If you like Bob Dylon (or any other artist), why not give him a donation? Or pay to go see a concert?
1)It's Dylan.
2)If I pay to go see a concert, that's not all music completely free like the parent advocated. But I have paid for one of Dylan's concerts, and it was well worth the price I paid.
...just witness the independant artists who explicity encourage P2P sharing of their work.
1)It's independent.
2)They are all getting paid by someone for creating music. If they weren't, they'd probably be spending a lot of their time making money somehow, instead of producing your kazaa downloads for you.
That's not what copyright is for. Copyright is for the benefit of mankind, in the form of the Public Domain.
1)Actually...that is exactly what copyright is for.
2)Oh, wait....you are a complete fucking idiot! I don't know why I bothered to reply at all...
Oh yeah. And I forgot to mention...the first part of your post, where you talk about buying music from artists, even though you don't have to? Yeah...that's not all music completely free. Just to let you know.
First, nothing in your post contradicts a single thing I said in either of mine. And second, yes, I do, absolutely, believe that if we don't pay artists to create music, we won't get as much or as good a product from them. Sure, there will be people who sit around and write songs when they are hanging around the house after work. But they will all have to have day jobs. There won't be anyone making music professionally, and that will have a terrible effect on the art we get.
It doesn't change the fact that you will destroy our music if you make it all completely free.
No, no, and no. If you think that "every bit of music should be free" (as in beer) then by definition you are saying that the artist should not be paid. Now, like I said above, it's ok to have problems with the labels....but artistic works should not all be free. To do so is to get rid of all the artists.
Remember, these are people that think free access to every bit of music ever made in human history to every single person is a BAD THING.
Whoa, buddy. Let's not get too crazy. Free access to every bit of music is a bad thing. Lots of us disagree with the way the record labels have long tried to unfairly force the market beyond the laws of supply and demand....but anybody who says Bob Dylan should never have gotten a paycheck is an asshole.
I think that's all I'm going to add to this thread.
Sure...I agree. We should be talking about systems that are at price-parity. I've been mostly on the Athlon side of this discussion today...but I've also steered a middle course because I'm not fucking nuts like most of you people. Interesting the percentage of AC's we have in this story.
But anyhow, the point is, we are all talking about our experiences with hardware, and nothing more. I have never seen a large-scale reliability study of these things. Nobody ever claimed we were breaking out the scientific data. So...like I said before....piss off.
1)Not all devices are available as usb/fw combos.
2)Almost no devices need any more throughput than USB Hi-speed provides.
3)Even if 1 and 2 were not the case, it would not be any justification for the parent I replied to, which acted like it didn't matter that the USB2 on the chipset under discussion was completely broken. The fact that there's USB on a (hypothetical) board doesn't excuse bad ps2 ports either.
4)Near as I can tell, few boards using the chipset in question even had firewire.
5)If you are going to accuse me of having my head in my ass, pay more attention to what the fuck you're talking about...because I usually do. And while you're at it, try not to use ridiculous non-words like irregardless while you do it.
Yeah, totally. This story is pretty damn thin. This random journalist just 'guesses' that this website might go public and play with the big boys, and we're all supposed to bite? Whatever. These 14 people are running a website and pulling in 25M a year between them, I don't see them going anywhere but Tahiti. That's where I'd be. The people he quotes don't confirm his guesses at all...they basically say, "we've got plenty of money, why would we need VC's or going public?"...this is a stupid artical, and should never have graced/.'s main page.
Whatever. Your devices are going to dictate that more often than not. Not to mention the fact that many of us are planning on taking said devices to other places, to plug into computers that are not our own and whose identity and thus capabilities may be unknown to us at the time of peripheral purchase. So, in other words, compatibility is worth something after all.
In addition to the obligatory admonition against shouting, I'm compelled to remind you that "it's" is the contraction of "it is," while "its" is the possessive of "it."
English speakers everywhere thank you for your cooperation.
WOW. The 440BX. What an unbelievably, unmatchably, singularly kickass fucking board that was. I've got so many of them. I've never, ever, ever on your fucking life had anything go bad or do anything weird on any of them. Well...one got fried by a power supply mishap...but that doesn't count.
Anyway, you talk about stable hardware that was in it for the long haul, the 440BX and a PII were it. My workhorse home gentoo server has for years been a PII450 BX (from Dell) and has been running pretty much continuously, lo these many years. When I bought it, you couldn't get a faster Pentium. I picked up my office file/print/bullshit server for a song years later, but it's older, at 350MHz, and is just as perfectly well-behaved. I sometimes do use KDE on it, and while it's a bit slow, it doesn't ever complain or do evil. Its last two reboots were both due to power outages, and the uptime in between was 344 days. Should have used a UPS. I could go on....but I've got lots of these...
The 440BX didn't have any bells or whistles; everything was offboard. I liked it that way. I've since learned to accept onboard sound and lan, and even video for boxes I don't care about the video on (almost all, these days). But I do wish there was a good, cheap, stripped down board for Athlons that I could trust like I do the 440BX.
Thanks man, I'm glad you provoked that reminiscence.
Wow. Yeah, that does suck. Thanks for explaining it. Anyhow, it's not like Intel never has problems on their chipsets either, wasn't there a recall on the 915 and 925 sets just recently?
Anyway, Intel may have a better track record with chipset reliabilility. I'm not real sure. But when I buy a chip and motherboard, I do enough research that if there's a bad chipset out there, I'm not getting it. These days that means that when I build an Athlon box I'm using nforce2. I'll admit, the AMD choice has changed a lot of times, compared to Intel, which has always just been Intel...
I agree wholeheartedly. With one qualification...high performance computing users. Like the guys running clusters for movie rendering, or drug research, and stuff like that. And opterons are starting to get some penetration.
However, the central insight is exactly correct; overcoming the brand takes much more time than overcoming the product.
Uh...he did say "within 1GHz of the speed." You're talking about a chip that's well over twice as high in frequency....or, another way, nearly 2GHz faster. Or, a third way, several times as expensive. So, uh....can it.
And while you're at it...what's this about USB being broken and never fixed? I haven't noticed it on any of my AMD machines.
For the record, I have many, many Intel boxes, and many (though not quite *as* many) AMD ones as well. If cost is no object, and insano speed and/or 64bit isn't necessary, I'll choose Intel. If I'm paying for it, it will be an Athlon. If I want the fastest thing I can lay hands on, I'll get an opteron.
There is no point in bickering over vi vs. emacs. Or NVidia vs. 3dfx.
Well, your sig explains why you think education is in a downward spiral...you think everything is.
Anyway, I'll agree that I think it's ridiculous to not teach touch-typing, and that your arguments for that are well done. But I will disagree with tremendous strength this notion that public education has been getting steadily worse.
Why? Because there is simply no actual evidence to support it. Lots and lots of downward-spiralers like yourself have spewed this fud over and over again (the earliest American quote of this type I've personally read was from 1807, a scant 20 years after the first public schools here), but no real scientific analysis has ever come to that conclusion. I researched this pretty heavily a few years back for a psych paper, and found that the only reasonable long term studies had found exactly the opposite...that we're getting smarter.
That said, those results were too slim to be conclusive, and relied on at least a logical two-step. Specifically, the studies (one in Europe and an unrelated one in the US) both looked at the calibration testing done on new IQ tests. For the unfamiliar, IQ tests are rewritten every few years, and when they are, the testers need to re-normalize them so that 100 will still be average. They do this by giving a whole bunch of people the test, and setting the scoring accordingly. However, just for good measure, once they normalize the new test, they give both the new and old to some subjects. What both the US and European studies showed was that every single time the tests have been changed, the subjects that took both did worse on the newer version. What's this mean? Well, the tests are getting harder every time...and 100 is still average, which (albeit inconclusively) means we're getting smarter.
Anyway, I said it was inconclusive, but in the absence of a single shred of evidence to the contrary, I'll take it. And that said, I'm not out telling everybody our education system is unbeatable...I just know enough not to sit around bitching about how the whole world is going to hell when I haven't got any evidence that it's so.
This is bullshit. How did that come to be called redundant? It was the first post of its type, and the moderation only shows 30% Insightful, 30%Interesting, 20% Offtopic.
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While parent is probably trolling...
Interesting...I could say the same...
Hmm. Suddenly I'm not so worried about the Microsoft marketing machine.
Fool! That's exactly what that machine likes to hear. Let's not forget that Windows 3.1 was a steaming, extremely popular, piece of shit.
If you like Bob Dylon (or any other artist), why not give him a donation? Or pay to go see a concert?
1)It's Dylan.
2)If I pay to go see a concert, that's not all music completely free like the parent advocated. But I have paid for one of Dylan's concerts, and it was well worth the price I paid.
1)It's independent.
2)They are all getting paid by someone for creating music. If they weren't, they'd probably be spending a lot of their time making money somehow, instead of producing your kazaa downloads for you.
That's not what copyright is for. Copyright is for the benefit of mankind, in the form of the Public Domain.
1)Actually...that is exactly what copyright is for.
2)Oh, wait....you are a complete fucking idiot! I don't know why I bothered to reply at all...
Oh yeah. And I forgot to mention...the first part of your post, where you talk about buying music from artists, even though you don't have to? Yeah...that's not all music completely free. Just to let you know.
First, nothing in your post contradicts a single thing I said in either of mine. And second, yes, I do, absolutely, believe that if we don't pay artists to create music, we won't get as much or as good a product from them. Sure, there will be people who sit around and write songs when they are hanging around the house after work. But they will all have to have day jobs. There won't be anyone making music professionally, and that will have a terrible effect on the art we get.
It doesn't change the fact that you will destroy our music if you make it all completely free.
Damn it. There went my excuse for not R'ing TFA...
...oh...wait. I didn't need an excuse, after all!
No, no, and no. If you think that "every bit of music should be free" (as in beer) then by definition you are saying that the artist should not be paid. Now, like I said above, it's ok to have problems with the labels....but artistic works should not all be free. To do so is to get rid of all the artists.
Remember, these are people that think free access to every bit of music ever made in human history to every single person is a BAD THING.
Whoa, buddy. Let's not get too crazy. Free access to every bit of music is a bad thing. Lots of us disagree with the way the record labels have long tried to unfairly force the market beyond the laws of supply and demand....but anybody who says Bob Dylan should never have gotten a paycheck is an asshole.
I think that's all I'm going to add to this thread.
It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word.
-Andrew Jackson
Sure...I agree. We should be talking about systems that are at price-parity. I've been mostly on the Athlon side of this discussion today...but I've also steered a middle course because I'm not fucking nuts like most of you people. Interesting the percentage of AC's we have in this story.
But anyhow, the point is, we are all talking about our experiences with hardware, and nothing more. I have never seen a large-scale reliability study of these things. Nobody ever claimed we were breaking out the scientific data. So...like I said before....piss off.
To the lovable AC-
1)Not all devices are available as usb/fw combos.
2)Almost no devices need any more throughput than USB Hi-speed provides.
3)Even if 1 and 2 were not the case, it would not be any justification for the parent I replied to, which acted like it didn't matter that the USB2 on the chipset under discussion was completely broken. The fact that there's USB on a (hypothetical) board doesn't excuse bad ps2 ports either.
4)Near as I can tell, few boards using the chipset in question even had firewire.
5)If you are going to accuse me of having my head in my ass, pay more attention to what the fuck you're talking about...because I usually do. And while you're at it, try not to use ridiculous non-words like irregardless while you do it.
Thanks
Huh? Who's admitting what? To whom? This AC is walking around someplace going, "man...where's my gourd? I seem to have misplaced it."
Naw. None of us, on either side (or like me in the middle) have any non-anecdotal evidence. You knew that coming in and so did we. So piss off.
Also, some of us have a *lot* of anecdotal evidence.
Yeah, totally. This story is pretty damn thin. This random journalist just 'guesses' that this website might go public and play with the big boys, and we're all supposed to bite? Whatever. These 14 people are running a website and pulling in 25M a year between them, I don't see them going anywhere but Tahiti. That's where I'd be. The people he quotes don't confirm his guesses at all...they basically say, "we've got plenty of money, why would we need VC's or going public?"...this is a stupid artical, and should never have graced /.'s main page.
Whatever. Your devices are going to dictate that more often than not. Not to mention the fact that many of us are planning on taking said devices to other places, to plug into computers that are not our own and whose identity and thus capabilities may be unknown to us at the time of peripheral purchase. So, in other words, compatibility is worth something after all.
In addition to the obligatory admonition against shouting, I'm compelled to remind you that "it's" is the contraction of "it is," while "its" is the possessive of "it."
English speakers everywhere thank you for your cooperation.
Which one does 'emerge -uDv world' faster?
WOW. The 440BX. What an unbelievably, unmatchably, singularly kickass fucking board that was. I've got so many of them. I've never, ever, ever on your fucking life had anything go bad or do anything weird on any of them. Well...one got fried by a power supply mishap...but that doesn't count.
Anyway, you talk about stable hardware that was in it for the long haul, the 440BX and a PII were it. My workhorse home gentoo server has for years been a PII450 BX (from Dell) and has been running pretty much continuously, lo these many years. When I bought it, you couldn't get a faster Pentium. I picked up my office file/print/bullshit server for a song years later, but it's older, at 350MHz, and is just as perfectly well-behaved. I sometimes do use KDE on it, and while it's a bit slow, it doesn't ever complain or do evil. Its last two reboots were both due to power outages, and the uptime in between was 344 days. Should have used a UPS. I could go on....but I've got lots of these...
The 440BX didn't have any bells or whistles; everything was offboard. I liked it that way. I've since learned to accept onboard sound and lan, and even video for boxes I don't care about the video on (almost all, these days). But I do wish there was a good, cheap, stripped down board for Athlons that I could trust like I do the 440BX.
Thanks man, I'm glad you provoked that reminiscence.
Wow. Yeah, that does suck. Thanks for explaining it. Anyhow, it's not like Intel never has problems on their chipsets either, wasn't there a recall on the 915 and 925 sets just recently?
Anyway, Intel may have a better track record with chipset reliabilility. I'm not real sure. But when I buy a chip and motherboard, I do enough research that if there's a bad chipset out there, I'm not getting it. These days that means that when I build an Athlon box I'm using nforce2. I'll admit, the AMD choice has changed a lot of times, compared to Intel, which has always just been Intel...
I agree wholeheartedly. With one qualification...high performance computing users. Like the guys running clusters for movie rendering, or drug research, and stuff like that. And opterons are starting to get some penetration.
However, the central insight is exactly correct; overcoming the brand takes much more time than overcoming the product.
Yeah...or an alpha box.
Yeah, pretty much all these complaints are about Via chipsets, not AMD procs. They may be founded...but all it says to me is "go get an nforce board."
Uh...he did say "within 1GHz of the speed." You're talking about a chip that's well over twice as high in frequency....or, another way, nearly 2GHz faster. Or, a third way, several times as expensive. So, uh....can it.
And while you're at it...what's this about USB being broken and never fixed? I haven't noticed it on any of my AMD machines.
For the record, I have many, many Intel boxes, and many (though not quite *as* many) AMD ones as well. If cost is no object, and insano speed and/or 64bit isn't necessary, I'll choose Intel. If I'm paying for it, it will be an Athlon. If I want the fastest thing I can lay hands on, I'll get an opteron.
There is no point in bickering over vi vs. emacs. Or NVidia vs. 3dfx.
Well, your sig explains why you think education is in a downward spiral...you think everything is.
Anyway, I'll agree that I think it's ridiculous to not teach touch-typing, and that your arguments for that are well done. But I will disagree with tremendous strength this notion that public education has been getting steadily worse.
Why? Because there is simply no actual evidence to support it. Lots and lots of downward-spiralers like yourself have spewed this fud over and over again (the earliest American quote of this type I've personally read was from 1807, a scant 20 years after the first public schools here), but no real scientific analysis has ever come to that conclusion. I researched this pretty heavily a few years back for a psych paper, and found that the only reasonable long term studies had found exactly the opposite...that we're getting smarter.
That said, those results were too slim to be conclusive, and relied on at least a logical two-step. Specifically, the studies (one in Europe and an unrelated one in the US) both looked at the calibration testing done on new IQ tests. For the unfamiliar, IQ tests are rewritten every few years, and when they are, the testers need to re-normalize them so that 100 will still be average. They do this by giving a whole bunch of people the test, and setting the scoring accordingly. However, just for good measure, once they normalize the new test, they give both the new and old to some subjects. What both the US and European studies showed was that every single time the tests have been changed, the subjects that took both did worse on the newer version. What's this mean? Well, the tests are getting harder every time...and 100 is still average, which (albeit inconclusively) means we're getting smarter.
Anyway, I said it was inconclusive, but in the absence of a single shred of evidence to the contrary, I'll take it. And that said, I'm not out telling everybody our education system is unbeatable...I just know enough not to sit around bitching about how the whole world is going to hell when I haven't got any evidence that it's so.
This is bullshit. How did that come to be called redundant? It was the first post of its type, and the moderation only shows 30% Insightful, 30%Interesting, 20% Offtopic.
Fuck you guys.