1. yeah so a disk dies once every 5 years...or maybe, MAYBE a power supply...and that's with consumer grade equipment. With a small rackmount setup, that dwindles to nothing. you're far more likely to lose connectivity to your remote hosts than you are losing your local hosts to hardware failure.
2. connectivity? uh how else are you going to reach your remote host anyway? you have to calculate those in for your VM as well and the host charges additional bandwidth fees on top of your local ISP connection.
3. most isps don't give a shit if a kid wants to setup a gaming server for a couple of friends. it's technically against the contract, but it's low bandwidth and temporary.
4. The savings you get from "remote hosting" can be very deceptive. This is especially true if you need more than a cut rate software VM can provide, with tons of ram, a fast cpu, and dedicated timing (like a minecraft server).
well what we do now is imprison them/ruin their careers, thus when they get out of jail after 20 years, the only thing left is to become a paid black hat for hire. ex-con murderers have an easier time of it..
gotta love laws written by ivy league lawyers who were ex popular-jocks in highschool.
cry more you bitch.. There are too many wannabe insecure tyrants like yourself in this society who are cheering on the big ones.. It was a harmless prank that deserves a slap on the wrist at best. It doesn't even sound like it was a denial of service, nor was the context of the message believable by any stretch.
Powerpoint is often abused by lazy professors. Technology amplifies the effects of your content, so it's uninspired or just plain broken, it just make it that much more obvious. Powerpoint does not correct bad formulas, syntax, or organization.
You sound like my 4th grade english teacher (circa 1987), who wouldn't accept anything less than perfect penmanship no matter what the content, nor would she accept a typed document. She'd rather bitch about my handwriting and mark down for it while refusing perfectly acceptable, more legible alternatives. You're right, it wouldnt last long. I'd walk right out knowing that you're an officious blowhard who'd rather wring people through his personal gauntlet than see if applicants can operate in a typical environment: ie NOT a sheet of paper. Working for people like you is among the worst forms a passive-aggressive work environment can take.
It's kind of hard to apply passive aggressive politics (like what he experienced) to a hard copy. It's either in the professor's hands or it isn't, and all the middlemen supporting the electronic transport are out of the picture.. The only thing that can happen is that he denies it was handed in and there is no chain of evidence..
we don't. too many people go for those degrees and then have no way of paying off their $100,000 diplomas...unless an individual is very lucky, and then makes millions. however those people now show their talent by age 15 on youtube and bypass college altogether.
ChromeOS is really starting to gain traction now, and it could reinvent the PC the way iOS/Android reinvented the smartphone and tablet.
Yeah just what users who need desktops want: a system where all the software is a remote connection away from failure/locked in upgrade treadmills, and whose functionality can change any time.
If the choice becomes chromeOS or a tablet, I'm done with computing.
Sounds like to me you're just using windows as an 'objective' barometer to measure capability.
1. restart manager? proper business systems only need to be restarted when absolutely necessary.. needing a 'manager' to handle it suggests inferior design, not superior. It's truly amazing what a process microsoft has made out of copying files from an archive to directories on the system drive. 2. group policies? Ever heard of LDAP? I believe microsoft's embrace/extend name for that is called active directory. both are a pain to set up and have problems. 3. volume shadow? LVM works just as well here, along with device mapper, dd and other io tools. Any unix released in the last 15 years kicks the crap out of microsoft in storage volume management. 4. trouble shooting? are you kidding? technet is a pile of verbose nonsense that tries so hard to say as little as possible about your system. it's at best, a faq.
Its capabilities are fine. Don't trim them down just for ideological reasons. If you want some full featured terminal, just write one for the framebuffer. They already exist. If you have a KMS/DRM2 enabled system, it'll be hw accelerated too. Or just run a term in X and be done with it. Leave the system console alone.
keep your python and other bloated, intepreters away from the system level code, thanks. It's bad enough that people insist on using them to script desktop environments now, as if they already weren't slow enough.
I've never seen the character based console crash in linux.. not once in 15+ years. The uvesafb graphic mode consoles for non-x86 and x86_64 are another story, and because they don't initialize until halfway through the kernel's boot, the earliest printk() text is lost. DRM2 hardware accelerated drivers like nouveau seem to catch it all, but I"ll bet users have had more crashes with this than with the VGA character mode console. There's just more code being shoved around and more hardware being monkeyed with per character printed, and that increases failure rate.
User space everything has a price: performance, and it's heavy. It's quite unpopular on windows, yes, for good reason. OSX is dog slow by comparison on the same hardware and maybe this behavior is one reason why. While it's nice having ntfs-3g for reading usb flash drives and the like, it's way too cpu intensive for any sort of performance IO..and yes many of us need to read/write ntfs at speed when needed (say shared external disks). I don't get why it was rewritten for fuse. The old ntfs kernel driver still persists to this day in all its limited glory, so it can't be a patent issue.
Ah, no. Parallelizing the kernel like that is not an easy undertaking. Really, the kernel shouldn't hand off to userspace until all drivers are ready to take input from it. It's possible to make the system APPEAR to boot faster by starting the login prompt dependencies early, but that doesn't mean the systems' fully booted. Modern windows does this too, and, on most systems, I find it frustrating when I login only to have to wait another 30 seconds for everything else to catch up. I prefer to see the login prompt when the system's truly ready to go, and have a quick jump to the desktop. If the login prompt isn't coming up fast enough for you, then clear out the cruft or get faster hardware (or both).
As it turns out, on-demand, post userspace initialization is already possible with kernel modules and udev. For those applications, it works fine (though I'm not wild about udev's configuration files).
Or perhaps you're misinformed about security being the sole factor in play here. It's very important for sure, but not the only issue. Performance and simplicity still matters, even with today's hardware. There are plenty of security issues in all current operating systems, even the ones that like to claim they're secure.
If you are 'that' concerned about security for your application, I recommend you steer clear of general purpose OSs altogether and build a custom solution for your application. If you want an extreme example, use FreeDOS to bootstrap a protected/flat mode runtime, a-la 1995. That way, the only code running is what's needed for your app, and nothing else. It'd be a pain in the ass, for sure, as you'd have to write your own drivers for every single peripheral your highly sensitive application requires, but since such apps are usually for vertical markets anyway, it's doable. Of course, these difficulties are not much different than dealing with a theoretically more secure, yet laggy console that'll likely fail in recovery, embedded work, or some other application where the userland glue falls apart and you're the lucky one who gets to fix it.
..and if you have the hardware required for a quick running, nice looking, highres userspace based console, you might as well run X and the terminal of your choice. Then you'll be able to take advantage of the gpu. Of course, if X isn't running, you'll want a console that works no matter what. I don't mind simple acceleration for character blits, but shoving it out to userspace is foolish. This aspect reeks of ideological rather than technical reasoning to me.
Either way something has to shove those pixels around. In character mode, the VGA card does that (on x86/64 anyway) which is faster than anything else. In vesa/uvesa mode, the CPU does it, which is slow. Having the cpu do it AND having it switch context between user and kernelspace will make it even slower, getting worse as the resolution increases. Even if there's a DRM2 enabled driver running (like nouveau), the kernel based console will still be noticeably faster. The system console wasn't meant to be super flexible and pretty. It's meant to be available at all times, not eat resources, and offer maximum screen space for looking at text with speedy updates.
No, more like it's you who pretends to lack the understanding that newer isn't always better, and that, these days, ideology is doing most of the driving behind 'innovation' rather than technical improvement or capability enhancement. The linux console is already hardware accelerated, and has a non accelerated fallback option, as well as a fast character mode output for those of us using the nvidia blob and don't like wasting half our cpu cycles redrawing the screen during long builds. It also works over serial ports without a bunch of annoying usespace glue, making it great for debugging and embedded systems, and it's proven code. The only thing I think it needs is the ability to retain buffer after a VT switch.
No one said technology shouldn't be used to improve. You are implying that disagreement with this initiative is the same as doing such. Nice fallacy.
and employees aren't slaves.. their out-of-the-office creations should not be owned by employers either. This should be a default, intrinsic right, and not something employees have to battle for. What's far more amazing to me than attempts by schools to do the same to students, is how willing we are to accept this insult in adult affairs while still getting upset when it's applied to children. So it's only ok for children to own the produce of their labor now?
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People like you are just jealous he has some time and resource to have some fun with his life.
1. yeah so a disk dies once every 5 years...or maybe, MAYBE a power supply...and that's with consumer grade equipment. With a small rackmount setup, that dwindles to nothing. you're far more likely to lose connectivity to your remote hosts than you are losing your local hosts to hardware failure.
2. connectivity? uh how else are you going to reach your remote host anyway? you have to calculate those in for your VM as well and the host charges additional bandwidth fees on top of your local ISP connection.
3. most isps don't give a shit if a kid wants to setup a gaming server for a couple of friends. it's technically against the contract, but it's low bandwidth and temporary.
4. The savings you get from "remote hosting" can be very deceptive. This is especially true if you need more than a cut rate software VM can provide, with tons of ram, a fast cpu, and dedicated timing (like a minecraft server).
those where the days..
too late.. all those zombie movies have already desensitized us.. we should ban all zombie movies! ...just in case.. you know, for the children?
well what we do now is imprison them/ruin their careers, thus when they get out of jail after 20 years, the only thing left is to become a paid black hat for hire. ex-con murderers have an easier time of it..
gotta love laws written by ivy league lawyers who were ex popular-jocks in highschool.
cry more you bitch.. There are too many wannabe insecure tyrants like yourself in this society who are cheering on the big ones.. It was a harmless prank that deserves a slap on the wrist at best. It doesn't even sound like it was a denial of service, nor was the context of the message believable by any stretch.
Get a grip.
Powerpoint is often abused by lazy professors. Technology amplifies the effects of your content, so it's uninspired or just plain broken, it just make it that much more obvious. Powerpoint does not correct bad formulas, syntax, or organization.
You sound like my 4th grade english teacher (circa 1987), who wouldn't accept anything less than perfect penmanship no matter what the content, nor would she accept a typed document. She'd rather bitch about my handwriting and mark down for it while refusing perfectly acceptable, more legible alternatives. You're right, it wouldnt last long. I'd walk right out knowing that you're an officious blowhard who'd rather wring people through his personal gauntlet than see if applicants can operate in a typical environment: ie NOT a sheet of paper. Working for people like you is among the worst forms a passive-aggressive work environment can take.
It's kind of hard to apply passive aggressive politics (like what he experienced) to a hard copy. It's either in the professor's hands or it isn't, and all the middlemen supporting the electronic transport are out of the picture.. The only thing that can happen is that he denies it was handed in and there is no chain of evidence..
we don't. too many people go for those degrees and then have no way of paying off their $100,000 diplomas...unless an individual is very lucky, and then makes millions. however those people now show their talent by age 15 on youtube and bypass college altogether.
so because he's a liberal that means his perspectives are good..and if he was a libertarian, they'd be bad? what kind of rationale is that?
Just because wherever you live isn't as bad as egypt doesnt' mean critique isn't warranted.
ChromeOS is really starting to gain traction now, and it could reinvent the PC the way iOS/Android reinvented the smartphone and tablet.
Yeah just what users who need desktops want: a system where all the software is a remote connection away from failure/locked in upgrade treadmills, and whose functionality can change any time.
If the choice becomes chromeOS or a tablet, I'm done with computing.
Sounds like to me you're just using windows as an 'objective' barometer to measure capability.
1. restart manager? proper business systems only need to be restarted when absolutely necessary.. needing a 'manager' to handle it suggests inferior design, not superior. It's truly amazing what a process microsoft has made out of copying files from an archive to directories on the system drive.
2. group policies? Ever heard of LDAP? I believe microsoft's embrace/extend name for that is called active directory. both are a pain to set up and have problems.
3. volume shadow? LVM works just as well here, along with device mapper, dd and other io tools. Any unix released in the last 15 years kicks the crap out of microsoft in storage volume management.
4. trouble shooting? are you kidding? technet is a pile of verbose nonsense that tries so hard to say as little as possible about your system. it's at best, a faq.
Its capabilities are fine. Don't trim them down just for ideological reasons. If you want some full featured terminal, just write one for the framebuffer. They already exist. If you have a KMS/DRM2 enabled system, it'll be hw accelerated too. Or just run a term in X and be done with it. Leave the system console alone.
poettering should make it part of systemd! problem solved!
keep your python and other bloated, intepreters away from the system level code, thanks. It's bad enough that people insist on using them to script desktop environments now, as if they already weren't slow enough.
Is it really useful to have an ANSI escape sequence interpreter in the kernel ?
Yes, it is: For those of us who you end up asking to fix your crashed system/driver...whether it's a desktop, a phone, or some 'virtual host'.
I've never seen the character based console crash in linux.. not once in 15+ years. The uvesafb graphic mode consoles for non-x86 and x86_64 are another story, and because they don't initialize until halfway through the kernel's boot, the earliest printk() text is lost. DRM2 hardware accelerated drivers like nouveau seem to catch it all, but I"ll bet users have had more crashes with this than with the VGA character mode console. There's just more code being shoved around and more hardware being monkeyed with per character printed, and that increases failure rate.
User space everything has a price: performance, and it's heavy. It's quite unpopular on windows, yes, for good reason. OSX is dog slow by comparison on the same hardware and maybe this behavior is one reason why. While it's nice having ntfs-3g for reading usb flash drives and the like, it's way too cpu intensive for any sort of performance IO..and yes many of us need to read/write ntfs at speed when needed (say shared external disks). I don't get why it was rewritten for fuse. The old ntfs kernel driver still persists to this day in all its limited glory, so it can't be a patent issue.
Ah, no. Parallelizing the kernel like that is not an easy undertaking. Really, the kernel shouldn't hand off to userspace until all drivers are ready to take input from it. It's possible to make the system APPEAR to boot faster by starting the login prompt dependencies early, but that doesn't mean the systems' fully booted. Modern windows does this too, and, on most systems, I find it frustrating when I login only to have to wait another 30 seconds for everything else to catch up. I prefer to see the login prompt when the system's truly ready to go, and have a quick jump to the desktop. If the login prompt isn't coming up fast enough for you, then clear out the cruft or get faster hardware (or both).
As it turns out, on-demand, post userspace initialization is already possible with kernel modules and udev. For those applications, it works fine (though I'm not wild about udev's configuration files).
Or perhaps you're misinformed about security being the sole factor in play here. It's very important for sure, but not the only issue. Performance and simplicity still matters, even with today's hardware. There are plenty of security issues in all current operating systems, even the ones that like to claim they're secure.
If you are 'that' concerned about security for your application, I recommend you steer clear of general purpose OSs altogether and build a custom solution for your application. If you want an extreme example, use FreeDOS to bootstrap a protected/flat mode runtime, a-la 1995. That way, the only code running is what's needed for your app, and nothing else. It'd be a pain in the ass, for sure, as you'd have to write your own drivers for every single peripheral your highly sensitive application requires, but since such apps are usually for vertical markets anyway, it's doable. Of course, these difficulties are not much different than dealing with a theoretically more secure, yet laggy console that'll likely fail in recovery, embedded work, or some other application where the userland glue falls apart and you're the lucky one who gets to fix it.
..and if you have the hardware required for a quick running, nice looking, highres userspace based console, you might as well run X and the terminal of your choice. Then you'll be able to take advantage of the gpu. Of course, if X isn't running, you'll want a console that works no matter what. I don't mind simple acceleration for character blits, but shoving it out to userspace is foolish. This aspect reeks of ideological rather than technical reasoning to me.
Either way something has to shove those pixels around. In character mode, the VGA card does that (on x86/64 anyway) which is faster than anything else. In vesa/uvesa mode, the CPU does it, which is slow. Having the cpu do it AND having it switch context between user and kernelspace will make it even slower, getting worse as the resolution increases. Even if there's a DRM2 enabled driver running (like nouveau), the kernel based console will still be noticeably faster. The system console wasn't meant to be super flexible and pretty. It's meant to be available at all times, not eat resources, and offer maximum screen space for looking at text with speedy updates.
No, more like it's you who pretends to lack the understanding that newer isn't always better, and that, these days, ideology is doing most of the driving behind 'innovation' rather than technical improvement or capability enhancement. The linux console is already hardware accelerated, and has a non accelerated fallback option, as well as a fast character mode output for those of us using the nvidia blob and don't like wasting half our cpu cycles redrawing the screen during long builds. It also works over serial ports without a bunch of annoying usespace glue, making it great for debugging and embedded systems, and it's proven code. The only thing I think it needs is the ability to retain buffer after a VT switch.
No one said technology shouldn't be used to improve. You are implying that disagreement with this initiative is the same as doing such. Nice fallacy.
and employees aren't slaves.. their out-of-the-office creations should not be owned by employers either. This should be a default, intrinsic right, and not something employees have to battle for. What's far more amazing to me than attempts by schools to do the same to students, is how willing we are to accept this insult in adult affairs while still getting upset when it's applied to children. So it's only ok for children to own the produce of their labor now?
who said the US isn't well on its way to police state dystopia?