If you start saving now, by the time 7 reaches EOL you should be fine for that beautiful shiny mac. Problem solved.
Agreed, and Mac fans do have a tendency to hunger for the bright shiny new mac with the smell of plastic still fresh in the air and the trendy packing material untouched.
But if you're trying to get work done, as opposed to having a cool new thing that your friends will oooh and aaaah over, used Macs can be a bargain, precisely because Mac owners are willing to mortgage their kids for the next model, leaving recent but "obsolete" models behind in significant numbers. Although I'm currently on Windows, I've owned three Macs, and the most expensive of them was less than $200.
Good point. 2020 is a long time away. If Adobe ever ports their suite to Linux anywhere in that time frame, I'd be more than happy to tell all the major OS players to go screw. I'm tired of battling the OS, and I'm tired of paying for mandatory new versions every few years. I want to get work done.
Sure. Buy a mac. And I'm saying that as someone who thinks macs are overpriced trendy hipster-ware.
Are there any $400 Mac laptops? Because, that was the specific example you replied to.
If there aren't, then the choices of someone with $400 to spend on a machine are much more limited.
There certainly are. Part of the trendy mindset in the Apple-verse is that there will be a significant portion of the population who must have the latest incremental improvement, which tends to create a thriving used market amongst people who are less concerned about having the "latest and greatest" and more concerned about getting work done. Test by: Search ebay for "mac laptop", observe over 10,000 listings, starting at less than $100. Or search for "mac laptop" on Amazon and observe fairly recent laptops available for less than $200.
Again, I'm not a Mac fan, but I'm even less a Win8 fan. If Microsoft continues to play the same GUI bait and switch game in Win9, I'm a-gonna dump 'em.
> "The restoration of a visible Start button on the taskbar was one of the key features of the Windows 8.1 update, released back in October of 2013."
Apparently this needs to be pointed out yet again: A button that takes you to the start screen is not a start button. What users requested was the start menu back. What was delivered was at best a condescending "we know what you really want better than you", and more like a calculated insult.
Publicists usually say that any kind of buzz is good for business.
And they know people are going to buy it. When J. Random User with $400 walks into a store and wants to buy a laptop, does (s)he have any other choice?
Sure. Buy a mac. And I'm saying that as someone who thinks macs are overpriced trendy hipster-ware. Besides all the shiny marketing, they are admittedly designed with usability in mind, which Microsoft seems to have forgotten how to do.
I'm still using Windows 7, but if M$ hasn't gotten their act together by the time it reaches EOL, I'm actively considering jumping ship. Apple runs the apps I need. (If Linux did, I'd use that instead, but they don't yet.)
Microsoft has lied about this in the past, why should anyone believe them now?
That's actually a good point. The start menu is easy to add -- third party developers have proven this. It's possible their strategy is to keep people using Windows 8 sans start menu, in the vain hope that M$ will fix it some day, and eventually just say to hell with it and use Win8 as it is now. And maybe that strategy will work.
No flames here. For any new OS Microsoft craps out, there will be people forced for various reasons to try to live with it. That you managed to do so is more a credit to you than to Microsoft.
That said, the solution for me was a system restore to Windows 7, and Windows 8 goes back on the shelf until... 2015 I guess. But I can see where there are some cases where that isn't possible.
(And yes, I know there's third party solutions to many of Windows 8's issues... but like you, I have to get work done.)
I'm actually not ok with police chasing someone into an accident. The police, at least in the city where drones would be more likely to be used, have something more valuable: Multiple cars in different locations, and a dispatcher coordinating the location of the perp and engaging units in the perp's path. At least some (probably all) police departments have rules of engagement regarding chases which tend to get reviewed and strengthened after a bad crash. Consider the movie scenario of a lone unit pursuing a perp at high speed through the city -- it makes for exciting cinema, but what does it accomplish? It only ends when one or the other (or both) crashes their car. There are better ways, even without drones.
Hm. Anyone think of bringing back the Gyrojet concept? One of the features was very low pressure in the chamber and barrel, which it seems would favor 3d printed firearms. The disadvantage was that the slug took 30 feet or so to build up to a reasonable velocity. But with advances in propellants since the 1960's, I wonder what could be achieved now?
Heck, you might even be able to 3d print the ammunition.
> You have to expect that in a country where manual labor is cheap.
I'd say, you have to expect that if cheap manual labor exists in any part of the world. The areas where manual labor is cheap will naturally attract these kinds of jobs. Why bother building a machine to do it when people in abject poverty exist who will do it for a crust of bread?
It's like pr0n. A word with an obvious meaning spelled to get past censors. Doesn't appear to be an issue here, but I got in the habit of spelling it that way awhile back.
At first I thought, good plan, because Apple doesn't seem to be able to make decent sound devices on their own. The trendy white earbuds may be, you know, trendy, but they sound like carp. But then I read that the Beats headphones (which I had never heard of) are carp also.
Has anyone done a hearing test on the Apple board of directors recently? Just askin'.
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If you start saving now, by the time 7 reaches EOL you should be fine for that beautiful shiny mac.
Problem solved.
Agreed, and Mac fans do have a tendency to hunger for the bright shiny new mac with the smell of plastic still fresh in the air and the trendy packing material untouched.
But if you're trying to get work done, as opposed to having a cool new thing that your friends will oooh and aaaah over, used Macs can be a bargain, precisely because Mac owners are willing to mortgage their kids for the next model, leaving recent but "obsolete" models behind in significant numbers. Although I'm currently on Windows, I've owned three Macs, and the most expensive of them was less than $200.
Good point. 2020 is a long time away. If Adobe ever ports their suite to Linux anywhere in that time frame, I'd be more than happy to tell all the major OS players to go screw. I'm tired of battling the OS, and I'm tired of paying for mandatory new versions every few years. I want to get work done.
"I can code faster than ever!" Tom said swiftly.
Too soon?
Obviously you should pick Windows.
*snerk* Sorry, I just couldn't say that with a straight face.
Make them patchable over the internet by default.
Oh, wait...
Are there any $400 Mac laptops? Because, that was the specific example you replied to.
If there aren't, then the choices of someone with $400 to spend on a machine are much more limited.
There certainly are. Part of the trendy mindset in the Apple-verse is that there will be a significant portion of the population who must have the latest incremental improvement, which tends to create a thriving used market amongst people who are less concerned about having the "latest and greatest" and more concerned about getting work done. Test by: Search ebay for "mac laptop", observe over 10,000 listings, starting at less than $100. Or search for "mac laptop" on Amazon and observe fairly recent laptops available for less than $200.
Again, I'm not a Mac fan, but I'm even less a Win8 fan. If Microsoft continues to play the same GUI bait and switch game in Win9, I'm a-gonna dump 'em.
Really? You don't know anyone at all who just stayed with Windows 7?
> "The restoration of a visible Start button on the taskbar was one of the key features of the Windows 8.1 update, released back in October of 2013."
Apparently this needs to be pointed out yet again: A button that takes you to the start screen is not a start button. What users requested was the start menu back. What was delivered was at best a condescending "we know what you really want better than you", and more like a calculated insult.
Maybe they realized that they were already making too much UI changes in Windows 8 and wanted to cool things down to not confuse people anymore.
That's possible, but I'd argue that they stopped at the wrong place.
Publicists usually say that any kind of buzz is good for business.
And they know people are going to buy it. When J. Random User with $400 walks into a store and wants to buy a laptop, does (s)he have any other choice?
Sure. Buy a mac. And I'm saying that as someone who thinks macs are overpriced trendy hipster-ware. Besides all the shiny marketing, they are admittedly designed with usability in mind, which Microsoft seems to have forgotten how to do.
I'm still using Windows 7, but if M$ hasn't gotten their act together by the time it reaches EOL, I'm actively considering jumping ship. Apple runs the apps I need. (If Linux did, I'd use that instead, but they don't yet.)
Microsoft has lied about this in the past, why should anyone believe them now?
That's actually a good point. The start menu is easy to add -- third party developers have proven this. It's possible their strategy is to keep people using Windows 8 sans start menu, in the vain hope that M$ will fix it some day, and eventually just say to hell with it and use Win8 as it is now. And maybe that strategy will work.
No flames here. For any new OS Microsoft craps out, there will be people forced for various reasons to try to live with it. That you managed to do so is more a credit to you than to Microsoft.
That said, the solution for me was a system restore to Windows 7, and Windows 8 goes back on the shelf until... 2015 I guess. But I can see where there are some cases where that isn't possible.
(And yes, I know there's third party solutions to many of Windows 8's issues... but like you, I have to get work done.)
"Microsoft will not have a new desktop-appropriate operating system until 2015." Fixed that for you.
I'm not sure why they're doing this -- third party developers have proven it's easy to do.
I'm actually not ok with police chasing someone into an accident. The police, at least in the city where drones would be more likely to be used, have something more valuable: Multiple cars in different locations, and a dispatcher coordinating the location of the perp and engaging units in the perp's path. At least some (probably all) police departments have rules of engagement regarding chases which tend to get reviewed and strengthened after a bad crash. Consider the movie scenario of a lone unit pursuing a perp at high speed through the city -- it makes for exciting cinema, but what does it accomplish? It only ends when one or the other (or both) crashes their car. There are better ways, even without drones.
Or was he simply lying?
It figures it'd be the LAPD. What other police force on the west coast would hunger for this kind of invasiveness?
Hm. Anyone think of bringing back the Gyrojet concept? One of the features was very low pressure in the chamber and barrel, which it seems would favor 3d printed firearms. The disadvantage was that the slug took 30 feet or so to build up to a reasonable velocity. But with advances in propellants since the 1960's, I wonder what could be achieved now?
Heck, you might even be able to 3d print the ammunition.
I'm suddenly thinking that my job isn't so bad... I would go insane after the first three minutes.
Some of them probably do too. Eventually.
> You have to expect that in a country where manual labor is cheap.
I'd say, you have to expect that if cheap manual labor exists in any part of the world. The areas where manual labor is cheap will naturally attract these kinds of jobs. Why bother building a machine to do it when people in abject poverty exist who will do it for a crust of bread?
They probably are doing 57K a day, but for political reasons only advertise 40K a day.
> "Former Microsoft CEO..."
Oh, please say it again!
> "Former Microsoft CEO..."
One more time!
> "Former Microsoft CEO..."
Man, I can't get enough of that.
I ran MyCleanPC and my computer turned chartreuse did a backflip off the table and spewed starlings all around the room. Just saying'.
It's like pr0n. A word with an obvious meaning spelled to get past censors. Doesn't appear to be an issue here, but I got in the habit of spelling it that way awhile back.
At first I thought, good plan, because Apple doesn't seem to be able to make decent sound devices on their own. The trendy white earbuds may be, you know, trendy, but they sound like carp. But then I read that the Beats headphones (which I had never heard of) are carp also.
Has anyone done a hearing test on the Apple board of directors recently? Just askin'.