Are you one of those bipolars he was talkin' about..? You saying you don't find any value in Arlen's votes over the years, or were you just goin' for the cheap Karma?
Is this only effective against idiots who can't keep their OS / browser patched up, then commit crimes online? Will antivirus / spyware stop them? If you need a warrant (let's pretend law enforcement obeys the law), is it any different than a house search, or physically tailing a suspect to the proverbial dead drop?
If it's so, is it legal to bar entry to your house if police have a warrant? Is a locked door legal defense against a search warrant when you're not home and don't know? Therefore, is antivirus illegal if you're a suspect..? It's already illegal to wear body armor in most places. What happens if your system detects and kills this thing..?
Have to agree. "We opened the name of the node up to the general public and pop culture, and are shocked and astonished that a proper, dignified, scientific name wasn't chosen."
Your description of religious morality is laughable but... I guess you can continue your ad hominem argument
riiiight.
How is it laughable? Without you backing that up, ad hominem attack is ad hominem.
In all fairness, tho, i would apply the same skepticism to any system of "past precedent morality." You cite Kant and Rawl - why should they decide how we run our lives any more than whomever penned the Bible, or Koran, or the Sutras, or ever carved the Words Of The Gods into a stone tablet?
Interesting that you mention the Constitution. If we leave out the Bill of Rights, is it a moral document? Is it possible to have a document or rule structure that -isn't- attuned to a morality? I guess until we decide on these and a shared definition of terms, we won't get far - even less so than if we just continue to poke at each other. 'Cause that, at least, displays our preconceptions for others to notice:)
Neither term really fits. "Desperate, pissed off people who don't care about anyone's lives as long as they can cover up their mass suicides by deluding themselves into thinking it wins them an eternity of approval from the Invisible Man" doesn't fit on a headline, though.
Hmmm, interesting. Since we don't like religion any more I'm not sure what moral authority we use
Stop there. Anything based on this premise is going to have issues right off. And the examples you cite afterwards? They all come from your "religious moral authority," remember? You've actually READ your "moral authority manual," right? Therefore you don't have premarital sex, and if your fiancee dissed you in public you'd kill her and take her sister, yah?
The fact that you can't understand a context or framework of "ethics" or "morals" beyond "the invisible hand of smackdown will smite thee unless you follow these rules and no other rules," kind of blocks any further discussion of morals.
Military people use sports analogies. Sports people use military analogies. Business people use both, depending on current audience. Can we ever just talk about whatever the fuck we're actually talking about? Once? Please??
kotor mmo has a fair to good chance of being Win, i think. Hopefully they'll get to do it kotor style, and learned how NOT to release a game a la kotor 2:P
I have a hard time with eve missions only cause i feel like i'm skipping profits by not going back and salvage-shlorping every single wreck, but that's just mining again and takes too damn long. So my target is called "wreck" not "rock," BFD.
I'm still trying to figure out my own strat for a casual income in eve. My economic situation is not toally dire yet, so i can afford to keep it active (and my skills training:D) while i screw around and figure it out.
I know this is shallow, but Eve turned me off the minute i found out that my "person" was permanently sealed inside the ship in a matrix-like goo capsule.
Don't think you're being shallow at all. The appeal of MMOs to a lot of people is avatar-centric, whether customization, identification, immerision, or pure endless gratifying wankery like the CoX char creator.
However.. you may want to start here and check out the various Ambulation trailers and info. It might draw you back for another try. (Eventually.)
realized I was playing a fundamentally wrong game for me.
Hey! Aren't you supposed to conclude "realized i was playing a game that sucks"?,-)
I hate mining. Tho travelling can be nerve-wracking depending on where you do it:D. In corp ops the only thing that kept me sane was all of us being goofballs on Teamspeak (this being before ingame voice client). Even then, it was just... boring. A chatroom where you have to drag and drop resources every minute or you lose some. Bleah.
However, i would consider mining for you if you convince your hubby to zap me a Naglfar model:D
There is no way for anyone starting EVE today to ever catch up to those who started a year ago, and those that started a year ago will never catch up to those who started two years ago
Um, how is this different than any other MMO? With the exception of, there's no way to "powerlevel" in Eve? Which i view as a fantastically good thing?
So a toon who's been a pilot 2 years longer than you will always have more training. Um. Yes?
Now, this only works with *active* pilots. Accounts that go inactive no longer continue to train SPs. I was away for a while, and everyone who started after me caught up... and everyone ahead of me got further ahead. This is also how it should be; my toon was sitting on his butt in a station all that time.
It seems like your post is colored by "new stuff wants it NAO!" which i can understand - i would love to fly a dred one day - but i don't think my wanting New Shinies == bad system.
My first thought was "crap a GM... in before the lock!"
right off the bat, I'm fraking awesome
That doesn't bore you? I tried Fable and really came to hate it quickly. The vaunted alignment system thing maxed out in about 30 seconds, and as for combat, your spec seemed to make the only difference there... and even then, you quickly became a wtfpwner. Uninstalled and forgtten.
(i was going to just say "that's no fantasy, that IS my real life!" but i'd rather know more about the serious question.)
Yar, i hear you. Early on, pre-beta, it was explained that this was definitely not going to be a "twitch" game; this was for a different audience. Hopefully someone will fill the twitch niche for y'all:).
As for the casual aspect of eve, that may have gotten a little easier with Faction Warfare. It seems like there are a lot of newer folks able to jump into combat and enjoying it. The push to maintain tech2 ships, capitals, etc., can take up a lot of time; but with even a casual income, you can infinitely support a frigate/cruiser stock.
Why are you bothering with expensive implants if you're a casual player, tho...? I've been in from the start and don't even bother with 'em tbh. If i run across one, i usually sell it.
None of this will matter if you hate the combat system, of course. I like the "you've won or lost when you close the fitting screen" aspect. Flying against other new players in FW will mitigate your need to perfect that and enable you to experiment more, and it's not really meant for soloing unless you are a high-SP master of something... but i like the tactical combat style.
But you just reinforced what i said (we seem to have our very own subthread here:D ). Who put the judiciary there? How can they be replaced? What influences appointments? Who elects a DA?
And i *know* you aren't saying private interests don't defend their actions with bullshit...,-)
Yes, women and kids who have the poor judgement to be born in a country we invade should be obliterated. After all, if we stop the enemy from breeding, they won't grow up to become more enemy.
Fuck, why bother with the guns and soldiers thing at all? Just spray-bomb-sterilize rogue states from the air and let the problem solve itself.
I was worried for a sec, but it's some Marines who were there behind this, and placing themselves *in the sim.* It's clearly presented as "their story," IMHO, not "objective historic doctrine," so that's fine. Everyone has the right to tell their story, and everyone else has the right to react to it as they believe.
If it addresses the issue of "def Civilians == Insurgents, problem solved, open fire" i will be very impressed. Even if doesn't, this is a telling of events being honest about its subjectivity. To me, that's a major improvement above - hell, most reporting, really.
You are also thinking of FDR's warning, i expect, and i agree. But remember, it's a military-industrial complex.
This is the point i meant about gaming the system:
An ideology that seeks to limit government is inherently anti-corruption.
That may be the intent, but not the effect. Current events strongly indicate that powerful entities with no oversight will be corrupt - call them Government or Corporation, makes no difference.
The goal of the powerful usually becomes to perpetuate and expand that power for its own sake, whereas those seeking it usually have other goals in mind to which power itself seems like the means. Then it becomes the ends.
Moreover, you can't blame the Gummint for widespread corruption - we have to blame ourselves. We have perfectly good mechanisms for Government oversight that we do not use, and mindlessly trade away for slogans and short-term feelgood boosts. There are no such mechanisms for Corporate oversight that give power to the public in the same way.
Our failure to take advantage of existing controls is our failure, and nothing inherent in either Corporate or Governmental structures. We have the means to limit Governmental corruption. Slashdot readers will happily talk about the "training" of computer users to expect bugs, crashes, instability and flaws. I respectfully submit that such training merely uses well-established techniques for enhancing public political apathy.
{ideologyX} is a flawed idea, because President {former_candidate} was corrupted by power!
{ideologyY} is the answer! We've never had major political power, but when {current_candidate} gets some, he will be magically immune to corruption of any kind, and usher in a golden age of an ideal form of {ideolofyY} where everyone suddenly wants to play it straight, and no one tries to game the system for personal profit, or lolz, or just to be a jerk!
I understand your frustration, and there are several libertarian ideas we need to stick to. But you're falling into the same trap you are scolding us for tripping over:)
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Are you one of those bipolars he was talkin' about..? You saying you don't find any value in Arlen's votes over the years, or were you just goin' for the cheap Karma?
3 parent There are some good concepts in there - like can be found in any philosophy. But as for the book itself, that should be the Cliff's Notes.
Teh recursive sarcasm... it burns... I'm not sure if your post is a whoosh, or if me posting a whoosh would require a self-whoosing. Help!
Head hurts...
Is this only effective against idiots who can't keep their OS / browser patched up, then commit crimes online? Will antivirus / spyware stop them? If you need a warrant (let's pretend law enforcement obeys the law), is it any different than a house search, or physically tailing a suspect to the proverbial dead drop?
If it's so, is it legal to bar entry to your house if police have a warrant? Is a locked door legal defense against a search warrant when you're not home and don't know? Therefore, is antivirus illegal if you're a suspect..? It's already illegal to wear body armor in most places. What happens if your system detects and kills this thing..?
Aaargh.
Have to agree. "We opened the name of the node up to the general public and pop culture, and are shocked and astonished that a proper, dignified, scientific name wasn't chosen."
Your description of religious morality is laughable but ... I guess you can continue your ad hominem argument
riiiight.
How is it laughable? Without you backing that up, ad hominem attack is ad hominem.
In all fairness, tho, i would apply the same skepticism to any system of "past precedent morality." You cite Kant and Rawl - why should they decide how we run our lives any more than whomever penned the Bible, or Koran, or the Sutras, or ever carved the Words Of The Gods into a stone tablet?
Interesting that you mention the Constitution. If we leave out the Bill of Rights, is it a moral document? Is it possible to have a document or rule structure that -isn't- attuned to a morality? I guess until we decide on these and a shared definition of terms, we won't get far - even less so than if we just continue to poke at each other. 'Cause that, at least, displays our preconceptions for others to notice :)
Neither term really fits. "Desperate, pissed off people who don't care about anyone's lives as long as they can cover up their mass suicides by deluding themselves into thinking it wins them an eternity of approval from the Invisible Man" doesn't fit on a headline, though.
Hmmm, interesting. Since we don't like religion any more I'm not sure what moral authority we use
Stop there. Anything based on this premise is going to have issues right off. And the examples you cite afterwards? They all come from your "religious moral authority," remember? You've actually READ your "moral authority manual," right? Therefore you don't have premarital sex, and if your fiancee dissed you in public you'd kill her and take her sister, yah?
The fact that you can't understand a context or framework of "ethics" or "morals" beyond "the invisible hand of smackdown will smite thee unless you follow these rules and no other rules," kind of blocks any further discussion of morals.
Military people use sports analogies. Sports people use military analogies. Business people use both, depending on current audience. Can we ever just talk about whatever the fuck we're actually talking about? Once? Please??
fuck, you're right. we'd better just draft the nation and round the rest of the world up. THEN we'll feel safe, and trains will run on time!
EFF lawyer and Peolsi were on Wed night with Olberman. Embedded vid on the EFF site here.
kotor mmo has a fair to good chance of being Win, i think. Hopefully they'll get to do it kotor style, and learned how NOT to release a game a la kotor 2 :P
I have a hard time with eve missions only cause i feel like i'm skipping profits by not going back and salvage-shlorping every single wreck, but that's just mining again and takes too damn long. So my target is called "wreck" not "rock," BFD.
I'm still trying to figure out my own strat for a casual income in eve. My economic situation is not toally dire yet, so i can afford to keep it active (and my skills training :D) while i screw around and figure it out.
I know this is shallow, but Eve turned me off the minute i found out that my "person" was permanently sealed inside the ship in a matrix-like goo capsule.
Don't think you're being shallow at all. The appeal of MMOs to a lot of people is avatar-centric, whether customization, identification, immerision, or pure endless gratifying wankery like the CoX char creator.
However.. you may want to start here and check out the various Ambulation trailers and info. It might draw you back for another try. (Eventually.)
realized I was playing a fundamentally wrong game for me.
Hey! Aren't you supposed to conclude "realized i was playing a game that sucks"? ,-)
I hate mining. Tho travelling can be nerve-wracking depending on where you do it :D. In corp ops the only thing that kept me sane was all of us being goofballs on Teamspeak (this being before ingame voice client). Even then, it was just... boring. A chatroom where you have to drag and drop resources every minute or you lose some. Bleah.
However, i would consider mining for you if you convince your hubby to zap me a Naglfar model :D
There is no way for anyone starting EVE today to ever catch up to those who started a year ago, and those that started a year ago will never catch up to those who started two years ago
Um, how is this different than any other MMO? With the exception of, there's no way to "powerlevel" in Eve? Which i view as a fantastically good thing?
So a toon who's been a pilot 2 years longer than you will always have more training. Um. Yes?
Now, this only works with *active* pilots. Accounts that go inactive no longer continue to train SPs. I was away for a while, and everyone who started after me caught up... and everyone ahead of me got further ahead. This is also how it should be; my toon was sitting on his butt in a station all that time.
It seems like your post is colored by "new stuff wants it NAO!" which i can understand - i would love to fly a dred one day - but i don't think my wanting New Shinies == bad system.
My first thought was "crap a GM... in before the lock!"
right off the bat, I'm fraking awesome
That doesn't bore you? I tried Fable and really came to hate it quickly. The vaunted alignment system thing maxed out in about 30 seconds, and as for combat, your spec seemed to make the only difference there... and even then, you quickly became a wtfpwner. Uninstalled and forgtten.
(i was going to just say "that's no fantasy, that IS my real life!" but i'd rather know more about the serious question.)
Yar, i hear you. Early on, pre-beta, it was explained that this was definitely not going to be a "twitch" game; this was for a different audience. Hopefully someone will fill the twitch niche for y'all :).
Er, hang on, maybe someone has.
As for the casual aspect of eve, that may have gotten a little easier with Faction Warfare. It seems like there are a lot of newer folks able to jump into combat and enjoying it. The push to maintain tech2 ships, capitals, etc., can take up a lot of time; but with even a casual income, you can infinitely support a frigate/cruiser stock.
Why are you bothering with expensive implants if you're a casual player, tho...? I've been in from the start and don't even bother with 'em tbh. If i run across one, i usually sell it.
None of this will matter if you hate the combat system, of course. I like the "you've won or lost when you close the fitting screen" aspect. Flying against other new players in FW will mitigate your need to perfect that and enable you to experiment more, and it's not really meant for soloing unless you are a high-SP master of something... but i like the tactical combat style.
The fair use doctrine protects transformative uses of content
So sampling, remixing and mashups are protected? "Enshrined," even, in the US Copyright Act...?
an int of lower than 3 or corporations.
-1 Redundant
Dammit! Now my conductive tinfoil hat will backfire!
But you just reinforced what i said (we seem to have our very own subthread here :D ). Who put the judiciary there? How can they be replaced? What influences appointments? Who elects a DA?
And i *know* you aren't saying private interests don't defend their actions with bullshit... ,-)
massacre its opponents
Yes, women and kids who have the poor judgement to be born in a country we invade should be obliterated. After all, if we stop the enemy from breeding, they won't grow up to become more enemy.
Fuck, why bother with the guns and soldiers thing at all? Just spray-bomb-sterilize rogue states from the air and let the problem solve itself.
I was worried for a sec, but it's some Marines who were there behind this, and placing themselves *in the sim.* It's clearly presented as "their story," IMHO, not "objective historic doctrine," so that's fine. Everyone has the right to tell their story, and everyone else has the right to react to it as they believe.
If it addresses the issue of "def Civilians == Insurgents, problem solved, open fire" i will be very impressed. Even if doesn't, this is a telling of events being honest about its subjectivity. To me, that's a major improvement above - hell, most reporting, really.
You are also thinking of FDR's warning, i expect, and i agree. But remember, it's a military-industrial complex.
This is the point i meant about gaming the system:
An ideology that seeks to limit government is inherently anti-corruption.
That may be the intent, but not the effect. Current events strongly indicate that powerful entities with no oversight will be corrupt - call them Government or Corporation, makes no difference.
The goal of the powerful usually becomes to perpetuate and expand that power for its own sake, whereas those seeking it usually have other goals in mind to which power itself seems like the means. Then it becomes the ends.
Moreover, you can't blame the Gummint for widespread corruption - we have to blame ourselves. We have perfectly good mechanisms for Government oversight that we do not use, and mindlessly trade away for slogans and short-term feelgood boosts. There are no such mechanisms for Corporate oversight that give power to the public in the same way.
Our failure to take advantage of existing controls is our failure, and nothing inherent in either Corporate or Governmental structures. We have the means to limit Governmental corruption. Slashdot readers will happily talk about the "training" of computer users to expect bugs, crashes, instability and flaws. I respectfully submit that such training merely uses well-established techniques for enhancing public political apathy.
{ideologyX} is a flawed idea, because President {former_candidate} was corrupted by power!
{ideologyY} is the answer! We've never had major political power, but when {current_candidate} gets some, he will be magically immune to corruption of any kind, and usher in a golden age of an ideal form of {ideolofyY} where everyone suddenly wants to play it straight, and no one tries to game the system for personal profit, or lolz, or just to be a jerk!
I understand your frustration, and there are several libertarian ideas we need to stick to. But you're falling into the same trap you are scolding us for tripping over :)