US have computers, internet access, and so forth.
While I agree that moving to a "service-based" economy is silly, it still is able to employ a bunch of people, produce enough goods, and provide enough services to the point where the US economy is growing. Whether or not the economy is gong to be sustainable is a matter for the economists to work on. I'll stick with hard science, thank you.
If you're concerned about your email security, why not...oh, I don't know, buy a domain, web, and email hosting? Heck, you could even run the mailserver off your own DSL line at home and delete your own mail thoroughly. There. Problem solved.
Oh? You need to send mail to other people? Hmm. Gee. How about that wonderful thing called "PGP"? Thunderbird has built-in support for S/MIME security, and with the addition of the Enigmail extension has built-in PGP support. I use it daily for private emails. How much does it cost? Nothing.
If you need to access secure email from remote locations, or possibly have a psuedo-anonymous account, check out http://www.hushmail.com/. It's free (they also offer paid services), will generate PGP keys for you on the spot, yet all the encryption/decryption is done via a Java applet on your computer, such that even Hush can't read your email. They even have a "generate random address automatically" feature for those truly concerned about anonyminity. Yes, the keys stay on their server, but if you're truly concerned about the authorities, choose a very difficult passphrase -- they can only subpoena your keys; without the passphrase they can't decode them.
Save it all. With the exception of some mail archives lost to catastrophic disk failures (I keep archives for my own convenience, not for any official purposes, so I don't back them up), I keep all my email.
Thunderbird is able to import all my old mail archives (from years and years of Eudora) and search it effectively. If I were inclined to export all my archives from my Mac to my Windows machine, I could use Google Desktop Search to really search through it all.
Hmm. This is mildly frustrating -- the tracker only wants to torrent-ify files over 10MB. Being that the original movies are less than 10MB, this presents a problem.
I've talked to the host, and we'll see what they can do. Otherwise, I'm sure there's plenty of other mirrors available.
Add $40.55 shipping and $50.75 tax for a total of $740.30.
I put all the stuff into an old case with a 350W power supply I had lying around. Worked just fine, but ran a bit hot. Generic cases are cheap, and run about $20 on NewEgg. Total price for an air-cooled system: $760.30, with adjusted amounts for shipping and tax.
Add a Koolance PC2-601BLW case ($180) and a waterblock for my CPU and graphics card ($50 each) for a complete cost of $1,020.30.
I evidently underestimated the cost of the system, I stand corrected. Still, I was only about $200 off. Not bad.
This might not be *just* beneath the top-of-the-line, but it's right at the point of diminishing returns where it's simply not economical to spend more for minor performance increases.
I already had a KVM switch and cables, so I was able to use this new computer with my existing monitor, keyboard, mouse, and Monsoon sound system. If one were building a brand-new system, one would obviously need to buy these things for an additional cost.
High-bandwidth BitTorrent mirror in the US. All files are QuickTime.mov's.
honda.mov - Original Honda commercial. machine.mov - Full "machine" video. contraption.mov - Edited "machine" video showing each part in greater detail.
Arizona, Vermont, and New Hampshire are pretty darned "free". New Hampshire doesn't even have income or sales tax.
Of course, the latter two are pretty much out of the way from just about anything. *shrugs*
It seems like the more densely populated areas are, the more stupid laws are created. One of these days, I'm going to move to the Middle Of Nowhere, Arizona, just to get away from it all...
I built a machine that approached the point-of-diminishing-returns (i.e. not the top-of-the-line CPU and graphics card, as they're way too expensive...but something just beneath them) with an ABIT motherboard, Athlon64 CPU, NVIDIA 6600GT graphics card, etc.
Total cost? $600.
Add about $200 for water-cooling.
Final price: $800 plus tax. It can run Half-Life 2 at 160 frames per second. Surely it's more than enough to do home video/photo work.
Several reasons: 1) Your computer might not be on all the time. 2) Getting enough of the file "out there" with your computer being the initial seed is a bottleneck. 3) I'd rather spend a few hours uploading at max speed to HE's system, where they'd take over the tracking and seeding of the file on their ungodly-fast network. This would result in the file being more widely available and distributed a lot faster.
I also sent in a few request to them: 1) In the event that they finally start billing for bandwidth for BT, I suggsted that they only bill for "seed" bandwidth consumed, rather than tracker communications (which are generally low-overhead anyway). 2) I proposed that they allow customers to generate their own torrents, upload the.torrent file, and then have the customer act as the original seed for the file. If they charge for bandwidth for the service in the future, it might be significantly cheaper to just use HE as a high-availability tracker than as a seed point.
Many (nearly all) sources of weather information rely at least in part on the National Weather Service.
AWS, the parent company for WeatherBug, has a rather substantial network of weather stations around the country that augment the NWS information.
Charging for NWS information may increase the cost of providing third-party (Weather.com, Weather Underground, or even the evening news) weather reports.
1. UPS. 'nuff said. 2) Use a backup device -- say, a cellphone -- if you need high-availability. Also, look at the disaster-resistant ability of VoIP phones -- after September 11th, the phone networks in New York were utterly swamped with calls, including calls to emergency services, "routine" calls, and calls to/from concerned family members. Internet traffic, with the exception of the destroyed nodes in the WTC and surrounding buildings was largely unaffacted. VoIP phones would be able to work normally while traditional phones were unusable. VoIP usage would also not contribute to the load on the local POTS network in a disaster area. This is something I see rarely, if ever, brought up. 3) That same lack of regulation would also have a likely result of several, competing ISPs in one's area. If one's ISP throttles/blocks VoIP calls (which is unlikely, given the bandwidth usage of P2P services which are presently unblocked/throttled by nearly all providers), one could switch to a competing ISP.
While I was stationed with the Army in Fort Lewis, WA, I ordered a Vonage VoIP box. Configuration was simplicity itself, and the instructions provided were simple. I certainly didn't look at them, but a non-geek would find them quite easy. Reliability over the Comcast cable line in the barracks was (surprisingly, to me) exceptionally reliable.
I brought it back home when I was discharged, updated my address (which changed the 911 information on file), and hooked it up to my Speakeasy (and later Sonic.net) DSL connection. Flawless performance since then with the only downtime being from me muddling around with the sea of Cat5 behind my desk.
It certainly seems ready, at least to me, for Joe Average With Broadband. Obviously, improvements can (and will) be made, stability and reliability can be improved, etc. However, as long as the customer is informed that this is not a 100% uptime service like POTS (I'm surprised at the uptime of the POTS service, given the general ineptitude of SBC) and they're advised of any other limitations (i.e. quirks in 911 service, etc.), I see no problem for it to see widespread usage with a few publicly-disclosed caveats.
Assuming the toll free numbers are legit - why don't we just set our modems to autodial the voice number all night long - every connect will add to their phone bill - we could bankrupt somebody in a hurry!
A funny thing I've done is call up a spammer from a payphone tell them I was "very interested" in their product/service, and that they should call me ASAP. I leave the telephone number for another spammer. Then I call the "other" spammer, and do the same. Rinse, lather, repeat.:-)
So I took some time to read up on RBL/MAPS and agree with most of you here.. I guess my annoyance is directed at the fact that this is something I can not opt out of. No, I can *not* change ISPs, this is where I work.
That's the purpose of the RBL - To annoy people and to annoy ISPs to change their policies. If you *really* needed to send your mother an email, why not get a Hotmail account? Hmm?:-)
Sure, you'd think that all the senders of mail wouldn't mind getting a little picture to click on, but it gets REALLY annoying really fast. Yes, I know a sender only needs to click on it once for your account, but for every other account they send it too, they need to do it again. Very annoying.
Also, such a little "auto-reply" message *really* wastes bandwidth. Sure, it's just a few kilobytes, but so's any other image on the web...and you complain about how long it takes to download those, don't you?:-)
MsgTo.com also doesn't let you view the full headers of a spam from the web, so you can't report the spam you *DO* get.
One final thing: If you get an auto-reply from MsgTo, try changing the last number(s) of the URL it sends you. Lo and behold! You now have another user's email address, and it's verified! (Yes, I know, spammers probably won't send mail there, but think of the fun you could have by putting the "From" address as abuse@, and they get swamped with all the little 'Click Here to Authenticate' messages.:-))
My favorite thing: SpamCop. Parses spam with about 90%+ accuracy to its source, sends reports to proper administrators, and even offers mail filtering. (The whole SpamCop community looks out for each other. See http://spamcop.net/ for more info.) Oh, and they've got a cool newsgroup to boot!:-)
In the "good ol days" of the internet, having an open relay was the only way for mail to pass from one server to another. A server would bounce it from server to server until it finally got to its recipient.
Then people started abusing 'em.
That's when all of us admin-type folks decided to close their relays. Well, most of us anyways.:-)
That's one way that the RBL works -- Mail servers query the RBL list to see if it's from a "bad" source. Some ISP's configure their routers to discard ALL packets both to and from that source. That pretty much renders the "bad" host cut off ("blackholed") from that host. It's quite fun to see, really.:-)
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Surely you mean the Tusken Raiders, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tusken_Raiders
I just wikified the Sand_People page to point toward the Tusken_Raiders one, FYI. Thanks for pointing out that discrepancy.
That would work...except for the built-in holds where they do various checks. If a check fails, they have to keep the countdown timer paused until the problem is resolved.
Also, even without the built-in holds, what would happen if during the countdown a problem is detected and they need to repair it? Stop the clock? Keep it running?
I would much rather have NASA and their scientists/engineers do things right, rather than be pressed for time. If they have to hold for a few hours at T-43 hours, so be it.
T0 is launch time, period. They don't launch at T+5 hours because there was an issue and they kept the clock running.
It's just the way it works. I guess when one is launching a multi-billion dollar spacecraft on top of hundreds of thousands of gallons/pounds/whatever of rather volitile fuels, strapped to Big Beefy Missiles, carrying a multi-million/billion dollar payload, I'm pretty sure one doesn't want something to go wrong, and thus take every practical measure to ensure that the launch goes off without a hitch.
And who, pray tell, would you rather have regulating those companies? The government?
Actually, armor-piercing bullets for rifles were not designed to pierce bullet-resistant vests -- even standard "ball" rifle ammo goes through bullet-resistant vests like a knife through butter. Armor-piercing rifle ammunition was designed long before any sort of effective bullet-resistant body armor technology was developed.
Rather, they were designed to penetrate light armored vehicles, fuel tanks, and other war materiel. They are surprisingly ineffective against humans -- sure, they'll leave a hole, but they don't expand, tumble, or otherwise do anything than leave a bullet-diameter hole through a person.
Handgun bullets which are designed to be armor piercing (steel/hard metal core, jacket weight >25% of total bullet weight, etc. -- see the ATF website for specific properties that are illegal) are illegal.
That said, it is rare indeed to see criminal use of genuine armor-piercing ammunition. The societal cost/impact of armor piercing rifle ammunition is practically nil. Comparatively, the overall cost (in terms of lost profits, theft of intellectual property, etc.) of most P2P software designed specifically to infringe copyrights is quite high.
While the Supreme Court ruling certainly didn't render all P2P software illegal, it did however rule that the software be designed for legitimate purpose. The VCR, for example, can be used to illegally copy movies, but it can also be used to legally record television shows, duplicate home videos, etc., which was the purpose it was designed for.
That's possible, but the security architechture of Mac OS X is such that it would seriously limit the damage a virus could do.
Look at the number of Linux, BSD, Unix, and other unix-like systems used today. Millions are online on the public internet as web hosts, end-user machines, and so forth. Yes, there have been some attacks, but why haven't there been more? There's already vast quantities of them...they're certainly a good target.
Might it be that Mac OS X and other unix-like systems are, when properly configured (which Apple does right out of the box) a "harder target" than Windows? That regardless of the number of people using the system, it'll still be more difficult to attack, and if successfully breached, allows the attacker less use of the system?
Biodiesel is great for reciprocating-piston engines such as used in cars, trucks, many ships, etc.
However, how would it function in turbine engines, such as those used in helicopters, jet aircraft, etc.? Is it possible to refine vegeteble oil so that it can be used in these types of engines?
As for being a "net importer" of many things, that's true. I don't know if the US is a net importer of food, however...I seem to recall the US having the capacity to produce vast amounts of grain and other staple foods, quite a bit of which is donated to international food programs.
Everyone keeps talking about "outsourcing this" and "outsourcing that"...but I still note that, what, 95% of people in the US are employed? People are able to have a roof over their head, electricity, running water, a car, 50% in the US have computers, internet access, and so forth.
While I agree that moving to a "service-based" economy is silly, it still is able to employ a bunch of people, produce enough goods, and provide enough services to the point where the US economy is growing. Whether or not the economy is gong to be sustainable is a matter for the economists to work on. I'll stick with hard science, thank you.
If you're concerned about your email security, why not...oh, I don't know, buy a domain, web, and email hosting? Heck, you could even run the mailserver off your own DSL line at home and delete your own mail thoroughly. There. Problem solved.
Oh? You need to send mail to other people? Hmm. Gee. How about that wonderful thing called "PGP"? Thunderbird has built-in support for S/MIME security, and with the addition of the Enigmail extension has built-in PGP support. I use it daily for private emails. How much does it cost? Nothing.
If you need to access secure email from remote locations, or possibly have a psuedo-anonymous account, check out http://www.hushmail.com/. It's free (they also offer paid services), will generate PGP keys for you on the spot, yet all the encryption/decryption is done via a Java applet on your computer, such that even Hush can't read your email. They even have a "generate random address automatically" feature for those truly concerned about anonyminity. Yes, the keys stay on their server, but if you're truly concerned about the authorities, choose a very difficult passphrase -- they can only subpoena your keys; without the passphrase they can't decode them.
Oh, and Hush is located in Canada too.
Save it all. With the exception of some mail archives lost to catastrophic disk failures (I keep archives for my own convenience, not for any official purposes, so I don't back them up), I keep all my email.
Thunderbird is able to import all my old mail archives (from years and years of Eudora) and search it effectively. If I were inclined to export all my archives from my Mac to my Windows machine, I could use Google Desktop Search to really search through it all.
Hmm. This is mildly frustrating -- the tracker only wants to torrent-ify files over 10MB. Being that the original movies are less than 10MB, this presents a problem.
I've talked to the host, and we'll see what they can do. Otherwise, I'm sure there's plenty of other mirrors available.
*shakes fist*
NVIDIA GeForce 6600GT 128MB - $219
ABIT KV8-Pro Motherboard - $89
Maxtor 160GB HD - $91.95
AMD Athlon64 3200+ 2.2Ghz - $180
512MB Corsair RAM - $69.05
Subtotal: $649
Add $40.55 shipping and $50.75 tax for a total of $740.30.
I put all the stuff into an old case with a 350W power supply I had lying around. Worked just fine, but ran a bit hot. Generic cases are cheap, and run about $20 on NewEgg. Total price for an air-cooled system: $760.30, with adjusted amounts for shipping and tax.
Add a Koolance PC2-601BLW case ($180) and a waterblock for my CPU and graphics card ($50 each) for a complete cost of $1,020.30.
I evidently underestimated the cost of the system, I stand corrected. Still, I was only about $200 off. Not bad.
This might not be *just* beneath the top-of-the-line, but it's right at the point of diminishing returns where it's simply not economical to spend more for minor performance increases.
I already had a KVM switch and cables, so I was able to use this new computer with my existing monitor, keyboard, mouse, and Monsoon sound system. If one were building a brand-new system, one would obviously need to buy these things for an additional cost.
http://heypete.com:6969/
.mov's.
High-bandwidth BitTorrent mirror in the US. All files are QuickTime
honda.mov - Original Honda commercial.
machine.mov - Full "machine" video.
contraption.mov - Edited "machine" video showing each part in greater detail.
Arizona, Vermont, and New Hampshire are pretty darned "free". New Hampshire doesn't even have income or sales tax.
Of course, the latter two are pretty much out of the way from just about anything. *shrugs*
It seems like the more densely populated areas are, the more stupid laws are created. One of these days, I'm going to move to the Middle Of Nowhere, Arizona, just to get away from it all...
Three thousand dollar?!
I built a machine that approached the point-of-diminishing-returns (i.e. not the top-of-the-line CPU and graphics card, as they're way too expensive...but something just beneath them) with an ABIT motherboard, Athlon64 CPU, NVIDIA 6600GT graphics card, etc.
Total cost? $600.
Add about $200 for water-cooling.
Final price: $800 plus tax. It can run Half-Life 2 at 160 frames per second. Surely it's more than enough to do home video/photo work.
Several reasons:
.torrent file, and then have the customer act as the original seed for the file. If they charge for bandwidth for the service in the future, it might be significantly cheaper to just use HE as a high-availability tracker than as a seed point.
1) Your computer might not be on all the time.
2) Getting enough of the file "out there" with your computer being the initial seed is a bottleneck.
3) I'd rather spend a few hours uploading at max speed to HE's system, where they'd take over the tracking and seeding of the file on their ungodly-fast network. This would result in the file being more widely available and distributed a lot faster.
I also sent in a few request to them:
1) In the event that they finally start billing for bandwidth for BT, I suggsted that they only bill for "seed" bandwidth consumed, rather than tracker communications (which are generally low-overhead anyway).
2) I proposed that they allow customers to generate their own torrents, upload the
Many (nearly all) sources of weather information rely at least in part on the National Weather Service.
AWS, the parent company for WeatherBug, has a rather substantial network of weather stations around the country that augment the NWS information.
Charging for NWS information may increase the cost of providing third-party (Weather.com, Weather Underground, or even the evening news) weather reports.
1. UPS. 'nuff said.
2) Use a backup device -- say, a cellphone -- if you need high-availability. Also, look at the disaster-resistant ability of VoIP phones -- after September 11th, the phone networks in New York were utterly swamped with calls, including calls to emergency services, "routine" calls, and calls to/from concerned family members. Internet traffic, with the exception of the destroyed nodes in the WTC and surrounding buildings was largely unaffacted. VoIP phones would be able to work normally while traditional phones were unusable. VoIP usage would also not contribute to the load on the local POTS network in a disaster area. This is something I see rarely, if ever, brought up.
3) That same lack of regulation would also have a likely result of several, competing ISPs in one's area. If one's ISP throttles/blocks VoIP calls (which is unlikely, given the bandwidth usage of P2P services which are presently unblocked/throttled by nearly all providers), one could switch to a competing ISP.
While I was stationed with the Army in Fort Lewis, WA, I ordered a Vonage VoIP box. Configuration was simplicity itself, and the instructions provided were simple. I certainly didn't look at them, but a non-geek would find them quite easy. Reliability over the Comcast cable line in the barracks was (surprisingly, to me) exceptionally reliable.
I brought it back home when I was discharged, updated my address (which changed the 911 information on file), and hooked it up to my Speakeasy (and later Sonic.net) DSL connection. Flawless performance since then with the only downtime being from me muddling around with the sea of Cat5 behind my desk.
It certainly seems ready, at least to me, for Joe Average With Broadband. Obviously, improvements can (and will) be made, stability and reliability can be improved, etc. However, as long as the customer is informed that this is not a 100% uptime service like POTS (I'm surprised at the uptime of the POTS service, given the general ineptitude of SBC) and they're advised of any other limitations (i.e. quirks in 911 service, etc.), I see no problem for it to see widespread usage with a few publicly-disclosed caveats.
Perhaps I am. Maybe I should lay off the caffiene before posting. :-)
Assuming the toll free numbers are legit - why don't we just set our modems to autodial the voice number all night long - every connect will add to their phone bill - we could bankrupt somebody in a hurry!
:-)
A funny thing I've done is call up a spammer from a payphone tell them I was "very interested" in their product/service, and that they should call me ASAP. I leave the telephone number for another spammer. Then I call the "other" spammer, and do the same. Rinse, lather, repeat.
So I took some time to read up on RBL/MAPS and agree with most of you here.. I guess my annoyance is directed at the fact that this is something I can not opt out of. No, I can *not* change ISPs, this is where I work.
:-)
That's the purpose of the RBL - To annoy people and to annoy ISPs to change their policies. If you *really* needed to send your mother an email, why not get a Hotmail account? Hmm?
I used MsgTo.com. Two words: No Good.
:-)
:-))
:-)
Sure, you'd think that all the senders of mail wouldn't mind getting a little picture to click on, but it gets REALLY annoying really fast. Yes, I know a sender only needs to click on it once for your account, but for every other account they send it too, they need to do it again. Very annoying.
Also, such a little "auto-reply" message *really* wastes bandwidth. Sure, it's just a few kilobytes, but so's any other image on the web...and you complain about how long it takes to download those, don't you?
MsgTo.com also doesn't let you view the full headers of a spam from the web, so you can't report the spam you *DO* get.
One final thing: If you get an auto-reply from MsgTo, try changing the last number(s) of the URL it sends you. Lo and behold! You now have another user's email address, and it's verified! (Yes, I know, spammers probably won't send mail there, but think of the fun you could have by putting the "From" address as abuse@, and they get swamped with all the little 'Click Here to Authenticate' messages.
My favorite thing: SpamCop. Parses spam with about 90%+ accuracy to its source, sends reports to proper administrators, and even offers mail filtering. (The whole SpamCop community looks out for each other. See http://spamcop.net/ for more info.) Oh, and they've got a cool newsgroup to boot!
In the "good ol days" of the internet, having an open relay was the only way for mail to pass from one server to another. A server would bounce it from server to server until it finally got to its recipient.
:-)
Then people started abusing 'em.
That's when all of us admin-type folks decided to close their relays. Well, most of us anyways.
That's one way that the RBL works -- Mail servers query the RBL list to see if it's from a "bad" source. Some ISP's configure their routers to discard ALL packets both to and from that source. That pretty much renders the "bad" host cut off ("blackholed") from that host. It's quite fun to see, really. :-)