You would just use multple edge panels on the same edge. You could then put any combination of launchers and panel applets on each panel to your liking. If you're looking for specific applets, I think the main ones should be there (tasklist, workspace pager, sound levels, command-line applets, lock, logoff, etc) but I would expect that each has some the other does not.
Regarding the wealth of config options, all the advanced stuff is available through gconf. I forget where it is on the menu, under System Tools I think. That's acutally one of the things I don't like about KDE, is the huge config panels. To be fair, though, I wish GNOME and KDE opted for an Advanced tab or button to accessextra settigns which aren't commonly changed.
Regarding Konqueror, you can run that in GNOME, just install the KDE libs. It will start super slow the first time while it loads all the libs and DCOP servers and stuff, but after that should run normally.
The user needs to be clued in when they are moving between distinct environments. Otherwise they will simply be frustrated by the lack of any ability to predict what set of apps will do what.
The post you are replying to stated, and I agree, that if you make interoperable toolkits (copy/paste, drag & drop work between apps built in the different toolkits) then the user doesn't need to predict the ability. In fact, the whole tone of the article is that non-power users (the kind who don't go, "that looks like the keramic theme, so it's probably a Qt/KDE app, but it could just be a gtk or gtk2 app with a keramic theme") shouldn't be forced to look at 7 apps that look different. I think using the widgets to determine how well an app can interact with the UI is a silly thing to expect. I am a programmer/network admin, so I can handle it, but I think it's a waste of my time to do so. meh.
As I said in my original reply, they are saying the search/seizure served on the ISP violated the due process. How difficult is that for you to understand.
RIAA to ISP: we have a subpoena that says you have to give us Jane Doe's information
ISP to RIAA: here it is
Jane Doe: eine Minute bitte! The subpoena that RIAA gave to my ISP was obtained through methods which violate the Constitutional due process provisions.
Now, feel free to post another troll that completely disregards things I've told to you directly in this thread, and in the articles related to this discussion, but don't expect to make any converts.
What I was trying to say was that they're not saying her right to anonymity has been violated. So it doesn't matter if the 4th amendment says a damn thing about privacy. They're saying that the search/seizure action to obtain her information violated the 4th amendment, not because of privacy, but because the DMCA sets more lenient rules than the Consitution. So quit talking about a right to privacy, go yell at Santorum haters about that. Talk about due process of search and seizure.
OK, I understand that, but I still want to know what the constitutional grounds are. Where exactly in the fourth amendment (which is what I'm assuming) is the right to anonymity?
They're challenging that the process the RIAA is following, (getting a subpeona from a clerk with little/no proof, rather then enough evidence to present probable cause to a judge) violates the due process defined to permit search/seizure under the 4th amendment. In case you'er wondering the search/seizure in question is the RIAA presenting a subpeona to the ISP to obtain the records. The 4th amendment specifies what needs to be established before such a search/seizure can take place.
You know that's a Nine Inch Nails song he's covering, right? He also covered Sound Garden's Rusty Cage on the Unchained CD. I believe Unchained is an album of cover songs, with Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers as the backing band.
I seem to recall from a behind the music that it was on vinyl, and the record had a scratch, so it got stuck in ~1 second loop. Was kinda funny seeing them trying to play it off seeing the same half line 5 times and then one of them runs off the stage and the song starts going again.
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No he's not. Downloading a copy of a CD is copyright infringement commited by the person sharing the files. It is not theft commited by the person downloading them, as no physical good has been removed without permission. The author would have to be saying it's ok to walk into a warehouse that CDs are shipped from and steal a few from the warehouse, that would be equivalent to stealing diamonds from DeBeers. Since diamonds don't have an intellectual property component (you don't copyright the diamonds, cut or uncut), there is no analogy to draw between the use of p2p and stealing diamonds.
Jane Doe sticking up for her rights to follow her own "process" - using Kazaa
She's sticking up for her right to due process, not her right to follow her current process of obtaining music through kazaa. I'm sure that if there is any success on this front, she will then moev on to stick up for her right to use kazaa.
And no, they cannot abuse the law to force me to do it their way.
They already did, it's called the DMCA. There's also the CDBTPA bill that was withdrawn after 9/11, but will likely be resubmitted.
That's a monopoly, and what even bigger industry giants like Microsoft have already been convicted of.
I'm sure this threat will deter them. I mean, look at how successful the case against Microsoft. I mean, we now longer have to worry about them releasing Internet Explorer or Outlook Express products in the future! </sarcasm> We need a president and administration who give a damn about the average consumer before antitrust and fiscal responsibility and such will enter into the minds of corporate leaders.
People who think they have to use kazaa to download music will most likely think they must use kazaa to play what they downloaded with it, most likely because they don't know how to get to the files with some other application (like the file browser).
me: "Where are all your downloaded files? user: "In Kazaa."
There's a button on the toolbar to show you all the files in your shared folder, and it breaks them down by media type, and you can play them from there.
If they developed it for AIX before getting the UNIX license amendment which removed the all your derivatives are belong to us clause, then a clean room implementation would allow them to avoid being sued for appropriated copyrighted UNIX code. Someone should tell SCO that.
You misunderstood, or purposely quoted only enough to support your statement. After upgrading, in order to use the drivers/utilities (to get an association with the access point and have networking access through the card), I have to be in the administrator group.
redundant!? Guess I should have quoted the bit I was responding to (who runs windows on...? HOMER SIMPSON) The yes over and over being a reference to him running his mission critical system, where he just typed yes all day, until he figured out he could just hit y, until he set up that toy bird which leans forward and stands back up over and over. Man, I can't believe I had to explain that one.
whatever. RedHat's default firewall settings have in fact been too secure for most average users (I believe the default firewall settings prevented using samba with any other networked machines, for example) in the last few releases. Also, services haven't been widespread enabled in RedHat workstations installs for a while. If you're talking about sendmail specifically, the default firewall blocks incoming smtp connections, and I think the default settings (implemented by RedHat) don't allow relay.
Gee, too bad I didn't do something silly like say "in practice" or "its possible to [do something intelligent in windows]". Oh wait, I did... Guess I really am able to distinguish between how a system is capable of being configured and how it is usually configured.
And you're mistaken about no need. Upon upgrading the drivers for my 802.11b card (a linksys), I needed to be an administrator to be able to configure the drivers to non-default settings. This persisted through several re-installs of the drivers and utilities, and a tech support call that went through 2 levels of support reps. I've also had trouble with CD burning (Nero) when not administrator.
no. Many packages are started as root so they can bind privileged ports, and then fork and switch to an unprivileged users. so you are left with a process bound to a privileged port without root privileges. If your serivces are running as root, then you either set it up that way yourself, or you are using a terrible distribution.
Saying that users don't run as administrator on windows is a fallacy. At every office I've ever worked in the first thing the IT department does when setting up a new user's machine is add them to the administrator group. On top of that, the service run as privileged users by default. It's possible to run windows without admin rights, but very rarely happens in practice. It's possible to run services as unprivileged users, but again it rare in practice. You also don't need to be administrator to open privileged ports on Windows like you do on *nix. Unix and Linux have the advantage that users and services run unprivileged by default.
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That is the coolest job title. I'd have to negotiate a gold plated machette as a hiring bonus for a title like that. And anyone working for me would be officially titled a Hacking Minion!
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You would just use multple edge panels on the same edge. You could then put any combination of launchers and panel applets on each panel to your liking. If you're looking for specific applets, I think the main ones should be there (tasklist, workspace pager, sound levels, command-line applets, lock, logoff, etc) but I would expect that each has some the other does not.
Regarding the wealth of config options, all the advanced stuff is available through gconf. I forget where it is on the menu, under System Tools I think. That's acutally one of the things I don't like about KDE, is the huge config panels. To be fair, though, I wish GNOME and KDE opted for an Advanced tab or button to accessextra settigns which aren't commonly changed.
Regarding Konqueror, you can run that in GNOME, just install the KDE libs. It will start super slow the first time while it loads all the libs and DCOP servers and stuff, but after that should run normally.
ps - I don't remember anything I couldn't do in KDE, I just like the general layout of GNOME better.
The post you are replying to stated, and I agree, that if you make interoperable toolkits (copy/paste, drag & drop work between apps built in the different toolkits) then the user doesn't need to predict the ability. In fact, the whole tone of the article is that non-power users (the kind who don't go, "that looks like the keramic theme, so it's probably a Qt/KDE app, but it could just be a gtk or gtk2 app with a keramic theme") shouldn't be forced to look at 7 apps that look different. I think using the widgets to determine how well an app can interact with the UI is a silly thing to expect. I am a programmer/network admin, so I can handle it, but I think it's a waste of my time to do so. meh.
RIAA to ISP: we have a subpoena that says you have to give us Jane Doe's information
ISP to RIAA: here it is
Jane Doe: eine Minute bitte! The subpoena that RIAA gave to my ISP was obtained through methods which violate the Constitutional due process provisions.
Now, feel free to post another troll that completely disregards things I've told to you directly in this thread, and in the articles related to this discussion, but don't expect to make any converts.
What I was trying to say was that they're not saying her right to anonymity has been violated. So it doesn't matter if the 4th amendment says a damn thing about privacy. They're saying that the search/seizure action to obtain her information violated the 4th amendment, not because of privacy, but because the DMCA sets more lenient rules than the Consitution. So quit talking about a right to privacy, go yell at Santorum haters about that. Talk about due process of search and seizure.
They're challenging that the process the RIAA is following, (getting a subpeona from a clerk with little/no proof, rather then enough evidence to present probable cause to a judge) violates the due process defined to permit search/seizure under the 4th amendment. In case you'er wondering the search/seizure in question is the RIAA presenting a subpeona to the ISP to obtain the records. The 4th amendment specifies what needs to be established before such a search/seizure can take place.
You know that's a Nine Inch Nails song he's covering, right? He also covered Sound Garden's Rusty Cage on the Unchained CD. I believe Unchained is an album of cover songs, with Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers as the backing band.
I seem to recall from a behind the music that it was on vinyl, and the record had a scratch, so it got stuck in ~1 second loop. Was kinda funny seeing them trying to play it off seeing the same half line 5 times and then one of them runs off the stage and the song starts going again.
No he's not. Downloading a copy of a CD is copyright infringement commited by the person sharing the files. It is not theft commited by the person downloading them, as no physical good has been removed without permission. The author would have to be saying it's ok to walk into a warehouse that CDs are shipped from and steal a few from the warehouse, that would be equivalent to stealing diamonds from DeBeers. Since diamonds don't have an intellectual property component (you don't copyright the diamonds, cut or uncut), there is no analogy to draw between the use of p2p and stealing diamonds.
they're all too real. There used to be one in Austin on monster truck wheels. Never did manage to get a picture of it though.
She's sticking up for her right to due process, not her right to follow her current process of obtaining music through kazaa. I'm sure that if there is any success on this front, she will then moev on to stick up for her right to use kazaa.
They already did, it's called the DMCA. There's also the CDBTPA bill that was withdrawn after 9/11, but will likely be resubmitted.
That's a monopoly, and what even bigger industry giants like Microsoft have already been convicted of.
I'm sure this threat will deter them. I mean, look at how successful the case against Microsoft. I mean, we now longer have to worry about them releasing Internet Explorer or Outlook Express products in the future! </sarcasm> We need a president and administration who give a damn about the average consumer before antitrust and fiscal responsibility and such will enter into the minds of corporate leaders.
People who think they have to use kazaa to download music will most likely think they must use kazaa to play what they downloaded with it, most likely because they don't know how to get to the files with some other application (like the file browser).
me: "Where are all your downloaded files?
user: "In Kazaa."
There's a button on the toolbar to show you all the files in your shared folder, and it breaks them down by media type, and you can play them from there.
If they developed it for AIX before getting the UNIX license amendment which removed the all your derivatives are belong to us clause, then a clean room implementation would allow them to avoid being sued for appropriated copyrighted UNIX code. Someone should tell SCO that.
scene: SCO is strapped to a table in IBM's hideout, with a laser creeping ever closer.
SCO: Do you expect me to show the code?
IBM: No Mr. SCO, I expect you to die!
(I know this has the rolls reversed, but it's funnier this way)
He said the data center is moving forward, not dying!
You misunderstood, or purposely quoted only enough to support your statement. After upgrading, in order to use the drivers/utilities (to get an association with the access point and have networking access through the card), I have to be in the administrator group.
redundant!? Guess I should have quoted the bit I was responding to (who runs windows on ...? HOMER SIMPSON ) The yes over and over being a reference to him running his mission critical system, where he just typed yes all day, until he figured out he could just hit y, until he set up that toy bird which leans forward and stands back up over and over. Man, I can't believe I had to explain that one.
whatever. RedHat's default firewall settings have in fact been too secure for most average users (I believe the default firewall settings prevented using samba with any other networked machines, for example) in the last few releases. Also, services haven't been widespread enabled in RedHat workstations installs for a while. If you're talking about sendmail specifically, the default firewall blocks incoming smtp connections, and I think the default settings (implemented by RedHat) don't allow relay.
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Gee, too bad I didn't do something silly like say "in practice" or "its possible to [do something intelligent in windows]". Oh wait, I did ... Guess I really am able to distinguish between how a system is capable of being configured and how it is usually configured.
And you're mistaken about no need. Upon upgrading the drivers for my 802.11b card (a linksys), I needed to be an administrator to be able to configure the drivers to non-default settings. This persisted through several re-installs of the drivers and utilities, and a tech support call that went through 2 levels of support reps. I've also had trouble with CD burning (Nero) when not administrator.
no. Many packages are started as root so they can bind privileged ports, and then fork and switch to an unprivileged users. so you are left with a process bound to a privileged port without root privileges. If your serivces are running as root, then you either set it up that way yourself, or you are using a terrible distribution.
Saying that users don't run as administrator on windows is a fallacy. At every office I've ever worked in the first thing the IT department does when setting up a new user's machine is add them to the administrator group. On top of that, the service run as privileged users by default. It's possible to run windows without admin rights, but very rarely happens in practice. It's possible to run services as unprivileged users, but again it rare in practice. You also don't need to be administrator to open privileged ports on Windows like you do on *nix. Unix and Linux have the advantage that users and services run unprivileged by default.
except that this particular worm (blaster) only affects 2000 and newer. 95/98/ME are safe to this worm.
That is the coolest job title. I'd have to negotiate a gold plated machette as a hiring bonus for a title like that. And anyone working for me would be officially titled a Hacking Minion!