Gnome and KDE can't merge, but they can unify some of their interfaces. Here, in my opinion is what they need to do, which don't appear to be on freedesk yet.
Ditch the Foot/K-gear and replace it with a standard menu button, something like start but better.
Unify font/color configuartion. So when I choose green with arial size 12 on KDE my gtk programs comply too.
Common shortcuts. For example, to open a tab on Konqueror you have to press ctrl+shift+n while mozilla and freinds use ctrl+t, Konqueror should switch to ctrl+t!
Standards for icons/emblems/backgrounds
Unified help/control system (man and/etc don't count), we need to be using gconf&scrollkeeper!
STANDRARD BUTTON ORDER! THIS THE MOST IMPORTANT! And make it easy to switch. People usually say yes or no! Not no or yes in real life.
I have two of them! Work well in Linux too. I bought them after going through three wheel mice in just two years. The USB interface is good, as i can plug it into the usb ports on my keyboard so I can move it around more easily!
Debian is not including gnome 2.4 until 2004!
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You will have to stick to the legacy 1.4 desktop until January 2004. Remember, please, for the benifet of the whole open source empire STOP using debian. Please swtich to a Real distro such as Mandrake, Gentoo or Lindows/OS
Gnome 2.4 has some *serious* usabillity problems
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Heres my experiance. I have two machines that I use often. A laptop with Redhat Severn, which has gnome 2.2.x, and Mandrake Cooker on my main box that now runs 2.4. I have found the Gnome 2.4 desktop to be harder to use. Before Gnome 2.2 came out I used to use KDE for workgroups edition on both my machines. Here are the problems. I *did* report bugs, I *did* complain, but nobody listened to me, and when they did I got flamed by the feature police. And I will now tell you why I will be going back to KDE 3.2 when it comes out!
I won't be stating the obvious, I will be stating more deep and serious issues.
1) File-roller is harder to use.
In gnome 2.2, when you right-click a.tar/zip file you get the option to "Extract here" (which is what 95% of users want) or "Extract to somewhere else" (which the power users want). How ever, the File roller development team screwed the majoirty of users by removing extract here. There were several bugs about this reported, and they were rudley marked "wontfix" because they wanted to make users do more clicks.
2) Gnome Panel is now harder to use.
Although the simplified panel structure is easier to use, the configuartion dialog isn't. They have removed the Dropbox which has the sizes from X-small to XX-large (which is very intuitve, as it creates a metafor for sizes) with more confusing spinbox with the confusing "pixels" size (newbies don't know that their monitor is made of little dots, and may not get what a "pixel" is. The visual positioning box was removed by a more confusing drop box! The Foot icon (which is a violation of the HIG, Section 9.10, which says NOT to use body parts as icons (the picture is a G shaped monkey foot). They should allow easy configuation of the menu icon (as it used to in 1.4, and use a non offensive icon by default). The workspace switcher now has a limit of just 36 workspaces, compared to the 100 in gnome 2 and the infinty of gnome 2.0! You may argue people don't need that many, but when users are doing advanced work, and need to think in GRIDs and heirachies, very essential when working on large graphics and admistering multiple machines. I know some developers that use around 50-500(!) desktops when doing some SERIOUS work. I only use around 8-12, so this dosen't effect me, but others will.
3) Gnome harder to configure More features, which EVEN NORMAL USERS USE, have misteriously dissappered. Either forcing them to use the atrious gconf-editor or flee to other CONFIGUREABLE desktops like Windows and KDE. Not to mention that "auto apply" is very dangerous, I've been burnt by it too many times already!
4) Epiphany is not ready for primetime. The ability to add subtopics in bookmarks have been removed (not even AOL users are this dumb), its still VERY unreliable, and its not the mozilla engine's fault, its epiphanies. The documentation is only half written, and the download dialog needs a lot of usabillity work. Idealy, this should of been 0.9.4, but it seems obviously rushed.
I have other problems, but other people have already complained about that. The gnome team really need to have another usabilty test, and ask ALL types of users, from newbies, experts, designers, developers, architects, secitaries, managers and children to get the best of all worlds, not some Hypothetical "Joe Aol" (and aols got more features than epiphany anyway).
I have a lot of experiance in designing GUIS, with experiance in Visual Basic, Curses and Qt, but I'm only new to GTK, and the developers still have a lot to learn about good gui design.
I am sorry to announce this, but the eagerly awaited gnome 2.4 is a piece of SHIT! Please either stick to Gnome 2.2 or use the new KDE 3.2 alpha!.
Here is why GNOME 2.4 is shit!
Still has that shitty file dialog!
File roller has removed the extract here option from the right click menu, now you have go through about 5 menus just to extract a file
Metashitty still dosen't support button reordering
Nautilus still dosen't have split pane support!
The new panel architecture sucks! Its harder to use and configure
Epiphany, which was once going to be a lean browsing machine, has been turned into an AOL clone! Its a shameful 1.0 release, and they removed Bookmark folders, now all your bookmarks will be cluttred
Still no colour scheme changer
Wanda the fish stil looks gay
Totem still crashes on avi files
The documentation is still half assed
The anti feature nazis have taken over 100 features away from Gnome since 2.2, I can't list them all, figure it out for yourself
bonobo-slay still owns your dialogs
The smelly foot is still there, with NO WAY TO change it, since the feature police took it away.
Please boycott gnome until they put the features back, A REALLY PISSED GNOME USER! WHEN KDE 3.2 ALPHA COMES OUT I'M SWITCHING! WILL YOU?
make make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory `/home/norman/Development/storage/libstorage' Mak ing all in libstorage make[2]: Entering directory `/home/norman/Development/storage/libstorage/libst orage' if/bin/sh../libtool --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -pthread -DORBIT2=1 -I/usr/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/include/gnome-vfs-module-2.0 -I/usr/include/pygtk-2.0 -g -O2 -MT storage-item.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/storage-item.Tpo" \
-c -o storage-item.lo `test -f 'storage-item.c' || echo './'`storage-item.c; \then mv -f ".deps/storage-item.Tpo" ".deps/storage-item.Plo"; \ else rm -f ".deps/storage-item.Tpo"; exit 1; \ fi rm -f.libs/storage-item.lo gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -pthread -DORBIT2=1 -I/usr/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/include/gnome-vfs-module-2.0 -I/usr/include/pygtk-2.0 -g -O2 -MT storage-item.lo -MD -MP -MF.deps/storage-item.Tpo -c storage-item.c -fPIC -DPIC -o.libs/storage-item.lo storage-item.c:7:44: libpq-fe.h: No such file or directory storage-item.c:8:28: libpq/libpq-fs.h: No such file or directory storage-item.c:34: error: syntax error before '*' token storage-item.c:35: error: syntax error before '*' token storage-item.c:35: warning: data definition has no type or storage class storage-item.c: In function `storage_get_table_from_type': storage-item.c:212 : error: `stderr' undeclared (first use in this function) storage-item.c:212: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once storage-item.c:212: error: for each function it appears in.) storage-item.c: At top level: storage-item.c:220: error: syntax error before '*' token storage-item.c:220: warning: data definition has no type or storage class storage-item.c:221: error: syntax error before '*' token storage-item.c:221: warning: data definition has no type or storage class storage-item.c:222: error: syntax error before '*' token storage-item.c:223: warning: data definition has no type or storage class storage-item.c:224: error: syntax error before '*' token storage-item.c:225: warning: data definition has no type or storage class storage-item.c:226: error: syntax error before '*' token storage-item.c:227: warning: data definition has no type or storage class storage-item.c:228: error: syntax error before '*' token storage-item.c:228: warning: data definition has no type or storage class storage-item.c: In function `storage_item_get_matches': storage-item.c:283: error: `PGresult' undeclared (first use in this function) storage-item.c:283: error: `results' undeclared (first use in this function) storage-item.c:289: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast storage-item.c: In function `storage_item_get_query_results': storage-item.c: 307: error: `PGresult' undeclared (first use in this function) storage-item.c:307: error: `results' undeclared (first use in this function) storage-item.c:330: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast storage-item.c:342: warning: passing arg 1 of `g_strdup' makes pointer from integer without a cast storage-item.c:343: warning: passing arg 1 of `g_strdup' makes pointer from integer without a cast storage-item.c: In function `storage_item_cache_soup': storage-item.c:360: error: `PGresult' undeclared (first use in this function) storage-item.c:360: error: `results' undeclared (first use in this function) storage-item.c:371: warning: passing arg 2 of `g_hash_table_lookup' makes pointer from integer without a cast s
I'm currently running Mandrake Cooker and its coming on nicely over the last few weeks. Some things to look forward to is the new Gnome 2.4 desktop (along with loads of new apps), Kernel 2.4.22 (and an optional 2.6-test kernel for the adventureous!), KDE 3.1.3, which is now very stable. If you like gnome, but don't like Redhat's version, then Mandrake 9.2 is for you!
It's also very stable, unlike my experiance of 8.1!
A lot of the web comics are poor quality, make obvious jokes, and have lame characters. Sure there are some good ones. and I do like the cheap laughts, but reducing the barrier to entry also reduce the quality level.
I can offer an opinion. Although OpenOffice 1.1 is a lot faster, it still needs to be more user freindly. I think they need a usabillity study, once its user freindly it will gain a lot more user share. I think they should work with the gnome team since they are good at this kind of thing.
For example, it took me a real long time to figure out how to change the slide background in Impres, make it easier.
More cooperation with freedesktop standards (like the ximian version) will make it more consistant and feel more native to the desktop, rather than jus looking like a "port".
It happens all the time. Even in the Opensource community it does. KDE 3.1, Debian 3.0 and Linux 2.4 are prime examples of when software gets delayed to make sure it works properly.
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I have two of them! Work well in Linux too. I bought them after going through three wheel mice in just two years. The USB interface is good, as i can plug it into the usb ports on my keyboard so I can move it around more easily!
You will have to stick to the legacy 1.4 desktop until January 2004. Remember, please, for the benifet of the whole open source empire STOP using debian. Please swtich to a Real distro such as Mandrake, Gentoo or Lindows/OS
Heres my experiance. I have two machines that I use often. A laptop with Redhat Severn, which has gnome 2.2.x, and Mandrake Cooker on my main box that now runs 2.4. I have found the Gnome 2.4 desktop to be harder to use. Before Gnome 2.2 came out I used to use KDE for workgroups edition on both my machines. Here are the problems. I *did* report bugs, I *did* complain, but nobody listened to me, and when they did I got flamed by the feature police. And I will now tell you why I will be going back to KDE 3.2 when it comes out!
.tar/zip file you get the option to "Extract here" (which is what 95% of users want) or "Extract to somewhere else" (which the power users want). How ever, the File roller development team screwed the majoirty of users by removing extract here. There were several bugs about this reported, and they were rudley marked "wontfix" because they wanted to make users do more clicks.
I won't be stating the obvious, I will be stating more deep and serious issues.
1) File-roller is harder to use.
In gnome 2.2, when you right-click a
2) Gnome Panel is now harder to use.
Although the simplified panel structure is easier to use, the configuartion dialog isn't. They have removed the Dropbox which has the sizes from X-small to XX-large (which is very intuitve, as it creates a metafor for sizes) with more confusing spinbox with the confusing "pixels" size (newbies don't know that their monitor is made of little dots, and may not get what a "pixel" is. The visual positioning box was removed by a more confusing drop box! The Foot icon (which is a violation of the HIG, Section 9.10, which says NOT to use body parts as icons (the picture is a G shaped monkey foot). They should allow easy configuation of the menu icon (as it used to in 1.4, and use a non offensive icon by default). The workspace switcher now has a limit of just 36 workspaces, compared to the 100 in gnome 2 and the infinty of gnome 2.0! You may argue people don't need that many, but when users are doing advanced work, and need to think in GRIDs and heirachies, very essential when working on large graphics and admistering multiple machines. I know some developers that use around 50-500(!) desktops when doing some SERIOUS work. I only use around 8-12, so this dosen't effect me, but others will.
3) Gnome harder to configure
More features, which EVEN NORMAL USERS USE, have misteriously dissappered. Either forcing them to use the atrious gconf-editor or flee to other CONFIGUREABLE desktops like Windows and KDE. Not to mention that "auto apply" is very dangerous, I've been burnt by it too many times already!
4) Epiphany is not ready for primetime.
The ability to add subtopics in bookmarks have been removed (not even AOL users are this dumb), its still VERY unreliable, and its not the mozilla engine's fault, its epiphanies. The documentation is only half written, and the download dialog needs a lot of usabillity work. Idealy, this should of been 0.9.4, but it seems obviously rushed.
I have other problems, but other people have already complained about that. The gnome team really need to have another usabilty test, and ask ALL types of users, from newbies, experts, designers, developers, architects, secitaries, managers and children to get the best of all worlds, not some Hypothetical "Joe Aol" (and aols got more features than epiphany anyway).
I have a lot of experiance in designing GUIS, with experiance in Visual Basic, Curses and Qt, but I'm only new to GTK, and the developers still have a lot to learn about good gui design.
Here is why GNOME 2.4 is shit!
Please boycott gnome until they put the features back, A REALLY PISSED GNOME USER! WHEN KDE 3.2 ALPHA COMES OUT I'M SWITCHING! WILL YOU?
See my.sig!
PUT BACK "Extract here" you feature stealing fucks!
Anybody understand this error?
/bin/sh ../libtool --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -pthread -DORBIT2=1 -I/usr/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/include/gnome-vfs-module-2.0 -I/usr/include/pygtk-2.0 -g -O2 -MT storage-item.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/storage-item.Tpo" \ .libs/storage-item.lo .deps/storage-item.Tpo -c storage-item.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/storage-item.lo
make
make all-recursive
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/norman/Development/storage/libstorage'
Mak ing all in libstorage
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/norman/Development/storage/libstorage/libst orage'
if
-c -o storage-item.lo `test -f 'storage-item.c' || echo './'`storage-item.c; \then mv -f ".deps/storage-item.Tpo" ".deps/storage-item.Plo"; \
else rm -f ".deps/storage-item.Tpo"; exit 1; \
fi
rm -f
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -pthread -DORBIT2=1 -I/usr/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/include/gnome-vfs-module-2.0 -I/usr/include/pygtk-2.0 -g -O2 -MT storage-item.lo -MD -MP -MF
storage-item.c:7:44: libpq-fe.h: No such file or directory
storage-item.c:8:28: libpq/libpq-fs.h: No such file or directory
storage-item.c:34: error: syntax error before '*' token
storage-item.c:35: error: syntax error before '*' token
storage-item.c:35: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
storage-item.c: In function `storage_get_table_from_type':
storage-item.c:212 : error: `stderr' undeclared (first use in this function)
storage-item.c:212: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
storage-item.c:212: error: for each function it appears in.)
storage-item.c: At top level:
storage-item.c:220: error: syntax error before '*' token
storage-item.c:220: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
storage-item.c:221: error: syntax error before '*' token
storage-item.c:221: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
storage-item.c:222: error: syntax error before '*' token
storage-item.c:223: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
storage-item.c:224: error: syntax error before '*' token
storage-item.c:225: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
storage-item.c:226: error: syntax error before '*' token
storage-item.c:227: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
storage-item.c:228: error: syntax error before '*' token
storage-item.c:228: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
storage-item.c: In function `storage_item_get_matches':
storage-item.c:283: error: `PGresult' undeclared (first use in this function)
storage-item.c:283: error: `results' undeclared (first use in this function)
storage-item.c:289: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
storage-item.c: In function `storage_item_get_query_results':
storage-item.c: 307: error: `PGresult' undeclared (first use in this function)
storage-item.c:307: error: `results' undeclared (first use in this function)
storage-item.c:330: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
storage-item.c:342: warning: passing arg 1 of `g_strdup' makes pointer from integer without a cast
storage-item.c:343: warning: passing arg 1 of `g_strdup' makes pointer from integer without a cast
storage-item.c: In function `storage_item_cache_soup':
storage-item.c:360: error: `PGresult' undeclared (first use in this function)
storage-item.c:360: error: `results' undeclared (first use in this function)
storage-item.c:371: warning: passing arg 2 of `g_hash_table_lookup' makes pointer from integer without a cast
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If they Offered a online music store compatible with Linux in europe, they would have my money!
Froogle Price comparision for this book.
The Price of itunes files rose to $970!
0F JIZZ SQURTING UP Y0UR ASS!
I have a broadband dick going up my ass, its at least 60 mm in diameter!
I'm currently running Mandrake Cooker and its coming on nicely over the last few weeks. Some things to look forward to is the new Gnome 2.4 desktop (along with loads of new apps), Kernel 2.4.22 (and an optional 2.6-test kernel for the adventureous!), KDE 3.1.3, which is now very stable. If you like gnome, but don't like Redhat's version, then Mandrake 9.2 is for you!
It's also very stable, unlike my experiance of 8.1!
A lot of the web comics are poor quality, make obvious jokes, and have lame characters. Sure there are some good ones. and I do like the cheap laughts, but reducing the barrier to entry also reduce the quality level.
I can offer an opinion. Although OpenOffice 1.1 is a lot faster, it still needs to be more user freindly. I think they need a usabillity study, once its user freindly it will gain a lot more user share. I think they should work with the gnome team since they are good at this kind of thing.
For example, it took me a real long time to figure out how to change the slide background in Impres, make it easier.
More cooperation with freedesktop standards (like the ximian version) will make it more consistant and feel more native to the desktop, rather than jus looking like a "port".
Froogle price comparision of this book!
Mirror, courtesy of Google cache!
Google has a fish too!.
Did microsoft employ debian develoeprs in their management? Only the debian developers know how to delay stuff this bad.
Windows 95 did have USB suupport, just that it avalible only as an OEM version, Windows 95 SR2.
It happens all the time. Even in the Opensource community it does. KDE 3.1, Debian 3.0 and Linux 2.4 are prime examples of when software gets delayed to make sure it works properly.