Anything requiring precise timing, from multimedia like you suggested, to things like emulation/simulation and any applications that use 100% cpu most, if not all the time, are not at their best with virtualization even on powerful hardware.
Then there's the concept of "I don't want my big core i7 machine idling 24/7 to run a VM install I could run on hw taking 1/1000th the power"
actually, today's smartphones are nowhere near as fast as supercomputers from the 90s.. Today's top of the line desktop machines are close to or equivalent on the few like terms they share, but phones are certainly not. They're about equivalent to a Pentium 75, with the faster ones hitting significant fractions of a pentium 3 at 500mhz.
Then there's the rest of us who already work at minimizing keyboard to mouse context switches, and hate fingerprints on our screens. Keyboard to touchscreen is even more time consuming and ergonomically uncomfortable, especially on a desktop (try holding your hands up at monitor level for hours at a time with no support). Touch screens are fine for ATMs or kiosks, phones or tablets, but the vendors are kidding themselves if they think they offer superior ergonomics for anything but the most basic tasks.
You're comparing car engines by max rpm. Surely as a slashdot poster you know better than to compare cpu performance solely by clockspeed. Second, android's java VM eats a ton of ram, so most of that 1GB DRAM is eaten before you even start. If you truly can do all the things you do on a pc on a cellphone, you don't do that much at all.
Running your own code isn't the definition of a personal computer or honestly of a computer in general, outside of a development environment. While I agree that it is important to be able to develop one's own software, I see nothing requiring it in the definition of computer.
You're nuts. Running your own code, or choosing to run someone else's without the blessing of the vendor on your own hardware IS the most important right associated with 'personal computer'. Without it, it's no more an example of personal property than a kiosk at a mall.
Knock it off with the trolling.. Piracy is an excuse, nothing more as console games are pirated all the time too. The publishers want control, something they cannot get on win32 but can on the shitty consoles.
So far, non graphics stuff on gpus only has a few niche areas (embarassingly parallel math like crypto or physics mainly). These tasks are only worth doing on mid to high end gpus, so doing them on these combo chips targeted at tablets and the like will not produce interesting results. Afaik, There is nothing in windows 8 that makes integrated gpu elements necessary on desktop or tablet hardware, so what's the big deal? Directcompute is already available on x86 and has been for quite some time.
Even if these chips have exclusive functionality others lack, what features does windows 8 enable with them and how do these features break otherOS? None that I can think of. This is why the whole 'windows 8' mantra from intel and amd over these chips is suspect at best.
I'm not a fanboy of anything. App stores qualify as limiting 'creation and publishing' of software for their operating systems as they allow the vendor to act as arbiter for what is acceptable functionality. Yes, for now, the desktop, however more neutered it has become in windows 8, still exists, but considering what has happened to it starting with vista, it's obvious that microsoft would like it to be EOL'd at some point in the next decade. This trend is mimicked in their competitors as well. It IS there, no matter how far you shove your head up your ass..
If you expect others provide 'evidence' you should've started with some of your own. What history are we talking about exactly? Recent? Like the full screen start menu spammed with tablet style apps? The dumbing down of the desktop even from vista/7 standards? Hotmail being the default authentication for user login? It's obvious they're pushing users to get used to the services-based tablet/phone model. The evidence is right in front of you. Beyond the scope of microsoft, there's even more evidence for this push..
You attacked a strawman with your statements about DRM and the like. You should take your own advice about jumping to conclusions too.
Agreed. Win2k was probably the best windows OS to date. WinXP added better USB and power management support and some other niceties but really it was Win2k+.
You are a fool to ignore the trend here, in windows, in microsoft's other product lines, and in the market at large. Things ARE being moved into position, bit by bit to lock the open general purpose desktop down, or at least make it mostly irrelevant.
1. it costs more to lock out a compatible OS than it profits to 'let it work' at the very least, or provide enabling source/documentation at the most.
2. Expecting what came before+sensible innovation for a given sum is not entitlement. It is a natural expectation from consumers. Expecting this and getting attempts at false scarcity in the form of windows 8 style lockdown (or gnome3 or half closed android or nvidia blobs) is something reasonable to complain about. Contrary to your attitude, complaints are not always demands for entitlements, though this excuse is often trotted out when a vendor pulls a particularly egregious bait and switch that causes enough user complaints to make their market droids wince, and their officers to give a public statement in a pathetic attempt to save face.
Linux can run without an IA32 layer on x86_64 and both amd and intel have long histories of supporting linux with drivers for their gpus and power management. Having a 'gpu accelerated operating system' doesn't require an on-die gpu..at least in the sense of having a gpu accelerated GUI. Even if alternate concepts of the former would be beneficial, there is nothing intrinsic about windows 8 that requires GPU-like, crazy-scale SIMD instructions within the cpu.
So when you're unhappy with something being repeatedly dumbed down for the masses, just cop to 'smile while you eat your shit' corporate doublespeak to make yourself feel better?
Lots of something being shovelware'd out on machines is not necessarily success from a consumer perspective, especially when a monopoly is involved. I don't get how you expect the consumer your message replies to, to accept this dumbing down a success when she is not getting what she wants. As a consumer, why do you expect her to give a shit about how much money the marketing dept droids supposedly made the company because they catered to mouth breathers? If she's unhappy with the value she extracted from her purchase, the company failed with this particular consumer. Vista was a steaming pile, and 7 is marginally less so, but both suffer from excess dumbing down of the interface, making it all but useless except for the most basic tasks. Windows 8 takes this to whole new levels of 'get a brain' 'moran'icy. IOS is already there. OSX is getting there. Android+Gnome 3 are on their way to taking linux there. Her analysis about this trend is spot on.
.. why was this modded down? This is exactly right. The whole industry is pushing right now to get the consumer used to locked in walled garden products. From consoles for games, to closed/half-closed operating systems for cellphones and tablets, to desktop operating systems that dumb down commodity pcs and tie them to services in the same way.
how about not having those remote admin back doors in the first place?..or at least having them disabled by default via a hardware jumper?
You'd seriously give up public access to general purpose computing because you fear malware? I guarantee you that in this dystopia you're supporting, the ONLY people who will still have some computing freedom left will be the malware authors...though backdoors/flaws in the 'trusted computing' stack.
Fallacious appeals do not justify taking my freedoms (and the privacy they depend on) away.. Why would you burn the village in order to save it? An america that's run like a typical european state is not an america that has been saved.. If those islamic terrorists are that much of a threat, it's time to quit appeasing the governments (like syria for ex) that passive aggressively back them and declare war on them instead.
I wonder how quick these sorts of people would change that behavior if it was their reputations on the line instead of the arrested? After all, while this goes down, the names of the defendants are the ones being trashed in the media. Happens here in america all the time. Timelimits are not a good reason to shortchange justice.
If it's alright for the state to take pictures of us in public, then I see no problem with us taking pictures of objects in that same public space, including military installations.. If they house something supersecret, then officials should have the brains to ensure it cannot be seen from outside.
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Anything requiring precise timing, from multimedia like you suggested, to things like emulation/simulation and any applications that use 100% cpu most, if not all the time, are not at their best with virtualization even on powerful hardware.
Then there's the concept of "I don't want my big core i7 machine idling 24/7 to run a VM install I could run on hw taking 1/1000th the power"
actually, today's smartphones are nowhere near as fast as supercomputers from the 90s.. Today's top of the line desktop machines are close to or equivalent on the few like terms they share, but phones are certainly not. They're about equivalent to a Pentium 75, with the faster ones hitting significant fractions of a pentium 3 at 500mhz.
Then there's the rest of us who already work at minimizing keyboard to mouse context switches, and hate fingerprints on our screens. Keyboard to touchscreen is even more time consuming and ergonomically uncomfortable, especially on a desktop (try holding your hands up at monitor level for hours at a time with no support). Touch screens are fine for ATMs or kiosks, phones or tablets, but the vendors are kidding themselves if they think they offer superior ergonomics for anything but the most basic tasks.
You're comparing car engines by max rpm. Surely as a slashdot poster you know better than to compare cpu performance solely by clockspeed. Second, android's java VM eats a ton of ram, so most of that 1GB DRAM is eaten before you even start. If you truly can do all the things you do on a pc on a cellphone, you don't do that much at all.
Running your own code isn't the definition of a personal computer or honestly of a computer in general, outside of a development environment. While I agree that it is important to be able to develop one's own software, I see nothing requiring it in the definition of computer.
You're nuts. Running your own code, or choosing to run someone else's without the blessing of the vendor on your own hardware IS the most important right associated with 'personal computer'. Without it, it's no more an example of personal property than a kiosk at a mall.
Knock it off with the trolling.. Piracy is an excuse, nothing more as console games are pirated all the time too. The publishers want control, something they cannot get on win32 but can on the shitty consoles.
virtual machines are not equivalent to dedicated hardware.
So far, non graphics stuff on gpus only has a few niche areas (embarassingly parallel math like crypto or physics mainly). These tasks are only worth doing on mid to high end gpus, so doing them on these combo chips targeted at tablets and the like will not produce interesting results. Afaik, There is nothing in windows 8 that makes integrated gpu elements necessary on desktop or tablet hardware, so what's the big deal? Directcompute is already available on x86 and has been for quite some time.
Even if these chips have exclusive functionality others lack, what features does windows 8 enable with them and how do these features break otherOS? None that I can think of. This is why the whole 'windows 8' mantra from intel and amd over these chips is suspect at best.
Yeah that must be it. You figured me out.
I'm not a fanboy of anything. App stores qualify as limiting 'creation and publishing' of software for their operating systems as they allow the vendor to act as arbiter for what is acceptable functionality. Yes, for now, the desktop, however more neutered it has become in windows 8, still exists, but considering what has happened to it starting with vista, it's obvious that microsoft would like it to be EOL'd at some point in the next decade. This trend is mimicked in their competitors as well. It IS there, no matter how far you shove your head up your ass..
If you expect others provide 'evidence' you should've started with some of your own. What history are we talking about exactly? Recent? Like the full screen start menu spammed with tablet style apps? The dumbing down of the desktop even from vista/7 standards? Hotmail being the default authentication for user login? It's obvious they're pushing users to get used to the services-based tablet/phone model. The evidence is right in front of you. Beyond the scope of microsoft, there's even more evidence for this push..
You attacked a strawman with your statements about DRM and the like. You should take your own advice about jumping to conclusions too.
Agreed. Win2k was probably the best windows OS to date. WinXP added better USB and power management support and some other niceties but really it was Win2k+.
You are a fool to ignore the trend here, in windows, in microsoft's other product lines, and in the market at large. Things ARE being moved into position, bit by bit to lock the open general purpose desktop down, or at least make it mostly irrelevant.
1. it costs more to lock out a compatible OS than it profits to 'let it work' at the very least, or provide enabling source/documentation at the most.
2. Expecting what came before+sensible innovation for a given sum is not entitlement. It is a natural expectation from consumers. Expecting this and getting attempts at false scarcity in the form of windows 8 style lockdown (or gnome3 or half closed android or nvidia blobs) is something reasonable to complain about. Contrary to your attitude, complaints are not always demands for entitlements, though this excuse is often trotted out when a vendor pulls a particularly egregious bait and switch that causes enough user complaints to make their market droids wince, and their officers to give a public statement in a pathetic attempt to save face.
Linux can run without an IA32 layer on x86_64 and both amd and intel have long histories of supporting linux with drivers for their gpus and power management. Having a 'gpu accelerated operating system' doesn't require an on-die gpu..at least in the sense of having a gpu accelerated GUI. Even if alternate concepts of the former would be beneficial, there is nothing intrinsic about windows 8 that requires GPU-like, crazy-scale SIMD instructions within the cpu.
So when you're unhappy with something being repeatedly dumbed down for the masses, just cop to 'smile while you eat your shit' corporate doublespeak to make yourself feel better?
Lots of something being shovelware'd out on machines is not necessarily success from a consumer perspective, especially when a monopoly is involved. I don't get how you expect the consumer your message replies to, to accept this dumbing down a success when she is not getting what she wants. As a consumer, why do you expect her to give a shit about how much money the marketing dept droids supposedly made the company because they catered to mouth breathers? If she's unhappy with the value she extracted from her purchase, the company failed with this particular consumer. Vista was a steaming pile, and 7 is marginally less so, but both suffer from excess dumbing down of the interface, making it all but useless except for the most basic tasks. Windows 8 takes this to whole new levels of 'get a brain' 'moran'icy. IOS is already there. OSX is getting there. Android+Gnome 3 are on their way to taking linux there. Her analysis about this trend is spot on.
.. why was this modded down? This is exactly right. The whole industry is pushing right now to get the consumer used to locked in walled garden products. From consoles for games, to closed/half-closed operating systems for cellphones and tablets, to desktop operating systems that dumb down commodity pcs and tie them to services in the same way.
um.. they don't have to 'add' support. linux already runs on x86. They can only purposely break it which takes extra effort.
Well I do since amd and arm chips generally don't compare in terms of performance per watt these days. I guess it depends what your priorities are.
of course, we could have sensible laws that do not support such false scarcity in the market...but I guess that's too much to ask..
how about not having those remote admin back doors in the first place? ..or at least having them disabled by default via a hardware jumper?
You'd seriously give up public access to general purpose computing because you fear malware? I guarantee you that in this dystopia you're supporting, the ONLY people who will still have some computing freedom left will be the malware authors...though backdoors/flaws in the 'trusted computing' stack.
Fallacious appeals do not justify taking my freedoms (and the privacy they depend on) away.. Why would you burn the village in order to save it? An america that's run like a typical european state is not an america that has been saved.. If those islamic terrorists are that much of a threat, it's time to quit appeasing the governments (like syria for ex) that passive aggressively back them and declare war on them instead.
AAC is not lossless nor is it a video codec.
You mean MP3 is about as standard as it gets (for lossy anyway).
I never said america was a free country.. at least not these days.
I wonder how quick these sorts of people would change that behavior if it was their reputations on the line instead of the arrested? After all, while this goes down, the names of the defendants are the ones being trashed in the media. Happens here in america all the time. Timelimits are not a good reason to shortchange justice.
If it's alright for the state to take pictures of us in public, then I see no problem with us taking pictures of objects in that same public space, including military installations.. If they house something supersecret, then officials should have the brains to ensure it cannot be seen from outside.