Just suppose that this is how the code got there...
1) when Ray Noorda left Novell, who owned unixware, he took a copy of the unixware code with him. 2) He started the canopy group to make money thwarting Microsoft. 3) The Canopy group and Noorda start/fund Caldera. 4) Through The Canpoy Group, the unixware code (which was later sold to SCO) made its way to Caldera. 5) The Caldera people, wanting to improve and make money selling their one product, Linux, improve it a bit by adding a bit o' Unixware code.... and the rest is history. Caldera decide to buy unixware (and openserver?) from SCO... change their own name to The SCO Group, get desperate/greedy, forget their own origins, et voila!
Visit this link... intorduces you to some of the characters.
This is my imagination... but it sounds plausible!:)
I am not well versed in the specifics of TCPA and its Palladium implemetation, but I've seen some questions raised in this discussion and I want to focus things if I can, summarize the concerns I see that concern me.
BIOS Specific: 1. Will I be able to boot any OS on an TCPA-enable board if that OS is not cryptographically signed? If yes, I will have to disable TCPA support?
2. Will I be able to sign things that I trust? Personally, I think this may be absolutely necessary is signed code is necessary to do useful work.
3. Will I be able to disable TCPA support on the board?
Larger concerns, and where I'm coming from:
Most people agree that computers are pretty useless without being able to participate on a network. My concern is that I and applications that I write must be able to participate in the network community. I must be able to build, say, a custom OpenBSD kernel, write and run my own code, use a custom-compiled web-browser, and have my system interact with others (intelligent agents doing work in the background, do my banking in my web browser, mount a share from my wife's Windows PC,...)
I have seen these types of concerns raised here and many people are under the impression that the TCPA spec does not protect against these kind of restrictions. The related questions:
Are AMI and other BIOS implementers such as Phoenix, Award (do they still exist?) going to ensure that your technology will not be used to limit my ability to participate in the community?
Is AMI (or an alliance of the BIOS and mainboard manufacturer) interested in and able to take action and demand the spec be worded so that freedoms be protected forever? (we are a self-regulating industry, right?)
That's a pretty subjective comment. I work with a lot of people from many different Canadian computer science programs and have wondered what is supposed to be so special about a CS degree from UW! Their grads are not generally better trained or educated than grads from many schools. I've been much more impressed by students from UofT and Acadia myself. I'm from UNB, which I think turns out grads as good as those upity Ontario schools:)
Corel announced that they would be offering PhotoPaint for free when their stock was still high, when they were the darling of Wall Street and Bay Street. It just took them a while to get it out.
Yeah, I agree that the ports tree is very nice! Very slick! I really prefer it to rpm packages in linux, and to manually figuring out dependencies with source tarballs. I give many thanks to those people who put the ports together. Excellent, excellent job.
For anyone who is not familiar with/usr/ports in BSD, it is really simple. go into the directory of the app/program you want ot install, type 'make', and the script determines what the dependencies are, auto-downloads, compiles and installs them, then downloads and compiles the app/program. Then you just do a 'make install' and it is done. No mess, no fuss, just a bit of time online and compiling. Beautiful.
I thought that it was the decription of the DVD lock (or whatever) that people are being charged for. As far as I can tell, this driver just allows the card to do MPEG decoding and output to the TV. Playing DVDs still requires a spereate player (that likely is considered illegal).
If I recall correctly, this wasn't done to be nice, but becuase Stampede Technologies was getting upset about Stampede Linux's name and web site "diluting" their trademarks and such. Stampede Technology let off after Stampede Linux started linking them at the top of the page. I agree though; it would be nice if people would link like that to avoid confusion and keep things simple. I remember that at one time ATI.COM was owned by someone other than those Canadian graphics guys. The site that was hosted on that domain was nice enough to link to www.atitech.ca, a wonderful, shining example of the niceness (I assume) you were speaking of.
Ay ay Flynn... 'tis been a while. I'm still thinking about comming out to visit you in March. Could I sleep on your cot in the basement (and bask in the warmth of your PCs...)? Cya
You can try to get the bookstore to order it. Just give them the ISBN number. I just did a quick scan of the OpenBSD web site and couldn't find it. They used have it posted for previous versions. Maybe mail Theo (mailto:deraadt@openbsd.org) to get it.
This will be my first time having to order the disks. When 2.5 came out I just got them from Theo (benefits of living in the same town as him). Hopefully I won't have to wait too long, but the BSD box is up and running nicely so I don't really have to upgrade it. I just like to play.:)
Not sure about the sound cards... All I've ever used is SB16.
OpenBSD does have linux emulation (along with SCO, SunOS...) but I've never used it. I understand that you can get MEsaGL and Glide going so you can play Q2 & Q3. Not sure about UT.
You can deffinitely get Nescape going. It's actually very easy. If you go to Netscape's ftp site, download the BSDi version. The easiest way to get with 128bit encryption is through the OpenBSD ports collection. Download ports.tar.gz from ftp.openbsd.org and untar/zip it in your/usr directory. Go into the/usr/ports/www/netscape (something like that) and type "make" then "make install". It will automatically ftp, install it and apply the 128bit SSL patch. Very cool. Check out all of the other things in the ports collection too.
Oh oh oh... A new toy. Just in time for Christmas. I look forward to getting this and seeing what improvements there are. OpenSSH is the big on that I'm looking for. Just a note: the ports tree for OpenBSD has grown a lot. If you have tried OpenBSD as a desktop before but never any of the ports... do so. There are soe pretty cool packages available, and the download/install process is really slick. Good going to the OpenBSD project team. Missin' Calgary. Have a beer at the Ship for me Theo. Dave M
Even if a proprietary product is created from BSD-licensed code, the original code remains open and available. The original source of the code is still there.
Also, the code remains copyrighted. Nothing can change that.
Developers who publish under the BSD license and have their code adopted by corporations often do get something back. Sometimes they don't. I've met some people who, when the company doesn't give back, just stop helping out. They are happy that their code is being used, but if it is a one-sided relationship they just stop providing any help or support.
It would be kind of nice to know that Apple thought your code was worth using is OS X.
Slashdot Mirror
Hows this for a hypothetical:
... and the rest is history. Caldera decide to buy unixware (and openserver?) from SCO... change their own name to The SCO Group, get desperate/greedy, forget their own origins, et voila!
:)
Just suppose that this is how the code got there...
1) when Ray Noorda left Novell, who owned unixware, he took a copy of the unixware code with him.
2) He started the canopy group to make money thwarting Microsoft.
3) The Canopy group and Noorda start/fund Caldera.
4) Through The Canpoy Group, the unixware code (which was later sold to SCO) made its way to Caldera.
5) The Caldera people, wanting to improve and make money selling their one product, Linux, improve it a bit by adding a bit o' Unixware code.
Visit this link... intorduces you to some of the characters.
This is my imagination... but it sounds plausible!
- DRM
Hi Brian,
...)
Thanks for volunteering to answer some questions.
I am not well versed in the specifics of TCPA and its Palladium implemetation, but I've seen some questions raised in this discussion and I want to focus things if I can, summarize the concerns I see that concern me.
BIOS Specific:
1. Will I be able to boot any OS on an TCPA-enable board if that OS is not cryptographically signed? If yes, I will have to disable TCPA support?
2. Will I be able to sign things that I trust? Personally, I think this may be absolutely necessary is signed code is necessary to do useful work.
3. Will I be able to disable TCPA support on the board?
Larger concerns, and where I'm coming from:
Most people agree that computers are pretty useless without being able to participate on a network. My concern is that I and applications that I write must be able to participate in the network community. I must be able to build, say, a custom OpenBSD kernel, write and run my own code, use a custom-compiled web-browser, and have my system interact with others (intelligent agents doing work in the background, do my banking in my web browser, mount a share from my wife's Windows PC,
I have seen these types of concerns raised here and many people are under the impression that the TCPA spec does not protect against these kind of restrictions. The related questions:
Are AMI and other BIOS implementers such as Phoenix, Award (do they still exist?) going to ensure that your technology will not be used to limit my ability to participate in the community?
Is AMI (or an alliance of the BIOS and mainboard manufacturer) interested in and able to take action and demand the spec be worded so that freedoms be protected forever? (we are a self-regulating industry, right?)
Thanks for your time. Best regards,
David M
That's a pretty subjective comment. I work with a lot of people from many different Canadian computer science programs and have wondered what is supposed to be so special about a CS degree from UW! Their grads are not generally better trained or educated than grads from many schools. I've been much more impressed by students from UofT and Acadia myself. I'm from UNB, which I think turns out grads as good as those upity Ontario schools :)
Corel announced that they would be offering PhotoPaint for free when their stock was still high, when they were the darling of Wall Street and Bay Street. It just took them a while to get it out.
Yeah, I agree that the ports tree is very nice! Very slick! I really prefer it to rpm packages in linux, and to manually figuring out dependencies with source tarballs. I give many thanks to those people who put the ports together. Excellent, excellent job.
/usr/ports in BSD, it is really simple. go into the directory of the app/program you want ot install, type 'make', and the script determines what the dependencies are, auto-downloads, compiles and installs them, then downloads and compiles the app/program. Then you just do a 'make install' and it is done. No mess, no fuss, just a bit of time online and compiling. Beautiful.
For anyone who is not familiar with
I thought that it was the decription of the DVD lock (or whatever) that people are being charged for. As far as I can tell, this driver just allows the card to do MPEG decoding and output to the TV. Playing DVDs still requires a spereate player (that likely is considered illegal).
Two cents.
Harbinger
If I recall correctly, this wasn't done to be nice, but becuase Stampede Technologies was getting upset about Stampede Linux's name and web site "diluting" their trademarks and such. Stampede Technology let off after Stampede Linux started linking them at the top of the page. I agree though; it would be nice if people would link like that to avoid confusion and keep things simple. I remember that at one time ATI.COM was owned by someone other than those Canadian graphics guys. The site that was hosted on that domain was nice enough to link to www.atitech.ca, a wonderful, shining example of the niceness (I assume) you were speaking of.
Ay ay Flynn... 'tis been a while. I'm still thinking about comming out to visit you in March. Could I sleep on your cot in the basement (and bask in the warmth of your PCs...)? Cya
You can try to get the bookstore to order it. Just give them the ISBN number. I just did a quick scan of the OpenBSD web site and couldn't find it. They used have it posted for previous versions. Maybe mail Theo (mailto:deraadt@openbsd.org) to get it.
Just an idea. Best of luck.
This will be my first time having to order the disks. When 2.5 came out I just got them from Theo (benefits of living in the same town as him). Hopefully I won't have to wait too long, but the BSD box is up and running nicely so I don't really have to upgrade it. I just like to play. :)
Not sure about the sound cards ... All I've ever used is SB16.
/usr directory. Go into the /usr/ports/www/netscape (something like that) and type "make" then "make install". It will automatically ftp, install it and apply the 128bit SSL patch. Very cool. Check out all of the other things in the ports collection too.
OpenBSD does have linux emulation (along with SCO, SunOS...) but I've never used it. I understand that you can get MEsaGL and Glide going so you can play Q2 & Q3. Not sure about UT.
You can deffinitely get Nescape going. It's actually very easy. If you go to Netscape's ftp site, download the BSDi version. The easiest way to get with 128bit encryption is through the OpenBSD ports collection. Download ports.tar.gz from ftp.openbsd.org and untar/zip it in your
Hope this helps.
Dave M
Oh oh oh... A new toy. Just in time for Christmas. I look forward to getting this and seeing what improvements there are. OpenSSH is the big on that I'm looking for. Just a note: the ports tree for OpenBSD has grown a lot. If you have tried OpenBSD as a desktop before but never any of the ports ... do so. There are soe pretty cool packages available, and the download/install process is really slick. Good going to the OpenBSD project team. Missin' Calgary. Have a beer at the Ship for me Theo. Dave M
OpenBSD --> OpenSSH Coming soon too!
Just a note:
Even if a proprietary product is created from BSD-licensed code, the original code remains open and available. The original source of the code is still there.
Also, the code remains copyrighted. Nothing can change that.
Developers who publish under the BSD license and have their code adopted by corporations often do get something back. Sometimes they don't. I've met some people who, when the company doesn't give back, just stop helping out. They are happy that their code is being used, but if it is a one-sided relationship they just stop providing any help or support.
It would be kind of nice to know that Apple thought your code was worth using is OS X.
just my thoughts. KiN.Harbinger
Are you involved in the NetBSD project? Just wondering.
Great to see a local company doing some really cool stuff. I was once a canuck.com customer. Neat!
Just a note:
There are other companies in Canada offering ADSL service. In Calgary you can get ADSL through CADVision (www.cadvision.com) and others.
That is cool. Yeah!
It's refreshing to see someone with a sense of humour.
Can anyone confirm or deny that IKEA Canada uses Linux as the server for their store inventory/POS system? I've heard that they do.