1) AtheOS is being actively developed, BeOS is not.
2) AtheOS is opens source (see (1) for results).
3) AtheOS has better POSIX complience.
4) AtheOS has better development tools (more modern GCC).
Of course, BeOS is still technalogically more mature, but given 1-4, and Be's lack of lifesigns it won't be for long.
Archaic != bad. 90% of human DNA is more than a billion years old. If it works it works.
PS> Don't think that I am defending X in any way. For a desktop user, almost every GUI system out there is better than X. For a network user, QNX Photon is quite a leg up on X. The only thing that X has is support, and that can be said of Windows as well...
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And you reply without being sure yourself? Even on my 300MHz Pentium II you can play Quake and an MP3 at the same time. If you're facts are wrong, then you DIDN'T make a point, you just made yourself look foolish.
Yahoo. Who exactly cares what you think? Seriously! If you are that far off base on the actual market angle of the new Amiga, you aren't entitled to have an opinion!
Actually, the point of the research is not to caculate additional digits of Pi, but to understand the mathematical nature of Pi. And such inquiries about mathematics have been show to be immensely useful in all sorts of real world applications. Take the whole "quantum physics" thing. One could ask, "who really cares how a quark behaves on the sub-atomic scale?" Today, it has been found that a significant fraction of the US economy is based on the application of quantum physics.
Actually, the reason is the dual memory channels, rather than any performance characteristics for RAMBUS. NVIDIA's dual DDR nForce should whallop anything else out there, plus have great latency.
Rambus, fail? That is one spectacular failure. To date, Rambus has been used in all Nintendo 64s, all Playstation 2s, and several video cards, not to mention every P4 system to date, and many P3 systems as well. I'd hesitate to say it was dead, because I'm sure they must be plotting something...
100GB harddrives, $285 each on pricewatch. Attach them to a 3Ware IDE RAID card, wrap a dual PIII around it, and you've got a decent file server $5000.
It actually ISN'T that common. I can't remember the last time I heard someone use AM/PM with further qualification. You'll hear people say "the meeting is at 4pm tomarrow" or "I had to get up at 4 in the morning!" but you'll rarely hear "the stupid cable guy was supposed to come at 4pm this afternoon!"
I`m not suggesting write kernals or games or drivers in vb. But for either knocking up demos, or for writing apps where speed isnt too important (stuff like Outlook, or a front end for anything, really), why bother with C/C++? Its just a waste of time.
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He he. That explains why Outlook is so glacially slow;)
Actually, in the beginning, C++ *is* C. Until you get into the OO stuff, they are mostly the same. This is generally the way C++ is taught in courses anyway. Besides, learning C first is a little dumb, since the C syntax of C++ is a little nicer.
Its not a C problem, it is a Linux problem. Linux isn't an OS, and thus must use separate libraries to provide services that are normally standard in Win32. For example, GUI internationalization is a standard part of Win32, but on Linux, it comes in the form of Pango and other libraries. That's where you dependencies come from. Even in Algol, those dependencies would still be there.
seems like Konq is moving fast.
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And unlike Mozilla, it actuall MOVES fast. (At least when you get past the 3-4 second startup time!) The thing that bothers me is that the developers don't really bother to code for speed. I'm upgrading to a 1.4 GHz Athlon soon, but I shouldn't have to, not to just run my desktop or webrowser at a decent speed. I can understand a 3D renderer chewing up your CPU. For something like KDE or Konq, its just plain unjustifiable. I really think developers should be forced to code on slow machines, just so the end result uses a sane amount of computing power.
Quite true. Other's may scoff and tell you to buy a hard drive, but I look at my BeOS directory, and failing to see any executables over 2.5MB, sigh and agree with you that the whole OS world is heading into the toilet.
If anybody hasn't noticed, KDE isn't exactly the most slim computing environment around. (To be equitable, neither is GNOME!) For those of us with low end hardware (300MHz PII, 256MB RAM...) KDE-2 is absolutely unusable (even on a super-tweeked Gentoo RC5 system running XFS!) For such people, lightweight web-browsers like this and Galeon are absolutely essential. The way things are going with KDE and GNOME, freedom is being increasingly restricted. To have a usable web experience, you seem to need to run one of these two (bloated and slow) environments. Thankfully, these project provide a way out. I'd prefer it if it were based on GTK+ (since there aren't many Qt apps outside of KDE) but hey, you take what you can get, no?
He he. I'm posting this from a Gentoo-RC5 box as we speak
It really is pretty cool. Still needs a bit of polishing up,
but when its ready, I can guarentee that this distro is going places!
PS> It has i686 optimizations!
Apparently nobody has looked at the latest packages listings. Slackware used to stay behind the curve before 4.0, but ever since then, its kept right up. 8.0 even includes GCC 3.0!
I think the real problem with your sig is that it's inflammatory by its very nature. Implying that Win2K is an "upgrade" from Linux 2.4 is inherently going to draw negative criticism to you.
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But somehow all the Micro$oft and Winblows.sigs never seem to draw any...
Perhaps you just enjoy attention.
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I just enjoy getting people like you teed off...
Regardless, you cannot argue that Windows is a more technically superior solution and at the same time reduce someone else's arguments to nothing because you're looking at it from a "desktop user's" perspective.
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Oh, but I can. If a 3D gamer goes from using a Matrox G400 to a GeForce2 it is an upgrade. If a Photoshop user makes the same transition, it is a downgrade (the G400 has better 2D quality). For me and many desktop users, Windows 2000 IS a technically better solution.
Desktop user implies through its connotation someone who is not very technically apt and therefore has no basis to judge a product as such.
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Maybe from an elitist viewpoint. To me a desktop user is someone who uses a desktop machine (as opposed to a server) be it for programming, graphics design, internet browsing or email. Implying that doing such activities somehow makes someone less "technically apt" is just silly. I know many desktop users who know more about computers than a sys-admin, simply because the admin's job is so narrow in scope. Still, I also know admin's who know more than desktop users. It's the person, not on which end of the client/server connection he sits.
As for a Win2K running faster on a strictly desktop system, that's a pantload in my opinion. You seem to be going by your own observations and my observations tell me that the only application that starts faster on Windows is IE and that's because they tied it into the operating system.
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Its from my observations after having used both Linux and Win2K (and NT4) for several years. And there are technical reasons why Windows "seems" faster from a desktop perspective, and I have iterated them. While Linux may very well be able to process more SETI packets in a day, Windows simply has better interactive performance.
If you hate waiting for a browser so much when you use Linux just keep one open all the time.
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You're trying to finesse the issue. Why does the browser take so long to start? With KDE (all KDE2 apps) it is a technical problem. The linker has to bind all virtual function references at load-time rather than doing it dynamically. With KDE's large nature, this linking takes a long time. However, Windows also uses a C++ library (MFC) and doesn't seem to have the same problem.
And given that Unix apps in general are much better about memory management than Windows (though I do admit that Microsoft has been trying to fix that) it doesn't cause a problem to do that.
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No arguement here.
Anyway, don't complain about the RAMdisk solution for konqueror because that's essentially exactly what windows does except they don't tell you that explicity
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I'm not sure if this point is factually correct. Most Windows apps start faster than their KDE2 or GNOME counterparts, so I doubt it is just that IE is preloaded. Of course, you'll tell me not to use KDE2, but then you'll have to fess up that Linux can't compete with MS feature-wise.
and linux would much rather give you the option to not have precious ram space sucked up by an application that is permanently nearly running.
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Ahem, X...
Regardless, get rid of the inflammatory sig and you won't have people complaining to you. Keep it and you'll continue getting attention I'm sure (though the quality of the attention will continue to decline).
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Right. You dislike the.sig so I should get rid of it. I've got a little mission for you. If you can get all the Linux zealots to get rid of their anti-Windows.sigs, I'll get rid of mine.
No, my point was that it was of no relevance what I said, since you probably wouldn't believe it either way. That said, I did buy Visual C++, and I got Win2K free from somebody who gets a dev kit.
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Several reasons:
1) AtheOS is being actively developed, BeOS is not.
2) AtheOS is opens source (see (1) for results).
3) AtheOS has better POSIX complience.
4) AtheOS has better development tools (more modern GCC).
Of course, BeOS is still technalogically more mature, but given 1-4, and Be's lack of lifesigns it won't be for long.
No, the irony of this post is not lost on me.
No, AtheOS is a not really a microkernel, but does run the GUI in userspace.
Archaic != bad. 90% of human DNA is more than a billion years old. If it works it works.
PS> Don't think that I am defending X in any way. For a desktop user, almost every GUI system out there is better than X. For a network user, QNX Photon is quite a leg up on X. The only thing that X has is support, and that can be said of Windows as well...
And you reply without being sure yourself? Even on my 300MHz Pentium II you can play Quake and an MP3 at the same time. If you're facts are wrong, then you DIDN'T make a point, you just made yourself look foolish.
Yahoo. Who exactly cares what you think? Seriously! If you are that far off base on the actual market angle of the new Amiga, you aren't entitled to have an opinion!
Actually, the point of the research is not to caculate additional digits of Pi, but to understand the mathematical nature of Pi. And such inquiries about mathematics have been show to be immensely useful in all sorts of real world applications. Take the whole "quantum physics" thing. One could ask, "who really cares how a quark behaves on the sub-atomic scale?" Today, it has been found that a significant fraction of the US economy is based on the application of quantum physics.
Actually, the reason is the dual memory channels, rather than any performance characteristics for RAMBUS. NVIDIA's dual DDR nForce should whallop anything else out there, plus have great latency.
Rambus, fail? That is one spectacular failure. To date, Rambus has been used in all Nintendo 64s, all Playstation 2s, and several video cards, not to mention every P4 system to date, and many P3 systems as well. I'd hesitate to say it was dead, because I'm sure they must be plotting something...
Oh my god. He likes more than one OS! Can't accept... can't understand... must block... Good grief, you guys sound like a Calvin and Hobbes cartoon!
What do you think happened to NT embedded? 29 million lines, that's what!
100GB harddrives, $285 each on pricewatch. Attach them to a 3Ware IDE RAID card, wrap a dual PIII around it, and you've got a decent file server $5000.
Does it run Linux ;) Actually, methinks that this display just might make AA obsolete! Maybe X is more cutting edge than we all thought...
It actually ISN'T that common. I can't remember the last time I heard someone use AM/PM with further qualification. You'll hear people say "the meeting is at 4pm tomarrow" or "I had to get up at 4 in the morning!" but you'll rarely hear "the stupid cable guy was supposed to come at 4pm this afternoon!"
Wow. Well said. Someone mod this guy up!
I`m not suggesting write kernals or games or drivers in vb. But for either knocking up demos, or for writing apps where speed isnt too important (stuff like Outlook, or a front end for anything, really), why bother with C/C++? Its just a waste of time. ;)
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He he. That explains why Outlook is so glacially slow
Actually, in the beginning, C++ *is* C. Until you get into the OO stuff, they are mostly the same. This is generally the way C++ is taught in courses anyway. Besides, learning C first is a little dumb, since the C syntax of C++ is a little nicer.
Its not a C problem, it is a Linux problem. Linux isn't an OS, and thus must use separate libraries to provide services that are normally standard in Win32. For example, GUI internationalization is a standard part of Win32, but on Linux, it comes in the form of Pango and other libraries. That's where you dependencies come from. Even in Algol, those dependencies would still be there.
I was mostly joking. Writing without extra 'u's is one or two % more efficient than writing with them. Besides, nobody likes the British anyway ;)
seems like Konq is moving fast.
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And unlike Mozilla, it actuall MOVES fast. (At least when you get past the 3-4 second startup time!) The thing that bothers me is that the developers don't really bother to code for speed. I'm upgrading to a 1.4 GHz Athlon soon, but I shouldn't have to, not to just run my desktop or webrowser at a decent speed. I can understand a 3D renderer chewing up your CPU. For something like KDE or Konq, its just plain unjustifiable. I really think developers should be forced to code on slow machines, just so the end result uses a sane amount of computing power.
Quite true. Other's may scoff and tell you to buy a hard drive, but I look at my BeOS directory, and failing to see any executables over 2.5MB, sigh and agree with you that the whole OS world is heading into the toilet.
If anybody hasn't noticed, KDE isn't exactly the most slim computing environment around. (To be equitable, neither is GNOME!) For those of us with low end hardware (300MHz PII, 256MB RAM...) KDE-2 is absolutely unusable (even on a super-tweeked Gentoo RC5 system running XFS!) For such people, lightweight web-browsers like this and Galeon are absolutely essential. The way things are going with KDE and GNOME, freedom is being increasingly restricted. To have a usable web experience, you seem to need to run one of these two (bloated and slow) environments. Thankfully, these project provide a way out. I'd prefer it if it were based on GTK+ (since there aren't many Qt apps outside of KDE) but hey, you take what you can get, no?
He he. I'm posting this from a Gentoo-RC5 box as we speak It really is pretty cool. Still needs a bit of polishing up, but when its ready, I can guarentee that this distro is going places! PS> It has i686 optimizations!
Apparently nobody has looked at the latest packages listings. Slackware used to stay behind the curve before 4.0, but ever since then, its kept right up. 8.0 even includes GCC 3.0!
I think the real problem with your sig is that it's inflammatory by its very nature. Implying that Win2K is an "upgrade" from Linux 2.4 is inherently going to draw negative criticism to you. .sigs never seem to draw any...
.sig so I should get rid of it. I've got a little mission for you. If you can get all the Linux zealots to get rid of their anti-Windows .sigs, I'll get rid of mine.
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But somehow all the Micro$oft and Winblows
Perhaps you just enjoy attention.
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I just enjoy getting people like you teed off...
Regardless, you cannot argue that Windows is a more technically superior solution and at the same time reduce someone else's arguments to nothing because you're looking at it from a "desktop user's" perspective.
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Oh, but I can. If a 3D gamer goes from using a Matrox G400 to a GeForce2 it is an upgrade. If a Photoshop user makes the same transition, it is a downgrade (the G400 has better 2D quality). For me and many desktop users, Windows 2000 IS a technically better solution.
Desktop user implies through its connotation someone who is not very technically apt and therefore has no basis to judge a product as such.
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Maybe from an elitist viewpoint. To me a desktop user is someone who uses a desktop machine (as opposed to a server) be it for programming, graphics design, internet browsing or email. Implying that doing such activities somehow makes someone less "technically apt" is just silly. I know many desktop users who know more about computers than a sys-admin, simply because the admin's job is so narrow in scope. Still, I also know admin's who know more than desktop users. It's the person, not on which end of the client/server connection he sits.
As for a Win2K running faster on a strictly desktop system, that's a pantload in my opinion. You seem to be going by your own observations and my observations tell me that the only application that starts faster on Windows is IE and that's because they tied it into the operating system.
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Its from my observations after having used both Linux and Win2K (and NT4) for several years. And there are technical reasons why Windows "seems" faster from a desktop perspective, and I have iterated them. While Linux may very well be able to process more SETI packets in a day, Windows simply has better interactive performance.
If you hate waiting for a browser so much when you use Linux just keep one open all the time.
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You're trying to finesse the issue. Why does the browser take so long to start? With KDE (all KDE2 apps) it is a technical problem. The linker has to bind all virtual function references at load-time rather than doing it dynamically. With KDE's large nature, this linking takes a long time. However, Windows also uses a C++ library (MFC) and doesn't seem to have the same problem.
And given that Unix apps in general are much better about memory management than Windows (though I do admit that Microsoft has been trying to fix that) it doesn't cause a problem to do that.
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No arguement here.
Anyway, don't complain about the RAMdisk solution for konqueror because that's essentially exactly what windows does except they don't tell you that explicity
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I'm not sure if this point is factually correct. Most Windows apps start faster than their KDE2 or GNOME counterparts, so I doubt it is just that IE is preloaded. Of course, you'll tell me not to use KDE2, but then you'll have to fess up that Linux can't compete with MS feature-wise.
and linux would much rather give you the option to not have precious ram space sucked up by an application that is permanently nearly running.
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Ahem, X...
Regardless, get rid of the inflammatory sig and you won't have people complaining to you. Keep it and you'll continue getting attention I'm sure (though the quality of the attention will continue to decline).
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Right. You dislike the
No, my point was that it was of no relevance what I said, since you probably wouldn't believe it either way. That said, I did buy Visual C++, and I got Win2K free from somebody who gets a dev kit.