How to defeat 'hearts and minds' etc: "we went into a camp to inoculate it. The children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for polio, and this old man came running after us, and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went there, and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile -- a pile of little arms." -- Kurtz, Apocalypse Now.
We fight the war your Saudi allies have started in that shitplace Afpakstan.
We also participated in the war your Saud Tyrant friends started in Yougoland.
I sincerely hope Sharia law will rule you bastards in the coming decades, my dear American.
Sharia law should be applied to all Muslims EVERYWHERE and as seriously and harshly as possible. Except the part about apostasy; Muslims should be free to leave and go join other religions.
If THIS were to happen you can bet you'd see a serious drop in the number of Muslims around the world!
Yes, why would I use a VPN or Tor to buy something from a website? I'm so silly. Why, that's just like wearing a stocking over your head when you go to the grocery store. Idiots.
At least to get my CC history they have to go through my CC company or bank.
Your CC history is AUTOMATICALLY routed through GCHQ so if you use TOR or VPN to use your credit card you are just revealing to them that you are an idiot. Maybe that makes you less worth watching? Dunno. Its terribly naive though.
" There's a reason I resent people calling me sir: I am not such a scoundrel as to have ever recieved a british title."
Equivalent to the U.S. Marine drill Sargents mantra " Don't call me Sir, you fucking scumbag, I work for a goddamn living, now drop and give me 100 ! " In the U.S. officers are called "Sir",ordinary men are called by rank.
Whatever happened to the drill sargents instructions "The first and last thing that will come out of your mouth will be 'sir' do you understand me?" "Sir yes sir!"
They are still limited since it seems that they don't harvest everything for an indefinite period, and yet are drowning in data that they can't process and ciphers they can't crack in real time.
Leaky boats don't float, at least not very well.
The billing database is certainly extremely useful, but still limited if you don't know what was said. Talks over coffee or beer are beyond them.
The ACA was an over-reaching, overweening, scheduled train wreck.
Leaky boats colonised almost every habitable island in the Pacific! (the classic proa is almost leaky by design).
If you want to stay annonomous using a credit card, buy one of the fucking prepaid cards that carries the Visa/MasterCard Logo and uses their system. Pay cash and you don't have a problem. Furthermore, these cards do not have the charge reverse feature of a standard card, thus the merchant shouldn't give a fuck what's bought with it or where it's shipped as they've got their money (same as cash).
Are they useful? depends on the country. In the U.S. they're limited to $500 for the cards I've seen - Anti-Terrorism requirement. Keep in mind that the U.S. wants everyone to pay by plastic (why do you think the disability system and food stamps system now use a EBT card - plastic).
Only a terrorist would need to spend more than $500
A couple of only tangentially related things pop out of me from this;
In 'The Prisoner' series people go around wearing capes and carrying umbellas; there is ubiquitous surveillance and people like to feel that they can don some sense of privacy. The people in control don't care about these because really its useless and doesn't mask their identity but it makes them feel better.
In Moorcocks 'Hawkmoon' series EVERYONE in the UK wears masks ALL THE TIME.
Except I'm not trying to hide from the people I'm buying from. I live in a communist country where all traffic is logged, and I don't think it's any of the government's concern that I want a subscription to this or that perfectly legal website. The company I'm buying from can store as much of my information as they want.
You don't have to use TOR for that.
TOR is specifically an anonymising service. Its purpose is more to hide your origin from the site you are visiting more than your local ISP or government.
If I wanted to use a stolen credit card I'd use TOR, hoping the merchant sites were stupid enough to allow it. I wouldn't use a VPN service.
You can be an anonymous coward on/. and say whatever you want, it doesn't affect me so I don't care. If you want to be an anonymous coward and use a CC via TOR you can get lost at the merchants discretion.
Its none of their business why you are going to their shop through TOR and its none of your business why they decline you.
Thats the thing; if you are using an anonymising service like TOR to use a de-anonymising service like a credit card something doesn't add up and you should be flagged as suspicious! It only makes sense to wonder wtf is going on with this person.
It depends if you trust the shopkeeper. If you do, then there can be a benefit from haing your identity only known to yourself and him. If you don't trust him, then you must presume that as soon as he knows who you are he announces it to the world, and indeed, any secrecy you maintained on the way to the shop was futile.
Believe it or not, it is possible for two parties who trust each other to trade.
If you don't trust the shopkeeper, its not a good idea to use a credit card at all (they can save the details and use them to continue to make transactions on your account).
If the shopkeeper doesn't trust you, its a good idea for them not to accept your credit card (dealing with transactions from stolen credit cards isn't free for the shopkeeper).
If you don't trust the shopkeeper and want to use a credit card anonymously then the shopkeeper now has good reason not to trust you either. So its cash only, please. And don't ask for credit as refusal often offends.
I agree - no need to hide who you are when you go shopping. But you may want to hide your identity when you are writing something controversial as an AC.
Or anonymously use a stolen credit card in an online store.
Making a credit card purchase online via TOR is like going into a shop to buy something using a credit card WITH A STOCKING OVER YOUR FACE.
No it isn't, stop being overly dramatic. It's similar to giving your friend some cash and asking them to pop into the store for you.
Rubbish. If you buy with cash you don't have to give your name and address and, oh yes, credit card number.
If you buy with a credit card that assumes a level of non-anonymity.
If you want to buy with credit card *and* you don't want your identity associated with the credit cards identity and then I assume that something dodgy is going on.
Its like here on slashdot you are posting as anonymous coward; I don't care about that, I have no reason to trust you so you can be anonymous and I don't give a flying FUCK. But if you came to me as an anonymous coward and want to buy something with a credit card then I'm suspicious, I care because it makes a difference to me.
What? Do you think that merchants lose NOTHING if you pay with a stolen credit card?? This is a BIG problem. If I can prevent stolen credit cards being used to pay for my services I will; if I can stop them before they even make a transaction thats a big win.
If turning away customers who use TOR reduces the number of stolen credit cards used to pay for services then thats what will happen.
"But it also raises the question of whether targeting anonymity services to hunt out fraudsters could have chilling effects for harmless Tor users trying to protect their privacy online"
Umm.. the user is ordering something using their name, credit card, and address. They are not going to use Tor to protect their anonymity.
But you certainly have a crowd that likes the idea of tor and has their browser always configured to use it. I don't think that raising the risk level associated with a transaction based on the client using tor is unreasonable. If this were a brick and mortar store, they'd probably be a little bit wary of doing a credit card sale to someone wearing a disguise that covered their face.
Also realize that this would only be one of many sanity checks employed. Is the shipping address to the address listed on the cc for example. The credit card company also checks where the card was used, for things like buying gas at 1pm and then buying it again at 2pm 100 miles away. They also consider the type of merchandise as online purchase of electronics is rife with fraud, but very few people use a stolen card to buy socks.
Making a credit card purchase online via TOR is like going into a shop to buy something using a credit card WITH A STOCKING OVER YOUR FACE.
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oh yeah of course it was bound to strip out the nice PHP code. Heres a URL
That will work until the US Congress passes a law similar to FATCA which compels foreign businesses to turn over financial records involving US persons. So far, few if any foreign countries have attempted to defend their sovereignty to protect Americans. I doubt much will change when it comes to data.
It matters very little anyway. Because the 'big money' is in corporate accounts and corporate data. You and I, as individuals, can't wave a magic legal wand and move ourselves offshore. Corporations can. And that's who the people running offshore banks or data services cater to.
What FATCA is achieving is that many non-US financial institutions are turning away customers who are US citizens; they won't have their money, don't want their custom. And many of these US citizens are giving up their US citizenship because of this. There are millions of US citizens around the world who are experiencing this financial blacklisting because of FATCA, especially in the EU.
1. The constitution, the foundation and framework of law on which the nation (and all conceptually contained within it) was built upon forbids it. 2. Communism or the many shades of it shouldn't be a real big seller in the U.S. unless we'd like to see Jewish barbeques or some other race on the grill depending upon the bar code series tat on your wrist. 3. See #1.
Who would eat Jews? They probably don't even taste like pork!
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The thing is that it kind of goes against the hippocratic oath that doctors are supposed to swear... Unless I guess you could call it 'triage'.
How to defeat 'hearts and minds' etc:
"we went into a camp to inoculate it. The children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for polio, and this old man came running after us, and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went there, and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile -- a pile of little arms."
-- Kurtz, Apocalypse Now.
We fight the war your Saudi allies have started in that shitplace Afpakstan.
We also participated in the war your Saud Tyrant friends started in Yougoland.
I sincerely hope Sharia law will rule you bastards in the coming decades, my dear American.
Sharia law should be applied to all Muslims EVERYWHERE and as seriously and harshly as possible. Except the part about apostasy; Muslims should be free to leave and go join other religions.
If THIS were to happen you can bet you'd see a serious drop in the number of Muslims around the world!
Surely corporations should at least get the vote...
Yes, why would I use a VPN or Tor to buy something from a website? I'm so silly. Why, that's just like wearing a stocking over your head when you go to the grocery store. Idiots.
At least to get my CC history they have to go through my CC company or bank.
Your CC history is AUTOMATICALLY routed through GCHQ so if you use TOR or VPN to use your credit card you are just revealing to them that you are an idiot. Maybe that makes you less worth watching? Dunno. Its terribly naive though.
" There's a reason I resent people calling me sir: I am not such a scoundrel as to have ever recieved a british title."
Equivalent to the U.S. Marine drill Sargents mantra " Don't call me Sir, you fucking scumbag, I work for a goddamn living, now drop and give me 100 ! "
In the U.S. officers are called "Sir",ordinary men are called by rank.
Whatever happened to the drill sargents instructions "The first and last thing that will come out of your mouth will be 'sir' do you understand me?" "Sir yes sir!"
... why can't they prevent that soldier boy Lee Rigby from being chopped to death in the Woolwich area of London, by two Moslems from Africa ?
They were black, and they had been to Africa recently, but they were actually from British Christian families.
Muslims take apostasy very very VERY fucking seriously, maybe christians should too?
They are still limited since it seems that they don't harvest everything for an indefinite period, and yet are drowning in data that they can't process and ciphers they can't crack in real time.
Leaky boats don't float, at least not very well.
The billing database is certainly extremely useful, but still limited if you don't know what was said. Talks over coffee or beer are beyond them.
The ACA was an over-reaching, overweening, scheduled train wreck.
Leaky boats colonised almost every habitable island in the Pacific! (the classic proa is almost leaky by design).
No, they meant /. That's all I ever read and considering the drek that ends up here, it means I might as well live in a cave.
I assumed /. was supposed to be /./ and was at the end, you know /b/ etc ends with a full stop, or, /./
So slashdot is secretly part of 4chan.
If you want to stay annonomous using a credit card, buy one of the fucking prepaid cards that carries the Visa/MasterCard Logo and uses their system. Pay cash and you don't have a problem. Furthermore, these cards do not have the charge reverse feature of a standard card, thus the merchant shouldn't give a fuck what's bought with it or where it's shipped as they've got their money (same as cash).
Are they useful? depends on the country. In the U.S. they're limited to $500 for the cards I've seen - Anti-Terrorism requirement. Keep in mind that the U.S. wants everyone to pay by plastic (why do you think the disability system and food stamps system now use a EBT card - plastic).
Only a terrorist would need to spend more than $500
A couple of only tangentially related things pop out of me from this;
In 'The Prisoner' series people go around wearing capes and carrying umbellas; there is ubiquitous surveillance and people like to feel that they can don some sense of privacy. The people in control don't care about these because really its useless and doesn't mask their identity but it makes them feel better.
In Moorcocks 'Hawkmoon' series EVERYONE in the UK wears masks ALL THE TIME.
Making a credit card purchase online via TOR is like going into a shop to buy something using a credit card WITH A STOCKING OVER YOUR FACE.
You mean like wearing a hijab, chador, or burqa?
yeah in those cases I'd want to see some photo ID as well thanks
Do you understand this little hook of code? Its amazingly easy to hide in amongst other PHP code and can be nicely obfuscated.
PHP is bad for allowing such a hook to be possible.
Except I'm not trying to hide from the people I'm buying from. I live in a communist country where all traffic is logged, and I don't think it's any of the government's concern that I want a subscription to this or that perfectly legal website. The company I'm buying from can store as much of my information as they want.
You don't have to use TOR for that.
TOR is specifically an anonymising service. Its purpose is more to hide your origin from the site you are visiting more than your local ISP or government.
If I wanted to use a stolen credit card I'd use TOR, hoping the merchant sites were stupid enough to allow it. I wouldn't use a VPN service.
You can be an anonymous coward on /. and say whatever you want, it doesn't affect me so I don't care. If you want to be an anonymous coward and use a CC via TOR you can get lost at the merchants discretion.
Its none of their business why you are going to their shop through TOR and its none of your business why they decline you.
Thats the thing; if you are using an anonymising service like TOR to use a de-anonymising service like a credit card something doesn't add up and you should be flagged as suspicious! It only makes sense to wonder wtf is going on with this person.
It depends if you trust the shopkeeper. If you do, then there can be a benefit from haing your identity only known to yourself and him. If you don't trust him, then you must presume that as soon as he knows who you are he announces it to the world, and indeed, any secrecy you maintained on the way to the shop was futile.
Believe it or not, it is possible for two parties who trust each other to trade.
If you don't trust the shopkeeper, its not a good idea to use a credit card at all (they can save the details and use them to continue to make transactions on your account).
If the shopkeeper doesn't trust you, its a good idea for them not to accept your credit card (dealing with transactions from stolen credit cards isn't free for the shopkeeper).
If you don't trust the shopkeeper and want to use a credit card anonymously then the shopkeeper now has good reason not to trust you either. So its cash only, please. And don't ask for credit as refusal often offends.
I agree - no need to hide who you are when you go shopping. But you may want to hide your identity when you are writing something controversial as an AC.
Or anonymously use a stolen credit card in an online store.
Making a credit card purchase online via TOR is like going into a shop to buy something using a credit card WITH A STOCKING OVER YOUR FACE.
No it isn't, stop being overly dramatic. It's similar to giving your friend some cash and asking them to pop into the store for you.
Rubbish. If you buy with cash you don't have to give your name and address and, oh yes, credit card number.
If you buy with a credit card that assumes a level of non-anonymity.
If you want to buy with credit card *and* you don't want your identity associated with the credit cards identity and then I assume that something dodgy is going on.
Its like here on slashdot you are posting as anonymous coward; I don't care about that, I have no reason to trust you so you can be anonymous and I don't give a flying FUCK. But if you came to me as an anonymous coward and want to buy something with a credit card then I'm suspicious, I care because it makes a difference to me.
What? Do you think that merchants lose NOTHING if you pay with a stolen credit card?? This is a BIG problem. If I can prevent stolen credit cards being used to pay for my services I will; if I can stop them before they even make a transaction thats a big win.
If turning away customers who use TOR reduces the number of stolen credit cards used to pay for services then thats what will happen.
"But it also raises the question of whether targeting anonymity services to hunt out fraudsters could have chilling effects for harmless Tor users trying to protect their privacy online"
Umm.. the user is ordering something using their name, credit card, and address. They are not going to use Tor to protect their anonymity.
But you certainly have a crowd that likes the idea of tor and has their browser always configured to use it. I don't think that raising the risk level associated with a transaction based on the client using tor is unreasonable. If this were a brick and mortar store, they'd probably be a little bit wary of doing a credit card sale to someone wearing a disguise that covered their face.
Also realize that this would only be one of many sanity checks employed. Is the shipping address to the address listed on the cc for example. The credit card company also checks where the card was used, for things like buying gas at 1pm and then buying it again at 2pm 100 miles away. They also consider the type of merchandise as online purchase of electronics is rife with fraud, but very few people use a stolen card to buy socks.
Making a credit card purchase online via TOR is like going into a shop to buy something using a credit card WITH A STOCKING OVER YOUR FACE.
oh yeah of course it was bound to strip out the nice PHP code. Heres a URL
http://www.madirish.net/454
Thats nothing
*THAT* is a worm. Insert that into some PHP code and you have a back door.
Sometimes I wonder if the NSA are responsible for PHP.
Tea Party-ers describe themselves as "libertarian".
That Sarah Palin sure makes one sexy librarian though
That will work until the US Congress passes a law similar to FATCA which compels foreign businesses to turn over financial records involving US persons. So far, few if any foreign countries have attempted to defend their sovereignty to protect Americans. I doubt much will change when it comes to data.
It matters very little anyway. Because the 'big money' is in corporate accounts and corporate data. You and I, as individuals, can't wave a magic legal wand and move ourselves offshore. Corporations can. And that's who the people running offshore banks or data services cater to.
What FATCA is achieving is that many non-US financial institutions are turning away customers who are US citizens; they won't have their money, don't want their custom. And many of these US citizens are giving up their US citizenship because of this. There are millions of US citizens around the world who are experiencing this financial blacklisting because of FATCA, especially in the EU.
Ideas to sell this? Here's a few...
1. The constitution, the foundation and framework of law on which the nation (and all conceptually contained within it) was built upon forbids it.
2. Communism or the many shades of it shouldn't be a real big seller in the U.S. unless we'd like to see Jewish barbeques or some other race on the grill depending upon the bar code series tat on your wrist.
3. See #1.
Who would eat Jews? They probably don't even taste like pork!