It is not the responsibility of IRC networks to hide a user's identity. These values are used to identify anonymous users on IRC to stop much wider abuse that would come with masking these.
There is nothing wrong with the IRC protocol, which is no more or less susceptable to DoS attacks than any other service. If it aint broke, there is no reason to fix it.
How is this situation any different to the web servers (and associated networks) that were DOSed last year? Is the web in trouble? The only thing this has to do with IRC is that the servers targetted are IRC servers.
The IRC protocol(s) are being actively developed by different groups every day. Why reinvent the wheel?
I'd have to disagree. Half assed is better than nothing. And supporting linux is a choice that they had to make, and it possibly cost them a lot of resources. If they hadn't touched linux at all they wouldn't be dealing with this negativity and I think it is much more important to get vendors interested than to stand behind them with a whip and a deadline.
I don't understand why functionality should be taken from the kernel? Sure it may be rare for equipment like this to be in use but every time you take away a feature you take away flexibility. With bandwidth and disk space as abundant as it is today, the size of the kernel is not such an issue. It seems a waste to me.
You're a fucking idiot. IT professionals don't have to know or use linux to be good at their job. I'm sure you would have zero experience with some of the systems I use in my job, but does that make you bad at yours?
I think you missed an important word here
USE
A sysadmin's job is not to do employee's work. Who is going to train an ENTIRE company/organization to do their job with a new OS and application suite?
I'm sorry, but every post of yours I have seen is a piece of shit and it's quite painful just to read your comments.
You installed a THIRD PARTY APPLICATION for christs sake. This application can be DIRECTLY linked to the problem, and therefore it is THEIR FUCKING FAULT.
How is this a fault of windows?
Show me a corporate setup where users save documents to the hard drive?
I have never met a user who has a particular problem with a setup where they have a home drive mapped. In fact it makes sense to them.. home is in H:
As for user configuration for the GUI going into a subdirectory, this is not true. With roaming network profiles it gets saved to a network drive, allowing it to be retrieved from any machine on the network.
You should take a look at corporate windows networks sometime, the network integration is simple.
No offense, to all of you that wasted time and money to achieve being a MCSE
That statement is extremely offensive. Do you somehow think that the number of MCSEs somehow affects the level of the education provided by the certification? I found it invaluable. Aparrently somehow it is a waste of time and money to advance your IT skills, but it has done a lot for my career.
Why waste time finding the cause? Support departments reinstall because it fixes the problem, and saves days and weeks of screwing around. You can have a customer up and running again in less than 10 minutes.. efficiency.
Have you ever worked supporting desktop PCs? If you believe that the uptime of a machine is of top priority you are so very wrong.
If an installation of an operating system on a PC becomes corrupted, clean it off and install a fresh image. If an IT support department is going to invest in individual installations for each user, they are out of their mind.
Technical support people who are linux-minded is just the tip of the iceburg. What about when users need application support? You are going to need a linux helpdesk. What about when a problem hits your top support tier and there's nowhere else to go?
The investment in software includes an investment in SUPPORT. For organizations like this it is well worth it. Sure, you can run linux at home on your workstation no worries. Do you think this is how companies and organizations do business? No way.
Is this in the context of server operating systems or desktop operating systems? Novell sure isn't a desktop OS (infact it isn't even an OS, its a company). If I have been reading this entire story correctly, the focus is on Desktop Operating Systems.
Of course your gateway machine isn't going to go down. It loads a couple of daemons into RAM on startup and that's it. I'm sure if you loaded up solitaire on that windows 98 machine and left it going for months it would run fine. An application like IE which is a little more memory and CPU intensive than that has reason to freeze more often.
Windows won't just break itself. What you need to ask yourself is what you are doing to break it. Competent users should have no problems. My windows workstation requires no more or less maintenance than my linux workstation which are both similarly spec'ed and which both hold their own place, but don't ask me to replace my Windows machine with the linux one because it's impractical and the only way to get anything done is to USE THE CORRECT TOOL FOR THE JOB.
PS for those who haven't visited us here, Canberra is not that small. And while this project is based in North Canberra, there are people attempting to achieve the same thing in South Canberra. It would be difficult to link the two networks wirelessly as there is a fair distance between the sites at North and South Canberra.
Wake the fuck up buddy. The moderation system is not to gratify you every time you squeeze your soul into a post to grab for all the karma you can get your hands on. It is to weed the good from the bad. If your post really is all that, then it will be in turn moderated back up by a moderator who appreciates it. You are not justified to bitch and complain every time someone with moderator access makes a choice you would not. You are not a benchmark for moderators to base their opinions on.
Are you here to contribute to a discussion, or are you just here for the pissing contest?
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It is not the responsibility of IRC networks to hide a user's identity. These values are used to identify anonymous users on IRC to stop much wider abuse that would come with masking these.
There is nothing wrong with the IRC protocol, which is no more or less susceptable to DoS attacks than any other service. If it aint broke, there is no reason to fix it.
How is this situation any different to the web servers (and associated networks) that were DOSed last year? Is the web in trouble? The only thing this has to do with IRC is that the servers targetted are IRC servers.
The IRC protocol(s) are being actively developed by different groups every day. Why reinvent the wheel?
download the diff
Still 1997.6 versions behind.
I'd have to disagree. Half assed is better than nothing. And supporting linux is a choice that they had to make, and it possibly cost them a lot of resources. If they hadn't touched linux at all they wouldn't be dealing with this negativity and I think it is much more important to get vendors interested than to stand behind them with a whip and a deadline.
I would suggest 2 clicks, otherwise that $10,000 should just cover his legal defence when Amazon sues his ass.
thanks for sharing
Which raises the question, was it the text or the posting of the text that was flamebait. Someone might have just rated linus' email -1 flamebait.
I don't understand why functionality should be taken from the kernel? Sure it may be rare for equipment like this to be in use but every time you take away a feature you take away flexibility. With bandwidth and disk space as abundant as it is today, the size of the kernel is not such an issue. It seems a waste to me.
Why would you need cable modems for this?
You're a fucking idiot. IT professionals don't have to know or use linux to be good at their job. I'm sure you would have zero experience with some of the systems I use in my job, but does that make you bad at yours?
I think you missed an important word here
USE
A sysadmin's job is not to do employee's work. Who is going to train an ENTIRE company/organization to do their job with a new OS and application suite?
I'm sorry, but every post of yours I have seen is a piece of shit and it's quite painful just to read your comments.
You installed a THIRD PARTY APPLICATION for christs sake. This application can be DIRECTLY linked to the problem, and therefore it is THEIR FUCKING FAULT.
How is this a fault of windows?
Unless they are also an administrator or have ownership of the file, this isn't possible anyway.
Show me a corporate setup where users save documents to the hard drive?
I have never met a user who has a particular problem with a setup where they have a home drive mapped. In fact it makes sense to them.. home is in H:
As for user configuration for the GUI going into a subdirectory, this is not true. With roaming network profiles it gets saved to a network drive, allowing it to be retrieved from any machine on the network.
You should take a look at corporate windows networks sometime, the network integration is simple.
No offense, to all of you that wasted time and money to achieve being a MCSE
That statement is extremely offensive. Do you somehow think that the number of MCSEs somehow affects the level of the education provided by the certification? I found it invaluable. Aparrently somehow it is a waste of time and money to advance your IT skills, but it has done a lot for my career.
Why waste time finding the cause? Support departments reinstall because it fixes the problem, and saves days and weeks of screwing around. You can have a customer up and running again in less than 10 minutes.. efficiency.
Have you ever worked supporting desktop PCs? If you believe that the uptime of a machine is of top priority you are so very wrong.
If an installation of an operating system on a PC becomes corrupted, clean it off and install a fresh image. If an IT support department is going to invest in individual installations for each user, they are out of their mind.
Technical support people who are linux-minded is just the tip of the iceburg. What about when users need application support? You are going to need a linux helpdesk. What about when a problem hits your top support tier and there's nowhere else to go?
The investment in software includes an investment in SUPPORT. For organizations like this it is well worth it. Sure, you can run linux at home on your workstation no worries. Do you think this is how companies and organizations do business? No way.
Is this in the context of server operating systems or desktop operating systems? Novell sure isn't a desktop OS (infact it isn't even an OS, its a company). If I have been reading this entire story correctly, the focus is on Desktop Operating Systems.
Of course your gateway machine isn't going to go down. It loads a couple of daemons into RAM on startup and that's it. I'm sure if you loaded up solitaire on that windows 98 machine and left it going for months it would run fine. An application like IE which is a little more memory and CPU intensive than that has reason to freeze more often.
Windows won't just break itself. What you need to ask yourself is what you are doing to break it. Competent users should have no problems. My windows workstation requires no more or less maintenance than my linux workstation which are both similarly spec'ed and which both hold their own place, but don't ask me to replace my Windows machine with the linux one because it's impractical and the only way to get anything done is to USE THE CORRECT TOOL FOR THE JOB.
"Canberra Technology" - 139,000
behind creating the Internet, of course
Well, duh
ESR for president
PS for those who haven't visited us here, Canberra is not that small. And while this project is based in North Canberra, there are people attempting to achieve the same thing in South Canberra. It would be difficult to link the two networks wirelessly as there is a fair distance between the sites at North and South Canberra.
Wake the fuck up buddy. The moderation system is not to gratify you every time you squeeze your soul into a post to grab for all the karma you can get your hands on. It is to weed the good from the bad. If your post really is all that, then it will be in turn moderated back up by a moderator who appreciates it. You are not justified to bitch and complain every time someone with moderator access makes a choice you would not. You are not a benchmark for moderators to base their opinions on.
Are you here to contribute to a discussion, or are you just here for the pissing contest?