....and make unlimited copies of cars for basically zero cost, then yes, of course, we should just give them away for free. there would be no need to "steal" such a copy, it just wouldn't happen. Maybe some day we will have replicators for tangible products.
The deal is, a copy (of as copy of a copy) of an intangible is still that, a copy of an intangible. A society may choose to make an intangible an artificially valuable product that may or may not be sold, but that is up to society to adopt or to reject, it is not intrinsically a default that any random intangible should be, or even could be everm treated as a tangible product, or that intangibles and tangibles are the "same thing"..
The idea that a copy of an intangible, that is so cheap to produce as to have a cost approaching theoretical zero, should be of such worth that it is treated the same as any tangible product is just an abstract way of looking at it, it is not the universal way, that's why you see other nations ignoring the "worth" of an intangible and allowing free replication, because they have determined the greater good is in the development and universal access to the technology used to make such copies is of "more" worth than the ability of society to try and restrict this technology and use. It was determined that encouraging the freedom to use intangible replicators for intangibles was perfectly fair and a fine thing to do. I would imagine they will feel the same as soon as we have tangible replicators.
The entire deal of using technology was to free humans from drudgery and to "share" the results of knowledge widely, so that all may benefit. It is only in some places and in some peoples minds that this sharing is someone wrong and criminal. It is not by nature or intent or design, the "same" as theft of a tangible product, the property of another. You may call it that, but it doesn't make it so.
If you wish to offer a tangible product "for sale" that is your right, do so, some may purchase your product. If you wish to claim that an intangible is somehow of substance, that you can hold it in your hand, that this intangible product is the same as a tangible product and claim that someone has "stolen" your vaporus hallucination, than you would be wrong, as it cannot be done. You may try to force your views on others, even a so called government might, but they would be engaging in..well, totalitarian measures. They are enforcing a loss of technology, to restrict it to a few, so that a few may profit immensely from the transfer of an intangible that is approaching the sum of zero in cost in terms of money involved. A physical medium, with weight and substance and normal costs involved, is a completelydifferent matter, that is,in fact, a tangible and may be considered property in all places and nations and cultures. Intangibles are only considered property in some places, and usually in places where greed and narrow mindedness and..hysteria in the clinical sense, has overshadowed common sense, rationality and a spirit of neighborliness and commonality with your fellows.
When dealing with such as intangibles, you may attempt to force the notion that your emperor has clothes on, and they are splendind and lustrous, but if people are sane, rational and use common sense, they will merely glance and see that your emperor is in fact naked, has no clothes on, and merely legislating by decree and edict that he "has splendid and lustrous clothes on" does not make it so.
really, what's wrong with a webform? You go googling for some product you are interested in. If you don't want to finalise the transaction right then, and need more info, you find a supplier you like. You are gonna fill out a webform on an https webpage anyway if you go to straight buy the product right then and there, and you include your email so he can whitelist YOU. Or, you'd like to get more info before you make a purchase, so you type just as much stuff as you would in an email except it's in a box on the web page you are already at.. You are at a dead neutral in "effort". You hit enter, same as hitting send in an email. The vendor gets your email addy,sends you the info you requested. You have put the vendor on your whitelist obviously. What's the diff? Where is it? Because it's not *called* email with the very first contact?
why should grandma lose her email "rights"if she gets rooted and zombiefied? for the same reason like someone who fails an emissions test from bad engine maintenace can't get their cars re registered until they fix the problem, because the state-we the people-*say so*, figuring less pollution is a mostly a good idea. Whether grandma knew her car was overly polluting or not. All spam is is internet pollution, enforced minimum "good netiquette" standads just might be a good idea, and nowadays, there's no reason to have a zombied machine except willful ignorance and a general uncaring attitude. everyone has heard of spam and viruses and wehatnot who's on the net now. Every-single-person. If MY machine got zombiefied it wouldn't bother me AT ALL to be temporarily blocked from email, because I certainly would want to know about it. happens to everyone, the potential anyway. It's just how you handle it. If I got one final email from the ISP saying, "well hombre, you are zombiefied, clean up your machine,then we'll let you back to using your email account", I would APPRECIATE the info if I didn't know about it. It's called "tough love", being forced into civilised behavior, whether you knew about the uncivilised behavior or not. Honest righteous people want to be clean and not be unwitting spammers or virus spewers, sometimes they just need to be told about it,at any age.
I like what we said in the 60's, it's still relevant today:
"you are part of the problem, or part of the solution"
Anything not on the whitelist gets tarpitted. Businesses and individuals needing to have a "cold call" method of receiving legit email from people for the first time can use web forms, or even 1-800 numbers for the first contact. Blacklist *all other email*.
I'd like to know the pluses and minuses of that idea. It seems reasonable emnough, and not all that hard to implement, and it gets around having to have a new mail protocol. I can see a few problems, but it seems like that would pretty effectively eliminate most spam.
I have that one here,it's a live or installable distro, knoppix remaster, total 64 megs, and it's a dang nice more or less complete desktop. The oldest/slowest box I have run it on is a computer I just gave away to a nieghbor kid today, a 166 with 32 megs ram,it booted just fine, faster than the 98se that is on the hard drive in fact.
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... because every year, people-"power users" and whatnot, who drive the brand new market, who buy newlaptops INSIST they need the laptops much lighter than the year before. The battery tech is there, chemiccal reaction batteries reached a high point awhile ago. IF laptop buyers would indicate directly to the companies that they could "struggle by" with a laptop that weighed the same as the laptop they had just a very few years ago, and put the weight difference back into a REASONABLY sized battery that did what it was supposed to do, then laptops today would have much better battery life. Laptops buyers need to make up their minds, can they and will they physically carry one or two more lbs, to have the same power and feature set laptop they have now, but with amuch better battery in it? This "battery problem" solution is right there and it's dog squat simple. That's all it would take to get good life from them. The laptop makers are NOT idjits, they are giving "you" what you demand the most,and most people want stylish & lightweight over functional and good battery life. You can have stylish and functional and good battery life, but not at two lbs or something ridiculous like that, not today anyway. You *need* a modern 3 lb laptop with a two lb battery, so that means between 5(one decent sized non toy sized battery) and 7 lbs (two beefy batteries onboard), and that's just reality, and they don't make them like that anymore because people refuse to carry them or buy them, it's "too heavy" for them or something. Catch 22, you need 3 things, chose any two. The buyers decide, not the companies. Light and stylish won,. Battery life suffers, almost negating the significance of having a portable,people complain about battery life,but I doubt less than 1/100th of one percent of new laptop buyers ever bothered to send a letter to vendor-x marketing telling them they WOULD buy a heavier laptop with the same features as the "cool" new lightweight version but with a whopper batt or two, an all day battery range in other words. I bet not even joe huge company that buys 1000 new laptops at a time bothers. But hey, it sure *looks* cool!
First company to offer me affordable wireless broadband gets my loot! Costs me 70 bucks a bunch total for a phone line I only use for internet and a dial up connection. It's obvious that none of the wired broadband options are ever going to happen this century, not for the bulk of the rural US they aren't. No one gives a crap, they only want to quad wire + quad wireless enable like starbucks and within two blocks of them, and that's it. They don't care about the rest of the market. Fine, I'll spend my money with someone who DOES care. Current satellite wireless is OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive, like 7-8oo clams just for the additional hardware, then 70 a month for a so so connection. So these guys use some old tech with some new in an innovative fashion = "a solution" - good on them!
Of course, I wonder how they are going to keep them in place at that altitude. I don't care what they use for an energy source, that's a lot of wind to deal with to stay more or less stationary, so the cost and maintenance will be part of the connection price, wiggled in, but still, hope it works out!
hmm, I was thinking of lightning, but maybe there isn't much at that altitude? I don't know, must be some atmospheric/meteorological geeks here would know that.
universal "legal" mp3 and dvd playback included with the install? As in no grey market mplayer stuff? That might be a factor as well. And Lindows has been pushing it, they are honestly trying to market it,to make "linux" into something to sell, a business. Witness their deal with walmart for instance. At least they are trying to get linux to the desktop and address some of the issues raised in the "which distro for the raw noob" great debates.
And I also thought I read they changed that run as root default as well, but maybe I am thinking of another distro that was doing that.
I live in georgia (since 84) and I've heard that many times down here. It is not entirely universal, but it's common enough to call any pop or soda a coke.
like at a construction site I was working at - "hey, ya'all, 'm'going to pick up some cokes n ice, whatch ya'all want?" Then the dudes chime in with what they want, various flavors. Heard it like that a buncha times.
... person you are recommending it to, and whether or not you are right there to help them get started. I think with one hour instruction from someone anyone could use fedora right now, but I ALSO think that applies to windows and mac as well. That is important to remember. If it's just you telling aunt martha on the phone to go get it, nope. she would be confused no matter what it was, windows, mac, linux, any flavor. If it's you able to go over to aunt marthas house and just hand hold for a short install period and give a little set of pointers, etc, then it's swell. If it's a person who is a power user either mac or windows, they won't have any problems with it that I could see. Really, the MP3 playback is the only one I can see really bugging joe everybody right out of the box, and it's not that hard to fix with any even dismal googling skills. You can type in mp3, fedora, and find the fix with the first few hits. if they can't do that, they shouldn't be on the internet unsupervised yet, with ANY distro. Perhaps geting it installed dual boot would be the only major problem. About the only other thing I would tell newbs is not to do a kitchen sink install, because they don't need servers installed on their machines. Maybe if some kind person would release a "fedora lite" version that is just a joe homeowner version that fits on one CD it would be better, and one that came with normally uneeded services turned-off better, and the more "exotic" repositories installed in the sources list. A release like that WOULD be ready for joe casual newbie I think. If they can get on the net,work their firewall so include firestarter by default, use some media player to view/listen to ALL the stupid ridiculous formats out there, write and save a document, use email, have some chat functions, and their printer works, that's really about it, that would cover at least 90% of the needs of 90% of computer users out there. The last 10% they can go figure out, because that's such a huge variable, and I think that's where distros get in trouble,and where it gets hard, covering that last ten percent. Even at that level you (could) have a TON more stuff that comes with windows default install, and it's better quality and more secure, and easy enough to use, and costs a lot less than xp or osx.
I'd do it myself if I knew what I was doing. I don't really NEED 4 cds worth of stuff for my home useage purposes. I got stuff on here I have no idea what it does, and I don't care, it seems I never use it anyway. And I only ever install gnome now, I don't need even more duplification of apps, and I don't get into kde versus gnome versus obscure window manager nonsense. I picked gnome because it's obviously what redhat intergalactic likes better, that's all, and I picked redhat because it's big enough it's not going away into obscurity any time soon, and I picked fedora because it's the freebie version, although I popped for the paid redhat before. And fedora can be as pedestrian as you want, or souped up and turbocharged all you want, so it's OK to have that.
Basically, apps are apps are apps in linux land, they are available to anyone once you get into to for more than a month, so what you start with isn't that important as long as it's a binary based distro with a good installer. Any of them are good enough, especially if they were stripped down. I've never tried any of the slicker costlier ones like xandros or linspire or whatnot, so I don't have a frame of reference if they are all that much easier to use for a raw new computer user. Fedora "as is" is very close though now, heck, the RH 7 series was pretty good really, once they went to ext 3 by default.
what is it, you can only use some machine to hold thousands of songs that runs firewire underwater with a towed sonar array of wifi blue/green/black tooth command and control interface reverse satellite uplink functionality, OR WHAT? Just in order to hear what is currently passing as music? Phooie. I got a couple combo cassette players with built in radios, small form factor, hang off your belt jobbies,stick an earbud in, the original "portable personal music players". They all still work *fine*..run on these advanced things called "batteries" you can snag at any drugstore or quickstore. Between the two "formats", you can have "music on the way to the office", or in the office for that matter. Work in trains, planes and automobiles due to their exquisite ergonomic design and other folderah.. Carrying a few cassettes is not that hard to do, and you can still make your own copies of cassettes with the tunes/noise racket *you* want to listen to, even mix AND match, or find a station that is "close enough" to your tastes you can struggle by with it. Cassettes make it a lot harder to either steal data or introduce malware, so it's a viable option to satisfy those companies requirements. Remember, the primary reason to be going wherever you are going is "work" not "to be entertained and get paid for it".
This reminds me of the "back in the day" subthread funnies we get all the time, except in this case it's *absolutely* TRUE, BOTH WAYS UPHILL IN A BLIZZARD, WITH BADGERS GNAWING ON US. AND WE LIKED IT!
Kids these days, BAH! Spoiled rotten. They all need to spend a few years working outside doing grunt work for near minimun rage pay, or inside some place like a chicken processing plant or foundry, then MAYBE they will get a better appreciation of high paid cushy jobs, especially the "high paid" and the "cushy" parts of those "jobs".
do you have any extra old sub gigabyte hard drives kicking around? Them nice old slow reliable ones? Maybe you can put the boot image there, and just add another hardrive to those machines. I'm running a PP 200 but mine boots from CD, so it wasn't a problem installing, other than using text based installer, which wasn't a problem as it does the same stuff as the graphical, just faster and better on much older machines.
run up2date from the command line. Whenever you see the "throbbing icon" switch to an exclamation point from a check mark, go to a console, su to root, type up2date -u then mash enter then go about your business,. it works great then. I agree the graphical version sucketh, but the cli version works perfectly fine. For new stuff, I added some repositories to my apt sources, use synaptic front end to check them out every few days,pick out whatever new and shiny I might want, then go back to command line to run apt as well. And I do NOT know why the gui versions are buggy, but they are, but the cli version always work on my old coal burner box and dial up connection. I just last night tried out the GUI front end for yum from cobind based on a link I saw on another thread, it's still sitting here with a blank window that is unreadable. it apparently started downloading stuff I picked last night, but it won't display to tell me what really happened, it's doing the same thing that up2date gui used to do to me, just not finish rendering it's window. So, back to cli for me with yum.
I more think of fedora as a distro more for advanced or intermediate hobbyists than for newbies. It's close to being ready out of the box for joe everybody, but not quite there yet, and even then, if they follow their roadmap, will always have testing/unstable aspects to it, done on purpose. It's for people who don't mind and want to be beta testers, people in the linux enthusiast community. It's supposed to be one step ahead of the official redhat "stable" version, and even the redhat stable version is just now being touted officially as suitable for a corporate desktop with professional IT admins on staff, not for the home user, not yet anyway. I use fedora, and I know I'll have to tweak some stuff when I get it and install it. It's still pretty dang good though, I haven't run into any show stoppers yet with it,any that really concern me anyway, and I'd consider myself only barely above newbie status, especially on the command line and being able to diagnose and repair/modify things. Media playback for all the formats gives me the most grief. Fixing the MP3 "problem" was easy, geting other propietary media formats to work cleanly is another issue entirely. I don't have a lot of USB or wireless, etc, so I can't comment there.
Correct. When you have the same policies being parroted by both dominant parties, you will always get the same results. there are a few minor policy differences in public speeches, but once the rubber hits the road our domestic and foreign policy is dictated to the politicians by the mostly unseen international banking/military/pharmco, etc indistrial owners and controllers. You can even trace it back to things like the UN, created by the military industrial complex guys to give an illusion of trying to sort out the worlds problems. Heh, it would be simple enough to sort out a lot of the the worlds problems if the big bankers didn't fund (weren't allowed) all comers and to supply dictators with police state tools and weapons, etc for instance.
well, two parties that almost completely function as one party seems to be the magic number. We have many parties, just they have little support, as we have an hereditary brainwashing that goes even into the public school system that the two parties we have now are the "official" parties, even though it is no where in law. They control the public debates, the way districts are drawn, how the primary system works and ballot access, etc. We have had a couple of spoiler elections, with the american independent party and with the reform party, but both those efforts were basically one shot deals, even though remnants remain.
Part of the reason is that over the years the federal government has bvasically seized a lot of the functions that were previously state functions. Our states are supposed to act as almost completely independent countries, with the federal government having limited, but important, duties and functions. Now the states basically act as rubber stamps for all but trivial functions. That tends to reinforce the "two is but one" party system, that and having it legal to be a professional career politicians.
Incidently, a good score for the conspiracy guys like me this morning. If you watch who attends the bilderberg conferences, those important but never covered in the mainstream media much meetings of the worlds elite, you can always get a clue as to who is "in" in the next political cycle and who is "out". John Edwards attended this years held last month in italy, today he gets the VP nod. Not surprising to us.
I find it most peculiar that with all the attention events like the G8 summits and the WTO meetings, etc get with the so called "left" and demonstrations, etc, that for some magical reason bilderberg (really a lot more important meeting than the previous two) gets almost completely ignored by the protesters. Of course, I guess I know why, at top leadership levels inside those various orgs they get compromised and work for "the man". I saw it years ago when I was first entering politics and was in the "conservation movement" and found out the higher up you go, the more you can find out they get paid off by the large corporations, even though at lower and more public levels they apparently "protest" the same corporations.
That's one of many reasons why I look and think differently when it comes to politics, I KNOW it is a lot more uniform at the real international "controller" levels then they want all the various grassroots to realise. It is a controlled opposition, done on purpose, to perpetuate the illusion of choice and that the grassroots still has any practical pull to it. Keeps the serfs happy in other words.
I agree in theory. I am of the strong opinion that at the upper levels, there is no difference in the two apparent major parties we have. We have a globalist corporate party that runs two candidates in most elections. Each of their candidates is tasked to appeal to certain identified sets of people, they read the scripts the subsets want to hear, this insures the corporate party (the public political side of the military industrial complex eisenhower warned us about) always "wins", and that's about it. The new evoting just further insures this, as the rise of the internet could only logically go to helping third parties and independents, who were stymied in the past by the corporate media controlling the "news" to such an extent that with only a few exceptions, kept independents and alternative parties out of any mainstream notice. the internet has broken that monopoly. My only regret is so many grassroots activists are still failing to notice this, and still insist their major "party" is the savior or some other illogicity.
I have a real vague recollection as a kid of seeing a DC comics bad guy called "the spider-man",with the hyphen, and he was very round and fat with extra legs. But that's all I remember, and it might not have even been DC.
...anyone trying to determine anything relating to the internet and IP addresses, would have to notice there are things called DNS and search engines activated by keyword search algorithyms. This, a clever lawyer might say, is "publication in a peer journal", if it can be proven that the search terms would lead to the prior art site readily. If it's published on the web, it's published. If it's easily found, it's easily found. The web contains your peers as a subset of everyone. You have to search in a brticks and mortar library, either by actually looking here and there, or using a card catalog, or a microfoche catalog and slides, and so forth. Searching is searching.
Need to bust these bogus patents. Need to bust up IP patents in general, take it back to tangibles only.
Interesting trivia, when was the first non tangible patent issued, and what was it, and why was it issued?
it's just not needed. It's attempting to find a solution for a problem that never existed in the first place. when it was just pure paper, it was sonmewhat screrwy but tolerable and limited to a few places. then they went to mechanical systems and the fraud and tally got worse. Now they have gone to no checks and balances black box voiting, and already we have overwhelming evidence it's completely insecure, and enough evidence to at least invgestigate the hiijacking claims. I am of the opinion it was hijacked on the last vote, as we had several candidates who failed to get elected despite pre and post vote polls showing them the most probable winners.
Moot point for me. As long as the single corporate party keeps succerssfully faking people out that there's any significant difference,like they are right now with the ridiculous so called differences between globalist niminee A or B, we will still have a screwed up crooked government. I still vote, but outside of the local races, I think the vote is mostly irrelevant now. State level and higher,maybe even county level or higher in the larger counties, the politicians who "win" get selected in back room deals and with big money at stake, they don't get elected by the people, nor do they ever represent the people. It's a charade basically. Just now with computerised voting they can "prove" the corporate party wins all over, whomever that might be that day.
al queda? I don't think it's a good analogy. Don Coreleone and his business partners is more like it. Any crime is OK to make money. anyone not in the family is a legiot target for a crime. any underling in the family must submiot to orders to stay in the family. Co opt and coerce governmental employees. Make sure your business rivals fail, and fail hard, no matter if your business is a worse deal for the neighborhood. Be ruthless. Lie to get ahead. Cheat and steal to get ahead. Don't do any legit busines if there's more profit in illegitimate or unethical business.
They seem to fit bettee there than with an al queda description. al queda has a political agenda, not a money agenda.
Frankly, all I see when I look there at redmond is a huge monopoly that has never cared very much at all about it's products, compared to how it's products got marketed and what the markup was and the black over the red. They never had any interest in conducting business fairly, just to do whatever it took to dominate. Whenever caught up in a falsehood or a discrepency, they change the subject and blame the consumer for it, or anyone else but admit they screwed up on anything. Quality and functionality have always been way down the list of priorities, especially if it would cost them any profits. It is the clearest example of criminal corporate greed ever, dwarfs even haliburton or enron.
I feel sorry for the folks stuck working there. I doubt there's that many people who really enjoy it or who are mising the realities of it. I think at the top levels they are crooks, down lower, they just have workers with not many options for employment in their chocen fields, so they stick with it, because they are stuck. there are probably a few who enjoy it immensely, but I doubt they are in any sort of majority there, hence, i feel just as sorry for them as joe consumer users with the bug of the day on his machine.
... when I filed my protest at my precinct the first time we used the diebold machines. The elderly lady poll offocial had zero clue what I was talking about. Her response was "we can run it twice, then it's checked and verified" paraphrasing. She didn't get it. Next they made me talk to some diebold doofus on the phone, he KNEW what I was talking about but insisted it was an accurate count. I said "prove it, let's see the code, on every machine". Of course he refused, he said "sonmeone might tamper with it" I said, "who, you guys?". They wouldn't even admit it was accessible remotely via modem during the election itself, that has come out later.
You can't verify jack squat, you are forced to take their word for it, and so far what has leaked out shows they are liars with a serious political agenda to hijack the vote and to profit from that and the artificial creation of busywork jobs.
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....and make unlimited copies of cars for basically zero cost, then yes, of course, we should just give them away for free. there would be no need to "steal" such a copy, it just wouldn't happen. Maybe some day we will have replicators for tangible products.
The deal is, a copy (of as copy of a copy) of an intangible is still that, a copy of an intangible. A society may choose to make an intangible an artificially valuable product that may or may not be sold, but that is up to society to adopt or to reject, it is not intrinsically a default that any random intangible should be, or even could be everm treated as a tangible product, or that intangibles and tangibles are the "same thing"..
The idea that a copy of an intangible, that is so cheap to produce as to have a cost approaching theoretical zero, should be of such worth that it is treated the same as any tangible product is just an abstract way of looking at it, it is not the universal way, that's why you see other nations ignoring the "worth" of an intangible and allowing free replication, because they have determined the greater good is in the development and universal access to the technology used to make such copies is of "more" worth than the ability of society to try and restrict this technology and use. It was determined that encouraging the freedom to use intangible replicators for intangibles was perfectly fair and a fine thing to do. I would imagine they will feel the same as soon as we have tangible replicators.
The entire deal of using technology was to free humans from drudgery and to "share" the results of knowledge widely, so that all may benefit. It is only in some places and in some peoples minds that this sharing is someone wrong and criminal. It is not by nature or intent or design, the "same" as theft of a tangible product, the property of another. You may call it that, but it doesn't make it so.
If you wish to offer a tangible product "for sale" that is your right, do so, some may purchase your product. If you wish to claim that an intangible is somehow of substance, that you can hold it in your hand, that this intangible product is the same as a tangible product and claim that someone has "stolen" your vaporus hallucination, than you would be wrong, as it cannot be done. You may try to force your views on others, even a so called government might, but they would be engaging in..well, totalitarian measures. They are enforcing a loss of technology, to restrict it to a few, so that a few may profit immensely from the transfer of an intangible that is approaching the sum of zero in cost in terms of money involved. A physical medium, with weight and substance and normal costs involved, is a completelydifferent matter, that is,in fact, a tangible and may be considered property in all places and nations and cultures. Intangibles are only considered property in some places, and usually in places where greed and narrow mindedness and..hysteria in the clinical sense, has overshadowed common sense, rationality and a spirit of neighborliness and commonality with your fellows.
When dealing with such as intangibles, you may attempt to force the notion that your emperor has clothes on, and they are splendind and lustrous, but if people are sane, rational and use common sense, they will merely glance and see that your emperor is in fact naked, has no clothes on, and merely legislating by decree and edict that he "has splendid and lustrous clothes on" does not make it so.
really, what's wrong with a webform? You go googling for some product you are interested in. If you don't want to finalise the transaction right then, and need more info, you find a supplier you like. You are gonna fill out a webform on an https webpage anyway if you go to straight buy the product right then and there, and you include your email so he can whitelist YOU. Or, you'd like to get more info before you make a purchase, so you type just as much stuff as you would in an email except it's in a box on the web page you are already at.. You are at a dead neutral in "effort". You hit enter, same as hitting send in an email. The vendor gets your email addy,sends you the info you requested. You have put the vendor on your whitelist obviously. What's the diff? Where is it? Because it's not *called* email with the very first contact?
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why should grandma lose her email "rights"if she gets rooted and zombiefied? for the same reason like someone who fails an emissions test from bad engine maintenace can't get their cars re registered until they fix the problem, because the state-we the people-*say so*, figuring less pollution is a mostly a good idea. Whether grandma knew her car was overly polluting or not. All spam is is internet pollution, enforced minimum "good netiquette" standads just might be a good idea, and nowadays, there's no reason to have a zombied machine except willful ignorance and a general uncaring attitude. everyone has heard of spam and viruses and wehatnot who's on the net now. Every-single-person. If MY machine got zombiefied it wouldn't bother me AT ALL to be temporarily blocked from email, because I certainly would want to know about it. happens to everyone, the potential anyway. It's just how you handle it. If I got one final email from the ISP saying, "well hombre, you are zombiefied, clean up your machine,then we'll let you back to using your email account", I would APPRECIATE the info if I didn't know about it. It's called "tough love", being forced into civilised behavior, whether you knew about the uncivilised behavior or not. Honest righteous people want to be clean and not be unwitting spammers or virus spewers, sometimes they just need to be told about it,at any age.
I like what we said in the 60's, it's still relevant today:
"you are part of the problem, or part of the solution"
Anything not on the whitelist gets tarpitted. Businesses and individuals needing to have a "cold call" method of receiving legit email from people for the first time can use web forms, or even 1-800 numbers for the first contact. Blacklist *all other email*.
I'd like to know the pluses and minuses of that idea. It seems reasonable emnough, and not all that hard to implement, and it gets around having to have a new mail protocol. I can see a few problems, but it seems like that would pretty effectively eliminate most spam.
I have that one here,it's a live or installable distro, knoppix remaster, total 64 megs, and it's a dang nice more or less complete desktop. The oldest/slowest box I have run it on is a computer I just gave away to a nieghbor kid today, a 166 with 32 megs ram,it booted just fine, faster than the 98se that is on the hard drive in fact.
... because every year, people-"power users" and whatnot, who drive the brand new market, who buy newlaptops INSIST they need the laptops much lighter than the year before. The battery tech is there, chemiccal reaction batteries reached a high point awhile ago. IF laptop buyers would indicate directly to the companies that they could "struggle by" with a laptop that weighed the same as the laptop they had just a very few years ago, and put the weight difference back into a REASONABLY sized battery that did what it was supposed to do, then laptops today would have much better battery life. Laptops buyers need to make up their minds, can they and will they physically carry one or two more lbs, to have the same power and feature set laptop they have now, but with amuch better battery in it? This "battery problem" solution is right there and it's dog squat simple. That's all it would take to get good life from them. The laptop makers are NOT idjits, they are giving "you" what you demand the most,and most people want stylish & lightweight over functional and good battery life. You can have stylish and functional and good battery life, but not at two lbs or something ridiculous like that, not today anyway. You *need* a modern 3 lb laptop with a two lb battery, so that means between 5(one decent sized non toy sized battery) and 7 lbs (two beefy batteries onboard), and that's just reality, and they don't make them like that anymore because people refuse to carry them or buy them, it's "too heavy" for them or something. Catch 22, you need 3 things, chose any two. The buyers decide, not the companies. Light and stylish won,. Battery life suffers, almost negating the significance of having a portable,people complain about battery life,but I doubt less than 1/100th of one percent of new laptop buyers ever bothered to send a letter to vendor-x marketing telling them they WOULD buy a heavier laptop with the same features as the "cool" new lightweight version but with a whopper batt or two, an all day battery range in other words. I bet not even joe huge company that buys 1000 new laptops at a time bothers. But hey, it sure *looks* cool!
First company to offer me affordable wireless broadband gets my loot! Costs me 70 bucks a bunch total for a phone line I only use for internet and a dial up connection. It's obvious that none of the wired broadband options are ever going to happen this century, not for the bulk of the rural US they aren't. No one gives a crap, they only want to quad wire + quad wireless enable like starbucks and within two blocks of them, and that's it. They don't care about the rest of the market. Fine, I'll spend my money with someone who DOES care. Current satellite wireless is OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive, like 7-8oo clams just for the additional hardware, then 70 a month for a so so connection. So these guys use some old tech with some new in an innovative fashion = "a solution" - good on them!
Of course, I wonder how they are going to keep them in place at that altitude. I don't care what they use for an energy source, that's a lot of wind to deal with to stay more or less stationary, so the cost and maintenance will be part of the connection price, wiggled in, but still, hope it works out!
hmm, I was thinking of lightning, but maybe there isn't much at that altitude? I don't know, must be some atmospheric/meteorological geeks here would know that.
universal "legal" mp3 and dvd playback included with the install? As in no grey market mplayer stuff? That might be a factor as well. And Lindows has been pushing it, they are honestly trying to market it,to make "linux" into something to sell, a business. Witness their deal with walmart for instance. At least they are trying to get linux to the desktop and address some of the issues raised in the "which distro for the raw noob" great debates.
And I also thought I read they changed that run as root default as well, but maybe I am thinking of another distro that was doing that.
Disclaimer, never seen it or tried it yet myself
I live in georgia (since 84) and I've heard that many times down here. It is not entirely universal, but it's common enough to call any pop or soda a coke.
like at a construction site I was working at - "hey, ya'all, 'm'going to pick up some cokes n ice, whatch ya'all want?" Then the dudes chime in with what they want, various flavors. Heard it like that a buncha times.
I have to say, I don't drink and I still thought that was funny as heck!
... person you are recommending it to, and whether or not you are right there to help them get started. I think with one hour instruction from someone anyone could use fedora right now, but I ALSO think that applies to windows and mac as well. That is important to remember. If it's just you telling aunt martha on the phone to go get it, nope. she would be confused no matter what it was, windows, mac, linux, any flavor. If it's you able to go over to aunt marthas house and just hand hold for a short install period and give a little set of pointers, etc, then it's swell. If it's a person who is a power user either mac or windows, they won't have any problems with it that I could see. Really, the MP3 playback is the only one I can see really bugging joe everybody right out of the box, and it's not that hard to fix with any even dismal googling skills. You can type in mp3, fedora, and find the fix with the first few hits. if they can't do that, they shouldn't be on the internet unsupervised yet, with ANY distro. Perhaps geting it installed dual boot would be the only major problem. About the only other thing I would tell newbs is not to do a kitchen sink install, because they don't need servers installed on their machines. Maybe if some kind person would release a "fedora lite" version that is just a joe homeowner version that fits on one CD it would be better, and one that came with normally uneeded services turned-off better, and the more "exotic" repositories installed in the sources list. A release like that WOULD be ready for joe casual newbie I think. If they can get on the net,work their firewall so include firestarter by default, use some media player to view/listen to ALL the stupid ridiculous formats out there, write and save a document, use email, have some chat functions, and their printer works, that's really about it, that would cover at least 90% of the needs of 90% of computer users out there. The last 10% they can go figure out, because that's such a huge variable, and I think that's where distros get in trouble,and where it gets hard, covering that last ten percent. Even at that level you (could) have a TON more stuff that comes with windows default install, and it's better quality and more secure, and easy enough to use, and costs a lot less than xp or osx.
I'd do it myself if I knew what I was doing. I don't really NEED 4 cds worth of stuff for my home useage purposes. I got stuff on here I have no idea what it does, and I don't care, it seems I never use it anyway. And I only ever install gnome now, I don't need even more duplification of apps, and I don't get into kde versus gnome versus obscure window manager nonsense. I picked gnome because it's obviously what redhat intergalactic likes better, that's all, and I picked redhat because it's big enough it's not going away into obscurity any time soon, and I picked fedora because it's the freebie version, although I popped for the paid redhat before. And fedora can be as pedestrian as you want, or souped up and turbocharged all you want, so it's OK to have that.
Basically, apps are apps are apps in linux land, they are available to anyone once you get into to for more than a month, so what you start with isn't that important as long as it's a binary based distro with a good installer. Any of them are good enough, especially if they were stripped down. I've never tried any of the slicker costlier ones like xandros or linspire or whatnot, so I don't have a frame of reference if they are all that much easier to use for a raw new computer user. Fedora "as is" is very close though now, heck, the RH 7 series was pretty good really, once they went to ext 3 by default.
what is it, you can only use some machine to hold thousands of songs that runs firewire underwater with a towed sonar array of wifi blue/green/black tooth command and control interface reverse satellite uplink functionality, OR WHAT? Just in order to hear what is currently passing as music? Phooie. I got a couple combo cassette players with built in radios, small form factor, hang off your belt jobbies,stick an earbud in, the original "portable personal music players". They all still work *fine*..run on these advanced things called "batteries" you can snag at any drugstore or quickstore. Between the two "formats", you can have "music on the way to the office", or in the office for that matter. Work in trains, planes and automobiles due to their exquisite ergonomic design and other folderah.. Carrying a few cassettes is not that hard to do, and you can still make your own copies of cassettes with the tunes/noise racket *you* want to listen to, even mix AND match, or find a station that is "close enough" to your tastes you can struggle by with it. Cassettes make it a lot harder to either steal data or introduce malware, so it's a viable option to satisfy those companies requirements. Remember, the primary reason to be going wherever you are going is "work" not "to be entertained and get paid for it".
This reminds me of the "back in the day" subthread funnies we get all the time, except in this case it's *absolutely* TRUE, BOTH WAYS UPHILL IN A BLIZZARD, WITH BADGERS GNAWING ON US. AND WE LIKED IT!
Kids these days, BAH! Spoiled rotten. They all need to spend a few years working outside doing grunt work for near minimun rage pay, or inside some place like a chicken processing plant or foundry, then MAYBE they will get a better appreciation of high paid cushy jobs, especially the "high paid" and the "cushy" parts of those "jobs".
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do you have any extra old sub gigabyte hard drives kicking around? Them nice old slow reliable ones? Maybe you can put the boot image there, and just add another hardrive to those machines. I'm running a PP 200 but mine boots from CD, so it wasn't a problem installing, other than using text based installer, which wasn't a problem as it does the same stuff as the graphical, just faster and better on much older machines.
run up2date from the command line. Whenever you see the "throbbing icon" switch to an exclamation point from a check mark, go to a console, su to root, type up2date -u then mash enter then go about your business,. it works great then. I agree the graphical version sucketh, but the cli version works perfectly fine. For new stuff, I added some repositories to my apt sources, use synaptic front end to check them out every few days,pick out whatever new and shiny I might want, then go back to command line to run apt as well. And I do NOT know why the gui versions are buggy, but they are, but the cli version always work on my old coal burner box and dial up connection. I just last night tried out the GUI front end for yum from cobind based on a link I saw on another thread, it's still sitting here with a blank window that is unreadable. it apparently started downloading stuff I picked last night, but it won't display to tell me what really happened, it's doing the same thing that up2date gui used to do to me, just not finish rendering it's window. So, back to cli for me with yum.
I more think of fedora as a distro more for advanced or intermediate hobbyists than for newbies. It's close to being ready out of the box for joe everybody, but not quite there yet, and even then, if they follow their roadmap, will always have testing/unstable aspects to it, done on purpose. It's for people who don't mind and want to be beta testers, people in the linux enthusiast community. It's supposed to be one step ahead of the official redhat "stable" version, and even the redhat stable version is just now being touted officially as suitable for a corporate desktop with professional IT admins on staff, not for the home user, not yet anyway. I use fedora, and I know I'll have to tweak some stuff when I get it and install it. It's still pretty dang good though, I haven't run into any show stoppers yet with it,any that really concern me anyway, and I'd consider myself only barely above newbie status, especially on the command line and being able to diagnose and repair/modify things. Media playback for all the formats gives me the most grief. Fixing the MP3 "problem" was easy, geting other propietary media formats to work cleanly is another issue entirely. I don't have a lot of USB or wireless, etc, so I can't comment there.
Correct. When you have the same policies being parroted by both dominant parties, you will always get the same results. there are a few minor policy differences in public speeches, but once the rubber hits the road our domestic and foreign policy is dictated to the politicians by the mostly unseen international banking/military/pharmco, etc indistrial owners and controllers. You can even trace it back to things like the UN, created by the military industrial complex guys to give an illusion of trying to sort out the worlds problems.
Heh, it would be simple enough to sort out a lot of the the worlds problems if the big bankers didn't fund (weren't allowed) all comers and to supply dictators with police state tools and weapons, etc for instance.
well, two parties that almost completely function as one party seems to be the magic number. We have many parties, just they have little support, as we have an hereditary brainwashing that goes even into the public school system that the two parties we have now are the "official" parties, even though it is no where in law. They control the public debates, the way districts are drawn, how the primary system works and ballot access, etc. We have had a couple of spoiler elections, with the american independent party and with the reform party, but both those efforts were basically one shot deals, even though remnants remain.
Part of the reason is that over the years the federal government has bvasically seized a lot of the functions that were previously state functions. Our states are supposed to act as almost completely independent countries, with the federal government having limited, but important, duties and functions. Now the states basically act as rubber stamps for all but trivial functions. That tends to reinforce the "two is but one" party system, that and having it legal to be a professional career politicians.
Incidently, a good score for the conspiracy guys like me this morning. If you watch who attends the bilderberg conferences, those important but never covered in the mainstream media much meetings of the worlds elite, you can always get a clue as to who is "in" in the next political cycle and who is "out". John Edwards attended this years held last month in italy, today he gets the VP nod. Not surprising to us.
I find it most peculiar that with all the attention events like the G8 summits and the WTO meetings, etc get with the so called "left" and demonstrations, etc, that for some magical reason bilderberg (really a lot more important meeting than the previous two) gets almost completely ignored by the protesters. Of course, I guess I know why, at top leadership levels inside those various orgs they get compromised and work for "the man". I saw it years ago when I was first entering politics and was in the "conservation movement" and found out the higher up you go, the more you can find out they get paid off by the large corporations, even though at lower and more public levels they apparently "protest" the same corporations.
That's one of many reasons why I look and think differently when it comes to politics, I KNOW it is a lot more uniform at the real international "controller" levels then they want all the various grassroots to realise. It is a controlled opposition, done on purpose, to perpetuate the illusion of choice and that the grassroots still has any practical pull to it. Keeps the serfs happy in other words.
most likely they are, but it's not secret or hidden.
And yes, I had to look it up, not a gamer so I didn't get it at first.
I agree in theory. I am of the strong opinion that at the upper levels, there is no difference in the two apparent major parties we have. We have a globalist corporate party that runs two candidates in most elections. Each of their candidates is tasked to appeal to certain identified sets of people, they read the scripts the subsets want to hear, this insures the corporate party (the public political side of the military industrial complex eisenhower warned us about) always "wins", and that's about it. The new evoting just further insures this, as the rise of the internet could only logically go to helping third parties and independents, who were stymied in the past by the corporate media controlling the "news" to such an extent that with only a few exceptions, kept independents and alternative parties out of any mainstream notice. the internet has broken that monopoly. My only regret is so many grassroots activists are still failing to notice this, and still insist their major "party" is the savior or some other illogicity.
I have a real vague recollection as a kid of seeing a DC comics bad guy called "the spider-man",with the hyphen, and he was very round and fat with extra legs. But that's all I remember, and it might not have even been DC.
...anyone trying to determine anything relating to the internet and IP addresses, would have to notice there are things called DNS and search engines activated by keyword search algorithyms. This, a clever lawyer might say, is "publication in a peer journal", if it can be proven that the search terms would lead to the prior art site readily. If it's published on the web, it's published. If it's easily found, it's easily found. The web contains your peers as a subset of everyone. You have to search in a brticks and mortar library, either by actually looking here and there, or using a card catalog, or a microfoche catalog and slides, and so forth. Searching is searching.
Need to bust these bogus patents. Need to bust up IP patents in general, take it back to tangibles only.
Interesting trivia, when was the first non tangible patent issued, and what was it, and why was it issued?
I don't know, just wondering.
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probably true, that last one
but ya, they always want it "their" way. That's pretty obvious.
it's just not needed. It's attempting to find a solution for a problem that never existed in the first place. when it was just pure paper, it was sonmewhat screrwy but tolerable and limited to a few places. then they went to mechanical systems and the fraud and tally got worse. Now they have gone to no checks and balances black box voiting, and already we have overwhelming evidence it's completely insecure, and enough evidence to at least invgestigate the hiijacking claims. I am of the opinion it was hijacked on the last vote, as we had several candidates who failed to get elected despite pre and post vote polls showing them the most probable winners.
Moot point for me. As long as the single corporate party keeps succerssfully faking people out that there's any significant difference,like they are right now with the ridiculous so called differences between globalist niminee A or B, we will still have a screwed up crooked government. I still vote, but outside of the local races, I think the vote is mostly irrelevant now. State level and higher,maybe even county level or higher in the larger counties, the politicians who "win" get selected in back room deals and with big money at stake, they don't get elected by the people, nor do they ever represent the people. It's a charade basically. Just now with computerised voting they can "prove" the corporate party wins all over, whomever that might be that day.
al queda? I don't think it's a good analogy. Don Coreleone and his business partners is more like it. Any crime is OK to make money. anyone not in the family is a legiot target for a crime. any underling in the family must submiot to orders to stay in the family. Co opt and coerce governmental employees. Make sure your business rivals fail, and fail hard, no matter if your business is a worse deal for the neighborhood. Be ruthless. Lie to get ahead. Cheat and steal to get ahead. Don't do any legit busines if there's more profit in illegitimate or unethical business.
They seem to fit bettee there than with an al queda description. al queda has a political agenda, not a money agenda.
Frankly, all I see when I look there at redmond is a huge monopoly that has never cared very much at all about it's products, compared to how it's products got marketed and what the markup was and the black over the red. They never had any interest in conducting business fairly, just to do whatever it took to dominate. Whenever caught up in a falsehood or a discrepency, they change the subject and blame the consumer for it, or anyone else but admit they screwed up on anything. Quality and functionality have always been way down the list of priorities, especially if it would cost them any profits. It is the clearest example of criminal corporate greed ever, dwarfs even haliburton or enron.
I feel sorry for the folks stuck working there. I doubt there's that many people who really enjoy it or who are mising the realities of it. I think at the top levels they are crooks, down lower, they just have workers with not many options for employment in their chocen fields, so they stick with it, because they are stuck. there are probably a few who enjoy it immensely, but I doubt they are in any sort of majority there, hence, i feel just as sorry for them as joe consumer users with the bug of the day on his machine.
... when I filed my protest at my precinct the first time we used the diebold machines. The elderly lady poll offocial had zero clue what I was talking about. Her response was "we can run it twice, then it's checked and verified" paraphrasing. She didn't get it. Next they made me talk to some diebold doofus on the phone, he KNEW what I was talking about but insisted it was an accurate count. I said "prove it, let's see the code, on every machine". Of course he refused, he said "sonmeone might tamper with it" I said, "who, you guys?". They wouldn't even admit it was accessible remotely via modem during the election itself, that has come out later.
You can't verify jack squat, you are forced to take their word for it, and so far what has leaked out shows they are liars with a serious political agenda to hijack the vote and to profit from that and the artificial creation of busywork jobs.