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Apple Confirms Purchase of Beats For $3 Billion

SimonTheSoundMan writes: "Apple has confirmed it will buy Beats Electronics and Beats Music for $3 billion. Apple will make the purchase using $2.6 billion in cash and $400 million in stock. An important part of the acquisition for Apple is absorbing the Beats subscription streaming service, even though it only has about 110k users. The Beats brand will remain intact, and will continue to sell headphones. "

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  1. I wonder if the deal includes Iovine's soul by DaveTaylor8308 · · Score: 1

    or maybe just a lifetime of conscription.

    1. Re:I wonder if the deal includes Iovine's soul by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      I wonder if the deal includes Iovine's soul

      You can't include something that is a fiction...

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  2. I dislike Beats... by AcquaCow · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...but I appreciate what their marketing team has done for the rest of the headphone industry...

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    1. Re:I dislike Beats... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      What do you mean?

      Note: I have Senns HD 380 Pro and the old Sony MDR 7506's

    2. Re:I dislike Beats... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think he means they make any other headphones look like high quality bargains by comparison.

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    3. Re:I dislike Beats... by symes · · Score: 1

      In particular, they have made over ear headphones popular. Which is great as those in ear things make my ears hurt. I wouldn't buy Beats but do have some nice earphones and don't mind wearing them in public.

    4. Re:I dislike Beats... by glwtta · · Score: 1

      You mean driven the price of "legitimately worth $350" headphones to $500?

      Have you seen the Denon line post-AHD2000? I attribute that abomination entirely to the "Us too! Let's be Beats!!!" syndrome.

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    5. Re:I dislike Beats... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Seriously they aren't that bad.....but then they aren't worth what they cost either. Kind of like most products that are overpriced like all these chinese made shoes with Nike and other high cost brands on them that cost about 30 times what the actual cost of producing them is. Everything is that way. Overpriced cars, motorcycles, clothes, etc. Brand names sell. Who knows this better than Apple? They claim a premium on hardware that is certainly overpriced compared to most peecees even if they do have the bonus of not being saddled with Windows.

    6. Re:I dislike Beats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm all about that Sennheiser. I hear Grado is great too.

    7. Re:I dislike Beats... by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Grados sound nice in quiet rooms, particularly if paired with a half decent headphone amplifier. Connected to an ipad, outside, with the wind and the traffic? Not so much.

      If sealed headphones that sound as good can be had, I'm all ears.

    8. Re:I dislike Beats... by Cramer · · Score: 1

      Unless they were milled from a block of gold, no headphones are worth $350, much less $500.

    9. Re:I dislike Beats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Over ears were ALWAYS readily available. Even low cost ones that have great sound quality. For years, you could get a pair of Sony MDRZX100's of equivalent for under $20 at Wal-Mart/Target. They sound better than any ear bud style and a lot of over ear models that cost 2-5x more. They are very durable too. I keep a pair in my backpack 24x7 I take to work and travel with.

    10. Re:I dislike Beats... by stms · · Score: 1

      I think he means that beats made "high quality headphones"* sexy. Which in turn made the average Joe consumer actually care about the quality of their audio gear. Which helps nerds like you and me get better priced audio gear because big companies see the value of investing in the production of high quality audio gear.
      *I use the term "high quality headphones" loosely because beats aren't great but they are much better than what most people were using before.

    11. Re:I dislike Beats... by umdesch4 · · Score: 1

      Well, my headphones were around $350, but they have significant amounts of titanium and kevlar in their construction. I think they're worth it...

    12. Re:I dislike Beats... by scubamage · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They're really not that great. They're built for a single type of music (things that go thump). Try listening to something like an Opera or a Symphony and they'll quickly fall to shambles. They're unbalanced, there's no definition of sound, the soundstage is only decent on the low end, the frequency response is worse than you can find on most earbuds... they're pretty bad. And they're overpriced.

    13. Re:I dislike Beats... by shitzu · · Score: 1

      And over ear headphones not being popular somehow deterred you from buying them until Beats made them popular?

    14. Re:I dislike Beats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps he didn't know you could buy 'over ear' headphones before Beats came along... which would explain a lot.

    15. Re:I dislike Beats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because titanium, at ~ $30/kg really contributed to the costs?
      I know, Kevlar at around $6 square meter probably made up the difference?

      Be sure to plug your gear into a $147 "audio grade" outlet for "optimum sound".

      http://www.switched.com/2009/10/28/the-laughable-147-audio-grade-power-outlet/

    16. Re:I dislike Beats... by P-niiice · · Score: 1

      No they aren't bad at all, and thousands of internet sound engineers have taken the 'overpriced' description and interpreted that as 'total crap'. They're not bad headphones - good ones actually, just not as good as their price, and too bassy for some. They're a fashion statement - pay less and get the same or better sound, or wear the fashion and pay for that privilege.

    17. Re:I dislike Beats... by P-niiice · · Score: 1

      Sennheisers are my babies. I need another pair.

    18. Re:I dislike Beats... by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Remember that many people still use earbuds for five bucks with such a bad quality that they honestly can't tell the difference between a 128 kbps MP3 and CD audio. Beats may not be good but they are vastly better than ultra-cheap earbuds.

      Then again, so are other earphones with smaller price tags.

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    19. Re:I dislike Beats... by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      There are many types of music that go thump. Most people do not want to listen to opera or symphony (those should not be capitalized by the way; it only serves to make you look even more self-congratulatory and condescending). No one wants balanced headphones but studio engineers.

      There are better "quality" headphones in the price range of Beats but style is important to a lot of people (although I think they're pretty ugly). Let's cut the "I am superior because I buy a different brand than you" nonsense.

    20. Re:I dislike Beats... by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      It is a supply/demand thing. If you need high quality cans for audio production you will likely be paying a lot simply because there are far fewer people buying those than cheaper "makes sound" headphones.

    21. Re:I dislike Beats... by scubamage · · Score: 2

      Wow, way to have a completely tangential conversation. Sorry if I pissed in your punch, but your generalizations about music tastes of the populace, and desires of the market while completely ignoring actual facts about the hardware make me pretty sure you need to reread what slashdot is - news for nerds. Some of us are audiophiles. Some of us are musicians. Some of us are sound techs. A lot of us DO care about those numbers on the back of the box, and what they translate to when you experience the music. I'd rather pay for balanced headphones which can listen to anything and sound incredible for a fraction of the price than pad some business man's pockets for selling a subpar product. But hey, keep justifying spending too much for an inferior product to yourself. No one is saying "I am superior because I buy a different brand than you," I'm saying that this product is inferior for a number of technical reasons. Please join the conversation that is actually going on, not the one you want to have. Thank you.

    22. Re:I dislike Beats... by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      It wasn't tangential. Beats are optimized for listening to a different type of music. Their name is even derived from it. You used it as am opportunity to let everyone know that you listen to Opera and Symphony. I know it's common on Slashdot for people to try to validate their sense of superiority based on brands they buy / music they listen to / how they shave their face but that doesn't make it any more valid.

      It's just false that their "frequency response is worse than you can find in most earbuds". I do not like Beats and I do not own a pair but they are no where near as bad as you say they are. You are just throwing buzzwords out to get your smug on.

      I never made a generalization about music tastes. I made a statement about headphone tastes. It can be verified in what is bought, what is sold and reviews. Not even your audiophiles (who do not have a very good reputation here at Slashdot in the first place) typically buy "balanced" headphones. People want headphones that are tuned to the type of music they listen to. Which is what Beats are and also why they do not sound good for the music you stated.

      <condescending>Please keep to the topic at hand and not make everything about the superiority of your tastes. Thank you.</condescending>

    23. Re:I dislike Beats... by scubamage · · Score: 1

      You do realize that classical music is used for rating headphones, yes? It's not because I listen to it exclusively, it's because it provides opportunities to see if there is enough clarity and definition of sound to do things like determine if you can tell violins from violas from cellos, or tell the horns apart. Read professional headphone reviews. It's not a matter of "superiority," it's stated because it's a tool in determining quality. Given you didn't know that, I'm pretty sure most of your other points are moot about determining fidelity. I'd rebut your statement about frequency response, but I think this image does a much better job. You sound like you're A) butthurt because someone is saying a brand you don't like is technically inferior, and B) like you simply have no idea what you're talking about.

    24. Re:I dislike Beats... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Gotcha.

      Gotta agree with that. :-)

    25. Re:I dislike Beats... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > No one wants balanced headphones but studio engineers.

      I should call "Bullshit", but instead I'll say:

      [Citation needed]

    26. Re:I dislike Beats... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > they have made over ear headphones popular.

      The technical term is Circumaural

      Reference:

      * Headphone Types

    27. Re:I dislike Beats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > they have made over ear headphones popular.

      The technical term is Circumaural

      Reference:

      * Headphone Types

      AC to preserve moderation.
      The term is "headphones". That's it. "Circumaural" only came about because idiots like to pretend that ear buds are headphones and "in ear monitors" are not ear buds. Don't even get me started on calling any overpriced speaker a monitor or calling any overpriced player a pickup.

    28. Re:I dislike Beats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try listening to Audio-Technica ATH-M50. I used them for years. Also good: Sennheiser HD280, Sony MDR7506. You can probably hear a few others if you ask a DJ.

    29. Re:I dislike Beats... by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      Why would I be butthurt that a brand I didn't like was technically inferior? Given that you can't even make a logically consistent sentence I am pretty sure your other points are moot (see- both can play at that game)

      Fun fact: "music that goes thump" as you put it does not feature a lot of violins, violas or cellos to tell apart. A balanced set of headphones are technically superior to an unbalanced set if perfect sound reproduction is your metric. Few people use that as a metric (audiophiles definitely included). And I was never talking about "superiority" of the headphones. I was talking about you using tastes in music and buzzwords to validate your own sense of superiority.

      I will not deny that a lot of people buy Beats based mainly on their style. They also buy them because they feel they sound better when listening to bass heaving music than a more flat set. You can call me butthurt all you want but I don't like headphones to be too bass heavy either- I have a pair of Beyerdyamics myself. My preference nor your preference makes their preference inferior. And it certainly shouldn't make you feel so smug about yourself.

    30. Re:I dislike Beats... by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      I should have used the more technical "flat-response" to be more clear with my meaning but here is a citation from Audio Technica. They clearly recommend choosing a pair of headphones based on what sounds best with the music you listen to. There is no "best" headphone; flat-response is not universally desired.

      It is a lot like computer monitors. A graphic artist needs a monitor that faithfully represents colours. Most general users think a glossy laptop screen looks "better". A lot of people like the sound of loose bass and it is well known that Beats will provide the sound they like. I don't like loose bass so I don't like Beats- simple as that. I don't need to get all smug about it.

      Kind of like how audiophiles like the sound of tube amps and vinyl even though it may be technically inferior to other options.

    31. Re:I dislike Beats... by scubamage · · Score: 1
      "A balanced set of headphones are technically superior to an unbalanced set if perfect sound reproduction is your metric."

      Given that the job of headphones is to reproduce the soundwaves indicated by an audio source, I'm pretty sure that is the only metric that matters. Or, tell me, why should we pay hundreds of dollars for equipment that can't reproduce sound properly?

    32. Re:I dislike Beats... by Mictester · · Score: 1

      I use headphones with an absolutely ruler flat response from 30Hz to 19kHz. I use them for listening to the radio, TV, music and even (sometimes) telephone calls. They're Sennheisers and are ideal, lightweight, uncoloured headphones.

      By comparison, the "Beats" rubbish are bass heavy, distorted and have all sorts of bizarre phase shifts and peaks and troughs in their response. They're truly horrible, physically uncomfortable to wear and grossly overpriced. Their abysmal performance, with their bizarre pricing and spurious cache amongst the ignorant makes them an ideal "fit" for Apple.

  3. Style over substance by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it's safe to assume Apple wanted the Beats brand and styling, since the technology is nothing special. Beats headphones sound shit compared to much cheaper competitors, so apparently the logo is worth billions.

    We seem to be in another bubble, where brand popularity is valued way too high.

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    1. Re:Style over substance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Beats headphones sound shi

      I'm of two minds on this. Yes, they are crap headphones that sound horrible, but they are much better quality than the Bose scam products. So while they do sound painfully bad, they are still much better than the garbage that the general public associates with good quality. Maybe Apple can do something about the poor quality and actually start making a product that is merely bad instead of horrible. Either way, they can't do worse than Bose.

    2. Re:Style over substance by NoKaOi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      so apparently the logo is worth billions

      Well, isn't that the case with just about everything? Branding & perception. Ask your average purchaser what they think of Beats headphones and most of them will tell you they sound amazing and are totally worth the price. It's like Coke vs. Safeway Select cola. They taste exactly the same (not all brands taste the same, but in that particular case they do), but the store brand is 1/4 the price. Yet plenty of people still buy Coke when the store brand version is sitting in the same aisle. Now think of brand names in just about anything. What makes Beats any different? Do you seriously think quality matters more than branding perception to most consumers?

      And you're ignoring this part:

      An important part of the acquisition for Apple is absorbing the Beats subscription streaming service

      Not just the service, but more likely the licensing agreements.

    3. Re:Style over substance by nblender · · Score: 3, Informative

      I hadn't heard of Beats until last week. I was in a Future Shop (like Best Buy) with my son and he was all gaga over some of these Beats headphones on display... So I put them on and listened. It was like I was listening to music through a tin can while someone tapped on the can with a pencil... I'm far from a 'golden ear' audiophile wanker... I have a pair of mid-low end Sennheisers on my head 8 hours a day at work...

    4. Re:Style over substance by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      Seriously has Apple ever done anything that puts branding and perception over Reality? Distortion of this kind is pretty much a Field that they invented.

      (or they were getting flack over not having any minority execs, and with this deal Dr. Dre is now a VP @ Apple right?)

    5. Re:Style over substance by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      They also brand android software drivers for cell phone and tablet speakerphones.

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    6. Re:Style over substance by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      It's like Coke vs. Safeway Select cola. They taste exactly the same (not all brands taste the same, but in that particular case they do)...

      If you think the favor of Coke isn't unique and clearly distinguishable versus knockoffs, you don't have a particularly good palate.

      I don't profess to have a great palate, but being a Coke drinker, I can even pick out Dasani from among other bottled waters because of the salts they put back in. [Most of the big water bottlers RO their water, and then put back in a distinct set of minerals. You can easily develop a taste for Dasani over Aquafina or the other way around...]

    7. Re:Style over substance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny this should come up just as I'm enjoying a Mexican Coke. If Safeway makes a non-HFCS soda I might give it a try. Until then, when I treat myself to a soda (it's a treat folks, not a staple) it'll usually be Mexican Coke. If it isn't that, it's Perrier mixed with Welch's grape juice. It used to be Calistoga water in that mix, but for some reason Safeway stopped carrying it and none of the other waters here have as much carbonation as Perrier. Either that, or they come in plastic which I hate...

    8. Re:Style over substance by jbolden · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I don't know about that. Beats has something like 2/3rds of the headphone industry selling $50 headphones for $200. Beats probably does about $1b in 2014 in sales. I'm hard pressed to see how that brand isn't easily worth $2b and for a control investor a like Apple who could leverage beats to also sell phones... I don't see the bubble.

      I'll agree the technology is worth $0.

    9. Re:Style over substance by greg1104 · · Score: 1, Informative

      Serious Coke drinkers can even tell what type of container the soda was stored in. Larger containers are carbonated more heavily so they can survive being opened more times, and that makes them taste differently.

    10. Re:Style over substance by geekoid · · Score: 2

      unless they are blinded, and then that ability magically goes away.

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    11. Re:Style over substance by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sure. There's no questioning that, say, fountain Coke varies from location to location - McDonald's uses RO water, generally the same equipment, and a Coke there tastes different (and to me, better) than a fountain Coke at Burger King -- which purifies its water, but not RO. Also, apparently, a larger quantity of the water is kept chilled in their RO system (keeping it colder, allowing for better CO2 absorption).

      [A quick "McDonalds reverse osmosis" search shows a few articles that all say the same thing.]

      You can generally get a good Coke at your local Water and Ice store for similar reasons.

      Anyone living near Mexico can also tell the difference between a glass bottled Mexican Coke and the US version because of the sugar used.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...
      It used to be a treat at "real' Mexican restaurants here in the Southwest, but now they're available at Costco.
      [I personally avoid most sugared drinks, but indulge in the occasional "MexiCoke."]

      Regardless, Safeway Select Cola is in no way "exactly the same" as Coke :)

    12. Re:Style over substance by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Coke and Safeway Select DO taste the same though. Of course, that's today's Dasani Coke, not the coke of yesteryear that used whatever water the local bottler felt like using. I've definitely tasted how Coke has changed in different places over the years, even though I don't drink it at all anymore.

      SS has also done a pretty good job at making their Tonic Water taste just like Schweppe's. Maybe they've caught on to the Dasani mineral content? It wouldn't be too difficult, as they've stripped out all the extra stuff, so all you've got left is a simple set of minerals and H2O.

    13. Re:Style over substance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We seem to be in another bubble, where brand popularity is valued way too high.

      What is your estimate of the value of the Beats brand? Please show your work. Obviously you have one or you wouldn't have made that statement. And clearly you wouldn't just pull a number ut of thin air, but rather you made an effort to come up with a more accurate number. I'm sure you're right, but please explain how you got there.

    14. Re:Style over substance by mjwx · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think it's safe to assume Apple wanted the Beats brand and styling, since the technology is nothing special. Beats headphones sound shit compared to much cheaper competitors, so apparently the logo is worth billions.

      You see Beats sells headphones with cheap hardware worth about $50 for around $300.
      Apple sells phones with cheap hardware worth about $100 for $600.

      Both utilise brand over performance, style over substance and both like to give their customers a good rodgering at every opportunity. It's a marriage made in corporate heaven.

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    15. Re:Style over substance by shirro · · Score: 1

      Apple has become something of a fashion brand. While they still make some very good technology clearly many people buy their products for other qualities. Perhaps Apple think they risk being seen as an old persons brand and young people might defect to the competition. Buying Beats seems like a way to try and buy credibility amongst a new generation. Given that many tech buyers are fairly ignorant pushing branding and celebrity endorsements probably isn't a bad way to go for shareholders. I might think Beats is rubbish but I think most things teenagers like are rubbish so I would never make money out of them.

      If they start selling MacBook Pros by Dre with loud colours, crap specs, celebrity endorsements and even higher margins than currently I think Apple will have lost the plot.

    16. Re:Style over substance by Proudrooster · · Score: 1

      It has to do with Apple owning the culture of "cool" in the USA.

      Just ask yourself, would a teenager rather have a closet full of trendy clothes or an gold iPhone 5?

      Yes, the gold iPhone 5 wins everytime....

      Apple gets Dr. Dre out of this deal, thus Dr. Dre will now be an Apple employee/aquihire.

      Apple needs to transition from selling tracks on iTunes to getting people to pay for streaming without destroying the music business. Dr. Dre is the man for the job.

      Apple has watched the decline of facebook as the young-ins are a leaving because it just ain't cool anymore and they do not want this to happen to their brand, which is really, really smart.

      When Apple lost Jobs, they really lost the reality distortion field and it is going to take about 5 amazing icons working together to regenerate the reality distortion field and this purchase move them toward that goal.

    17. Re:Style over substance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No highs? No lows? Must be Bose!

    18. Re:Style over substance by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      I think it has more to do with Beats Music and Iovine being a god among Hollywood insiders.

      Beats headphones probably means the pack in earbuds change at some level.

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    19. Re:Style over substance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They DO worse than Bose. Beats headphones are just shit. I'm surprised Beats has any speaker drivers in those headphones. x

    20. Re:Style over substance by umdesch4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm surprised you're being modded flamebait. My first listen to the $299 version of Beats, I was certain they were actually broken. But no, I tried them at 3 different stores, and I can't for the life of my understand how they just don't sound downright bad to other people. They sound broken to me. The bass is cranked, but only in a very narrow range that makes certain notes in a bassline sound louder than others, and there's some weird kind of thing going on in the midrange that almost sounds like phase cancellation. I dunno man...

    21. Re:Style over substance by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Beats headphones sound shit compared to much cheaper competitors, so apparently the logo is worth billions.

      Then again, they can't possibly sound worse than say, the standard Apple earbuds that Apple provides.

      Granted, the Apple ones are "free", but you can also buy them separately, and are universally considered to be shit.

      As for Beats, well, I know a few people who like them. Apparently they sound like shit except for specific music types. Overcompressed popular beat heavy music apparently sounds decent. Of course, I don't particularly like that sort of music, so I can't really say if that music sounds good.

      Though, the Beats DSP technology does have advantages - tablets and phones that use it generally do sound better and less tinny from the built in speaker. While Apple's acoustics in their tablets and phones is generally good (compared to many other devices), they still do sound tinny at the louder volumes.

      So there's a chance that iDevices could sound better from the built in speakers, as can their laptops and desktops.

      Of course, they were acquired for the licensing agreements most likely...

      And it's entirely possible Beats will continue as a separate company, and not folded into Apple. After all, Google distances itself from the fact that they own a ton of ad networks as well (especially the likes of DoubleClick, known for their popups and popunder ads). So Apple could do the same just as well.

      Or maybe do everyone a favor and discontinue the headphones.

    22. Re:Style over substance by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      Coke and Safeway Select DO taste the same though.

      While Safeway's generics are pretty good, they're still not the real thing to any soda snob.

      I think their Zero product is the closest - for whatever that's worth.

    23. Re:Style over substance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple aren't after the headphones. They're after the subscription service and the licensing agreements.

    24. Re:Style over substance by jhol13 · · Score: 1

      I have, and never will, understand the Coke-phenomenon.
      To me all colas are "too strong", they kill the taste food - so they cannot be drank with food. But still people do. For thirst - no, again, too much sugar or other sweeteners, it does not take the thirst away. But still people do.

      By far the best drink is tap water, for thirst and with most foods (unless you fancy a nice beer or wine, but that is different story entirely).

      Apparently there are even cola-connoisseur like you (not that there's anything wrong about it).

      Don't get me wrong, I occasionally do drink a soft drink, but that is mostly to get some sugar into blood stream.

    25. Re:Style over substance by Microsift · · Score: 1

      different

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    26. Re:Style over substance by Bogtha · · Score: 2

      Apple sells phones with cheap hardware worth about $100 for $600.

      The $649 iPhone 5S costs Apple about $199 to build. And of course, that doesn't account for things like the cost of developing the software, or operating the servers that supply service to these devices.

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    27. Re:Style over substance by Gunboat_Diplomat · · Score: 2

      unless they are blinded, and then that ability magically goes away.

      Properly conducted double blind ABX tests are incredible insights into how perceptions influence our experiences. People who are just absolutely no questions about it convinced they have no problem whatsoever tasting or hearing a difference shockingly often lose that ability when they really don't know what they are tasting/listening to.

    28. Re:Style over substance by 16Chapel · · Score: 1

      > By far the best drink is tap water,

      Uh, not in London - it has a noticeable chemical taste, compared to tap water in e.g. Yorkshire. And let's not even think about the tap water in Iceland, which smells of eggs.

    29. Re:Style over substance by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I have, and never will, understand the Coke-phenomenon.
      To me all colas are "too strong", they kill the taste food

      Try coca-cola with sushi. Mind, blown. Each brings out the flavor of the other.

      Don't get me wrong, I occasionally do drink a soft drink, but that is mostly to get some sugar into blood stream.

      Yay, sugar crash with a caffeine crash.

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    30. Re:Style over substance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      coca cola produces regional flavoured products, Im in denmark and they have a slight cinnamon taste here +real sugar/no cornsyrup(not allowed) - it's delicous, but go to germany and theirs tastes like USA crap

    31. Re:Style over substance by nine-times · · Score: 1

      The rumor seems to be (and this makes sense to me) that Beats was purchased for their licensing deals and personnel more than for their headphones.

    32. Re:Style over substance by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      The problem is they are all loaded with corn syrup. I used to like a variety of sodas - I still do, but increasingly I find the sweetness overwhelming.

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    33. Re:Style over substance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's like Coke vs. Safeway Select cola. They taste exactly the same"

      you better be right...

    34. Re:Style over substance by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      The rumor seems to be (and this makes sense to me) that Beats was purchased for their licensing deals and personnel more than for their headphones.

      Apple pretty much says this in the press release - which is the first link in the summary.

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    35. Re:Style over substance by greg1104 · · Score: 1

      Oh goodie, a lesson on ABX testing I didn't need. Carbonation is more obvious than the taste differences people often fail to confirm in blind test. Slate even did some coverage on container carbonation differences talking about it. According to that I didn't necessarily describe the cause and effect correctly in my quick comment--it may be from gas escaping rather than a bottling difference--but the effect I was describing is real.

      Have you ever noticed the difference between flat soda and fresh? If so, why do you believe carbonation level and bottle specific characteristics are never distinguishable? There's a motion component to it. A major reason flat soda tastes differently is that you expect a different taste from the bubbles, whether or not there even is a taste difference outside of that. Your perception of carbonation turns into a taste even though it's really not a taste, exactly. The same way that knowing the brand alters how you taste--the bit that screws up non-blind taste tests--sensing the carbonation in your mouth changes how you taste too.

      Fine, you say that's still me claiming something, not a test result. I looked around for five minutes for a blind test showing some difference between two different Coke product packages that included observations on the "fizziness" of the product impacting preference. Here's a recent blind comparison with untrained testers doing exactly that. I don't think it's studied more because it is too obvious to bother.

    36. Re:Style over substance by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      The $649 iPhone 5S costs Apple about $199 to build. And of course, that doesn't account for things like the cost of developing the software, or operating the servers that supply service to these devices.

      Also unaccounted for: royalties of around $120-$150. So in total, an iPhone doesn't cost Apple about $100, it costs them upwards of $350.

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  4. Beats? BEATS? by mark_reh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why don't they just buy iHome while they're at it? Then they'll control 90% of the iCrap market.

  5. Bubble of $23,600 per user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2.6 Billion dollar = 2,600,000,000 dollar
    110k users = 110,000 users

    this is equivalent to 23,600 dollar per user

    Big bubble!

    1. Re:Bubble of $23,600 per user by Stormwatch · · Score: 2

      As others have mentioned: it's not the users, it's not the shitty headphones -- Apple wants the licensing deals that Beats already has.

    2. Re:Bubble of $23,600 per user by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Yeah someone at apple was smoking some fine chronic, that's fo sho.

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    3. Re:Bubble of $23,600 per user by Goody · · Score: 1

      Then they need to spin off the shit headphone business. I doubt they will considering Cook is getting his picture taken with Dr. Dre.

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    4. Re:Bubble of $23,600 per user by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Then they need to spin off the shit headphone business. I doubt they will considering Cook is getting his picture taken with Dr. Dre.

      I'm sure Google will gladly pay 5 billion for it.

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  6. Beats Streaming Service has 110K Users? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

    I wonder how many iTunes Radio has.

    After all, according to Apple fans, "iTunes has 800 million credit cards!" You'd think they'd manage more than 0.01% of their users...

    I gotta admit--I don't get this one. Streaming service? Apple has iTunes Radio. Headphones? Okay, but they're not folding it into Apple. As someone mentioned, Jimmy Iovine? I would think they could get him cheaper than 3 billion.

    1. Re:Beats Streaming Service has 110K Users? by glwtta · · Score: 1

      Beats owns the "high-end fashion accessory" segment of a technology-oriented market - seems like a perfect fit with Apple.

      They're making money hand-over-fist (I assume?) selling shitty headphones at silly prices, why should it mean anything more than that to Apple?

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    2. Re:Beats Streaming Service has 110K Users? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, a co-worker brought up a good point.

      Apple had to go begging and pleading to the music labels to get permission to stream music and they probably got reamed. Supposedly, Beats Music has a kick-ass licensing deal with the labels--better than Spotify and Pandora. So now that's Apple's deal.

    3. Re:Beats Streaming Service has 110K Users? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      This is likely for the streaming agreements, so they can bolster their offerings on iTunes Radio. I doubt it has much to do with the headphones (hence why they're leaving that part of the business alone).

    4. Re:Beats Streaming Service has 110K Users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Those license deals aren't transferable. (I might be wrong, but I think this was discussed on Ars--I remember it because it was one of those reasonable explanations that turned out to be untrue.)

    5. Re:Beats Streaming Service has 110K Users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I appreciate speculation, but have you seen the contracts?

      Beats has industry contacts thanks to Iovine and Dr. Dre, with licensing contracts better than what Apple can get. Yes! The deals are THAT GOOD! Only reason to buy Beats, is to get to that.

      Besides. $3Billion is cupboard change to Apple. I'm betting they make $10Billion off of it in 2 years.

    6. Re:Beats Streaming Service has 110K Users? by quenda · · Score: 1

      Besides. $3Billion is cupboard change to Apple. I'm betting they make $10Billion off of it in 2 years.

      Most of Apple's money is from hardware. $3G is many months gross revenue from iTunes.

  7. Apple has now jumped the shark by Spy+Handler · · Score: 2, Informative

    what exactly does Beats have that Apple can't come up with by itself in an afternoon? Hell they could get Eminem or some other rapper to endorse it for a lot less money.

    I used to be an Apple faithful but I think their days of innovation are past. Even Samsung is still trying to make its own shit like the VR goggles rather than just buy whatever seems popular.

    1. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hype.

      Apple used to be good at making it.
      Then Jobs died.
      Now they have to buy it.

    2. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by YouGotTobeKidding · · Score: 2

      I can see why you posted AC - because you are a 'tard. Just look at the size of Sammy's patent portfolio and the amount they spend on RnD. Actually dont. It will blow your little apple fanboi mind. Not saying Samsung is above copying...but Apple has copied a shit ton more than Samsung.

    3. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think Samsung is any better than Apple, you need to look again. They are both shit rip-off companies and the world would be better off without either.

      Patent portfolios are not a measure of innovation.

    4. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by praxis · · Score: 0

      what exactly does Beats have that Apple can't come up with by itself in an afternoon?

      Already-signed, good deals licensing music recordings for streaming to customers.

    5. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by zr · · Score: 2

      1. beats is a decent popular brand
      2. 100k streaming subscribers in one go
      3. two highly capable execs to handle day to day dealings with music industry
      4. eddie the stuff cue gets to go back to figuring out the cloud
      5. beats makes healthy profit, nothing to sneeze at

      looks like a very well calculated tactical move

    6. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by sootman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Wow. A 15-year climb from bankruptcy to the most valuable company in the world and people still look at every single move Apple makes and say "wow, that's fucking dumb." Isn't it just remotely possible that Tim Cook knows what the fuck he's doing, and that there's a good reason for buying Beats? How 'bout we give it a few weeks, huh? Maybe, just maybe, the guy running Apple knows something you don't, and perhaps we should give him the benefit of the doubt just this once and see how this plays out before passing judgement?

      Sorry, I must be new here.

      Besides: every move Apple makes doesn't have to be some earth-shaking road to an innovation unseen since the last amazing thing they did (which everyone shit all over at the time anyway.) If Apple buys Beats or Pepsi or Whirlpool or Nabisco or whoever for $3 billion and they make more than $3 billion off of that in the near future, then it was a good investment, right? Do you know what would make Beats worth $3 billion today? IF IT EARNS $5 BILLION IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. And oh, look, that's probably what will happen. (And note that Tim Cook probably has better financial info available than a year-old Fast Company article.) Maybe Tim looked at Dre's books and decided that with Apple's awesome buying power and manufacturing prowess that they could DOUBLE the profit of Beats OVERNIGHT. They might earn that money back by next Christmas.

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    7. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      It becomes expensive throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

    8. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by YouGotTobeKidding · · Score: 1

      Yup....thats research and development in a nutshell.

    9. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by YouGotTobeKidding · · Score: 1

      AC I cordially invite you to go fuck yourself. You seem to think "Samsung" is just one big company. Its not. There are many divisions of Samsung that are creating - and have created - cutting edge tech. Tech that is changing the face of the industry. For example their storage division's Solid State Drives have the lowest RMA in the consumer sphere. The only one comparable in NAND mfg'ing is Toshiba (imho IMFT's output varies from good to very good...but its QA is a touch lacking...thus is 3rd). Hell if its wasn for Samsung's storage division solid state drives as we know it today wouldnt exist.

    10. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by Khyber · · Score: 0

      You must be new to the planet, because Google overtook Apple as the most valuable brand a week or so ago.

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    11. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 2

      Beats were a cool brand 5 years ago when they were new and had novelty value. Like most things in the fashion world they have already transitioned from edgy and unique, to every wannabe dork has them, and are hence now on the path to irrelevance. There is nowhere Beats can go from here other than down. Seems like a pretty poor move from Apple. But then they seem to be headed down that road too.

    12. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The climb up was under Jobs' leadership. Cook's turn at the helm seems to be the slide back down again. It's slow, but it's happening. The magic is gone, and the products are no longer technically superior to the competition.

      It's already been long enough to see that. They ditched Jobs' "one true tablet size" pretty quickly. The iPhone 5/5s were both extremely "meh" and a year or two behind the competition. iOS 7 seems to have borrowed heavily from the flat look of Android and Windows, but still lacks basic stuff like widgets that make them great. Their in-car stuff is already eclipsed by MirrorLink and didn't generate much buzz when announced... Can you imagine how Jobs would have gone to town with that? Even the new Mac Pro was a bit of a damp squib once people realized that the GPUs were crippled versions of the full size cards.

      Sorry, but Apple has lost it's reality distortion field generator, and the field itself is collapsing. They could still turn it around, but at the moment they are reduced to producing misleading charts to pretend everything is going well.

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    13. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Apple DIDN'T go from near-bankruptcy to the most valuable company over 15 years?

      OR you read what you wanted to read instead of what was actually posted.

    14. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That "most valuable" brand nonsense was some asshole's assessment on the brand's popularity, not market cap. As of right now, AAPL's market cap is 541B and GOOG is 381B.

    15. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most valuable brand is probably the least valuable metric in the business world.

      Apple's market cap (541.98B) is MUCH higher than Google's (377.48B) and that's a measure of actual company value.

      Stop buying into PR hype and look at actually informative details.

    16. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you mean "most valuable brand" based on some random guy's opinion. He means actual value in dollars.
      Mkt cap (NASDAQ)
      GOOG: 380.73B
      AAPL: 542.32B

    17. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if he was indeed "new to the planet", he would have only seen google as the most valuable, never apple. so.. is it perhaps YOU that is the recent arrival, not him?

    18. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two words: Jimmy Iovine. Apple has no clue how to make a subscription service profitable (see iTunes Radio) and iTunes direct-purchase sales are trending downward. They're buying the company to get the guy.

    19. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      AC I cordially invite you to go fuck yourself. You seem to think "Samsung" is just one big company. Its not. There are many divisions of Samsung that are creating - and have created - cutting edge tech. Tech that is changing the face of the industry.

      http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2014/06/apple-samsung-smartphone-patent-war.print - read it and weep.

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    20. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      You must be new to the planet, because Google overtook Apple as the most valuable brand a week or so ago.

      In one of many rankings. In Forbes' Google is only #5 (guess who's on top). Interbrand has Google still on #2. BrandZ dito. And those are just the top three surveys when googleing.

      You do realize that that report only garnered the attention because Apple didn't win this one for a change?

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    21. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Even Samsung is still trying to make its own shit like the VR goggles rather than just buy whatever seems popular.

      Turns out they are "in collaboration with" Occulus instead of doing their own shit. Surprise.

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    22. Re:Apple has now jumped the shark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article you linked is silly (and like a year out of date). The correct way to compare sales to prior years is to compare equivalent quarters, not just the most recent ones. Furthermore, they even note in that article that

      Apple sold 31.2 million iPhones in Q3 2013, which is up from 26 million in the year-ago quarter.

      That's still big growth. Considering, the supposed point of the article is to highlight misleading data, they sure do their best to present misleading data. Such as talking about 1 day stock changes and then try and extrapolate that into a trend.

      By the way, Apple still presents all their financial data in all the normal GAAP measures, so the whole point of the article is stupid.

  8. Re:Beats? BEATS? by bengoerz · · Score: 1

    The markup in Beats puts iHome to shame.

    Beats takes analog audio hardware that hasn't changed since the 70s, sprinkles fairy design dust on it, and sells it for big money. What better model for Apple's transistor & software business?

  9. At last Dre has enough money to go back to school by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now he can finish his Doctorate and stop living a lie!

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  10. Buying a streaming contract? by kinarduk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know apple have tried hard to get the labels to sign up to a music streaming service. Perhaps they bought beats because it already had a contract in place with the major labels, thus removing all of the complicated negotiations?

  11. For the clueless on the deal. by jazzis · · Score: 1

    Jimmy Iovine is the deal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J...

  12. Re:At last Dre has enough money to go back to scho by FoolishBluntman · · Score: 1

    Let's all go over Dr. Dre's crib and have a wild party!
    Why not, the fucker's a billionaire
    Everybody is bothered because their lame idea didn't win the internet lottery.
    Oh yeah, and Dre can go get his doctorate, NOT!

  13. Only in America by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The DJ responsible for "Fuck Tha Police" just made a billion dollars. I love it.

    1. Re:Only in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The DJ responsible for "Fuck Tha Police" just made a billion dollars. I love it.

      I gotta wonder if he's gonna tweet "Not hard at all, motherfucker!" to T. Boone Pickens.

    2. Re:Only in America by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 2

      The DJ responsible for "Fuck Tha Police" just made a billion dollars. I love it.

      Now he can write a song called "Fuck Tha [Apple] Shareholders"...

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    3. Re:Only in America by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      Pedantic rap fan-

      That song was actually written by Ice Cube when he was 15. Dr. Dre produced it, and played the role of the judge. He doesn't rap (he didn't really rap at all until Ice Cube quit the group) but he gets to say the great line "The jury has found you guilty of being a redneck, white bread, chickenshit motherfucker".

      A couple weeks ago Snoop Dogg quoted that line in reference to Donald Sterling.

  14. WWDC by GrahamCox · · Score: 1

    This still seems baffling. But WWDC is next week, so maybe that will shed some light on the real story.

  15. No one cared when it was HP... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find it funny how many people break out their old favorite of Apple bashing when HP was the one that included Beats audio in their "premium" laptops and no one said a word. It is a vanity/luxury brand, it isn't about being the best audiophile headphones. They may not be for you, that is OK. However when you walk on any college campus you see quite a few Macs and Beats headphones so the acquisition makes sense.

    1. Re:No one cared when it was HP... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      including beats in a product is not the same as flat out buying it fucktard

  16. Who cares ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Most of Beats products don't work with anything else than Apple products anyway... I bought a Beats earphones for my girlfriend's Galaxy S4, the microphone did not work, neither did the mute and volume keys. I searched around the web, and a lot of people experienced this, without fix. I called Beats, they said that Android is not supported, it's "made for iPhones, iPods and iPads".

    So who cares ? Everyone should be happy, now it's clear.

  17. Price for new product?? by Eloking · · Score: 2

    Omg, two of the most overpriced brand fused together? Can't wait to see their new Beats+Apple headset for +1k$, everyone will love it.

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  18. Android phones with "Beats" branding... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if HTC will find an alternative brand to put on their phones which provide a 'premium' audio experience...

    1. Re:Android phones with "Beats" branding... by QQBoss · · Score: 1

      They already did. Beats was only used with the HTC M7. Now, they call the exact same thing "Boomsound". If you use Sprint in the USA, you can also get the HTC One M8/Harmon Kardon Edition, which is actually an improvement over the software that works with the standard M8's boomsound (though I am not sure the hardware changes at all). It also gains the ability to play FLAC files, which Beats didn't give, a free Spotify account for 6 months for "Framily [sic] plan" users, and a nice set of earphones. But as a past Sprint user for over 10 years, I am an ex-Sprint user now and probably forever, and the only reason I would consider getting this phone would be to immediately root it which would negate some of the bonus features that only work on the Sprint Network. If it supported two SIMs, I would seriously consider that, though.

  19. "The Beats brand will remain intact"... by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 1

    "The Beats brand will remain intact," says the headline. But will the Apple brand remain intact? This is one of the most confidence-shaking moves we've seen since Jobs died. Isn't quality central to Apple's value proposition? Doesn't Beats have a poor quality reputation? Doesn't everybody know that Dre prefers Koss Portapros?

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    1. Re:"The Beats brand will remain intact"... by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      This is likely why they're keeping the Beats brand intact... they don't want people associating it with the default (cheap) headphones Apple provides.

      Personally, I thought Apple's Bose relationship was the best audio one they ever had going. I had some of their Harmon Kardon speakers back in the day, and those were decent for their time.

      I really don't see Apple saying "now with Beats inside" any time soon....

    2. Re:"The Beats brand will remain intact"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe in the past quality was central to apple value proposition but it stopped being like that when steve could no longer buy extra time on this planet

    3. Re:"The Beats brand will remain intact"... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Isn't quality central to Apple's value proposition?

      No, and it hasn't been since the birth of the Performa line.

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    4. Re:"The Beats brand will remain intact"... by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 1

      Performa!!!??? You really don't think they've recovered their brand since Performa ended? That was 14 years ago when Performa ENDED. I'm talking about Apple devaluing the brand they have right now.

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    5. Re:"The Beats brand will remain intact"... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Isn't quality central to Apple's value proposition?

      No, and it hasn't been since the birth of the Performa line.

      Performa!!!??? You really don't think they've recovered their brand since Performa ended?

      Is your problem with reading comprehension, or with basic logic? That is nothing like what I said.

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    6. Re:"The Beats brand will remain intact"... by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 1

      Isn't quality central to Apple's value proposition?

      No, and it hasn't been since the birth of the Performa line.

      Performa!!!??? You really don't think they've recovered their brand since Performa ended?

      Is your problem with reading comprehension, or with basic logic? That is nothing like what I said.

      Does phrasing an insult as a question while demonstrating your own problems with reading comprehension and logic amuse you, or me?

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    7. Re:"The Beats brand will remain intact"... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Does phrasing an insult as a question while demonstrating your own problems with reading comprehension and logic amuse you, or me?

      I wouldn't know, because only the first part of that has happened. Why don't you let me know, using the rudimentary grunts you favor if necessary, which word you didn't understand.

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  20. Shame theres no Quality to Beats by danknight48 · · Score: 1

    Clearly Apple doesnt care about quality.
    Beats are over eq'd, overpriced, over-marketed with a high profit margin, a gimmick sucked up by the masses, nothing else.

    Really not sure what Apple has planned for it, but dont expect affordable, high quality headphones with your next ipod anytime soon.
    If you want quality over gimmicks, get yourself some DT990 Pros (or 770 for closed).

  21. Beats By Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  22. GOOD! by MpVpRb · · Score: 0

    I despise apple. I refer to them as "the distilled essence of evil"

    Nice to see them wasting money on a stupid purchase

    1. Re:GOOD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple bought them because they're useful for their future. Unlike when Google bought Motorola.

  23. um, what? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    At first I thought, good plan, because Apple doesn't seem to be able to make decent sound devices on their own. The trendy white earbuds may be, you know, trendy, but they sound like carp. But then I read that the Beats headphones (which I had never heard of) are carp also.

    Has anyone done a hearing test on the Apple board of directors recently? Just askin'.

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    1. Re:um, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm curious, exactly what sounds do "carp" make? A kind of bubbling sound?

    2. Re:um, what? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      It's like pr0n. A word with an obvious meaning spelled to get past censors. Doesn't appear to be an issue here, but I got in the habit of spelling it that way awhile back.

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  24. Beats just ate MOG, which I actually liked a lot. The Beats interface sucked so bad that I didn't bother subscribing after the trial.

  25. the end of Apple by gelfling · · Score: 0

    Litigation over innovation. This is the watershed moment when Apple became a shitty company run by lawyers dedicated to suing everyone.

  26. Is John Sculley running the show again? by Deathlizard · · Score: 0

    Apple just lit 3 Billion Dollars on fire? Awesome! It's not like they could have used that money for more important things like improving their own audio hardware using their own iconic music brand, start their own music service using their established music industry contacts and programming team, bought both Spotify and Pandora and still have enough money left to make the first rap star billionaire.

    At this rate, Steve Jobs will be vertical due to the sheer speed of his spinning corpse.

  27. CarPlay is powered by Blackberry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only reason this happened is because of the future of LTE modems in cars. Apple, Google, whomever will create subsidized data plans based on Beats subscriptions that Based Inside Automobiles. This dre'ing around (dre is yiddish for f'n around) regarding the lifestyle brand that Beats is, is whatever, moderately relevant, the key is the emotional curation of the 'talent' Ian Rogers, Reznor, Dre (who Reznor included way back on the Natural Born Killers OST, in the guise of Thaa Dog Pound track, which was under the rubric of Dre) Anyways, pre-installed Beats apps in Cars from 2015 on, that's f'n why, if this comment doesn't get a damn 2.5 for insightful, well, that would be consistent with the cluelessness that abounds even on usually intelligent areas of the internet. I don't care, this is the reason. Apple's first successful cloud service where the device is a car, instead of an mp3 player connected to the internet, it's a car. Current estimates of data are like $499 for six months at 30gigs, theoretically 30gigs of just music streaming is about 5 gigs a month, maybe 3.5, therefore the price will come down as the volume of users goes up. Ok, solved that problem.

    1. Re:CarPlay is powered by Blackberry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      LTE modems in cars will be a small convenience, not a humongous revolutionary life-changing piece of technology. It's a fixed device, you need to be IN YOUR CAR in order to use it. Anyone remember "car phones"? Yeah, those died pretty damn quickly once cell phones hit the market, didn't they? If this is Apple's reason for buying Beats, they're even stupider than I thought, and I didn't think my opinion of Apple could sink much lower.

  28. I thought ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... this was the outfit that makes those sleeveless t-shirts I always wear.

    Never mind.

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  29. Re:Beats? BEATS? by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

    Beats takes analog audio hardware that hasn't changed since the 70s

    If a pair of headphones incorporates neodymium magnets, it was designed after the 1970s. As for analog? Most passive headphones are analog.

  30. good closed headphones can be found by mbkennel · · Score: 1


    www.head-fi.org

    Not as good as open in general, but not bad at all.

  31. wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $27k per user

  32. Re:Dumb motherfucks! by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

    I mean, if you're really are into purple vegetables, I guess, but, crikey, that there's a fetish. . .

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    Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
  33. Brilliant marketing or big blunder? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple may have just managed to attract a new group of buyers with Beats purchase. Or it could have over estimated big time how Beats will attract those buyers to Apple products. In any case $3 billion is chicken feed for Apple and they need a new demographic of impulse buyers. Beats as a whole is just a company making fashionable products for a ethnic group of young people. The headphones are more fashion statements then good products. I doubt Apple can do much to save that pathetic fact. Apple can't even make good audio products. I am a bit concerned about Apple following trendy product trends which normally do not last very long.
    This could be a boom or bust for Apple.

  34. Re:Beats? BEATS? by zieroh · · Score: 1

    Beats takes analog audio hardware that hasn't changed since the 70s, sprinkles fairy design dust on it, and sells it for big money. What better model for Apple's transistor & software business?

    I was going to object to your outright dismissal of design and how important it is to good (or sometimes just popular) products. But then I remembered that this is slashdot.

    Hint: The failure of Linux to make inroads on the desktop is due to the exact same reason: the elevation of engineering above everything else.

    (And yes, I too am an engineer).

    --
    People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
  35. Only 110K people who have figured out how to... by anyaristow · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...sign up.

    I tried to sign up for the streaming service today. I pressed the prominent "free trial" button, read the terms of service and privacy policy, and filled out the web form, only to be told "username not reserved." WTF does that mean? Temporary trouble? Hit the sign up button again...username not reserved. Picked a different user name. "Email not reserved."

    So, I read some of their support forum, where other people are asking, "wtf is username not reserved", and found you had to sign up through their mobile app before you can sign up for the free trial on their website.

    I checked again and found no instructions to that effect.

    Maybe there are only 110K people who have figured out how to sign up.

    1. Re:Only 110K people who have figured out how to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you bothered to read something you would know that 250k is the number of SUBSCRIBERS paying now

    2. Re:Only 110K people who have figured out how to... by baka_toroi · · Score: 1

      Lots of people have stopped using the desktop in any significant way. I think apps are the default access route for most people nowadays. (Of course, I'm pulling this from my ass).

  36. Dr. Dre now has the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time to buy NWA.com from Delta (was the domain for Northwest Airlines).

  37. Another silly purchase. by blackicye · · Score: 1

    According to the wiki entry, they had a valuation of $1B in September 2013.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...

    I guess Apple can afford to throw money around.

  38. Re:Dumb motherfucks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jump the shark Fonzie!

    Yep, Apple have jumped multiple sharks and become the new Microsoft

    They're even cheating with APIs to block competitors, just like Microsoft did. http://marksands.github.io/201...

    Of course, this'll never be a story on Slashdot, 'cos Apple pays for it not to be.

  39. Re:At last Dre has enough money to go back to scho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now he can finish his Doctorate and stop living a lie!

    It's not a lie! He is not claiming to be a doctor, his first name is Dr., you insensitive clod! That's just how they roll in Compton. You sayin' his mama done him wrong?

  40. Pre-emptive chuckle at the cloth ears brigade.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who swear there is no difference between a coat hanger and a properly constructed, designed for purpose, optimized, non-monsterbeatswankfad cable.

    Same reason why people use coat hangers to connect to satellite dishes eh? Millions of technicians across the world have fallen for cable company marketing, paying for super expensive coax.

    In the world of hifi, beats is like bose with 10x the marketing and hipster hype. Complete marketing shit like many products in the industry.

    1. Re:Pre-emptive chuckle at the cloth ears brigade.. by quenda · · Score: 1

      Even audio-freq headphones and line-level cables use shielded cable.
      Its only for speakers where wire does not matter - so long as the impedance is low compared to the speaker, hence the coat-hanger theoretical example.
      Of course the comparison in only in sound quality. There are mechanical disadvantages.

    2. Re:Pre-emptive chuckle at the cloth ears brigade.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In many scenarios your approach is fine. However for a high end system, low impedance is just part of the problem delivering clean signal to loudspeakers, especially more so over any reasonable distance. LCR, Skin + Maxwell effects are all important. Remember some of us are driving 100KHz+ signals out of high quality sources, not crushed mp3s. The 20Khz~ limit of human hearing does not mean significant tweeter breakup just above this point, will not negatively impact sound under onset in lower ranges.

      Just like people who see tiny differences in screens, GPUs, CPUs, cars, houses and paint tints - the same exists for sound. But there are so many factors to it that it seems like a snake oil scam to the uninformed. Tell that to the professionals who set up sound systems in a particular way, for a reason - there is method to the madness.

  41. Apple Bleats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bleats for iSheep

  42. What are the demographics like? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know much about Beats, but I'll guess most buyers of Beats are NOT buyers of Apple products.

    1. Re:What are the demographics like? by P-niiice · · Score: 1

      You'd probably be wrong.

  43. Re:Beats? BEATS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have linux and windoze and some other version of unix on machines I use daily. I do not see the point of your argument other than that old wet geek dream of linux on everybdesktop. Neithercdesktopsvare all computers thesecdays nor we need ine os to prevail in all application fields.

  44. Still... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    While Dre is taking his time to perfect the beat... ... I still got a love for my Sennheisers.

  45. As per the agreement with Apple Corps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple should have to change their name since they're now in the music business.

  46. Was Beats Overpowered? by Davidlogann2 · · Score: 1

    It was imperative that apple was going to get beats ever since they laid their eyes on them. But one thing that bothers me is that how come the deal made up to $3billion? was Beats was really worth that much or Apple just paid them way more just to get their hands on it?

  47. Buying a streaming contract? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

    Remember, Apple bought Soundjam and released iTunes something like 6 months later.

    Buying something that already exists is much faster than rolling your own, even if you COULD roll your own. It's probably worth Apple's time not just for licencing reasons but for software reasons as well.

    I'm predicting that iTunes will be phased out over the next couple of years in favour of the Beats software. Everyone agrees at this point that iTunes has sort of run its course, and this will give Apple something to transition to. This will unify all of Apple's music service, and Apple can merge the App Store stuff together on the Mac and release a stand-alone iDevice app store for windows.

    This is wild speculation on my part, I admit, but it makes so many things so much easier.

    The headphones business is just a nice way to make sure the company is paying for itself right away. This is an acquisition that won't lose Apple any money over the short term, and will make their long-term prospects in the space a lot better.

  48. Re:quality of their audio gear by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

    I think the mass consumerism angle is a good point and the main reason why we now have all these high-quality alternatives to the iPhone. Only three years ago, everything android sucked in comparison. I say this as a big fan of over-ear Sennheiser headphones (I have a nice inexpensive set of HD 202 right here at work).

  49. music tech has been treading water for a decade by alternapop · · Score: 1

    I think both Apple and Beats realize that Beats Music in its current iteration is not as successful as they want it to be. Last night's interview for Code Conference seemed to indicate this. Perhaps they think they'll likely be more successful if they work together on a new version. I for one don't think they'll hit a home run. I don't know that they have a vision of something that much different than the current iteration of music apps & services. More thoughts on that here: http://www.alternapop.com/2014...

  50. Re:salts they put back in by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

    Heh. I once drank some pure RO water that I bought for my salt water aquarium just to see what it would be like. The water had no flavor at all. If anything, you just sort of noticed that your tongue was wet. Also note that drinking too much pure water is dangerous as it will leach minerals right out of your body.

  51. Re:At last Dre has enough money to go back to scho by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

    I was just at Costco and saw some "Beats by Dre" headphones for $200. It seems he has dropped the Dr. part of his name.

  52. The only thing that needs to be said by chstwnd · · Score: 1

    AAPL: strong sell

  53. Re:Dumb motherfucks! by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    Go submit it on SoylentNews if you think Slashdot is censoring things.

  54. How to transfer corp money assets to own pocket! by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

    Here is my conjecture on how to get rich at the expense of the corporation.

    I am a senior executive in a company with a lot of cash. That cash is part of the assets of the corporation. I would like to get my hands on that cash, at least as much of it as I can. What can I do. Of course, I would share any gains with some of the other directors. I could not ask the directors to plain give me a huge chunk of it.

    Well, I find a company to take over, I purchase a large equity portion of that business, and make a deal with the existing shareholders re a takeover bid.

    I then bid for that company, offering top dollar. I put pressure for the deal to proceed. The deal goes through, and my corporation has now exchanged cash assets for assets of the company I purchased, a company that may only be worth 50% or less of the actual purchase price.

    As shareholder in the company that is purchased, that receives the cash for the purchase, we arrange that it gets distributed to the shareholders as an extraordinary divident, or as a share buy out. I sell my shares, (distribution of the purchase payment), I put that money in my pocket, and my employer, has, through this manipulation, been emptied of cash, and has received $cash/2 or $cash/3 in value. I of course, make $cash/6 or even $cash/3 via the ownership of the company being taken over.

    Such a sweet deal, don't you think? And it is legal, or is it?

    --
    Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
  55. I don't see how by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I worked in various electronic stores during Xmas (Xmas break job for college) Beats was the most returned item each year. Common complaint was quality for price

  56. a DOH! moment by BlueGMan · · Score: 1

    The Apple deal was announced through Washington Business Journal, stating that "Beats has great profits - their $450.00 headphones only cost $14.00 to make". Yes, I would say they have great branding and marketing. Not sure if Apple wanted those numbers public.

    --
    "The world is moving so fast these days that the man who says it can't be done is generally interrupted by someone doing
  57. $2.6 billion in cash by GabrielleeMaria · · Score: 1

    Apple will be purchasing both Beats Electronics and Beats Music for a total of $2.6 billion in cash and $400 million in equity, reports The Wall Street Journal.