Let me clarify. I meant the GP believing these are children is what lead to some of this coddling. They are adults, treat them as such. Any parent who calls a professor should simply be told that they cannot discuss the students grades or performance for reasons of privacy.
What if the student does not engage at all, but aces the tests? Or what if he spends the most time reading it but fails all the tests? In neither of those cases does this metric offer any insight.
The biggest failing in secondary education is the lack of failing. This does not address that. The second is the replacement of actual teachers knowing and analyzing their students with pointless metrics, like this one.
Because it is hard to judge how well a student knows the answer if he just took a multiple-choice-guess test. By requiring full verbosity all the time you get a better insight into what the student knows.
Knowing why he missed a question can be as important as which question he missed assuming you want to use that information to improve the class.
If I was a student and you shared my information with my parents I would be going to the dean. These are adults. You should inform the parents that you cannot discuss another adults private information with them. Tell them to ask their child if they want that information.
Have you considered mentioning this to the students? Hell, make a big production of checking if they should be in the class and then announce to everyone that Jimmy got a 45% on the CLEP(whatever that is) and therefore it looks like he badly need this class.
Everyone wants to do the bare minimum to get the job done. I was not that far beyond the rest of my class, lots of my peers did not have to read the course texts.
Why would I want to waste my time on being challenged by something that was a gened credit?
Why would parents hold an adult accountable? Does your Mommy make sure you go to work everyday? This attitude that these are children to be coddled is not helping.
Why are you not failing these folks? If a student could test out and get the credit hours, you and your 2 students who don't need it would be much happier.
It did at my university. We had a professor cut each student a check when it happened. She should have provided the books for free if she wrote them. This rule was designed to stop that.
I don't think social punishment is an Aspergers thing. Pretty much all societies have some form of it, from the stocks to making people carry placards announcing what they did wrong.
In the real world we care about results not effort. If you have to reduce your department head count by one and your have to to select from the lazy guy who gets all his work or a hard worker bee who never completes his assigned takes, lazy will still be collecting a paycheck while the hard worker will be on unemployment.
Results are what matter, teaching kids any different is a disservice to them and the society they join.
Any professor not failing Johnny Baseballhat is doing all its students and former students a disservice. Every time that kind of student gets a diploma all the other diplomas from that institution are cheapened.
First, Conflict of interest. No prof should be making money using his own books in his own class.
Second, maybe the students are just idiots.
Third, I disagree.
My favorite and probably best prof, honestly did not care about students who did not care about his class. He failed 75% of the people who took one class with me. He put the goals on the board, handed out readings and answered questions. If you did not ask questions of him during class or office hours odds are you failed. If you showed up to the lab without your work completed and ready to be tested, odds are you failed. He openly mocked students who failed to live up to his expectations. This was a 500 level class, so there was no reason for anyone unprepared to be there.
Life is full of stress, poor sleep and bad diet. Tests are better because of those things, not worse.
I agree a teacher doing a one on one evaluation would be even better, but if we spent money on that schools could not have such elaborate sports programs.
I will put even money on it that some will use it to drop students a letter grade or make reading the book X% of the class grade. This sort of thing is much easier than actually doing their jobs.
In mine a test out was free, but it only got you a Pass for the class with 0 credit hours. So if you need 10 Chem credit hours, why test out only to have to still take 10 hours in a now harder class?
Some of these were entry level physics which the textbook and high school more than covered and CS classes. If a science textbook needs explanation then textbook is poorly written.
I would posit that in every 101 level class the prof was just an exam proctor. They were all highschool over again.
Some professors do care if pages are read, or will once they realize that this is an easy metric to gather.
I once got a 3.0 in a class instead of a 4.0 even though I scored a 97% on the Final, a 96% on the tests and a 98% on Labs. I never attended any class meeting other than examinations. For that my grade was docked by a moron who surely would use this pages read metric as another way to be a petty dictator. He could not write a simple sort on the board without consulting his notes, but somehow I was supposed to waste my time in his class.
I don't think knowing the material before is that outlandish, nor is downloading a simple tool to crack an ebook. We did that when I was in university and that was pretty much the beginning of that sort of thing. These were generally PDFs that would only open in some DRMed client.
The problem with allowing the "A for effort" in elementary education is that this then breeds an expectation in the student and the whole system.
If you cannot read by end of First grade, you should be repeating. Instead today we "A for effort" until 6th grade and then maybe a higher level teacher does more than promote them to get rid of them. The end result is people graduating high school that can't read at a functional level.
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Do you think a series like Babylon 5 could be made today? Could you please get right on that?
No, this is just an empty threat because they did not get their way. You see this behavior a lot in toddlers and people of that level of development.
Please?
That spectrum can then be taken back by the FCC, right?
Why not just abolish indecency standards?
I don't see any utility in them. If you find the program indecent, turn it off.
Sounds like they could buy that information from Aereo.
Because both serve a purpose.
Jimmy could also be told that during office hours, or just a general statement that the only people here failed that test.
Let me clarify. I meant the GP believing these are children is what lead to some of this coddling. They are adults, treat them as such. Any parent who calls a professor should simply be told that they cannot discuss the students grades or performance for reasons of privacy.
What if the student does not engage at all, but aces the tests? Or what if he spends the most time reading it but fails all the tests?
In neither of those cases does this metric offer any insight.
The biggest failing in secondary education is the lack of failing. This does not address that. The second is the replacement of actual teachers knowing and analyzing their students with pointless metrics, like this one.
Because it is hard to judge how well a student knows the answer if he just took a multiple-choice-guess test. By requiring full verbosity all the time you get a better insight into what the student knows.
Knowing why he missed a question can be as important as which question he missed assuming you want to use that information to improve the class.
If I was a student and you shared my information with my parents I would be going to the dean. These are adults. You should inform the parents that you cannot discuss another adults private information with them. Tell them to ask their child if they want that information.
Have you considered mentioning this to the students? Hell, make a big production of checking if they should be in the class and then announce to everyone that Jimmy got a 45% on the CLEP(whatever that is) and therefore it looks like he badly need this class.
In a subject outside my major, lower my GPA and add hours of work when I already had labs taking up so much time?
I applaud anyone who would go for that, I was not willing to risk graduation when I was already in so much debt.
I have no need to impress you.
Everyone wants to do the bare minimum to get the job done. I was not that far beyond the rest of my class, lots of my peers did not have to read the course texts.
Why would I want to waste my time on being challenged by something that was a gened credit?
Why would parents hold an adult accountable?
Does your Mommy make sure you go to work everyday?
This attitude that these are children to be coddled is not helping.
Why are you not failing these folks?
If a student could test out and get the credit hours, you and your 2 students who don't need it would be much happier.
It did at my university. We had a professor cut each student a check when it happened. She should have provided the books for free if she wrote them. This rule was designed to stop that.
I don't think social punishment is an Aspergers thing. Pretty much all societies have some form of it, from the stocks to making people carry placards announcing what they did wrong.
My problem is why does effort matter?
In the real world we care about results not effort. If you have to reduce your department head count by one and your have to to select from the lazy guy who gets all his work or a hard worker bee who never completes his assigned takes, lazy will still be collecting a paycheck while the hard worker will be on unemployment.
Results are what matter, teaching kids any different is a disservice to them and the society they join.
Get a job at a private university.
Any professor not failing Johnny Baseballhat is doing all its students and former students a disservice. Every time that kind of student gets a diploma all the other diplomas from that institution are cheapened.
First, Conflict of interest. No prof should be making money using his own books in his own class.
Second, maybe the students are just idiots.
Third, I disagree.
My favorite and probably best prof, honestly did not care about students who did not care about his class. He failed 75% of the people who took one class with me. He put the goals on the board, handed out readings and answered questions. If you did not ask questions of him during class or office hours odds are you failed. If you showed up to the lab without your work completed and ready to be tested, odds are you failed. He openly mocked students who failed to live up to his expectations. This was a 500 level class, so there was no reason for anyone unprepared to be there.
Life is full of stress, poor sleep and bad diet.
Tests are better because of those things, not worse.
I agree a teacher doing a one on one evaluation would be even better, but if we spent money on that schools could not have such elaborate sports programs.
4 was the maximum possible grade.
4=A
3=B
2=C
1=D
0=F
I will put even money on it that some will use it to drop students a letter grade or make reading the book X% of the class grade. This sort of thing is much easier than actually doing their jobs.
In mine a test out was free, but it only got you a Pass for the class with 0 credit hours. So if you need 10 Chem credit hours, why test out only to have to still take 10 hours in a now harder class?
I graduated a long time ago.
Some of these were entry level physics which the textbook and high school more than covered and CS classes. If a science textbook needs explanation then textbook is poorly written.
I would posit that in every 101 level class the prof was just an exam proctor. They were all highschool over again.
Some professors do care if pages are read, or will once they realize that this is an easy metric to gather.
I once got a 3.0 in a class instead of a 4.0 even though I scored a 97% on the Final, a 96% on the tests and a 98% on Labs. I never attended any class meeting other than examinations. For that my grade was docked by a moron who surely would use this pages read metric as another way to be a petty dictator. He could not write a simple sort on the board without consulting his notes, but somehow I was supposed to waste my time in his class.
I don't think knowing the material before is that outlandish, nor is downloading a simple tool to crack an ebook. We did that when I was in university and that was pretty much the beginning of that sort of thing. These were generally PDFs that would only open in some DRMed client.
The problem with allowing the "A for effort" in elementary education is that this then breeds an expectation in the student and the whole system.
If you cannot read by end of First grade, you should be repeating. Instead today we "A for effort" until 6th grade and then maybe a higher level teacher does more than promote them to get rid of them. The end result is people graduating high school that can't read at a functional level.
Those are difficult to write well, harder to grade well and it is extremely difficult to present that data to others.
Pages read on the other hand is easier in all aspects.