ya, I rode one to, for years and years. The next to the last bus stop out of town. 3 hours a day roundtrip, snow season even longer, 5 days a week in the bus saddle. If I had it to do over again I would have begged to be homeschooled. The best I was able to pull off, starting in 9th grade I did almost all independent study outside of the other kids, as I had already achieved the high school level credits needed for graduation, but I wasn't able to go to college then, none close by, too young to drive, parents not well off enough to pay for remote school and boarding, etc. So, we worked out a deal with the school administration and teachers, every 6 weeks I had an oral interview plus I turned in one research paper per class, for most classes anyway, a few I did "normally", math especially, although there I was placed in a class with only a few other kids, as there were a few math whizzes there. That ride on the bus was dismal, too bumpy to read on old gravel roads without getting a headache, it was mostly a waste of time.
in other words, a cubic boat load. When it's that high, I doubt there's even any way to calculate it accurately. Lets call it virtually unpayable with the people currently working as the debtors.
Here's some dandy quotes that might fit in with this discussion, all from gandhi:
Increase of material comforts, it may be generally laid down, does not in any way whatsoever conduce to moral growth. What does that mean? Trying to get rich off of anything means nothing for your moral growth? Would that include artists?
I believe in equality for everyone, except reporters and photographers. Whoops! Creators of so called "intellectual" property! He doesn't believe in equality for them!
It is the quality of our work which will please God and not the quantity. Does that mean accumulating ridiculous warchests of dubious IP patents is not a smooth move? How about those middlemen who accumulate thousands of copyrights, then use their financial clout to have the laws extended to benefit them, to the detriment of everyone else? Could Gandhi be talking about regular plain vanilla old fashioned sins like greed, gluttony, avarice? Sounds like it to me. How much is enough? How rich, how much money do you have to accumulate, how much does some vague non person "person" like a corporation have to accumulate before they can say "enough"? Why is it they can profit from technological advances which make their jobs much easier-merely making "copies", while they don't want anyone else to be able to use modern technology? Doesn't that seem a scosh greedy and wrong?
The mice which helplessly find themselves between the cats' teeth acquire no merit from their enforced sacrifice. Perhaps he means being a *professional victim* isn't a wise thing. Perhaps he means we should resist predators? Seems like you could extend this to being a victim of out of control colluding corporate entities who seek to enrich themselves and pass laws through bribery to increase their "IP" profits at your expense, making a mockery of any sort of "free" market, let alone "advancing the arts and sciences" for the good of ALL. Perhaps.
Satisfaction lies in the effort, not in the attainment, full effort is full victory. Satisfaction in producing "IP" lies for the creator in the attempt, not in what comes after the attempt.
As to working to change the law, a lot of what he and the millions of Indians did was technically "illegal" according to British Imperial rule "laws". You can start with failure to obey orders, and go up and down and sideways from there.
As for me, personally,I do all manual labor for my coin, all of it. The *exact second* that there exists a technological way for someone to "copy" what I do, to replicate it cheaply and easily, please, go right ahead! Enjoy! Modify it! Share it with your friends! As it is now, doing mostly landscaping maintenance type stuff, the best I can offer is you can drive by on the road and go "nice work, looks good, better than that raggedy mess it was last week!". I've created visual "art". It costs me effort, my employer expense, there's fuel, maintenance equipment, etc, plus my salary. MOST of what I do is purely visual, it serves no other purpose other than to change the way a certain section of reality looks. It's "art" in a way. I mow huge areas, plant gardens, make flowers bloom where before was crab grass and poison ivy and brambles. It looks "better", and it's certainly changed, and I try to be "soft" with what I do, to be careful to not do harm, only to enhance for effect. My "patron" pays, but anyone driving by looking may "enjoy" it at no charge. Some folks even have a term for that now, it's called "viewscape", it has a certain "value" to it, as does any other sort of "art". But, it's not "copyright-able". Should it be? should I charge a fee for looking at it? Hey, what a concept, what I create all these people are ripping me off for, they are looking at something FOR FREE, something THEY didn't create or pay a fee for! What should the license say, how long may I hold that license, where can I set up a toll booth for anyone to drop their money into as they drive by and look? Work's work, right? Although many others als
...easy enough to find, how about trade deficits? It used to be the USA was heavily into manufacturing, now that we shipped a lot of those jobs to china, we are running an annual trade deficit with them for goods to the tune of 141 billion dollars. Month by month it goes a little up or down, but the general year to year to year trend is up, always NOT in our favor.
We've had this scam "globalization" for decades now, and we have yet to have an economy where it approaches eveness, we always run a deficit with these second world nations we exported jobs to.
The biggest winners with globalization so far are CEOs and major stock brokerage concerns, the casino owners and riggers. and now, I don't count cheapert trinkets as being worthwhile, not when we are 73 TRILLION dollars in debt.
check this out, ran a simple google search, this is the latest top news story, 38% of chicago public school teachers send their children to private schools. The article goes on to comment on the national trend, urban areas in particular are getting pretty high with similar actions. The teachers themselves are voting with their own money and action, taking their children out of the schools they supposedly support. Very telling in a variety of ways. I would agree that part of the reason is that the "elite" tend to go for the perpetuation of the "elite" class, but in other areas, I think it's just because a lot of local public schools have turned into anarchial mis managed dumping grounds, glorified daytime baby sitters.
... the states and local governments extract for education, the current US federal budget for the department of education is 63 billion dollars. That is not a trivial sum. If it was entirely up to the states and local governments, all that money could be used, and an entire federal department eliminated. The states and local governments already have local administrations running that could deal with it, and if we eliminated the federal effort, all the money wasted on just running what is in essence a redundancy could be eliminated. It makes no sense to extract income taxes, filter and skim them massively through washington, then return only part of the money right back to where it came from. It's a skim, and it is part of the self perpetuating federal government bloat. It didn't exist when I was a kid, and it didn't seem to matter, we had the same schools, just run much cheaper. They created an agency or department that isn't needed. This costs money. They then say "wow, our expenses are going up so we need more tax money" Lather rinse repeat.
The federal governments primary duty appears to be perpetuating itself as a growth industry, any ancillary effect is incidental to maintaining their make-work "jobs".
Nice point on the busses. I wonder how much the school districts could save by eliminating the brainwashed addiction to professional team sports that starts in the public schools by running stealth minor league farm teams for them. A lot of bussing goes on with those activities. It has to be a lot in terms of dollars spent per year. I'd much rather see those sorts of activities be entirely paid for by the appropriate parents and the "leagues" instead of funding it with enforced property taxes and round robin income tax to washington, skim half to run a bureaucracy that is basically just a jobs program, then return it back to the schools.
I'm not against athletics, I'm against subsidising profitable multi billion a year private business, which is what team sports are in this nation. Kids can have fun and get exercise without that needless expense, and IMO, society in general would be a lot better off without the addiction to those sports. It also has an effect of encouraging jingoism, look at the rhetoric, this (insert city school) team needs to "beat" the other team, destroy them, etc. Any local paper you can see how much of an addiction it is usually.
I've also noticed an additional phenomenon. there's an elementary school up the street from me. Half (I am generally speaking, seems like a ton of cars though for a small school) the kids get driven to and from school by their parents now, you can see the cars lined up out the school property and up the street twice a day. The busses still run though, but half empty. At the nearest high school it's similar, but it'sthe students themselves that drive to schoolin huge numbers, but again, they still run the busses not very full, I've seen them taking off after school, not nearly as full as they could be.
.... hills and trees action. The US is not all the same geographically. How does he get wireless there? I'm interested because I'm in the same situation as the parent, no broadband available*. For the past year and change I've been listening to two different local whitebox shops (one of them is my dialup ISP) say they are going to open an area WISP. But so far the best I have seen is one of them has an antenna on their roof of the business and runs a single access point from there, obviously not an "area" solution. I'm really beginning to think that wireless access is going to be almost unobtanium in areas that aren't ideal for it or don't have extremely condensed population, areas that already are served with a variety of broadband solutions.
I guess maybe it's different in the plains states, etc, any place with hills and a lot of trees, wireless is very costly, you need a LOT of access points on a LOT of the higher hills to really cover an area that's city and immediate surroundings wide.
*with one exception. So far, the only universal wireless I have seen is satellite internet, and the startup hardware/install costs and recurring monthlies are very expensive, along with the problems with sat inet that have been discussed here before.
You may be able to replace oil with hydrogen for energy (a big maybe), but it's still used extensively in various manufactured products. That's a seriously overlooked part of the "peakoil" controversy.
With that said, and as a solar proponent and owner, and in the alpha design stages (that means I'm committed in me pea brane to do it) of my own little solar powered buggy*, this thing is ridiculous looking, and I agree, a normal human pedaled bike is a better idea. But... I'm not one to rain on any hardware geeks parade either, I hope they develop it further and make it more practical. There's a niche market for everything. Does anyone here remember the Armys "Land train"?
Niche markets
If anyone wants just an electric motor add on gizmo that fits most bikes, there's several on the market now, google is your friend there, much cheaper than 1600 clams, too. The one I saw a buddy had used a triangular flat battery pack that mounted in the frame of the bike, hung from the top tube really, it cleared your pedaling legs just fine being so slim, and the motor mounted over the real wheel and used a rubber wheel for a friction assist, and had a push button on switch on the handle bars. 15 minute or so installation, charge it, go. Had around a 5-10 mile range, but you still pedaled with it, it was more for hill climbing assist, hauling your groceries back, laundry, etc. If I could remember the name of the company I'd post it, but I know there's a variety out there, I looked before.
*nothing all that ambitious, merely an electric cart made from an old riding lawn mower frame I can use around the ole homestead here to haul a small work wagon with. Planning on using one of my panels as the vehicles roof so the majority of the time when it's just sitting it can keep the batts trickle charged. The goal is to do it with all scrounged parts, not spend anything except what I already have in my spare panel and some gear to go with it. Probably use a large truck starter motor as the main motive part as soon as I find one. This is the "no dollars" approach method.
Ya, I know, they make electric golf carts, the point is to recycle junk and make something practical out of it that I would actually use.
back before I had a cellphone, I needed two landlines, so I got telemarketers on the phone one. Tell ya whut I used to do, I'm a fair mimic. I can pull a simpsons Abu voice pretty good(others too,k but that and Scotty are my favs), I'd make believe I was some Indian guy at an impossible to understand named store and try to sell THEM something! Much fun! I actually looked forward to telemarketers!
Now all I use my line for is inet, so no fun there:p
Buy the cpu/ram/mobo now and stick it in a drawer. In 6 months get a new vid card, then a month or so later a sound card, then a month after that a new HDD, etc. Do this for one year exactly. One year from today take all that stuff out and stick it in your case. Everything will be "new to you" and much faster and much gooder. It's all relative. If you wait for prices to come down you'll wait forever.
I'm still using a 2 meg vid card.....but I don't game other than the real odd and infrequent game of mah jongg, whenver my isp craps out, which happens to them occassionaly.
This is just another example of conditioning the younger generation. Get them used to big brotherism and total surveillence/command & control. Goes along with acceptance of constant TV camera monitoring, using a thumb scanner to get a school lunch (how pavlovian can you get?) and other sorts of brainwashed response mechanisms.
We've already got the adult population conditioned to accept things that would have caused lynch mobs 100 years ago, like "random courtesy checkpoints" on the roads.
To the goons, the elite controllers, it's just part of the system, they want willing sheep, controllable herds, and the younger they get them brainwashed the better, then it's "acceptable and normal".
Hey, here's an idea! Why don't we drug the kids in the schools as well? Then we can make them even MORE controllable!
Oh ya, they do that too. Funny how all that stuff ties together.
.... and if you vote for whom you really don't want, then it's wasted, because you lied. Lied. You voted a lie. And we been electing lies for a long time now, e-vile lies and the liars who tell them.
Been hearing apologetic statist dumbasses like you for close to half a century. Half a freeking century. WAKE UP! Stop repeating lies! People have been so brainwashed into "not wasting their votes" that they have WASTED THEIR VOTES voting in Ds and Rs over and over and over and over again, and GUESS WHAT? It's the same old crap! Vote for D&R crap, get D&R crap! How simple does it need to be, how many clues you need?
Every election if enough people voted for non-crap, the NEXT election gets MORE non-crap votes, and less crap votes. See how that works? It builds from there. Tedious, but how it works, and it takes every single person who's aware of it to do it to make it effective. It has to be consistent. A vote for a third party is THAT, you are not voting for anything but that. You will NEVER get anything but a D or R if you keep voting for a D or R. NEVER. Not one time will a D or R vote get you any political action except what Ds and Rs always do, which is screw you, screw me, screw the other guy, stuff their pockets and lie to you every chance they get. Get it yet? El comprehende?
There will never be any magical time where all at once everyone will switch, NOPE, it needs to build momentum, a tiny amount at a time, and that momentum comes from one-single-vote. You only get one chance every election to add to that momentum, so make it count!
We also need a miniuum number so that third parties can be GUARANTEED TO BE ON THE BALLOT every cycle, so they don't have to waste their resources time and money just to get on the ballot. Ds and Rs are automatic! We need to break that! They don't own government, but they have seized control. It's not theirs to own! It's a freeking shared junta, a criminal cartel for profit. They need to be on the ballot in all 50 every election so we can DEMAND they be included in debates and SHAME the news media into more coverage than just Ds or Rs.
Here's an analogy, it's exactly like "stop using linux, you are "wasting your desktop and time", because next week everyone WON'T be using linux! See how retarded that sounds? Same exact deal with politics. You have to be consistent and relentless. Re-lent-less and not be dissuaded from your goal, not be pressured into this "lesser of evils" crapola. Evil is evil, there is no "lesser" and if you had been watching long enough you'd realise that.
You have to build critical mass, and it's ONE VOTE AT A TIME, EVERY TIME, going for a third party or an independent. It WON'T MATTER that much if skull and bones millionaire globalist lying scheming goon A or skull and bones globalist lying scheming goon B "gets in power" this cycle, not near as much as if the numbers of non D or R votes keep steadily rising every election, from local dogcatcher all the way to prez. BOTH those dunderheads are A-liars, first and foremost, and B globalists who care not a whit about you, and C-actors and script readers, they get told what to say and when to say it, and D, most importantly D-they are puppets. Marionettes. They are figureheads of the real powers that are behind the seat of power, and you got to not vote for that sorta action, for any reason, its anathema to what this nation was designed for.
I have a question, because I don't know the answer. How do you ghost all these machines with a new fresh clean copy of the OS and apps and still retain the data and know that the virus isn't still embedded in the data someplace? Seems like you'd still have to rely on a virus checker/remover, which may or may not find the problem.
...universally, is for developers to cease doing microsofts work for them. Firefox is a *patch* for a billionaire monopolist and all around corporate badguy. It's also a crutch and a false sense of security, and goes against free software ideals for the most part. IMO, big fat waste of time and resources..but.. people are quite free to do what they want. Their call of course but it's foolish and short sighted. I just think one day there's gonna be a super exploit that really borks firefox-just for one example- on windows and it will be a huge black eye to the FOSS community, and it's a constant erosion of resources as well.
Again, IMO, it's better to let microsoft in it's entirety, using just their own code, to crash and burn on the schedule that would be present if windows ports to them weren't being released as enabling crutches for continued deployment of their OS. It would force millions to take a much more critical eye towards the entire dominance of MS, both personally and in the corporate world. It would get PHB attention. It would get application developers all over attention. It would help to once and for all clarify the two opposing methods of development and business. Trying to make a bastardized blend of them is never going to work out as well as people think.
Let it crash and burn! Let MS and that whole business philsophy of "screw you, pay me!" crash and burn! You don't buy a six pack for someone you know has a serious alcohol problem. It's an analogy and as such not perfect, but I think you get my drift. Sometimes you need "tough love" to get someones attention when they have a problem, and the problem is in a ton of stories we see here all the time, vendor lock in, application lock in, wahh, we can't switch because xyz package is windows only, wah, it's still insecure and ye gads it never ends. It's called "enabling" when you help to perpetuate a basic chronic severe problem, so I say "stop enabling the further use and dominance of microsoft products". And I disagrtee with the concept that it will "lead to more adoption of Open source operating systems and other applications. All it's doing is letting MS off the hook time wise and money wise, and people won't be forced into consider what really needs to be changed, and that is the entire package of OS and applications.
Nowadays, it's a GUI world for vast majority of users. It's "there", it works. package management has been figured out with the various distros. Updates to the kernel are easy. It's move the mouse cursor around and mash on buttons, it's not rocket surgery anymore to run ANY modern OS. While no one was looking, FOSS OS and apps "got there". There is no need to keep propping up MS, they made their hundreds of billions, it's time for society to move on now to the better way of doing computer things, which means back to the real work of the world, and use computers for what they are as "tools", not the ultimate product. MS wants a check from you forever, whether you are joe home user or joe giant company, and there's no longer any *need* for that generally speaking.
It's time to retire the buggywhip manufacturers. No longer needed, it's an artificial skim on the entire economy, and it's become aggravating to deal with them, expensive and aggravating.
...with the scam voting automagically become "de law", so who is gonna investigate themselves willingly and honestly? Joe prez has a lot of power, he can tell various bureaucracies what to do and they all click heels and sieg heil and follow orders. Whistelblowers get persecuted and ignored in the press for the most part. Just like the presidential appointed 9-11 government coverup ommissions hearings, they started with a default "oh, it was all raggyheads did it" and investigated from that point.
bigfatjoke if it wasn't so serious.
I'm still gonna vote but I'm gonna do what I did in 2002, write in some candidates (well, actually I write ME in someplace where whomever is running unopposed) and see if it shows up in the result. In 2002, it didn't, first time I used diebold machine.
"To me, RAM and CPUs should be treated like drives and other peripherals, you should be able to daisy chain them better (different kinds, sizes, functions, etc) on a single machine."
--ya, I'd like to have a mobo that had different sockets on it that fit different processors that are already out there by the billions. If there was a way to assign apps as you opened them to the appropriate processor, it would be nifty. Some apps don't need much at all and will run spiffy, others can take every cycle you can throw at them. I know they don't make anything like that, but I'd still like to see it somehow, maybe even a universal generic board that the entire CPU and socket was removable, like PCI slots, just plug and play different ones in, along with a similar deal with the RAM.
I know not likely to happen, just would be neat, to me anyway.
most of my "spare" time and avaialable spare skill sweat during the day goes into trying to keep my coupla dozen small engine doo dads running for my work, along with the gasser vehicles. It never ends. All the bigger diesel stuff keeps on chugging, but small gas engines need a lot of TLC all the time. That's what I have been doing all day now besides at little break times surfing when I come in. Still hot out, even if it's september...... I cob or jury rig a lot of parts, save all the junkers to scrounge from.
Interesting about the clustering aspect with dual and more CPUs.
Why didn't you give away a working mac instead of trashing it? From what I remember a 7200 was fairly upgradeable and useful. Too slow for you might have been "wow, gots me a computer!" to someone else.
Anyway, that's what I do with most of my junker x86 machines, they go to poor farm kids (after any needed repairs, etc) around where I live who don't have any computer at all.
Don't even have to take it out I can remember clearly. At just a single 32 meg stick it sucked, it would only run what came with it NT or 95 or 98. 98 was a scosh boggy but ran. 95 is pretty fast really. GUI linux wasn't happening, well, not a gnome or kde desktop or graphical installer, it would choke. I didn't even know about alternative window managers back then and was really chicken to go some leet linux with text, as I am not much in the way of a command line guru, coming from a mac background and not windows or unix. NT4 and 95 ran swell with 32 megs. It came with NT4 installed originally, I bought the machine NIB but old surplus for 125 clams. Literally in the box, still stapled up, got all the everything with it, manuals, etc. Quite happy with it really, besides ram I've only added a slightly bigger used HDD (8 gigs instead of 1.6) and now I have a 40x CD drive instead of the 2x or whatever that was in it, again, used out of junkers. Upping it to 96 megs RAM by adding the 64 meg stick was my experiment to see if the machine was worthwhile for linux. THAT worked.(I buy kingston RAM it works for me always, but do a search for which vendor has it cheapest the day I am looking for it) When I had it like that it ran RH 7.1 and 7.2 and bluecurve 8 just fine, graphical installer, etc. Back then I did a full kitchen sink install, too, everything, but I don't do that now, need the space and don't really ever use 3/4ths of what is on a kitchen sink install so now I just mash custom and pick out what I want.. Adding the last 128 stick made it multi task better, that's about it, which makes it more practical to use. It would still multi task before, but swapped more, but still doable. I never tried RH 9, went right to FC1. I'd say if you can get by with one more reasonably priced stick of RAM go for it. Spending say 40$ clams or so is a lot cheaper than a new machine. Might get you by for a couple few more years, who knows. I know I'm planning on just adding another stick of 128 when I can get it cheap (got one more open RAM slot, so whut the heck...), and if I can find the appropriate CPU and voltage regulator used I'll add that to the mobo. I keep staring at the empty processor slot and I am intrigued, seems like for some purposes it would be much mo bettah to have both, and "just because". I'm beyond a tight budget here so I milk these machines out. I am a FIRM believer in maxing out a machines RAM if possible and affordable, no matter what machine I have done that too it has always dramatically improved performance. Heck, my GF has an old quadra someone gave her for some work, I sent away got more ram, maxed it to 64 megs. It's running Mac classic 7.5 with only IIRC a 25 mghz processor and it surfs like a big dog using iCab browser. And it used to play real audio files as well when you could still find the older codec streams like from Real 2.0.
I think vendors need to ship machines with maxed out RAM anyway, it's like going to get a car and they give you one tire instead of 4 and the rest are "options", it's just bogus, because the vendors are in the best possible volume buying situation to get the RAM the cheapest. I detest getting nickle and dimed for stuff like that. Then later on you go shopping for more RAM and it's ridiculous expensive compared to what it could be.
....in a more/bigger/faster and more throw away culture. I'm impressed! But it's also depressing! How is that? Well, tell ya, this is like the horsepower wars out of Detroit in the 60's, more cubes and higher revs with higher compression. Ok as far as it went, but........it meant throw away cars, too.
Tell ya whut I would be more impressed with technologically, if some RAM company wants to make a splash and show off some real branez. A smart and adaptive memory chip reader that you could stick in a ram slot like a daughtercard that you could then insert any mix or match multiple RAM sticks into and it would read and access and use them all.
We are awash in so called "obsolete" RAM that is still functional. It used to be just a coupla decades ago we threw away stuff when it was broken. Now we throw away perfectly fine stuff, things that aren't broken, they are just "obsolete" although they might only be a few years old.
Anyone see anything potentially wrong there? Same thing with CPUs. We have SMP mobos (and kernels), how about NON-SMP MO mobos, any braniacs got any examples of that, were you can mix and match older processors and keep using them? I know you can make a cluster whatsis with older boxes, I am talking a single machine that you could add tons of older oddball ram sticks to and plug in a variety of CPUs.
To me, RAM and CPUs should be treated like drives and other peripherals, you should be able to daisy chain them better (different kinds, sizes, functions, etc) on a single machine.
This machine I am on is a 200PP and I'm running gnome desktop on FC2 with 224 megs ram just fine. It's a dual CPU mobo but I only have one processor currently (weird one to find used), so I imagine it would run better with the other CPU installed and maxing the ram out. Only issue I finally ran into was installation, up to FC1 starting with RH 7.1 the graphical installer worked, this time I was forced to text based, but after that, it just works.
Currently have moz suite with 21 tabs open (I'm a news and forum junky, yeh),usually not that many though, usually around a dozen, the email is open, running xmms on a low bit rate live talk radio stream,it's fine, got one terminal window running, weather applet, yada yada. Not the most powerful or fast experience, but eminently tolerable. I don't know if broadband would help much, probably, stuck on rural dialup for now. As for apps, I admit open office is teh sux on this thing so I don't install it anymore, and mplayer is mostly unusable, in fact I'll probably not install it when FC3 is released. Xine is so-so but usable. And I know I could pop open a few more apps without much of a loss like irc, etc. I am pretty impressed with linux ability to multi task on lower quality machines, near as I can see, RAM is lots more important than CPU, when I added that last stick of 128 it made it useable, before that, nope. I got a max of 512 I can install but finding antique ram that's affordable ain't happening.
Just checked, mashed reload on a few tabs and opened system monitor, CPU is running at around 40%, RAM is using 165 megs and 99 in swap.
I fooled around with hdparm before but it really didn't amount to much in the way of noticeable difference, of course that could be me not doing it correctly I admit.
OK, not loading tabs and just idling, it dropped to hovering around 20% CPU, 161 RAM and swap went up a scosh to 103 megs for some reason.
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ya, I rode one to, for years and years. The next to the last bus stop out of town. 3 hours a day roundtrip, snow season even longer, 5 days a week in the bus saddle. If I had it to do over again I would have begged to be homeschooled. The best I was able to pull off, starting in 9th grade I did almost all independent study outside of the other kids, as I had already achieved the high school level credits needed for graduation, but I wasn't able to go to college then, none close by, too young to drive, parents not well off enough to pay for remote school and boarding, etc. So, we worked out a deal with the school administration and teachers, every 6 weeks I had an oral interview plus I turned in one research paper per class, for most classes anyway, a few I did "normally", math especially, although there I was placed in a class with only a few other kids, as there were a few math whizzes there. That ride on the bus was dismal, too bumpy to read on old gravel roads without getting a headache, it was mostly a waste of time.
in other words, a cubic boat load. When it's that high, I doubt there's even any way to calculate it accurately. Lets call it virtually unpayable with the people currently working as the debtors.
Here's some dandy quotes that might fit in with this discussion, all from gandhi:
Increase of material comforts, it may be generally laid down, does not in any way whatsoever conduce to moral growth. What does that mean? Trying to get rich off of anything means nothing for your moral growth? Would that include artists?
I believe in equality for everyone, except reporters and photographers. Whoops! Creators of so called "intellectual" property! He doesn't believe in equality for them!
It is the quality of our work which will please God and not the quantity. Does that mean accumulating ridiculous warchests of dubious IP patents is not a smooth move? How about those middlemen who accumulate thousands of copyrights, then use their financial clout to have the laws extended to benefit them, to the detriment of everyone else? Could Gandhi be talking about regular plain vanilla old fashioned sins like greed, gluttony, avarice? Sounds like it to me. How much is enough? How rich, how much money do you have to accumulate, how much does some vague non person "person" like a corporation have to accumulate before they can say "enough"? Why is it they can profit from technological advances which make their jobs much easier-merely making "copies", while they don't want anyone else to be able to use modern technology? Doesn't that seem a scosh greedy and wrong?
The mice which helplessly find themselves between the cats' teeth acquire no merit from their enforced sacrifice. Perhaps he means being a *professional victim* isn't a wise thing. Perhaps he means we should resist predators? Seems like you could extend this to being a victim of out of control colluding corporate entities who seek to enrich themselves and pass laws through bribery to increase their "IP" profits at your expense, making a mockery of any sort of "free" market, let alone "advancing the arts and sciences" for the good of ALL. Perhaps.
Satisfaction lies in the effort, not in the attainment, full effort is full victory. Satisfaction in producing "IP" lies for the creator in the attempt, not in what comes after the attempt.
As to working to change the law, a lot of what he and the millions of Indians did was technically "illegal" according to British Imperial rule "laws". You can start with failure to obey orders, and go up and down and sideways from there.
As for me, personally,I do all manual labor for my coin, all of it. The *exact second* that there exists a technological way for someone to "copy" what I do, to replicate it cheaply and easily, please, go right ahead! Enjoy! Modify it! Share it with your friends! As it is now, doing mostly landscaping maintenance type stuff, the best I can offer is you can drive by on the road and go "nice work, looks good, better than that raggedy mess it was last week!". I've created visual "art". It costs me effort, my employer expense, there's fuel, maintenance equipment, etc, plus my salary. MOST of what I do is purely visual, it serves no other purpose other than to change the way a certain section of reality looks. It's "art" in a way. I mow huge areas, plant gardens, make flowers bloom where before was crab grass and poison ivy and brambles. It looks "better", and it's certainly changed, and I try to be "soft" with what I do, to be careful to not do harm, only to enhance for effect. My "patron" pays, but anyone driving by looking may "enjoy" it at no charge. Some folks even have a term for that now, it's called "viewscape", it has a certain "value" to it, as does any other sort of "art". But, it's not "copyright-able". Should it be? should I charge a fee for looking at it? Hey, what a concept, what I create all these people are ripping me off for, they are looking at something FOR FREE, something THEY didn't create or pay a fee for! What should the license say, how long may I hold that license, where can I set up a toll booth for anyone to drop their money into as they drive by and look? Work's work, right? Although many others als
...easy enough to find, how about trade deficits? It used to be the USA was heavily into manufacturing, now that we shipped a lot of those jobs to china, we are running an annual trade deficit with them for goods to the tune of 141 billion dollars. Month by month it goes a little up or down, but the general year to year to year trend is up, always NOT in our favor.
We've had this scam "globalization" for decades now, and we have yet to have an economy where it approaches eveness, we always run a deficit with these second world nations we exported jobs to.
The biggest winners with globalization so far are CEOs and major stock brokerage concerns, the casino owners and riggers. and now, I don't count cheapert trinkets as being worthwhile, not when we are 73 TRILLION dollars in debt.
check this out, ran a simple google search, this is the latest top news story, 38% of chicago public school teachers send their children to private schools. The article goes on to comment on the national trend, urban areas in particular are getting pretty high with similar actions. The teachers themselves are voting with their own money and action, taking their children out of the schools they supposedly support. Very telling in a variety of ways. I would agree that part of the reason is that the "elite" tend to go for the perpetuation of the "elite" class, but in other areas, I think it's just because a lot of local public schools have turned into anarchial mis managed dumping grounds, glorified daytime baby sitters.
... the states and local governments extract for education, the current US federal budget for the department of education is 63 billion dollars. That is not a trivial sum. If it was entirely up to the states and local governments, all that money could be used, and an entire federal department eliminated. The states and local governments already have local administrations running that could deal with it, and if we eliminated the federal effort, all the money wasted on just running what is in essence a redundancy could be eliminated. It makes no sense to extract income taxes, filter and skim them massively through washington, then return only part of the money right back to where it came from. It's a skim, and it is part of the self perpetuating federal government bloat. It didn't exist when I was a kid, and it didn't seem to matter, we had the same schools, just run much cheaper. They created an agency or department that isn't needed. This costs money. They then say "wow, our expenses are going up so we need more tax money" Lather rinse repeat.
The federal governments primary duty appears to be perpetuating itself as a growth industry, any ancillary effect is incidental to maintaining their make-work "jobs".
Nice point on the busses. I wonder how much the school districts could save by eliminating the brainwashed addiction to professional team sports that starts in the public schools by running stealth minor league farm teams for them. A lot of bussing goes on with those activities. It has to be a lot in terms of dollars spent per year. I'd much rather see those sorts of activities be entirely paid for by the appropriate parents and the "leagues" instead of funding it with enforced property taxes and round robin income tax to washington, skim half to run a bureaucracy that is basically just a jobs program, then return it back to the schools.
I'm not against athletics, I'm against subsidising profitable multi billion a year private business, which is what team sports are in this nation. Kids can have fun and get exercise without that needless expense, and IMO, society in general would be a lot better off without the addiction to those sports. It also has an effect of encouraging jingoism, look at the rhetoric, this (insert city school) team needs to "beat" the other team, destroy them, etc. Any local paper you can see how much of an addiction it is usually.
I've also noticed an additional phenomenon. there's an elementary school up the street from me. Half (I am generally speaking, seems like a ton of cars though for a small school) the kids get driven to and from school by their parents now, you can see the cars lined up out the school property and up the street twice a day. The busses still run though, but half empty. At the nearest high school it's similar, but it'sthe students themselves that drive to schoolin huge numbers, but again, they still run the busses not very full, I've seen them taking off after school, not nearly as full as they could be.
.... hills and trees action. The US is not all the same geographically. How does he get wireless there? I'm interested because I'm in the same situation as the parent, no broadband available*. For the past year and change I've been listening to two different local whitebox shops (one of them is my dialup ISP) say they are going to open an area WISP. But so far the best I have seen is one of them has an antenna on their roof of the business and runs a single access point from there, obviously not an "area" solution. I'm really beginning to think that wireless access is going to be almost unobtanium in areas that aren't ideal for it or don't have extremely condensed population, areas that already are served with a variety of broadband solutions.
I guess maybe it's different in the plains states, etc, any place with hills and a lot of trees, wireless is very costly, you need a LOT of access points on a LOT of the higher hills to really cover an area that's city and immediate surroundings wide.
*with one exception. So far, the only universal wireless I have seen is satellite internet, and the startup hardware/install costs and recurring monthlies are very expensive, along with the problems with sat inet that have been discussed here before.
can you put a video and sound card into the Xserve and use it as a workstation then?
you get the long version of the drum solo, and you get to see the groupies up front of the stage bouncing up and down
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You may be able to replace oil with hydrogen for energy (a big maybe), but it's still used extensively in various manufactured products. That's a seriously overlooked part of the "peakoil" controversy.
With that said, and as a solar proponent and owner, and in the alpha design stages (that means I'm committed in me pea brane to do it) of my own little solar powered buggy*, this thing is ridiculous looking, and I agree, a normal human pedaled bike is a better idea. But... I'm not one to rain on any hardware geeks parade either, I hope they develop it further and make it more practical. There's a niche market for everything. Does anyone here remember the Armys "Land train"?
Niche markets
If anyone wants just an electric motor add on gizmo that fits most bikes, there's several on the market now, google is your friend there, much cheaper than 1600 clams, too. The one I saw a buddy had used a triangular flat battery pack that mounted in the frame of the bike, hung from the top tube really, it cleared your pedaling legs just fine being so slim, and the motor mounted over the real wheel and used a rubber wheel for a friction assist, and had a push button on switch on the handle bars. 15 minute or so installation, charge it, go. Had around a 5-10 mile range, but you still pedaled with it, it was more for hill climbing assist, hauling your groceries back, laundry, etc. If I could remember the name of the company I'd post it, but I know there's a variety out there, I looked before.
*nothing all that ambitious, merely an electric cart made from an old riding lawn mower frame I can use around the ole homestead here to haul a small work wagon with. Planning on using one of my panels as the vehicles roof so the majority of the time when it's just sitting it can keep the batts trickle charged. The goal is to do it with all scrounged parts, not spend anything except what I already have in my spare panel and some gear to go with it. Probably use a large truck starter motor as the main motive part as soon as I find one. This is the "no dollars" approach method.
Ya, I know, they make electric golf carts, the point is to recycle junk and make something practical out of it that I would actually use.
....all the Rs and Ds get in a war with each other and bump themselves off.......
I'm trying.....grunt... groan...sweat..... can't do it!
I just can't figger out anything wrong with that.
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back before I had a cellphone, I needed two landlines, so I got telemarketers on the phone one. Tell ya whut I used to do, I'm a fair mimic. I can pull a simpsons Abu voice pretty good(others too,k but that and Scotty are my favs), I'd make believe I was some Indian guy at an impossible to understand named store and try to sell THEM something! Much fun! I actually looked forward to telemarketers!
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Now all I use my line for is inet, so no fun there
Buy the cpu/ram/mobo now and stick it in a drawer. In 6 months get a new vid card, then a month or so later a sound card, then a month after that a new HDD, etc. Do this for one year exactly. One year from today take all that stuff out and stick it in your case. Everything will be "new to you" and much faster and much gooder. It's all relative. If you wait for prices to come down you'll wait forever.
I'm still using a 2 meg vid card.....but I don't game other than the real odd and infrequent game of mah jongg, whenver my isp craps out, which happens to them occassionaly.
... the one made out of shiny flexible metal.
This is just another example of conditioning the younger generation. Get them used to big brotherism and total surveillence/command & control. Goes along with acceptance of constant TV camera monitoring, using a thumb scanner to get a school lunch (how pavlovian can you get?) and other sorts of brainwashed response mechanisms.
We've already got the adult population conditioned to accept things that would have caused lynch mobs 100 years ago, like "random courtesy checkpoints" on the roads.
To the goons, the elite controllers, it's just part of the system, they want willing sheep, controllable herds, and the younger they get them brainwashed the better, then it's "acceptable and normal".
Hey, here's an idea! Why don't we drug the kids in the schools as well? Then we can make them even MORE controllable!
Oh ya, they do that too. Funny how all that stuff ties together.
.... and if you vote for whom you really don't want, then it's wasted, because you lied. Lied. You voted a lie. And we been electing lies for a long time now, e-vile lies and the liars who tell them.
Been hearing apologetic statist dumbasses like you for close to half a century. Half a freeking century. WAKE UP! Stop repeating lies! People have been so brainwashed into "not wasting their votes" that they have WASTED THEIR VOTES voting in Ds and Rs over and over and over and over again, and GUESS WHAT? It's the same old crap! Vote for D&R crap, get D&R crap! How simple does it need to be, how many clues you need?
Every election if enough people voted for non-crap, the NEXT election gets MORE non-crap votes, and less crap votes. See how that works? It builds from there. Tedious, but how it works, and it takes every single person who's aware of it to do it to make it effective. It has to be consistent. A vote for a third party is THAT, you are not voting for anything but that. You will NEVER get anything but a D or R if you keep voting for a D or R. NEVER. Not one time will a D or R vote get you any political action except what Ds and Rs always do, which is screw you, screw me, screw the other guy, stuff their pockets and lie to you every chance they get. Get it yet? El comprehende?
There will never be any magical time where all at once everyone will switch, NOPE, it needs to build momentum, a tiny amount at a time, and that momentum comes from one-single-vote. You only get one chance every election to add to that momentum, so make it count!
We also need a miniuum number so that third parties can be GUARANTEED TO BE ON THE BALLOT every cycle, so they don't have to waste their resources time and money just to get on the ballot. Ds and Rs are automatic! We need to break that! They don't own government, but they have seized control. It's not theirs to own! It's a freeking shared junta, a criminal cartel for profit. They need to be on the ballot in all 50 every election so we can DEMAND they be included in debates and SHAME the news media into more coverage than just Ds or Rs.
Here's an analogy, it's exactly like "stop using linux, you are "wasting your desktop and time", because next week everyone WON'T be using linux! See how retarded that sounds? Same exact deal with politics. You have to be consistent and relentless. Re-lent-less and not be dissuaded from your goal, not be pressured into this "lesser of evils" crapola. Evil is evil, there is no "lesser" and if you had been watching long enough you'd realise that.
You have to build critical mass, and it's ONE VOTE AT A TIME, EVERY TIME, going for a third party or an independent. It WON'T MATTER that much if skull and bones millionaire globalist lying scheming goon A or skull and bones globalist lying scheming goon B "gets in power" this cycle, not near as much as if the numbers of non D or R votes keep steadily rising every election, from local dogcatcher all the way to prez. BOTH those dunderheads are A-liars, first and foremost, and B globalists who care not a whit about you, and C-actors and script readers, they get told what to say and when to say it, and D, most importantly D-they are puppets. Marionettes. They are figureheads of the real powers that are behind the seat of power, and you got to not vote for that sorta action, for any reason, its anathema to what this nation was designed for.
The only "wasted" vote is one THAT IS NOT CAST.
Worser than the latest MS virus! Worser than the war in whoknowswhereistan! It's a crippling blow to all of geekdom!
I have a question, because I don't know the answer. How do you ghost all these machines with a new fresh clean copy of the OS and apps and still retain the data and know that the virus isn't still embedded in the data someplace? Seems like you'd still have to rely on a virus checker/remover, which may or may not find the problem.
...universally, is for developers to cease doing microsofts work for them. Firefox is a *patch* for a billionaire monopolist and all around corporate badguy. It's also a crutch and a false sense of security, and goes against free software ideals for the most part. IMO, big fat waste of time and resources..but.. people are quite free to do what they want. Their call of course but it's foolish and short sighted. I just think one day there's gonna be a super exploit that really borks firefox-just for one example- on windows and it will be a huge black eye to the FOSS community, and it's a constant erosion of resources as well.
Again, IMO, it's better to let microsoft in it's entirety, using just their own code, to crash and burn on the schedule that would be present if windows ports to them weren't being released as enabling crutches for continued deployment of their OS. It would force millions to take a much more critical eye towards the entire dominance of MS, both personally and in the corporate world. It would get PHB attention. It would get application developers all over attention. It would help to once and for all clarify the two opposing methods of development and business. Trying to make a bastardized blend of them is never going to work out as well as people think.
Let it crash and burn! Let MS and that whole business philsophy of "screw you, pay me!" crash and burn! You don't buy a six pack for someone you know has a serious alcohol problem. It's an analogy and as such not perfect, but I think you get my drift. Sometimes you need "tough love" to get someones attention when they have a problem, and the problem is in a ton of stories we see here all the time, vendor lock in, application lock in, wahh, we can't switch because xyz package is windows only, wah, it's still insecure and ye gads it never ends. It's called "enabling" when you help to perpetuate a basic chronic severe problem, so I say "stop enabling the further use and dominance of microsoft products". And I disagrtee with the concept that it will "lead to more adoption of Open source operating systems and other applications. All it's doing is letting MS off the hook time wise and money wise, and people won't be forced into consider what really needs to be changed, and that is the entire package of OS and applications.
Nowadays, it's a GUI world for vast majority of users. It's "there", it works. package management has been figured out with the various distros. Updates to the kernel are easy. It's move the mouse cursor around and mash on buttons, it's not rocket surgery anymore to run ANY modern OS. While no one was looking, FOSS OS and apps "got there". There is no need to keep propping up MS, they made their hundreds of billions, it's time for society to move on now to the better way of doing computer things, which means back to the real work of the world, and use computers for what they are as "tools", not the ultimate product. MS wants a check from you forever, whether you are joe home user or joe giant company, and there's no longer any *need* for that generally speaking.
It's time to retire the buggywhip manufacturers. No longer needed, it's an artificial skim on the entire economy, and it's become aggravating to deal with them, expensive and aggravating.
...with the scam voting automagically become "de law", so who is gonna investigate themselves willingly and honestly? Joe prez has a lot of power, he can tell various bureaucracies what to do and they all click heels and sieg heil and follow orders. Whistelblowers get persecuted and ignored in the press for the most part. Just like the presidential appointed 9-11 government coverup ommissions hearings, they started with a default "oh, it was all raggyheads did it" and investigated from that point.
bigfatjoke if it wasn't so serious.
I'm still gonna vote but I'm gonna do what I did in 2002, write in some candidates (well, actually I write ME in someplace where whomever is running unopposed) and see if it shows up in the result. In 2002, it didn't, first time I used diebold machine.
"To me, RAM and CPUs should be treated like drives and other peripherals, you should be able to daisy chain them better (different kinds, sizes, functions, etc) on a single machine."
--ya, I'd like to have a mobo that had different sockets on it that fit different processors that are already out there by the billions. If there was a way to assign apps as you opened them to the appropriate processor, it would be nifty. Some apps don't need much at all and will run spiffy, others can take every cycle you can throw at them. I know they don't make anything like that, but I'd still like to see it somehow, maybe even a universal generic board that the entire CPU and socket was removable, like PCI slots, just plug and play different ones in, along with a similar deal with the RAM.
I know not likely to happen, just would be neat, to me anyway.
most of my "spare" time and avaialable spare skill sweat during the day goes into trying to keep my coupla dozen small engine doo dads running for my work, along with the gasser vehicles. It never ends. All the bigger diesel stuff keeps on chugging, but small gas engines need a lot of TLC all the time. That's what I have been doing all day now besides at little break times surfing when I come in. Still hot out, even if it's september...... I cob or jury rig a lot of parts, save all the junkers to scrounge from.
Interesting about the clustering aspect with dual and more CPUs.
Why didn't you give away a working mac instead of trashing it? From what I remember a 7200 was fairly upgradeable and useful. Too slow for you might have been "wow, gots me a computer!" to someone else.
Anyway, that's what I do with most of my junker x86 machines, they go to poor farm kids (after any needed repairs, etc) around where I live who don't have any computer at all.
Don't even have to take it out I can remember clearly. At just a single 32 meg stick it sucked, it would only run what came with it NT or 95 or 98. 98 was a scosh boggy but ran. 95 is pretty fast really. GUI linux wasn't happening, well, not a gnome or kde desktop or graphical installer, it would choke. I didn't even know about alternative window managers back then and was really chicken to go some leet linux with text, as I am not much in the way of a command line guru, coming from a mac background and not windows or unix. NT4 and 95 ran swell with 32 megs. It came with NT4 installed originally, I bought the machine NIB but old surplus for 125 clams. Literally in the box, still stapled up, got all the everything with it, manuals, etc. Quite happy with it really, besides ram I've only added a slightly bigger used HDD (8 gigs instead of 1.6) and now I have a 40x CD drive instead of the 2x or whatever that was in it, again, used out of junkers. Upping it to 96 megs RAM by adding the 64 meg stick was my experiment to see if the machine was worthwhile for linux. THAT worked.(I buy kingston RAM it works for me always, but do a search for which vendor has it cheapest the day I am looking for it) When I had it like that it ran RH 7.1 and 7.2 and bluecurve 8 just fine, graphical installer, etc. Back then I did a full kitchen sink install, too, everything, but I don't do that now, need the space and don't really ever use 3/4ths of what is on a kitchen sink install so now I just mash custom and pick out what I want.. Adding the last 128 stick made it multi task better, that's about it, which makes it more practical to use. It would still multi task before, but swapped more, but still doable. I never tried RH 9, went right to FC1. I'd say if you can get by with one more reasonably priced stick of RAM go for it. Spending say 40$ clams or so is a lot cheaper than a new machine. Might get you by for a couple few more years, who knows. I know I'm planning on just adding another stick of 128 when I can get it cheap (got one more open RAM slot, so whut the heck...), and if I can find the appropriate CPU and voltage regulator used I'll add that to the mobo. I keep staring at the empty processor slot and I am intrigued, seems like for some purposes it would be much mo bettah to have both, and "just because". I'm beyond a tight budget here so I milk these machines out. I am a FIRM believer in maxing out a machines RAM if possible and affordable, no matter what machine I have done that too it has always dramatically improved performance. Heck, my GF has an old quadra someone gave her for some work, I sent away got more ram, maxed it to 64 megs. It's running Mac classic 7.5 with only IIRC a 25 mghz processor and it surfs like a big dog using iCab browser. And it used to play real audio files as well when you could still find the older codec streams like from Real 2.0.
I think vendors need to ship machines with maxed out RAM anyway, it's like going to get a car and they give you one tire instead of 4 and the rest are "options", it's just bogus, because the vendors are in the best possible volume buying situation to get the RAM the cheapest. I detest getting nickle and dimed for stuff like that. Then later on you go shopping for more RAM and it's ridiculous expensive compared to what it could be.
....in a more/bigger/faster and more throw away culture. I'm impressed! But it's also depressing! How is that? Well, tell ya, this is like the horsepower wars out of Detroit in the 60's, more cubes and higher revs with higher compression. Ok as far as it went, but........it meant throw away cars, too.
Tell ya whut I would be more impressed with technologically, if some RAM company wants to make a splash and show off some real branez. A smart and adaptive memory chip reader that you could stick in a ram slot like a daughtercard that you could then insert any mix or match multiple RAM sticks into and it would read and access and use them all.
We are awash in so called "obsolete" RAM that is still functional. It used to be just a coupla decades ago we threw away stuff when it was broken. Now we throw away perfectly fine stuff, things that aren't broken, they are just "obsolete" although they might only be a few years old.
Anyone see anything potentially wrong there? Same thing with CPUs. We have SMP mobos (and kernels), how about NON-SMP MO mobos, any braniacs got any examples of that, were you can mix and match older processors and keep using them? I know you can make a cluster whatsis with older boxes, I am talking a single machine that you could add tons of older oddball ram sticks to and plug in a variety of CPUs.
To me, RAM and CPUs should be treated like drives and other peripherals, you should be able to daisy chain them better (different kinds, sizes, functions, etc) on a single machine.
This machine I am on is a 200PP and I'm running gnome desktop on FC2 with 224 megs ram just fine. It's a dual CPU mobo but I only have one processor currently (weird one to find used), so I imagine it would run better with the other CPU installed and maxing the ram out. Only issue I finally ran into was installation, up to FC1 starting with RH 7.1 the graphical installer worked, this time I was forced to text based, but after that, it just works.
Currently have moz suite with 21 tabs open (I'm a news and forum junky, yeh),usually not that many though, usually around a dozen, the email is open, running xmms on a low bit rate live talk radio stream,it's fine, got one terminal window running, weather applet, yada yada. Not the most powerful or fast experience, but eminently tolerable. I don't know if broadband would help much, probably, stuck on rural dialup for now. As for apps, I admit open office is teh sux on this thing so I don't install it anymore, and mplayer is mostly unusable, in fact I'll probably not install it when FC3 is released. Xine is so-so but usable. And I know I could pop open a few more apps without much of a loss like irc, etc. I am pretty impressed with linux ability to multi task on lower quality machines, near as I can see, RAM is lots more important than CPU, when I added that last stick of 128 it made it useable, before that, nope. I got a max of 512 I can install but finding antique ram that's affordable ain't happening.
Just checked, mashed reload on a few tabs and opened system monitor, CPU is running at around 40%, RAM is using 165 megs and 99 in swap.
I fooled around with hdparm before but it really didn't amount to much in the way of noticeable difference, of course that could be me not doing it correctly I admit.
OK, not loading tabs and just idling, it dropped to hovering around 20% CPU, 161 RAM and swap went up a scosh to 103 megs for some reason.
and there ya go for a PP200 (IBM box) report