I don't care about how fast GNOME 'really' is, but on my machine (which is a pretty damn good box), QT/KDE apps feel much more responsive and load faster then similar GTK2/GNOME applications.
Ofcourse, GTK1 does beat both QT and GTK2, but it sucks as far as usability.
Amazing, I never thought I would actually agree with Eugenia about something...
What is her problem? They go and actually HIDE SOME OF THE PREFERENCES FOR NEWBIES, and she still bitches about it being too 'confusing'! Can't she just understand that:
a) Many of the preferences are hidden for newbies, so too 'confusing' isn't a problem. Unless they decide they WANT to see all the preferences and tell it to show them
b) The rest of us like to have contorl of our systems, and think that Control Center is perfectly OK, because although there are many preferences, for the most part they are organised very nicely.
Solaris 9 is not very impressive when you put it next to FreeBSD or a good commercial GNU/Linux distribution like Mandrake, RedHat, SuSE, or one of the better community distros like Debian or Fedora.
Have only ONE GUI. No KDE vs Gnome, just standardize on one, but keep compatibllity libraries for leagacy gtk apps until they are replaced by modern QT apps
Good luck. First of all, QT and GTK have made some several different, and uncompatable, design decisions. Second, people will always keep both alive. They are GPLed, they cannot die. If you try to force people to pick one that they don't like, they are gonna say "F*** you, I'm gonna do what I want to." And there is nothing that you can do. That is a very important [art of OSS - everyone can do what they WANT, not what others want.
The command line must be disabled by default, and the only way to get it is to install an unspported rpm, with a huge disclaimer in bold red text saying explicitly that they can destroy their system, and the user must sign a disclaimer and have to enter in a 50 character activation code to confirm that they want to use such dangerous software.
Why? You cannot destroy your system unless you are logged in as root, and newbies are warned not to do that. It's even harder now that most distros are aliasing rm to rm -i. Why should it be unsupported? I was a Linux newbie once, and if the command line had been hidden so much, I probably would STILL be a Linux newbie. Newbies don't use the command line because they cannot figure out how to use it. There is no need to get in the way of those who do know (or want to learn). And, once again, if you try to force it to be such a pain, people are going to say, "F*** you." They will support it themselves, they will make non-pain in the ass RPM, etc.
Up to date software in the STABLE distribution, with contiuous upgrades for FREE. Release a core distribution every year, with service packs throughout the year. For example UserLinux 2004, UserLinux 2005 SP3.
All the newest software AND stable? Asking a but much, aren't you. Most distros are at a pretty good balance between the two. And who is goning to pay for all the bandwidth for these updates?
One of each app, no more. One text editor, mp3 player, video player, image viewer, office suite, email client, image minupulation program.
Uh, fuck you. You can take XMMS, gvim, Mplayer, GIMP, OpenOffice, Mozilla Firebird, And Mozilla Thunderbitd out of my cold dead hands. You aren't goning to stop me from helping with these, and encourageing others to use them.
Must come with comprehensive documentation, with interface reviews, proofreading and all. With the option to have PRINTED manuals, access to a moderated user forum (read: RTFM response not allowed)
Already done. See: SuSE, Mandrake.
Must come with support to migrate from leagcy Windows Apps, with wine, and a guide to equivlents for various applications from windows. EG Konqueror instead of IE, Evoloution instead of Outlook, OpenOffice instead of Microsoft Office
Already done. See: SuSE, Mandrake.
Most importantly, ALL options MUST be configurable from the gui. If just one thing, no matter how advanced, or geeky, has to be done from the command line or a text file, THEN YOU HAVE FAILED.
Uh, weren't you just bitching about how dangerous CLIs were? This would be about the most dangerous thing you can do. There are some preferences that you have no business editing unless you have enough skill to open up a text editor, and know EXACTLY what you are doing.
On top of that, doing so would create a extremely cluttered prefernces panel.
Maybe because Linux security updates don't sometimes break things like Windows ones do. Yes, M$ patches DO break things, and it's because M$ just had integreate certain pieces of software (*cough*IE*cough*) into other places where it shouldn't be.
I know I risk being downmodded, but I just had to say this. I get flamed for being a so-called "Microsoft shill" constantly for pointing out the obvious--operating systems are as secure as their admins/makers. It's not a religion, folks. Here is a buffer overflow exploit embedded right in the kernel.
Woah, did you think of that all by yourself? Thank you for that WONDERFUL revelation that software is only as secore as the people who write it.
It'd be nice if the community showed a little humility, but, of course, next week this story will be forgotten and drowned out by repeat dupes of some "Microsoft hole" that is really an executable attachment ran by Outlook users or something.
Maybe if M$ didn't make their software insecure by design people wouldn't bash them for insecure softeare.
Nothing ever changes, but at least it's good to know the developer community around Linux knows their software is not perfect and constantly strives to make it better.
WOW! Another wonderfully OBVIOUS comment! No shit, Sherlock. No piece of software is perfect, and all OSS people strive to make their software better.
Maybe you wouldn't be called a M$ shill if you weren't one.
Because Linux properly implemented file permissions, there is no need for any "deep freeze" like shit^H^H^H^H software.
Since the public user doesn't have permissions to write anything other then his home directory, to clear everything he/she can do, just go into a console, and enter:
su <enter root password> cd/home/<public user name> rm -rf * exit
And your system is back to what was at the beginning of the day!
The other side uses nothing but highly modified data that has been restructured to suit their purposes, to "prove" their points. That's when they even bother to present any data at all. Most of the time they stick to straw-man emotional arguments, name-calling and fear propaganda based on... what? Certainly not real data that will hold up to scrutiny.
Bullshit. Pointing out that countries _with_ gun control have higher crime/murder rates is definitely true, unmodified data.
Once I got physical access, I won't bother cracking thet system. I'll just pop out your HD and bring it home. >:]
Unless, of course, I need you to not notice that I did anything... Then I could boot from a CD to KNOPPIX or something. If the BIOS is password protected, then I would have to reset it it (just pop out the battery and wait a few minutes). And now I have once again complete control of your system.
Preventing a local exploit is next to impossible if the person has access to the machine itself. Unless someone else is around, that it.
You seem to misunderstand the meaning of text editor. What you are thinking of is work processor. Now you have different options: Kword, OpenOffice, LaTeX editors come to mind. But the point I made is still true. You post did nowthing to debate my statement, as I somple used text editors as a example.
One high quality application for each task, no more no less.
Get a bunch of people to say the one high quality application of a type, and you would probably get several different answers. For instance: text editors. I say [g]vim. Some say [X]EMACS. Or Kwrite. Or nedit. Or SciTE. Or Gedit. Who is correct?
Answer: all of us. 10 different people have 10 different tastes. Who are you to tell us what taste is "correct"? You defnintion of quality is probably different than mine, and that's fine. You are free to use what you want. But don't expect me to conform to your definition of quality.
AOL isn't leeching. First of all, they are donating $2 million to the Mozilla Foundation. Second, they donated a while shitload of hardware to the Mozilla Foundation. Third, they don't even make the branded version of Mozilla (Netscape) anymore.
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I don't care about how fast GNOME 'really' is, but on my machine (which is a pretty damn good box), QT/KDE apps feel much more responsive and load faster then similar GTK2/GNOME applications.
Ofcourse, GTK1 does beat both QT and GTK2, but it sucks as far as usability.
Amazing, I never thought I would actually agree with Eugenia about something...
What is her problem? They go and actually HIDE SOME OF THE PREFERENCES FOR NEWBIES, and she still bitches about it being too 'confusing'! Can't she just understand that:
a) Many of the preferences are hidden for newbies, so too 'confusing' isn't a problem. Unless they decide they WANT to see all the preferences and tell it to show them
b) The rest of us like to have contorl of our systems, and think that Control Center is perfectly OK, because although there are many preferences, for the most part they are organised very nicely.
I hope no one minds if I go to border just to point and laugh...
I'm using a nightly (20031208), and this version of Firebird does not show the spoofed address in the location bar.
Either the bug was fixed, or your are BSing everybody.
Have you been smoking crack? Linux is a nice name, and it comes with a nice logo. Brand recognition is very important.
Why? You cannot destroy your system unless you are logged in as root, and newbies are warned not to do that. It's even harder now that most distros are aliasing rm to rm -i. Why should it be unsupported? I was a Linux newbie once, and if the command line had been hidden so much, I probably would STILL be a Linux newbie. Newbies don't use the command line because they cannot figure out how to use it. There is no need to get in the way of those who do know (or want to learn). And, once again, if you try to force it to be such a pain, people are going to say, "F*** you." They will support it themselves, they will make non-pain in the ass RPM, etc. All the newest software AND stable? Asking a but much, aren't you. Most distros are at a pretty good balance between the two. And who is goning to pay for all the bandwidth for these updates? Uh, fuck you. You can take XMMS, gvim, Mplayer, GIMP, OpenOffice, Mozilla Firebird, And Mozilla Thunderbitd out of my cold dead hands. You aren't goning to stop me from helping with these, and encourageing others to use them. Already done. See: SuSE, Mandrake. Already done. See: SuSE, Mandrake. Uh, weren't you just bitching about how dangerous CLIs were? This would be about the most dangerous thing you can do. There are some preferences that you have no business editing unless you have enough skill to open up a text editor, and know EXACTLY what you are doing.
On top of that, doing so would create a extremely cluttered prefernces panel.
Linux doesn't quite have full NTFS support, and the FreeBSD/Mach kernel (or whatever it was) has none (AFAIK).
It would be quite hard to write a NTFS driver for OS X.
Maybe because Linux security updates don't sometimes break things like Windows ones do. Yes, M$ patches DO break things, and it's because M$ just had integreate certain pieces of software (*cough*IE*cough*) into other places where it shouldn't be.
Woah, did you think of that all by yourself? Thank you for that WONDERFUL revelation that software is only as secore as the people who write it.
Maybe if M$ didn't make their software insecure by design people wouldn't bash them for insecure softeare.
WOW! Another wonderfully OBVIOUS comment! No shit, Sherlock. No piece of software is perfect, and all OSS people strive to make their software better.
Maybe you wouldn't be called a M$ shill if you weren't one.
Because Linux properly implemented file permissions, there is no need for any "deep freeze" like shit^H^H^H^H software.
/home/<public user name>
Since the public user doesn't have permissions to write anything other then his home directory, to clear everything he/she can do, just go into a console, and enter:
su
<enter root password>
cd
rm -rf *
exit
And your system is back to what was at the beginning of the day!
Once I got physical access, I won't bother cracking thet system. I'll just pop out your HD and bring it home. >:]
Unless, of course, I need you to not notice that I did anything... Then I could boot from a CD to KNOPPIX or something. If the BIOS is password protected, then I would have to reset it it (just pop out the battery and wait a few minutes). And now I have once again complete control of your system.
Preventing a local exploit is next to impossible if the person has access to the machine itself. Unless someone else is around, that it.
Mandrake 9.2
...Among others...
Fedora Core 1
Dedian Unstable
Gentoo
He didn't say that he wasn't going to use GUI apps, just that he didn't need a complex and resource intensive desktop/WM.
Seems quite sensible to me.
You seem to misunderstand the meaning of text editor. What you are thinking of is work processor. Now you have different options: Kword, OpenOffice, LaTeX editors come to mind. But the point I made is still true. You post did nowthing to debate my statement, as I somple used text editors as a example.
Maybe different people have different opintions of "ergonomic sence", and being appealing?
Try this: during installation of your distro of choice, deslect some of the packages. Now you have a bare bones system. Wow, wasn't that hard.
Answer: all of us. 10 different people have 10 different tastes. Who are you to tell us what taste is "correct"? You defnintion of quality is probably different than mine, and that's fine. You are free to use what you want. But don't expect me to conform to your definition of quality.
AOL isn't leeching. First of all, they are donating $2 million to the Mozilla Foundation. Second, they donated a while shitload of hardware to the Mozilla Foundation. Third, they don't even make the branded version of Mozilla (Netscape) anymore.
Ins't that, like, biting the mod that gives you karma?
Simple: DON'T READ THEM. It is quite easy NOT TO READ AN ARTIBLE THAT DOES NOT INTEREST YOU!
Stupid annoying people who must have everyone do it their way piss me off.
Care to help do it? No? Then do us a favor, and shut the fuck up, please.
PS: Go install Windows XP and see how it runs on a three year old machine. There's quite a lot of work to do.
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