The premise of civil disobedience is not that you can violate laws, moon the judge, and then declare yourself inncocent and scott-free.
You must accept that there will be reprocussions often quite painful, if not deadly for your actions, fair or unfair, legal or illegal. You expect, though, that your plight will draw the attention of others who agree that the laws are unjust and will put forth the effort to change them.
Of course, once you commit to violating laws, it becomes your obligation to fight for whatever rights that you believe are held in question. But don't expect the establishment to make it easy for you. That's not their job. Their job is to stay in power.
Bad me. I left italics on. Please modify my previous post down. This is what I meant to say.
And one of these moons might, perhaps, be a world with plentiful water that supports macroscopic life.
I've been hearing since I was six, statements similar to "If we were one foot closer to the Sun, we'd fry, and if we were one foot farther, we'd all be iced over"
Does a moon's position in relation to a star not vary _way_ beyond one foot?
And one of these moons might, perhaps, be a world with plentiful water that supports macroscopic life.
I've been hearing since I was six, statements similar to "If we were one foot closer to the Sun, we'd fry, and if we were one foot farther, we'd all be iced over"
Does a moon's position in relation to a star not vary _way_ beyone one foot?
I'm doing research, to sell wearables that are open source, customizeable, cheap, and available before Christmas '99. (this week, to be exact!) Look at the questionnaire and tell me what you think!
Also, five people who participate in this questionnaire, may be chosen (by me) to try my wearable for one month for free.
I'm launching a company based on Wearable computers. Your help will be appreciated.
You can help shape a product that will be designed as Open Source, Easily cusomizeable (sp?), available before Christmas this year, and open to any OS you choose.
I won't lie to you and say that I don't want a profit (we all gotta live), but I WILL make a number of accomodations based on comments from , and discounts available to the slashdot community.
Five people who participate in this questionnaire, may be chosen (by me) to try my wearable for one month for free.
Isn't it somewhat kinda bad to have a kid at 16... especially when the person was doing drugs before and during pregnancy????
Oh, no. Absolutely not. When young people are having children, they are only "expressing their sexuality" and "giving love to each other" in ways that they have never fely before. They aren't hurting anything at all. They are creating something beautiful.
And she wasn't taking drugs. She was experimenting with altered states of reality. It is grossly unfortunate what has happened to her. The system let her down. Its white middle-class males that run the entire world who are at fault for every single insignificant problem. Didn't you know that? Obviously you are not politically correct in your way of thinking. You need to be clensed. I've notified Minilove, and they're coming to help you.
"What has been done to you is wrong. What is being done to you is wrong. It is wrong for anyone to hit you. It is wrong for you to have to live in fear of physical violence. It is wrong for you to feel hatred for yourself, and it is wrong for people to try to make you hate yourself. You are not crazy for being in pain. You do not deserve to be treated like this." _______________________________
Would you want to punish a company that's supporting Linux? It seems that you are raising a lesser evil over a greater good- a tiny violation of your privacy, which I can certainly live with, over id's support of Linux gaming, which I view as a tremendous good.
...so as long as they're on YOUR side, they can use whatever illegal means necessary to maintain their market position?
Let me say first off that I don't like the idea of being monitored in any sense, but my new business venture (partially detailed here is based on the premise that sooner or later, EVERYONE will feel the need, or at least desire, to be online 50-100% of the time.
I don't particularly look forward to a borg-like existance, but as we evolve from PDA users to Beowulf-clustering computer wearers, towards computer-neural interfaces, where do we stop being individuals in a society and become nodes in a cluster? Where does individuality end? _______________________________
But the rest of us want the WWW, the Internet, etc. without being nickled and dimed every time we want to check the sport scores. _______________________________
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How else do you learn to work with computers, except to "Dive in"? I was broken into the tech support field by an ISP who did a mass hiring, broke a few newbies (like me) in, and let the rest fall away.
I HAD been on AOL, and Prodigy before I learned about "the real internet", but I had no clue before I went to work for ISP X. I had 2 days training, went hime the next seven days balling because I realized how very, very little I knew, and returned to dive in again.
I'm still in awe of how very, very little I know as compaired to some of the others on/. and other places.
I stopped trying to get mentor techs to show me every little detail. And I looked for my own damn self. But eventually I learned to dive into the deep end. It taked much longer to hit bottom that way, if you catch my drift:) _______________________________
Actually Paul taught that the Ten Commandments, although important, could be easily summed up in a new commandment, from Jesus. " 'Love your neighbour as yourself.' If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will destroy each other. " (GAL 5:15)
Stoning and burning sinners was common in the Old Testament, but the "theme", of the New testament is forgiveness for those who believe in Jesus Christ. -even for someone as sick and twisted as me.
Love the sinner. Realise you sin as well. Hate the sin. Help sinners repent, or lose their soul. Repent yourself, or lose your own. ________________________________________________ ___ _______________________________
When people buy cars in Texas (not sure about other states), then according to law, (IANAL) they MUST purchase comprehensive coverage until the car is paid off.
This protects the bank from repossessing a car that has been destroyed. (by neglect or third party) _______________________________
Dear NBC, Mc Donalds, Trident, Burger King, Volvo, Mars, Revlon, Sprint, and Halls:
On Sunday, November 21,1999, the National Broadcasting Company showed a disturbing lack of responsibility by airing the TV Movie, "Y2K". This broadcast was clearly not purposed to educate, but to unnecessarily fill the average viewer with fear, uncertainty, and doubt. This motive was made plain by sequences in the movie where actors repeated phrases like "We've been preparing for two years, and we're only 85% compliant."
The broadcast prophesied a doomstay scenario including bank runs, cash freezes, power outages, abuse of military power, and a nuclear meltdown that would contaminate the entire nation. This was filled with more misinformation than Orson Welles' infamous War of the Worlds broadcast, yet, only Mr. Wells chose to disclaim his program.
Broadcasts like these serve no one. As a computer professional, I am not afaid of my computer failing as the new year dawns. I am not afraid of my bank, my power plant, or my telephone comany failing because of the conversion. I am afraid, though, of the millions of people who will short stocks, stock ammunition, and riot because of the fear incited by flagrant intimidation attempts like yours.
I challenge the executives of NBC and their sponsors to publish, and defend, their stock trading history for the six months proceeding, and the time pursuant this broadcast. It will be interesting to study how heavily stock was traded by the executives of NBC and its sponsors prior to, what appears to be, a deliberate attempt to intimidate the public.
I will aviod NBC programming in the near future. Further, I refuse to patronize the sponsors of this broadcast. Throughout the remainder of 1999, and the years 2000-2001, I will not purchase goods or services bearing logos from the following companies:
Mc Donalds, Burger King, Trident, Volvo, Halls, Mars, Halls, Revlon, and Sprint.
The First Amendment assures the right to free speach, however tat right does not extend to falsely yelling "fire" when there is none. I Defend your right to say any crazy thing you like, however, I do not appreciate your catalytic broadcast of fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
Has anybody decided that buildings are not Y2K-compliant and that they will crash down? Who knows...
..No. Haven't they told you?
All matter is composed of Atoms. Every Atom (in the Relevant Market) has a K-shell. Since the K-shell can only hold two Electrons, the K-shell cannot possibly represent a four-digit year correctly.
Therefore, ALL Atoms (excluding Hydrogen and some Helium ions) are Y2K "NOT OK!"
THEREFORE, ALL ATOMS will crash, as the power necessary to keep elctrons in their orbit will fail, and they are driven towards their protons, resulting in millions of simultaneous atomic reactions that will reduce Earth to plasma by 01/01/00 00:00:00.00000012GMT
Mixing politics into the criminal code is a bad idea.
I disagree. Laws are passed by lawmakers. In the USA, lawmakers are elected officials. My right to vote for a politician based on the premise that s|he shares my ideals and beliefs is one of the founding ideas of this country. I have every reason to expect* that my elected politician will vote in a way that represents my beliefs.
Of course the flaws of a representative democracy are blatantly obvious. Politicians lie to get votes. However, I have (slightly) more faith in our system than one based on the birthright of Monarchs, or the brute force of dictators and despots.
*(well - known jokes and epithets about lying politicians aside) _______________________________
"There are no winners," he said. "Consumers will win when an industrywide instant messaging standard is in place that ensures all users the ability to message with others regardless of which service they're using." -Yusuf Mehdi, director of marketing for Microsoft's Consumer and Commerce Group
I just love it when Microsoft talks about open standards. It just gives me that warm, embraced, cuddly, mushy, smothered feeling. _______________________________
Paragraph 6. "Gore's visit to Microsoft's suburban Seattle corporate campus was scheduled months ago but became politically sensitive following a federal judge's ruling November 5 in the government antitrust suit against the company."
Scheduled months ago. It is unlikely that either Gore, Bush, or Gates knew that this was "bad timing"
What are the real chances that any of the following will happen, as has been speculated:
1 Breakup of Microsoft
2 Escalation of appeals directly to the Supreme Court
__ Is it possible for Microsoft to stipulate in the settlement that "all independent civil lawsuits", from private citizens / corporations be null and void?
If Microsoft IS broken up, how far can / will the Government go towards preventing a reassimilation of the Baby Bills?
Is there any legal way to force Bill Gates, or others, into retirement?
Might there be independent civil or criminal lawsuits for the individuals responsible for the more flagrant violations?
Slashdot Mirror
The premise of civil disobedience is not that you can violate laws, moon the judge, and then declare yourself inncocent and scott-free.
You must accept that there will be reprocussions often quite painful, if not deadly for your actions, fair or unfair, legal or illegal. You expect, though, that your plight will draw the attention of others who agree that the laws are unjust and will put forth the effort to change them.
Of course, once you commit to violating laws, it becomes your obligation to fight for whatever rights that you believe are held in question. But don't expect the establishment to make it easy for you. That's not their job. Their job is to stay in power.
_______________________________
Bad me. I left italics on. Please modify my previous post down. This is what I meant to say.
And one of these moons might, perhaps, be a world with plentiful water that supports macroscopic life.
I've been hearing since I was six, statements similar to "If we were one foot closer to the Sun, we'd fry, and if we were one foot farther, we'd all be iced over"
Does a moon's position in relation to a star not vary _way_ beyond one foot?
_______________________________
And one of these moons might, perhaps, be a world with plentiful water that supports macroscopic life.
I've been hearing since I was six, statements similar to "If we were one foot closer to the Sun, we'd fry, and if we were one foot farther, we'd all be iced over"
Does a moon's position in relation to a star not vary _way_ beyone one foot?
_______________________________
I have one for you that has:
Tell me what else you need here
See my first offerings on Ebay and GO auctions.
I'm doing research, to sell wearables that are open source, customizeable, cheap, and available before Christmas '99. (this week, to be exact!) Look at the questionnaire and tell me what you think!
Also, five people who participate in this questionnaire, may be chosen (by me) to try my wearable for one month for free.
_______________________________
I'm launching a company based on Wearable computers. Your help will be appreciated.
You can help shape a product that will be designed as Open Source, Easily cusomizeable (sp?), available before Christmas this year, and open to any OS you choose.
I won't lie to you and say that I don't want a profit (we all gotta live), but I WILL make a number of accomodations based on comments from , and discounts available to the slashdot community.
Five people who participate in this questionnaire, may be chosen (by me) to try my wearable for one month for free.
Questionnaire
_______________________________
Isn't it somewhat kinda bad to have a kid at 16... especially when the person was doing drugs before and during pregnancy????
Oh, no. Absolutely not. When young people are having children, they are only "expressing their sexuality" and "giving love to each other" in ways that they have never fely before. They aren't hurting anything at all. They are creating something beautiful.
And she wasn't taking drugs. She was experimenting with altered states of reality. It is grossly unfortunate what has happened to her. The system let her down. Its white middle-class males that run the entire world who are at fault for every single insignificant problem. Didn't you know that? Obviously you are not politically correct in your way of thinking. You need to be clensed. I've notified Minilove, and they're coming to help you.
_______________________________
Somebody mark this up.
"What has been done to you is wrong. What is being done to you is wrong. It is wrong for anyone to hit you. It is wrong for you to have to live in fear of physical violence. It is wrong for you to feel hatred for yourself, and it is wrong for people to try to make you hate yourself. You are not crazy for being in pain. You do not deserve to be treated like this."
_______________________________
Would you want to punish a company that's supporting Linux? It seems that you are raising a lesser evil over a greater good- a tiny violation of your privacy, which I can certainly live with, over id's support of Linux gaming, which I view as a tremendous good.
...so as long as they're on YOUR side, they can use whatever illegal means necessary to maintain their market position?
_______________________________
Let me say first off that I don't like the idea of being monitored in any sense, but my new business venture (partially detailed here is based on the premise that sooner or later, EVERYONE will feel the need, or at least desire, to be online 50-100% of the time.
I don't particularly look forward to a borg-like existance, but as we evolve from PDA users to Beowulf-clustering computer wearers, towards computer-neural interfaces, where do we stop being individuals in a society and become nodes in a cluster? Where does individuality end?
_______________________________
Yes, a la MSN, AOL and Prodigy.
But the rest of us want the WWW, the Internet, etc. without being nickled and dimed every time we want to check the sport scores.
_______________________________
How else do you learn to work with computers, except to "Dive in"? I was broken into the tech support field by an ISP who did a mass hiring, broke a few newbies (like me) in, and let the rest fall away.
/. and other places.
:)
I HAD been on AOL, and Prodigy before I learned about "the real internet", but I had no clue before I went to work for ISP X. I had 2 days training, went hime the next seven days balling because I realized how very, very little I knew, and returned to dive in again.
I'm still in awe of how very, very little I know as compaired to some of the others on
I stopped trying to get mentor techs to show me every little detail. And I looked for my own damn self. But eventually I learned to dive into the deep end. It taked much longer to hit bottom that way, if you catch my drift
_______________________________
Actually Paul taught that the Ten Commandments, although important, could be easily summed up in a new commandment, from Jesus. " 'Love your neighbour as yourself.' If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will destroy each other. " (GAL 5:15)
_ ___
Stoning and burning sinners was common in the Old Testament, but the "theme", of the New testament is forgiveness for those who believe in Jesus Christ. -even for someone as sick and twisted as me.
Love the sinner. Realise you sin as well. Hate the sin. Help sinners repent, or lose their soul. Repent yourself, or lose your own.
_______________________________________________
_______________________________
I see no reason to hide my faith.
The lord is my light and my salvation. If I hide my shield with my body, what is protected, my body, or my shield?
I won't comment on the particular case you mentioned, although it is unfortunate. It's not my place to judge them. I don't know all of the facts.
I'll take death in the name of God, if He wills it, over denying my faith without question.
_________________________________________
_______________________________
Presumptions:
1 Omega = 1 OR Omega > 1
2 God exists
Conclusion:
I'm hungry. And I need to go to church tomorrow.
_______________________________
Like Standard Oil? Like Microsoft?
_______________________________
When people buy cars in Texas (not sure about other states), then according to law, (IANAL) they MUST purchase comprehensive coverage until the car is paid off.
This protects the bank from repossessing a car that has been destroyed. (by neglect or third party)
_______________________________
someone moderate this up!
_______________________________
Dear NBC, Mc Donalds, Trident, Burger King, Volvo, Mars, Revlon, Sprint, and Halls:
On Sunday, November 21,1999, the National Broadcasting Company showed a disturbing lack of responsibility by airing the TV Movie, "Y2K". This broadcast was clearly not purposed to educate, but to unnecessarily fill the average viewer with fear, uncertainty, and doubt. This motive was made plain by sequences in the movie where actors repeated phrases like "We've been preparing for two years, and we're only 85% compliant."
The broadcast prophesied a doomstay scenario including bank runs, cash freezes, power outages, abuse of military power, and a nuclear meltdown that would contaminate the entire nation. This was filled with more misinformation than Orson Welles' infamous War of the Worlds broadcast, yet, only Mr. Wells chose to disclaim his program.
Broadcasts like these serve no one. As a computer professional, I am not afaid of my computer failing as the new year dawns. I am not afraid of my bank, my power plant, or my telephone comany failing because of the conversion. I am afraid, though, of the millions of people who will short stocks, stock ammunition, and riot because of the fear incited by flagrant intimidation attempts like yours.
I challenge the executives of NBC and their sponsors to publish, and defend, their stock trading history for the six months proceeding, and the time pursuant this broadcast. It will be interesting to study how heavily stock was traded by the executives of NBC and its sponsors prior to, what appears to be, a deliberate attempt to intimidate the public.
I will aviod NBC programming in the near future. Further, I refuse to patronize the sponsors of this broadcast. Throughout the remainder of 1999, and the years 2000-2001, I will not purchase goods or services bearing logos from the following companies:
Mc Donalds, Burger King, Trident, Volvo, Halls, Mars, Halls, Revlon, and Sprint.
The First Amendment assures the right to free speach, however tat right does not extend to falsely yelling "fire" when there is none. I Defend your right to say any crazy thing you like, however, I do not appreciate your catalytic broadcast of fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
Sincerely,
Christopher Wallace
_______________________________
Has anybody decided that buildings are not Y2K-compliant and that they will crash down? Who knows...
..No. Haven't they told you?
All matter is composed of Atoms. Every Atom (in the Relevant Market) has a K-shell. Since the K-shell can only hold two Electrons, the K-shell cannot possibly represent a four-digit year correctly.
Therefore, ALL Atoms (excluding Hydrogen and some Helium ions) are Y2K "NOT OK!"
THEREFORE, ALL ATOMS will crash, as the power necessary to keep elctrons in their orbit will fail, and they are driven towards their protons, resulting in millions of simultaneous atomic reactions that will reduce Earth to plasma by 01/01/00 00:00:00.00000012GMT
_______________________________
Mixing politics into the criminal code is a bad idea.
I disagree. Laws are passed by lawmakers. In the USA, lawmakers are elected officials. My right to vote for a politician based on the premise that s|he shares my ideals and beliefs is one of the founding ideas of this country. I have every reason to expect* that my elected politician will vote in a way that represents my beliefs.
Of course the flaws of a representative democracy are blatantly obvious. Politicians lie to get votes. However, I have (slightly) more faith in our system than one based on the birthright of Monarchs, or the brute force of dictators and despots.
*(well - known jokes and epithets about lying politicians aside)
_______________________________
"There are no winners," he said. "Consumers will win when an industrywide instant messaging standard is in place that ensures all users the ability to message with others regardless of which service they're using."
-Yusuf Mehdi, director of marketing for Microsoft's Consumer and Commerce Group
I just love it when Microsoft talks about open standards. It just gives me that warm, embraced, cuddly, mushy, smothered feeling.
_______________________________
Kelvin Cline ads anyone?
...OUCH!
Is that me slashdotting you or you slashdotting me?
If You were a user and I were a geek, would you still LART me?
Calvin Klein.....Technology
_______________________________
Actually, I just downloaded it.
CNet linked me to www. capital.net
[No name] (CAPIT4-HST)
CAPITAL.NET 204.97.168.17
CapitalNET Ltd
(CAPITAL3-DOM) CAPITAL.NET
_______________________________
The timing was wrong
m l?tag=st.ne.1003.thed.1003-200-1441827
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-1441827.ht
Paragraph 6.
"Gore's visit to Microsoft's suburban Seattle corporate campus was scheduled months ago but became politically sensitive following a federal judge's ruling November 5 in the government antitrust suit against the company."
Scheduled months ago. It is unlikely that either Gore, Bush, or Gates knew that this was "bad timing"
_______________________________
What are the real chances that any of the following will happen, as has been speculated:
1 Breakup of Microsoft
2 Escalation of appeals directly to the Supreme Court
__
Is it possible for Microsoft to stipulate in the settlement that "all independent civil lawsuits", from private citizens / corporations be null and void?
If Microsoft IS broken up, how far can / will the Government go towards preventing a reassimilation of the Baby Bills?
Is there any legal way to force Bill Gates, or others, into retirement?
Might there be independent civil or criminal lawsuits for the individuals responsible for the more flagrant violations?
_______________________________