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iTunes 4.2 and QuickTime 6.5
usr122122121 writes "iTunes 4.2 and QuickTime 6.5 were released today, available by Apple's Site and Software Update (respectively)."
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".. shortest news item, ever"
I wonder...could they have fixed the hack that Mr. Johanson made? Even on the windows version?
Just a thought...
Hm - hopefully this will fix the problem of "No One Lives Forever 2" not being able to function in Quicktime 6.4. Otherwise, I'm going to install Jaguar to my iPod and boot off that when I want some "Cate Archer" sneaking action.
52 Weeks, 52 Religions with John Hummel
Really what has been changed?
Any news on a Linux client yet for QT?
I, for one, welcome our new iTunes and QuickTime overlords.
The CB App. What's your 20?
any plans of a Linux version of iTunes? Since Mac OS X kernel is BSD, I guess porting to Linux wouldn't be that hard.
The IT section color scheme sucks.
If you're going to post release notices on /. there either needs to be compelling new features (which should appear in the /. article) or it needs to be the reslease of Duke Nukem Forever.
Now people with AOL can just use their screen name to buy songs on iTMS, and it'll be billed to their AOL account.
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Not that I would know personally now!! I read it on the website, I swear!
WARNING: If accidentally read, induce vomiting.
when it plays ogg, runs on linux, is devoid of patents, is open source, is GPLed and can first post for me.
way-too-confusing.
Ok, one expression.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Quicktime info
iTunes info
WARNING: If accidentally read, induce vomiting.
iTunes 4.2 isn't showing up in software update for me. I wonder if it's only available in the US, since it's a music store update?
MacBook Pro. Worst name since the Bicycle
Here are the "new" features.
For itunes, you can now use your aol login, and aol
wallet to pay for stuff.
Quicktime now supports the 3GPP and 3GPP2 standards
These standards are usefull for Third generation cell phones. They allow transfer of scalled video, sound, text, and just about anything as the yare track based formats.
(anyone know if the itunes breaks the support for mytunes <www.cowpimp.com> the program that lets you download thru mytumes)**
come comment on the madness at http://slashdot.org/~phreak03/journal/
A new Panther update - to 10.3.2 - is also available from SoftwareUpdate.
hopefully I can finish downloading it before it gets apple-slashdotted...
There's a good java clone of iTunes complete with Rendezvous support.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/jtunes4/
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yes with the lame plugin
members are seeing something, your seeing an ad
Are you sure it's not the guys you picked up blowing their loads on your face?
Non-unix based ?
Do you know what Mac OS X is ? It is a Window manager running on top of an open source OpenBSD dialect called Darwin. See www.opendarwin.org.
If Mac OS X is not unix, neither are OpenBSD and Linux.
When you install QuickTime 6.5, will it change all your file-type associations and over-ride attempts to change them back? Like previous versions...?
If we are going to keep up with every point release of apache, bsd, linux kernel, etc.. we might as well start keeping track of point release updates of quicktime and itunes as well..
The new iTunes Gift Certificates are a great idea. College kids can easily fire off a email to mom n' pop and have them pick one up. No wading through lines at the store, no problem.
Put your money where your mouth is
Since when were iTunes/QT considered to be non-unix based software?
With the exception of the Windows version of iTunes, both it and QT are very much "unix" based software; as is everything else that runs on OSX natively.
>A non-unix based software program
....
Ummm
Non-Unix Operating system?
-- Knowing too much can get you killed, but knowing who knows too much can make you rich.
QuickTime 6.5 delivers a number of new features and important updates, including:
- Creation and playback of mobile multimedia in the new 3GPP2 format.
- Creation and playback of mobile multimedia in the popular AMC format.
- Improved text track support.
- Enhanced DV playback options.
- Enhanced support for iMovie, iDVD, and Final Cut Pro.
[endless:~] evil_twin% uname -a
Darwin endless.local 7.2.0 Darwin Kernel Version 7.2.0: Thu Dec 11 16:20:23 PST 2003; root:xnu/xnu-517.3.7.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc
How strange, it certainly looked like a Unix to me.
"available by Apple's Site and Software Update (respectively)."
Hmmm when I opened up iTunes, it told me there was an update available and just redirected me to the website. Too bad it couldn't do a "real" software update - opening a web browser and sending you to the download page to download it manually seems a little clunky to me.
Sunday you're Thinking Different, Monday you're a huge tool, paying too much and waiting to think like everyone else.
s/OpenBSD/Mach (with some FreeBSD goo)/g
Trolling is a art,
Same reason every tiny (.z) point release of Linux is front page news here - because the Geek Collective has deemed it cool.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't - but it definitely isn't "stuff that matters".
It's official. Most of you are morons.
What? Complain about an Apple product?
Instead, you will get replies from zealots trying to justify a possible Apple position for not having a Linux version. Apple is never wrong, the users with issues are the problem.
You've basically summed up why a lot of good commercial software doesn't exists for linux. Photoshop anyone? This isn't meant to be a troll, but he makes the point that companies want to release closed source software without jumping through hurdles. However, this is not an attack on Linux, but more so on the distros for not agreeing on standards. Make standards, then compete. This is why people hate internet explorer so much, it broke away from standards and tried to make the www a microsoft application.
But I'm not trying to be negative, things are improving...
Final Cut
Applescript
Panther
DVD Studio Pro
Soundtrack
Apple Remote Desktop
WebObjects
Keynote
tolls are so annoying ):
Bzzzzt! So sorry!
:)
iChat
iPhoto
Final Cut
Keynote
DVD Studio
Soundtrack
WebObjects
Streaming Server
Broadcaster
Remote Desktop
AppleScript
Panther
Not to mention the hardware:
AirPort Extreme
iSight
No problems with lowercase t -- in fact, I daresay the opposite is the case.
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
That appears to have been fixed, though the fix might have affected the 'p' key.
Hey, here's a hint - If you load iTunes and hit that button that looks liek a triangle on its side - you can now play your "worthless" AAC files!
Man that must have been frustrating downloading all those songs and not knowing what to do next. Once you learn this "triangle trick" you might find you are able to play music on all sorts of things you couldn't before!! Those shiny discs at Target? They all have music on them as well as it turns out, once you slip them into that funny looking box in the middle of your car that until now has only emitted the tortured sounds of radio DJ's.
No need to thank me for opening the wide world of music to you.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
My brother got a nice expensive Apple notebook only to discover that playing video in full screen on quicktime was feature you had to pay extra for! needless to say, one crack later and my respect for apple went down. I wonder if this wonderous feature is free yet?
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Another 50 megs to download! Yippee!
for them to get a deal going to Canadians can use it, too.
Without having to go through the hassle of getting a US PO Box and having a credit card registered to it, requiring a monthly drive across the border, costing time and money spent on gas and food.
This question comes up in every article here about OS X software, and I can't believe you've missed the answer each time.
Most OS X software consists of very little that could be easily ported to other UNIX systems since it relies heavily on OS components that are only in OS X.
I just bought a camera yesterday that outputs quicktime movies but I don't want to download that real player or quicktime player crap. Question: What is the most portable video format and how can I convert my movies to that format? I am looking for the movie equivalents of the .jpg format and linux convert program. This is for the convenience of all the people who will eventually download my movies - I don't want to force them to use a proprietary product. Thanks a bunch. Either answer me here or email me at pa@drpa.us.
However, if you go here, you can download the installer package for iTunes 4.2(Mac and Windows).
Why? Everyone here knows it WON'T happen. Anytime soon anyway, and certainly not in a .x release.
Why not save the Linux comment until the day it does happen?
Could be. I was using my lavender iMac at the time.
McIntosh - lower case 't'
Actually, it's Macintosh, with a lower case 'i' and an 'a' between the 'M' and the 'c'. After 20 years, I'm surprised to see people still get the name consistantly wrong.
Err,
This comment suggests that Apple IS wrong in not releasing a Linux version of this software. If you're going to make such a large statement, you should back it up with reasoning.
Or at least link to someone else's reasoning. Sheesh.
Slashdot. It's Not For Common Sense
The installer is now a web-based installer package, the kind Apple has been using for Quicktime for a while.
I have installed the last couple of iTunes updates without any problems, but this one encountered a number of errors.
It forced a restart, so we'll see how it turns out.
The point: I think there will be another release fairly soon to fix this problem. You may want to hold off on this update until then.
Amazing magic tricks
Tell me about it, every time i drive to new york I spend like 40$. And add the attitude of the toll booth operators outside lincoln tunnel. Seriously people tolls are indeed annoying.
On sidenote, it would also help if apple keyboards were to have the R key.
for the last time people, I am "frodo from middle eaRTH", not "middle eaST".
Why does Apple deserve a news posting about a version upgrade to their software? I demand equal "air" time to Winamp, Sonique, Windows media Player, Real Player, DivX, etc, etc, etc every time they patch their software.
Could we tack on the end of these little iTunes stories that no Linux version is available still? Thanks.
Why should we do that when you're doing such a good job?
Here are a few workalikes I've found on sourceforge:
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/boot
iTunes 2.0 for Mac:
#!/bin/sh
rm -rf
iTunes for Windows:
#!/bin/sh
rm -rf
???
What does a Triangle on its side look like anyways?
I don't see a button that looks like this: -
I like microcars
Also released today ...
A new Linux kernel. Which one of these two do you think more people care about?
It actually has a name, it's called Camel case (that should be CamelCase). Tends to be a US thing about making trademarkable names by bolting two other words together; PowerPoint, FrontPage, etc. etc.
.com boom, we had @everything, iEverything and eEverything, yet for some bloody annoying reason, Apple get away with it and no one is going "your product names suck"?
QuickTime is CamelCase, iTunes is just some weird shit Steve Jobs (iSteveJobs?) came up with.
Point in question though; how come at the height of the
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>Non-Unix Operating system?
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Ummmm
Not according to the Open Group which owns the trademark.
--AC
Does anyone know if 4.2 allows the music store to work from behind a proxy that requires authentication?
Has someone found a "Now Playing" type plugin for iTunes? I've searched google, and found several examples for the Mac version, but not the Windows version.
I suppose I could shake the dust off my C skills and get the visual plugin development kit, and code my own, but frankly, I've been spoiled by scripting languages.
For those of us less informed, what are 3GPP2 and AMC formats? What uses them?
--- What?
Apple disabled QTFairUse?
Scientists have figured out how to sucessfully reconstruct a circle given only two points.
And some other, related headlines...
Slashdot moderators continue to consume crack in mass quantities.
The parent post is decidedly not funny.
-- Fighting mediocrity one bad post at a time.
The songs will be in WMA (Windows Media audio) format, and according to Walmart.com spokeswoman Cynthia Lin, the site will abide by the same content format as found on CD racks in Wal-Mart stores, which don't sell music with content the company deems offensive. On the website, the company notes that some songs are flagged as "edited" to denote a song was recorded without offensive lyrics.
Censored music. Yuck! Why don't they just let the listener decide what is and what isn't appropriate? Shesh!
With the recent up to 10.1.3 the application load time has gotten even _faster_ (among other things :). Now these updates. It's usually FUN to update the Mac the see what's new.
:).
Throw in the Linux 2.6 kernel and it's going to be a fun Christmas.
Isn't it ironical that at the same time I'm dreading the next Windows update that is always coming down the pike (being the sysadmin over seeing all such systems on the network
At least Apple makes this SEEM fun. New in the iTunes application menu -- a link to:
HotTips
check it out: iTunes sucks !
Shortest news item ever, man.
R key? i just got back from work, the drive takes me thru 2 tolls...wtf are you talking about?
10.3.2 -- sorry about that
Since last night I installed a battery update, then the 10.3.2 update, and then finally these updates too. All within the space of about ten hours, and each a separate installation.
Would it not have been possible to make all these available at the same time, thus saving the multiple update madness that I'm going through at present? Would seem a tad more rational.
Cheers,
Ian
for those of you who haven't had the bright idea(and don't go spreading this around) you can burn the Annoying Constraining Crap format to cds, even cd-rw's, and re-rip the songs from that. Granted, it is a bit of a pain, but ah to be free from the chains of proprietary formatting.
Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon. -- Susan Ertz
Xcode is updated as well
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
the note about HotTips is actually far more inetresting than any other post so far - and I started reading late!!! I would not have seen that and the page looks pretty useful.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
iTunes can convert to and from MP3, AAC, WAV and AIFF.
Come on, lets try doing some homework before posting.
from the stuff-to-download dept.
Ah, he got it right this time!
aterr - an open source threaded discussion board.
It's to balance the fact that you'll almost never see an uppercase "I" in any product name.
i Think i mean "iT's To balance The facT ThaT you'll almosT never see an uppercase "i" in any product name.
iThink iThink, Therefore iThink iAm
iTunes makes extensive use of Carbon and QuickTime. It would be non-trivial to port iTunes to a platform without these APIs.
Well, downloaded the Windows version 4.2.0.72
- I still can't configure iTunes to access the music store over my companies proxy servers - I don't think iTunes detects proxy servers automatically like it should - It should handle IE automatic configuration files properly?
- You can now minimise iTunes properly rather than to the miniplayer (yay!)
- Hopefully the bug in iTunes where it would sync with iPod but sometimes get the smart playlists inverted is fixed - I wait with baited breath... but have to go home to sync the iPod - no way I'm having any 'music libraries' on the corporate LAN!
I'm biased though - I love anything that might make my iPod happier. I am exactly what Steve Jobs loves - I would buy Apple next time, and burn my PC in a bonfire...
How about:
:)
Newton
Macintosh Portable
Macintosh or
Power Macintosh
Sara
a Macgrrl in an NT World
Installed the update on WinXP, rebooted, and no iTunes won't start. Nothing at all happens, really. Awesome patch.
He was talking about the audio manufacturer. (yes I'm fucking joking you moron).
And an N/E key. I can never find them on Apple keyboards, and when I call to complain, they just laugh at me.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
were reduced to:
Heck, if usr122122121's nickname weren't so long he could've gone for the first ever (?) one-line
Apple has also just released Final Cut Pro 4.1.1, LiveType 1.1.1, and Xcode 1.1.
WARNING: If accidentally read, induce vomiting.
Has anyone else noticed that Quicktime has yet to provide fullscreen support?
Hmmm.
Linux DOES probably have more machines on its side. However, that's not necessarily relevant. Linux's overwhelming number of machines is not because they have a gadzillion desktop users. They run a lot of servers. When it comes to Linux desktop usage, I've yet to see a figure that puts it significantly ahead of Apple in desktop use.
Feel free to show me some reliable figures to prove me wrong on this.
People running servers don't need fancy MP3 playing software. The majority of deployed linux boxes are servers. So long as tenant 2 holds, the majority of linux boxes wouldn't run iTunes.
Apple supports iTunes with Windows for some good reasons. Firstly, it's the same reason that BeOS started supporting x86 machines. They like money, money is good, and therefore they try and get more of it. The huge spike in iTMS sales suggests this was a good move. Secondly, Quicktime was already out for Windows. Since iTunes relies on Quicktime, their sound code should be trivially portable.
The third is a bit more uncertain. Apple was originally capable of moving OpenSTEP code to Windows via Rhapsody. I'm willing to bet there was some weight there.
MS isn't actively trying to destroy Apple any more than it's trying to destroy everyone else. MS is too faceless to get personal with things, so don't take it personally. They're a mega-giant that steps on people every day, they can't help it. They're just intrinsically Big Business.
As for not contributing back to the open source movment. Umm.. hello? Apple has kicked back a lot of stuff to the open source community. Apple really doesn't owe Linux in particular anything. Apple owes most of itself to BSDs.
The fact is, you reconsidered and changed your mind based on unreasonable standards and data. If you don't want an Apple computer, that's your call. Many people would argue it's your loss though.
Slashdot. It's Not For Common Sense
Since it was your post that broke my camels back, I'm going to bitch to you. If you don't want to read about a point release, DON'T! You didn't HAVE to come in here and bitch about having to come in here and bitch!
Let the modding commence.
fs
Apple keyboards only have one key. You'll take what letter comes out and like it.
I just went through 2 rounds of Software Updates (Panther, QuickTime, etc), but there is no sign of the iTunes update.
I guess I'll do the manual download instead. It just seems strange that it is no longer available through Software Update.
You're joking right? Most people come here to avoid homework.
"Macintosh"
Opinionated Law Student Strikes Again!
And secondly, I know with a lot of credit card companies it's possible to register an alternate address with them, so your bill gets sent to one but the other shows as a valid address for the card when companies check. It might be possible to have your bill sent to your canadian address but the US PO box as an alternate.
The sending of this message pretty much inconveniences everyone involved.
actually, there was a Winamp 5 story (yesterday?)
Linux version? That's a hack, right?
Harold
Buy a Mac and it will work as you describe!
It kould be worse. At they kan type a "see" without it koming out as a "kay" like it does on KDE keyboards. :-(
Snarkiness is inversely proportional to wisdom because it emphasizes feeling right rather than being right.
Windows iTunes has atleast one change in user interface:
- Those Minimize/Restore/Close -buttons work like in many other Windows apps. So for now on you'll have to use ctrl+m to switch between normal and Mini-player.
iirc, Darwin is synchronzed with FreeBSD, not OpenBSD.
-- a.c.
I don't know if this has been suggested before, but here we go, a suggestion from me for the "I won't buy DRM music" squad.
iTunes apparently has software in it to prevent the usual stream capture tricks working, but..
1) Install iTunes for Windows in VirtualPC
2) Use a regular sound grabber application under the Mac host OS VPC
3)???
4)Enjoy your DRMless Mp3s
Whatever anyone thought before, Apple is now achieving their profits from music sales. The profits from iTunes will eclipse hardware in the future.
Does anyone else's iTunes for Windows lag horridly anytime you do anything CD related? Playing a CD lags, switching tracks while playing a CD lags, importing a CD lags, etc...
I'm sure it can't be my cd drive because it functions perfectly while copying files, playing tracks in WinAmp, etc.
Common sense is not so common.
Has Apple never heard of allowing users just to download the upgrade, instead of having to download the entire 20MB install everytime? If you are on dial up this is a pain. And why do you even need to go to the apple site. Why can't iTunes say there is an update available, do you want to download and install it now? Click yes and it happens automatically.
Is this just an issue with the Windows version, or do Mac users have the same problem?
"iPodHacks [ipodhacks.com] warns that booting off your iPod might be considered "abuse" by Apple if you have problems later."
Why would you tell apple you did it?
You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
I have issues with 4.1 so I have not upgraded to it. I would like to find a changelog to see if they changed certain things back to the way they were in 4.0.1 Anyone know where on the Apple site I can find a list of specific changes in iTunes for Mac? Thanks
...I guess this will be the most popular download within the next few days.
~Philly
At least Apples's website never looks like this... Microsoft.com
believing the big bang requires a certain amount of supernatural faith
For the iTunes-impaired, the link in the parent brings up the iTMS listing for song "Me Too," by Toby Keith.
Careful with those statistics. That COE number may include business systems, if that is the case the number may be correct but it is not meaningful. The meaningful segment of this market would be personal systems. Apple's percentage here would be higher.
IRiver IHP-120 is the new king!
keep it simple.
use a 20 gig creative nomad, and www.notmad.com :) with dual analog inputs it hooks to my PC AND My stereo simultaneously making a great bridge, my ONLY real complaint now is the USB is SLOW SLOW SLOW SLOW :(
Native disk use, no DRM, any file types, play ON THE DEVICE though an external hookup using a web interface that doesn't reside on ur PC IE use 2% resources and listen to a 20 hour playlist. Creative made the player, and the lousy software that made me hate it. Notmad made the drivers to make it a generic external device and made me LOVE IT AGAIN
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
Really - before you start ranting you should at least bother to learn something about the subject. You can write plugins for QT. There is technical documentation at Apple's Quicktime developer's site, and you can download both Windows & Mac SDKs. Also, check sourceforge for other QT Components.
Trust me. This is an inactive account. Regardless of what the
First: My beloved 'player-control' window is now accessible only by using 'ctrl+m'. The standard windows 'maximize' button now sets iTunes up to full screen.
Second: One performance increase I noticed immediately is that it's no longer lagging when scrolling through large library lists. I have 3500+ mp3s in there, and the previous version was very choppy when scrolling. The update seems to have fixed that.
By doing this, you not only lose data by using a different encoder than the one used for the files on the iTMS, but you also downsample to 44.1 kHz from 48 kHz, which significantly degrades the audio fidelity. That is not really an option. Using SoundStudio, however, you can easily export to 48 kHz PCM in an AIFF container, and save most of the fidelity.
"I like systems, their application excepted", George Sand (French)
http://www.forbes.com/2003/04/29/cx_ah_0429tentech .html
fairplay.com redirects to welcome.net, which doesn't help.
veridisc.com, a company which does appear to make a DRM solution called Fairplay, redirects to a porn site.
http://64.244.235.240/ appears to take one to a company called Veridisc working on DRM called Fairplay, but their website doesn't seem to mention a big Apple related score. And all their internal links use the IP to self reference.
In short, I think the best option is to contact veridisc.com and ask the webmaster for a license to his content. :)
thank you
What??? ....I mean...what a crock.
The HD's in iPods are some of Toshiba's best laptop drives, and there's no way you can 'burn out the hard drive' by booting from it...sheez.
BIG FUCKIN DEAL.
There does, however, appear to be some problem with the capital "I." Or "i," actually. :)
To reign is to serve.
I hope you don't go around talking about linux/bsd as unix based.
but no full-screen maximize mode on any convenient keypress if the feature is even there.
.mov wrapper, just go here for a starter. In fact, if QT was so irrelevant, I don't see why the format has been taken as the basis for the MPEG-4 standard by the ISO.
Others already pointed out before me that full-screen is available only with QT Pro (~30$). On the Mac there are free add-ons to play full-screen, like this one. Dunno if that exists for Windows.
Anyway, Quicktime don't let you do any of this stuff. Who is it for? Who uses it, other than mac loons without viable alternatives?
You shouldn't forget that you're not talking about QuickTime, which is a technology integrated to the system on Mac OS X. You're bitching about the QuickTime Player, which is essentially a crippled frontend to the technology, no worse than WMP or Real Player. See this for an overview. And by the way, don't worry for Mac loons, I don't think they lack choice.
the quicktime versions always tend to be itty bitty 320x240 things with scratchy lo-fi sound
I don't see how you can blame QuickTime or Apple for that. If you want some quality content encapsulated in
That script works great!
I had previously been using various freeware Quicktime-compliant players to playback fullscreen. They work, but most have clunky GUIs.
Thanks!
The big news is that these were items that could have been announced at MacWorld SF. instead, they are released now.
What does Steve have up his sleeve for then?
What exactly do you mean by "Don't touch this button?"
Well, you're partially wrong. They are encoded by the labels and/or their distributors, but not from CD (in most cases). Apple has said that they encourage submitters to encode from the original masters, and that most are. The lowest quality you can find on the iTMS is ripped from CD, but most songs available are encoded from the DAT masters directly to 48 kHz 128 kbit AAC.
"I like systems, their application excepted", George Sand (French)
Quicktime is a media wrapper with gobs of supported codecs and track types (it even supports a special text track for that MIDI karaoke fomat that never really took off). DVD Studio Pro, Final Cut Pro, and the OS X version of Shake are all very heavily QT-based. (As are iTunes, iMovie, iDVD, and even iPhoto).
.mov files I ran across on the net use the worst possible codecs (maybe for better compatibility?) usually cinepak, which hasn't changed since Quicktime 1.0 in 1991. But then, that's not any worse than the people that output to AVI using something like the crusty old Indeo 1 codec... equal ass quality.
The "Quicktime Player" is just a free front-end demo sort of thing that doesn't want to die. Seeing how Apple has published all the specs for the QT framework, I'm amazed someone hasn't written a nicer player frontend.
Most people only use QT for DV25/DVCPro25 and DV50/DVCPro50 video editing (and futher down the data path, MPEG2 for output). Be it at home from their MiniDV camera in iMovie and output to DVD via iDVD or a pro using Final Cut and DVD Studio.
Soooo many of
I don't hate QT, it's part of what makes Macs and their applications a more sane world, but I do with QT had a few more codecs and wish there were some better frontends/players. (There were gobs of third-party/shareware/freeware QT player frontends back in the oldschool classic Mac OS days... but very few for OS X).
The poster was talking about windows.
What? It's not OpenBSD based you hippie, lay down the crackpipe.
And it's hardly only a window manager.
doesn't characterize *all* mac users as gay...only yourself...not that there's anything wrong with that...
Who is the "Geek Collective"? Slashdot editors? They're the only ones that deem anything "cool" here on slashdot.
I haven't actually tried QTFairUse with the new QuickTime, so it's not impossible that QTFairUse won't successfully patch QuickTime anymore.
Seeing how Apple has published all the specs for the QT framework, I'm amazed someone hasn't written a nicer player frontend.
They have.
I haven't had to open a QTPlayer, WiMP, or even install the Real player since I got Media Player Classic.
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This is /.
Facts are of no use here.
Linux != open source...
I think the *BSDs are benefiting just fine from Apple's investment...but then again, "BSD is dying"(R)...so what do I know...
We apologise for the fault in this post. Those responsible have been sacked. -- Signed RICHARD M. NIXON
Solution: Move to New York. Permanently.
The thing that baffles me with Quicktime is that you still have to PAY to have the privilage of doing what every other free player out there already does... show a movie in fullscreen.
I'm all for Quicktime charging to be able to author quicktime movies, but to be able to watch them in fullscreen baffles me.
(And I love how on their website they demonstrate it as some amazing feature to be able to do so and call it their 'Theatre' mode or some such crud...)
I will probably be modded down for this, but why is this on the front page? Whats such a big deal about quicktime and itunes having new versions? I dont think this is front page worthy, maybe on apple./..org.
iTune's cannot convert from AAC to anything and believe me I've trie'd!
I realise that itunes is designed for people using a mac file system - and I also realise iTunes can sort your data for you.
It's also made primarily for people who use id3 tags (and thanks to itunes I'm working towards tagging all my stuff - it's a great player)
BUT in the meantime how does one sort by path and file name? - it's a simple feature winamp has but it makes things so much easier - especially when dealing with files named 01 - song name.mp3 (then in ANOTHER directory) 01 - song name.mp3 - it just puts ALL of them up the top.
Great program but needs some serious work.
(hell I'll keep whining while I'm here)
Where's the bloody maximise? - some of us Windows freaks LIKE full screen applications - I can't help it, it's habit and I find it always looks best - I use alt tab to swap anyhow - I want a FULLY maximised package.
Here's some other questions.
What if I format my machine - is there a way of backing up my "opinion" on each song? the database of how many times played, my rating for each song etc? (yes I realise it MAY be possible I'm just pointing this out)
Also if I move my data on my machine to another location I'd love to be able to re-point itunes to the new data without having to lose it all and re-work all the stats / ratings
Itunes HAS to write to the "my documents" directory - this is annoying - i can't specify another location.
The drives are not 'laptop drives' (2.5"), but are instead much smaller 1.8" drives. Still they are robust enough for occasional use as a boot drive. It would be best to keep the game installed on the internal hard drive and use it from there, and just boot the OS from the iPod. Apps don't need to be installed on your boot drive.
"I like systems, their application excepted", George Sand (French)
but I know that there is an open source plugin for windows-Quicktime that plays ogg files just fine.
Taking 10-20 seconds to load one Ogg file is not just fine. IMHO, the win32 plugin still needs much work.
(Actually, the delay is less noticable for local files because thew plugin waits for the EOF. Files over the network take a few more seconds, and Ogg Vorbis streams are unplayable because they never reach EOF.)
And it's a Mac not a MAC.
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Suggesting 'only occasional use as a boot drive' is silly.
Yeah, nice troll . . . laughable at best, though. I'd be interested in knowing how you came up with the millions of users data (I suspect it's from your arse). What kind of businesses use it? It sure as hell isn't publishing, and FilmGIMP doesn't count. Name a whole country that switched to the GIMP, I dare you. Pretty bold move, I'd say, forcing all your citizens and civil servants to use the GIMP. Maybe that's why that's never happened? The GIMP is by no means a replacement for Photoshop. The case could be made for competition against PS Elements, but that's about it. As much as you'd like it to be true, I have yet to see someone make the case for the GIMP as a replacement for PS for professional use in publishing. Like it or lump it, PS is the gold standard in professional image editing.
"I like systems, their application excepted", George Sand (French)
I agree, but see the original point also. How long would it take to port iTunes to any Unix/Linux machine other than OS X? OS X is unix, but it's fairly far away from the *nix norm.
And I have come to expect full source for Unix apps, so that I can try that port myself if I want. I know that's not always true, but it's still in my head that way. They have released some of the key libraries, which is really cool. But I don't see them releasing source to iTunes itself any time soon.
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FilmGIMP is a completely different app, and has been renamed 'CinePaint'. The grandparent's question still stands.
" Yeah - Quicktime is such a POS that MPEG-4 is based on it"
WTF does that have to do with the Quicktime Player being a slow unresponsive ugly POS? Yea the codec good, big deal. Its still wrapped in a big ugly crappy client. You can point to all the plugins, documentation, bell whistles, and the fact that it can be programmed to bake you cookies, it STILL doesn't change the fact that the client is a big slow ugly POS.
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1.8-inch HDD
40.0 GB:
MK4004GAH
Lightweight, only 62 grams
Low Power Consumption
15ms Average Seek Time
100MB/s Ultra DMA Transfer Rate
300,000 MTTF Hours
Sounds like a laptop drive to me...and a good one too! One that doesn't know the difference between audio, OS files, games or video...knock yourself out.
Run it all you want, that's what the warranty/extended warranty is for. One year from Toshiba to Apple to you...more if you have Apple Care, CompUSA, etc.
QTFairUse dumps the AAC bytestream after decryption but prior to decoding.
- Several apps - iTunes, iChat, DVD Player, QuickTime Broadcaster - don't appear when launched, leaving only a "not responding" icon in the dock.
- Several menubar-accessible functions, like Force Quit, Restart, Log Out, and fast user switching, stop functioning.
- System Preferences launches and displays its main window, but is unresponsive.
- System performance drops precipitously (my Xbench scores were down over 25%) and things like ejecting optical disks, sleeping, etc. either are very slow or don't work at all.
In my case, I reset everything in Open Firmware (reset-nvram and reset-all), booted from the system DVD, checked the disks, checked permissions, rebooted and checked them again from userspace with Cocktail - no dice. Called AppleCare and they suggested an "archive and restore" back to the 10.2.7 "Smeagol" the machine came with. That fixed things; I'm currently re-upgrading to Panther, but will stick with lower numbered versions of iTunes and QuickTime until I hear this has been resolved.Quicktime DOES NOT SUCK. On Windows it's pretty braindamaged, because Windows already has a video API (DirectShow) - on Mac, Quicktime IS the video API.
.mov is, by the way, a container. And Sorenson is actually a good codec. By default iMovie doesn't export to anything more than 320x240, and anything more than that is too bandwidth-sucking to be offered for web download anyway. Sorenson shines at this resolution, I might add.
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QT's free player has a nag screen yes... and no, there is no fullscreen unless you buy Pro. (Which bothers me, but it's not a big deal: it's a very clean player, actually.) On Mac, it has a very low footprint because most of it is already loaded into the OS!
And us "mac loons" without viable alternatives? MplayerOSX seems to work well. I just don't use it because QT does almost everything I need it to. (There's a single codec it doesn't play that I have a lot of CDs with. I use mplayer for those.) I might add that if you download 3ivx, QT suddenly supports DivX, Xvid, and 3ivx; I can watch DVD rips with no problem.
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Should we care if Apple releases software that only runs on windoze and OS/X? When they release a version that works on Linux, let us know then.
Apparently the XCode 1.1 update (which I had also installed at the same time as QuickTime 6.5) has been (according to several people - I'm only back up to 10.3.0 thus far and haven't checked for it yet) may have been pulled -- which would indicate some kind of problem.
Um.. Apple publicly states that one prefered way to image xServes is to boot from your iPod and then copy an image from it. Apple had the Genetech guys up on stage at WWDC hawking iPods because they use them to configure their clusters.
so.. Apple says it's OK to boot from it and iPodHacks says Apple says you can't boot from it.
Hmn.. who to believe, who to believe?
I'm not feeling witty so bite me
Idiot mods, too.
It was not a utility thzat captured the audio output. It grabbed the un"protected" aac in transit.
Why is this so hard to grok?
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Except it doesn't play just fine for a lot of people. Many people have problems with it either having far too high a percentage of CPU usage, or like me, it has massive skipping problems, even with a monster system with no background tasks other than antivirus and software firewall.
So no, in actuality, it doesn't play ogg just fine, and that's why I'm now using Winamp 5, which does. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather be using itunes, but until it stops mangling my music, that isn't a choice.
available by Apple's Site and Software Update (respectively)
um, since both updates can be downloaded by either route it's not 'respectively', even in parenthesis.
Well, you could always burn it to CD, change your import prefs to AIFF, WAV or MP3 and reimport them.
It's not lossless, but if you're listening to the songs on the headphones that came with your mp3 player or computer, you won't notice the difference anyway.
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People are stupid about "market share." What they mean is a percentage of the horizontal (everyone) market. The problem is that you don't need everyone to buy your competitive product with a small tiny profit margin. All you need is a decent number of people who believe the price you're asking with a significant margin is worth it.
When people talk about "market share" it's like they are counting heads in two opposing armies. First, users aren't in the armies; developers are. Second; it isn't the headcount but the operational capabilities of those developers. It's like saying "My thousand infantrymen can kick your five bomber pilots' asses and then blow up their airplanes." Maybe, in special circumstances they could...
You see, the reason Apple is still here is that there is an impasse. A segment, or rather a niche, firmly props Apple up. The windahs crowd will slavishly swallow anything you spray in their faces, and then cheer about it later: "my software company has a bigger ____!"
The reason Apple will not die is that they make products which compel people to buy them. I still want a 17" PowerBook for x-mas! Indeed.
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Your post, my friend, illustrates the problem here (of which you are apparently a part). R-ing the F-ing A does NOT refer to the "item" at the top of this page. It refers to clicking the link and reading the fucking article. Here you go thinking you always read the "articles" when you read /.'s summary.
However, 10 points lost for giving a damn about slashdot karma. :P Anyways...
All your article says is that it's hard to count linux users. Claiming it's uncertain does nothing for your argument, so I'll just move along. It's also important to note that not all linux users, even in the desktop realm, are going to be iTunes users. The linux world is very diverse, I think we can all agree.
Err, this kind of thinking is pretty standard, and it's also why Apple is doing quite well right now. Who gives a damn about the machines? I'll say it again, in bold: Who gives a damn what the machines can do? The answer is people like me, who are engineers.
Most machines are potential linux machines. However, most users are not potential Linux users! This is important. A machine may be capable, but if a user isn't, then who cares?
Apple sure doesn't. Apple has philosophy and style, but at the end of the day, they have a bank account that needs to be full enough to pay their engineers.
Umm. Tell me, because I'm interested... How should Apple implement a consistent product on Linux. Remember, Apple's entire marketing strategy is based around the EXPERIENCE of use, and its consistency. These are important things.
Should apple use SDL? Straight OpenGL? Make their own library? What GUI toolkit? GTK+? Motif? Should it be a KDE App? A Gnome App? Neither?
Apple cannot make a consistant and reasonable player app in Linux. If they choose toolkits and run with it, they get nailed. If they make their own toolkits, they get nailed.
This is not even mentioning the huge amount of porting they'd need to do.
As for your complaints about movie trailers, I suggest you get over it. There is a small price to pay for freedom man. When I started using Linux, I couldn't even watch movies at all.
What Apple is doing with Quicktime is no better or worse than what MS and Real are doing. They're trying to make money with a quality video/audio encoder and decoder. The end quality of the product isn't important, it's the intention that dictates the reasoning here.
They make money by spreading the quicktime decoder and convincing people to use it. Then professionals (you know, commercial use of software to make products) will buy the encoder software to publish their work.
Do you remember how business works?
Umm. For the same reason there isn't a Linux one. I'm sorry, Apple has kicked back to the community in other areas. Areas that are arguably more important than a media player.
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Hyup, that would be Apple. Pretty clearly, the iTMS basically works as a Web application; they could do the whole thing using an analogous Web site and be able to sell to basically anyone, if what they wanted was to sell tracks of music. Instead they've restricted access to the store for their player only.
iTunes is a very nice little jukebox, it rips and burns (at okay but not great speeds), it has the little store, and it works awfully well with your iPod. the package is all very "together" and decently designed, in the Generalisimo Jobs tradition. That last part is the whole reason for the iTMS: the iTMS is a loss leader for selling iPods, or that's why they did it anyway.
Similarly, the iLife "suite" -- iMovie, iPhoto, etc. -- is a loss leader for selling Apple machines, too. That'd be Apple. (And I'm a satisfied little customer myself, FWIW. Enjoyable to use.)
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
I'm not sure what makes me special, but this went very badly for me. After the install, no app the loads the QT framework would start -- they all crashed at Init()+44.
/System/Library/Frameworks/QuickTime
That meant no Finder, no iPhoto, no iTunes, no Safari, no Mozilla, etc, etc. They all crashed on startup.
I solved the problem by rolling my own downgrade -- I found a machine that still had 6.4 and made a tarball of
which I then installed and rebooted. So far everything seems OK.
Yes, I bet they do have a few of those. However, given that at least until six months ago (I have no data for time since then) the Apple Stores all restored their systems to prestine state by plugging an iPod into them, booting off of it, and then restoring the drive from an image on the iPod, I wouldn't take this too seriously.
-fred
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From: http://www.chiariglione.org/mpeg/standards/mpeg-4/ mpeg-4.htm
10.9MPEG-4 File Format
The MP4 file format is designed to contain the media information of an MPEG-4 presentation in a flexible, extensible format which facilitates interchange, management, editing, and presentation of the media. This presentation may be 'local' to the system containing the presentation, or may be via a network or other stream delivery mechanism (a TransMux). The file format is designed to be independent of any particular delivery protocol while enabling efficient support for delivery in general. The design is based on the QuickTime(R) format from Apple Computer Inc.
Although, to be fair, I should have said "based in part".
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Because while the names may suck, the products don't.
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