Yes, there are thousands of APIs available but guess what none of them are as tried and tested as Cocoa, none of them are written and designed by the same people that made both the language and API you are using. And the real point I was making, none of them come as STANDARD FUNCTIONALITY for the API.
Obviously it's you that doesn't know what your talking about. I just opened a QT app, dcgui-qt. I tried the nice and simple emacs key bindings, CTRL-A, CTRL-E, CTRL-U, CTRL-K, CTRL-Y. Guess what, NONE OF THEM WORKED.
You simply do not understand the sheer amount of free functionality that comes with Cocoa widgets. A short run down of things that I got for free that are not in the QT app right in front of me:
- Text Editing Keybindings (emacs ones, system specific)
- Drag & Drop ( drag text from and to the text input/field )
- Focus rings ( denote an actve text field )
As for other free functionality, just browse through the Cocoa libraries and you see that ther eis ALOT more free functionality to be had under Cocoa than either wxWindows nor QT can muster, because everything you just said is basic functionality I expect from an API.
Too bad it uses more CPU, has lower framerates, skips more and overall needs more CPU to do less work. Quicktime is awesome on the mac, it is simply in a class outside of everything else. With http://www.3ivx.com installed you Divx and Xvid movies even play back better and again with lower resource use than mplayer.
If you think the Mplayer GUI app is good you are seriously smoking some UI crack. Mplayer's GUI is retarded and stresses a playlist over the media itself, add to that the fact that the player and controller are two seperate apps and make no real effort to hide that fact.
That said, I too use mplayer but for reasons completely different from your own, I like the full screen controls, since it actually has them, whereas QT does not. I like the full screen gui, aka the text notifications of location and play/pause/etc. Another thing is that its launched from a terminal, and can be controlled from there too, so its usually a toss up between the controls of mplayer filename or the ease of open filename.
Lastly QT plays more formats than mac mplayer currently because the mac version is limited to libavcodec and flac since everything else was provided through linux codecs. BTW, I said more formats, just you wont notice since mplayer plays *some* rm, and asf, wmv files which QT will never play until some OSS guru writes a codec out of the goodness of thier heart.
I barely made it through this post, but here it goes.
File Management:
You can recreate this file list + tree thing is easy. Set to list view then turn off all the columns.
Icon View can be ordered as more than Name, it includes date modified, date created, size and kind.
As a matter of fact all the 6 views in windows can be recreated by using the View Options control panel (Cmd-J).
Also Column View supports spring lodaed folders so the easily movings things point is moot. Also copy and paste is supported for copying files as was covered in the section on drag and drop. It was mentioned as a blurb.
File Systems
NFS is transparent from any other fs. I had several user's accounts NFS mounted and none of them ever had a problem. Though i do agree that SMB and FTP is flaky, the rest is simply untrue.
Anyway, afaik, it's the application's choice whether or not to create a new, instance.
That's another problem with windows the non standard launch, Instance versus foreground. Just so you know IE does do this it launches a new instance everytime you click on it. Hotline also did it.
NO, it won't. The reason that Limewire sucks so bad is that way back when thier app didn't redraw things properly they added new code that messed with the window server in order to make Limewire draw properly. Every thing that touches any screen space with Limewire starts warping and can do wierd things. Everyone please email the Limewire people and tell them to stop doing this, it is the single reason i stopped using Limewire and have yet to ever install it again nor even bother with another release.
NO it won't. Acquisition does not use any Java code they have used things from LImewire, yes, but that doesn't mean they used thier source merely that what Limewire does they also can.
Ctrl-PgUp and Ctrl-PgDown are nowehere near as intuitive as Cmd-Shift-Left, Cmd-Shift-Right.
Secondly though Mozilla doeshave the functionality you say it is pointed out in no menus whatsoever. I knew of this functionailty because of Chimera. In mozilla the shortcuts you mention don't show up in any menu not even the tab menu you get when you right click on a tab.
I'm just pointing out that if a feature is there but not clearly listed it might as well not be there. Cmd-Shift-Left/right is obvious since if Cmd-left/right go forward and back obviosuly you need a modifier to move through tabs and shift is the closest one.
9.2.2 is less stable than 9.1 first of all and that is because its only a build to appease the demands of Mac OS X. As to optimization, 9.2.2 is the result of over 10 years of optimization and computers growing magnitudes faster over that time. 10.2 is 2 years worth of optimizations, and the amout of optimizations that have already been made more than surpass those for 9.
QuickDraw meets its older and wiser brethren Quartz and Quartz Extreme. The organization is the same if not better. System Folder =/System Applications Folder =/Applications Apple Extras in/Applications Users =/Users Yes the/Library I can't sompare to 9 but it is much better than fropping stuff directly into te sytem folder since all the non essentla and third party stuff sit outside of the folder of stuff your computer needs in order to run.
And Copland could not have possibly been great besides OpenDoc which was a nice idea, there is nothing much that it would have bought us since we would still be basically using 9. And if you think Apple has trouble starting from a base like NeXTStep 4.4 what if they did try fro mscratch I think there would be a lot more bitching all around. I just don't think Apple could afford that misstep.
THe MacOS is still all those things except not some things are different then before. You can't possibly think Apple doesn't care since I personally think that the changes in Mac OS X all make sense.
Efficiency? 10.2 is super optimized, and as to UI efficiency I have seen nothing that would suggest that X is less efficient in this regard. Hell most of the time its faster with things like global window switch keys( Cmd-~ ), and applicatino switching ( Cmd-Tab ), add to that the familiar Mac OS way of doing things.
As to familiarity with windows. Almost all the things you could argue are windowsesque are from NeXT and thier implementation of them predate Window's.
Apple has always thought that the user is more important since they will be using it all the damn time. I don't have a qoute unfortunately.
Actually... You can you your/etc/groups and/etc/passwd files to create users in X. All you have to do is go to/Applications/Utilities/Directory\ Access.app
Then check BSD Configuration Files on. That is all since lookupd is configured by default like so: Cache FF DNS NI DS
Notice that Flat Files show up before NetInfo.
By turning this on you also get/etc/fstab, and/etc/hosts not being ignored. Happy UNIXing in Mac OS X.
P.S. This only exists because people like yourself complained during 10.1 and Apple added it for 10.1 so people whenever you feel something is subpar or could be better, http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/. Let Apple know.
Apple has always included the most requested features by users. That is the reason why the Mac OS is so good in the first place, it has what users want in it. If you request any feature in any Apple product enough you do get it.
How you think this is in any ways like Windows is beyond me. Tabs are not in IE, neither on the Mac nor on windows. Tabs are a Mozilla/Opera invention, much better on Mozilla's side. They were improved in practice in Chimera with quick key shortcuts to navigate from tab to tab and Safar has inherited these. Try Command-Shift-Left, Command-Shift-Right, they will cycle right and left through your open tabs.
However, if you prefer a company that doesn't listen to its customers, and would rather do what they want then waht users obviously want, then I don't see how you could like Apple, the company, not its computers.
Arghh, I really should use the preview button.
Anyways The images in the last link though bearing a similiarity show many things that the iPod OS doesn't do for reasons of simplicity. If Piso provides an API I would be more likely to believe Apple used it than just licensed had Pixo do it all for them, especially considering the credit issue I mentioned about the boot screen and legal sections of the iPod.
Prove it. Many people say that Apple doesn't make the software for the iPod but I have yet to see one shred of evidence saying that. I am well aware that the chip in the iPod is made by another company who does make software to go with said chip, but I don't see the likelihood of handing off the OS to be made by someone else, especially not from Apple's perspective on all things UI.
After Gnome and KDE come to terms on what the new HI guidelines should be they should then create a new weel defiend API in which most of the functionailty is pre-defined according to HI Guidelines.
On Mac OS X using Cocoa or Carbon, Interface Builder takes care of almost all the HI issues, though you can still violate HI guidelines if you try hard enough, Everything from layout to spacing is pre-defined.
Personally, I feel this would get developers to make Apps that actually follow these new guidelines since the developer had a tradeoff of gaining a rapid GUI development platform that follows UI guidelines as well as having to write less code to do it.
From experience, the Interface Builder provided with the Mac OS X developer tools is the greatest GUI development tool, i have ever had the pleasure of working with, if KDE/Gnome provides me with something similiar I would consider doing development on the linux platform again.
Well if he isn't contributing Debian CDs or install CDs for any of the many distros out there what use is he? Besides Linux insall cds and source code, which he already said is too boring for him, I don't see how he can be of benefit to any one on a p2p network.
You should have sent feedback to Apple about this to Apple. iCal gets its time from the System Time and assumes your calendar is relative to that. The spec that it follows, has no support for relative timezones so In order to conpensate for them, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TELL APPLE TO ADD THIS.
I know that people may become engrained with software not working how it should since they accept so much piss poor software on the PC, that you merely accept it. On the mac things don't work the same, our software is better because we demand that it be, in vocal emails to program authors and providing feedback for things we find lacking in software.
Its more than just a computer, its an ideology about how things should be. That is why things are better on our side.
His point is probably the one that I was already trying to make. In other threads:
Everyone seems to be forgetting that what really makes Microsoft wrong in this instance is that they had a hand in making the MPEG4 licensing terms what they are. So it could be effectively argued that they held out on agreeing to its licensing terms until it was at a sufficiently high enough price to marginalize its effectiveness as an open standard. After which they then put in the final nail so to speak with this action.
And even though MS's software may not always be the most robust, they are always one step ahead on legalese.
So basically it could be that MS joins these standards committiees, for the mere ability to shoot the end product in the foot. Seriously why would MS sit on the OpenGL board if not for sabotage since currently DirctX9 does more than OpenGL, it could be that they are merely going to select to add a few features in te OpenGL2 spec then bastardize that to add to DirectX10.
And that my friends is the Microsoft that we all know and love soo much.
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Yes, there are thousands of APIs available but guess what none of them are as tried and tested as Cocoa, none of them are written and designed by the same people that made both the language and API you are using. And the real point I was making, none of them come as STANDARD FUNCTIONALITY for the API.
Obviously it's you that doesn't know what your talking about. I just opened a QT app, dcgui-qt. I tried the nice and simple emacs key bindings, CTRL-A, CTRL-E, CTRL-U, CTRL-K, CTRL-Y. Guess what, NONE OF THEM WORKED. You simply do not understand the sheer amount of free functionality that comes with Cocoa widgets. A short run down of things that I got for free that are not in the QT app right in front of me: - Text Editing Keybindings (emacs ones, system specific) - Drag & Drop ( drag text from and to the text input/field ) - Focus rings ( denote an actve text field ) As for other free functionality, just browse through the Cocoa libraries and you see that ther eis ALOT more free functionality to be had under Cocoa than either wxWindows nor QT can muster, because everything you just said is basic functionality I expect from an API.
Actually it would be harder since Windows had Quicktime at least, but now they would have to write that from scratch too.
Too bad it uses more CPU, has lower framerates, skips more and overall needs more CPU to do less work. Quicktime is awesome on the mac, it is simply in a class outside of everything else. With http://www.3ivx.com installed you Divx and Xvid movies even play back better and again with lower resource use than mplayer.
If you think the Mplayer GUI app is good you are seriously smoking some UI crack. Mplayer's GUI is retarded and stresses a playlist over the media itself, add to that the fact that the player and controller are two seperate apps and make no real effort to hide that fact.
That said, I too use mplayer but for reasons completely different from your own, I like the full screen controls, since it actually has them, whereas QT does not. I like the full screen gui, aka the text notifications of location and play/pause/etc. Another thing is that its launched from a terminal, and can be controlled from there too, so its usually a toss up between the controls of mplayer filename or the ease of open filename.
Lastly QT plays more formats than mac mplayer currently because the mac version is limited to libavcodec and flac since everything else was provided through linux codecs. BTW, I said more formats, just you wont notice since mplayer plays *some* rm, and asf, wmv files which QT will never play until some OSS guru writes a codec out of the goodness of thier heart.
You must mean the IT folk, last I checked there was no CS in a can degree out there.
I barely made it through this post, but here it goes.
File Management:
You can recreate this file list + tree thing is easy. Set to list view then turn off all the columns. Icon View can be ordered as more than Name, it includes date modified, date created, size and kind. As a matter of fact all the 6 views in windows can be recreated by using the View Options control panel (Cmd-J). Also Column View supports spring lodaed folders so the easily movings things point is moot. Also copy and paste is supported for copying files as was covered in the section on drag and drop. It was mentioned as a blurb.
File Systems
NFS is transparent from any other fs. I had several user's accounts NFS mounted and none of them ever had a problem. Though i do agree that SMB and FTP is flaky, the rest is simply untrue.
The rest I just couldn't care less about.
Anyway, afaik, it's the application's choice whether or not to create a new, instance.
That's another problem with windows the non standard launch, Instance versus foreground. Just so you know IE does do this it launches a new instance everytime you click on it. Hotline also did it.
I think its faster to shift+return. I never saw the value in using the menus in this way. Expert users merely know the key commands.
NO, it won't. The reason that Limewire sucks so bad is that way back when thier app didn't redraw things properly they added new code that messed with the window server in order to make Limewire draw properly. Every thing that touches any screen space with Limewire starts warping and can do wierd things. Everyone please email the Limewire people and tell them to stop doing this, it is the single reason i stopped using Limewire and have yet to ever install it again nor even bother with another release.
NO it won't. Acquisition does not use any Java code they have used things from LImewire, yes, but that doesn't mean they used thier source merely that what Limewire does they also can.
Spelling matters not. Had it not been for my horrendous typing that would have read You can edit use your...
Ctrl-PgUp and Ctrl-PgDown are nowehere near as intuitive as Cmd-Shift-Left, Cmd-Shift-Right. Secondly though Mozilla doeshave the functionality you say it is pointed out in no menus whatsoever. I knew of this functionailty because of Chimera. In mozilla the shortcuts you mention don't show up in any menu not even the tab menu you get when you right click on a tab. I'm just pointing out that if a feature is there but not clearly listed it might as well not be there. Cmd-Shift-Left/right is obvious since if Cmd-left/right go forward and back obviosuly you need a modifier to move through tabs and shift is the closest one.
9.2.2 is less stable than 9.1 first of all and that is because its only a build to appease the demands of Mac OS X. As to optimization, 9.2.2 is the result of over 10 years of optimization and computers growing magnitudes faster over that time. 10.2 is 2 years worth of optimizations, and the amout of optimizations that have already been made more than surpass those for 9.
/System /Applications /Applications /Users /Library I can't sompare to 9 but it is much better than fropping stuff directly into te sytem folder since all the non essentla and third party stuff sit outside of the folder of stuff your computer needs in order to run.
QuickDraw meets its older and wiser brethren Quartz and Quartz Extreme.
The organization is the same if not better.
System Folder =
Applications Folder =
Apple Extras in
Users =
Yes the
And Copland could not have possibly been great besides OpenDoc which was a nice idea, there is nothing much that it would have bought us since we would still be basically using 9. And if you think Apple has trouble starting from a base like NeXTStep 4.4 what if they did try fro mscratch I think there would be a lot more bitching all around. I just don't think Apple could afford that misstep.
THe MacOS is still all those things except not some things are different then before. You can't possibly think Apple doesn't care since I personally think that the changes in Mac OS X all make sense.
Efficiency? 10.2 is super optimized, and as to UI efficiency I have seen nothing that would suggest that X is less efficient in this regard. Hell most of the time its faster with things like global window switch keys( Cmd-~ ), and applicatino switching ( Cmd-Tab ), add to that the familiar Mac OS way of doing things.
As to familiarity with windows. Almost all the things you could argue are windowsesque are from NeXT and thier implementation of them predate Window's.
Apple has always thought that the user is more important since they will be using it all the damn time. I don't have a qoute unfortunately.
Actually... You can you your /etc/groups and /etc/passwd files to create users in X. All you have to do is go to /Applications/Utilities/Directory\ Access.app
/etc/fstab, and /etc/hosts not being ignored. Happy UNIXing in Mac OS X.
Then check BSD Configuration Files on.
That is all since lookupd is configured by default like so: Cache FF DNS NI DS
Notice that Flat Files show up before NetInfo.
By turning this on you also get
P.S. This only exists because people like yourself complained during 10.1 and Apple added it for 10.1 so people whenever you feel something is subpar or could be better, http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/. Let Apple know.
Apple has always included the most requested features by users. That is the reason why the Mac OS is so good in the first place, it has what users want in it. If you request any feature in any Apple product enough you do get it.
How you think this is in any ways like Windows is beyond me. Tabs are not in IE, neither on the Mac nor on windows. Tabs are a Mozilla/Opera invention, much better on Mozilla's side. They were improved in practice in Chimera with quick key shortcuts to navigate from tab to tab and Safar has inherited these. Try Command-Shift-Left, Command-Shift-Right, they will cycle right and left through your open tabs.
However, if you prefer a company that doesn't listen to its customers, and would rather do what they want then waht users obviously want, then I don't see how you could like Apple, the company, not its computers.
Arghh, I really should use the preview button. Anyways The images in the last link though bearing a similiarity show many things that the iPod OS doesn't do for reasons of simplicity. If Piso provides an API I would be more likely to believe Apple used it than just licensed had Pixo do it all for them, especially considering the credit issue I mentioned about the boot screen and legal sections of the iPod.
Though the links are all relevant, The iPod itself has one of the references you point out. Boot is a nice big apple logo, nothing else.
Prove it. Many people say that Apple doesn't make the software for the iPod but I have yet to see one shred of evidence saying that. I am well aware that the chip in the iPod is made by another company who does make software to go with said chip, but I don't see the likelihood of handing off the OS to be made by someone else, especially not from Apple's perspective on all things UI.
After Gnome and KDE come to terms on what the new HI guidelines should be they should then create a new weel defiend API in which most of the functionailty is pre-defined according to HI Guidelines.
On Mac OS X using Cocoa or Carbon, Interface Builder takes care of almost all the HI issues, though you can still violate HI guidelines if you try hard enough, Everything from layout to spacing is pre-defined.
Personally, I feel this would get developers to make Apps that actually follow these new guidelines since the developer had a tradeoff of gaining a rapid GUI development platform that follows UI guidelines as well as having to write less code to do it.
From experience, the Interface Builder provided with the Mac OS X developer tools is the greatest GUI development tool, i have ever had the pleasure of working with, if KDE/Gnome provides me with something similiar I would consider doing development on the linux platform again.
Well if he isn't contributing Debian CDs or install CDs for any of the many distros out there what use is he? Besides Linux insall cds and source code, which he already said is too boring for him, I don't see how he can be of benefit to any one on a p2p network.
You should have sent feedback to Apple about this to Apple. iCal gets its time from the System Time and assumes your calendar is relative to that. The spec that it follows, has no support for relative timezones so In order to conpensate for them, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TELL APPLE TO ADD THIS.
I know that people may become engrained with software not working how it should since they accept so much piss poor software on the PC, that you merely accept it. On the mac things don't work the same, our software is better because we demand that it be, in vocal emails to program authors and providing feedback for things we find lacking in software.
Its more than just a computer, its an ideology about how things should be. That is why things are better on our side.
With the pompous nature of the first comments, I read that as:
He wants to study computer engineering in Harvard University and eventually set up his own Internet, or computer company.
Yes, it does. It was part of the supported formats. Steve just didnt mention that. He also didn't mention Powerpoint in anyway, why? You take a guess.
His point is probably the one that I was already trying to make. In other threads:
Everyone seems to be forgetting that what really makes Microsoft wrong in this instance is that they had a hand in making the MPEG4 licensing terms what they are. So it could be effectively argued that they held out on agreeing to its licensing terms until it was at a sufficiently high enough price to marginalize its effectiveness as an open standard. After which they then put in the final nail so to speak with this action.
And even though MS's software may not always be the most robust, they are always one step ahead on legalese.
So basically it could be that MS joins these standards committiees, for the mere ability to shoot the end product in the foot. Seriously why would MS sit on the OpenGL board if not for sabotage since currently DirctX9 does more than OpenGL, it could be that they are merely going to select to add a few features in te OpenGL2 spec then bastardize that to add to DirectX10.
And that my friends is the Microsoft that we all know and love soo much.