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NASA Names Space Station Treadmill After Colbert

willith writes "The SF Chronicle reports on the results of the International Space Station Node 3 naming contest (which we previously discussed). Comedian and fake-pundit Stephen Colbert conducted a bombastic write-in campaign and repeatedly urged his show's fan base (the 'Colbert Nation') to stuff the ballot box with his name, which resulted in 'Colbert' coming in first in the write-in contest with almost a quarter-million votes. Although the Node 3 component will not be named 'Colbert' — NASA has instead chosen to call it 'Tranquility' — one of the Node 3 components will bear the honor: the second ISS treadmill, which will be installed in Node 3, will be named the Combined Operational Load Bearing External Resistance Treadmill. The formal announcement was made on the air yesterday at 22:30 EDT on the Colbert Report by astronaut Sunita Williams."

383 comments

  1. Well, hm... by prlucas · · Score: 1

    I truly do not know what to think about this.

    1. Re:Well, hm... by RemoWilliams84 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is probably the best thing they could have done. By naming the treadmill after him, they didn't have to name the whole module after him and they still get good publicity from Colbert's show.

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    2. Re:Well, hm... by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it's great. It shows that NASA can take a joke, even a rigged election, and give it a nod. Which is what they have done. Other than naming the module after him, which would have been great too, they acknowledged Colbert with out making a big deal out of it.

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    3. Re:Well, hm... by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well for one, I was a bit disappointed, but now that I have had some time to consider it, the practice of ballot stuffing is very uncool. Colbert, through his exaggerated behavior, attempts to show the common stupidity of thought and practice we witness every day. This isn't the first time he sought to illustrate this. The most significant that comes to mind is the way he saved the elephants from extinction by having viewers stuff wikipedia. This is just more of the same.

      And if you think that is merely "funny behavior" then look again at the way OOXML was passed as an ISO standard. Look again at the way many unpopular laws are passed as well (though usually, that is through other manipulative and underhanded methods). The point is that it is always bad to subvert or exploit the voting process when it is made available. And such actions should ALWAYS be protested.

    4. Re:Well, hm... by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Worlds greatest backronym. The Combined Operational Load Bearing External Resistance Treadmill. Much better than the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001.

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    5. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      cool fact about democracy: If you don't agree with something, vote against it.

      What you are suggesting is throwing away legitimate votes - cast by real people and not bots - because *you* have some arbitrary rules about which votes should count and which should not. And that is not democratic.

    6. Re:Well, hm... by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1

      I dunno about Sumita, but I'd really like to bang a a gong with Higginbotham.

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    7. Re:Well, hm... by Rary · · Score: 1

      The point is that it is always bad to subvert or exploit the voting process when it is made available.

      When voting on something that actually matters, I agree. This is not something that actually matters.

      I have no problem with demonstrating fundamental flaws in the democratic process by making a joke about a vote on something trivial.

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    8. Re:Well, hm... by robably · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Cool fact about democracy: if you're in the minority your vote doesn't count.

      Oh it counts in some wishy-washy you've-made-your-voice-heard kind of way, but as for actually counting, no. Winner takes all.

    9. Re:Well, hm... by kaizendojo · · Score: 1

      Comments like yours are the reason I come to /. in the first place. (That and the funny shit, of course.) Well thought and gave me reason to pause and consider.

    10. Re:Well, hm... by Stargoat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cool thing about a Constitutional Republic: if you're in the minority your vote does count.

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    11. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This isn't ballot stuffing. It's more like targetted voter registration.

    12. Re:Well, hm... by vux984 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cool thing about a Constitutional Republic: if you're in the minority your vote does count.

      Tell that to a republican in washinton or a democrat in texas. If your in a Constitutional Republic, your vote only counts in a swing state.

    13. Re:Well, hm... by interval1066 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Now we should start a write-in campaign to name a space station toilet after Bill Marr.

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    14. Re:Well, hm... by Cheapy · · Score: 1

      Except when it's something you agree with, and in that case ballot stuffing is great! Or so I'm told whenever I bring up ballot stuffing.

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    15. Re:Well, hm... by kwerle · · Score: 1

      If by "rigged" you mean that they are the ones who picked the original names and controlled the counting mechanism (didn't they?), then I guess you're right on target.

      I'm not saying they did the wrong thing - I'm just saying that Colbert didn't rig it.

    16. Re:Well, hm... by Monkeyman334 · · Score: 1

      He didn't stuff the ballot. He got his viewers to vote for their favorite name, Colbert. Colbert won fair and square. How is that not democratic?

    17. Re:Well, hm... by andymadigan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about a republic with a proportional allocation system like the rest of the civilized world, rather than the insanity we have here in the U.S.? If you're in the minority vote you still get a minority of parliament, and if you have enough minorities they start to outnumber the "majority".

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    18. Re:Well, hm... by moderatorrater · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I disagree. Colbert's a bombastic idiot (or at least he plays one on TV), but he's funny and he entertains a lot of people, usually including the targets of his behavior. Have you ever seen so many people interested in a node on the ISS? When was the last time a popular show's had one a couple of astronauts in the timespan Colbert has?

      With me, Colbert's personality and manner is fun to watch, fun to maybe participate in if it's not malicious (as with this vote), and definitely not something to emulate. However, now we have a large portion of the nation who's interested in what's happening on the ISS and knows how to edit wikipedia. If they went to the site after his show, they even got to see a locked down article in place!

      In short, I don't see Colbert's show as promoting this behavior, I see him as exploiting the fact that this is the way our society's willing to act right now. You're just killing the flamboyant messenger.

    19. Re:Well, hm... by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, I'm going to say that Colbert tried to rig the election by using his show as a platform. NASA did exactly the right thing. They acknowledged the attempt with a laugh and a nod. I can't think of any other Gobernment agency that wouldn't have bitched and made a big deal out of it. NASA scores some serous points in my book for still having a sense of humor.

      But one poster said they should have named the toilet module after him. That would have been a great backlob for NASA.

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    20. Re:Well, hm... by rezalas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He didn't rig the vote, he campaigned in a single episode. He basically said "I want my name on that station, vote for me." This is no different than any political vote or any other vote of any kind really. He won fair and square, and people are bitching about it because he isn't a serious guy? that is stupid.

      It is simple: Colbert won doing what people do in every voting situation and won. If NASA wants to use their loophole and do whatever they want then that is well within their rights, but people need to stop bitching about how he did something wrong and realize this is how voting functions.

    21. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wouldn't have to clench your ass so hard if you pulled the stick out of it.

    22. Re:Well, hm... by pleappleappleap · · Score: 1

      We all know that's the way Goberments act.

    23. Re:Well, hm... by EricTheMad · · Score: 3, Informative

      This wasn't an election, it was a poll. Even removing Colbert from the equation they didn't go with the next popular choice, which would have been Serenity. They went with the eighth most popular choice. So in the end they just ignored the results of the poll and picked the one they liked the best, which they had the right to do. So yes, Colbert didn't rig it, but it was most definitely rigged.

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    24. Re:Well, hm... by Rary · · Score: 1

      First off, I didn't say he rigged it, or even that he didn't win fair and square. What he did was demonstrate a fundamental flaw in the democratic process — that it's more of a popularity contest than anything else.

      He didn't win because a plurality genuinely thought that "Colbert" was a better name for the module than the other choices. He won because a plurality thought it would be funny to have a write-in vote driven by a comedy show win.

      Colbert won doing what people do in every voting situation and won.

      Exactly. That's the fundamental flaw he was exposing through comedy.

      ...people need to stop bitching about how he did something wrong and realize this is how voting functions.

      Not many people are actually bitching about what Colbert did. Most are bitching about NASA not respecting the vote. I personally didn't expect NASA to respect the vote simply because I can't imagine they would ever name a module after a living person. Everyone needs to stop bitching and get on with life.

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    25. Re:Well, hm... by somersault · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm not sure if it's on a par with the Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society, though admittedly in the universe in which is exists it is not really a backronym.

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    26. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The enemy of the voting process is not "people of only one side showing up to vote" but "people not showing up to vote".

      It's retarded for the losing side to claim subversion, just because the winning side got organized and showed up to vote.

    27. Re:Well, hm... by pleappleappleap · · Score: 1

      I know some people who work at NASA. This kind of geekiness doesn't surprise me, coming from that organization. Kudos!

    28. Re:Well, hm... by Trent+Hawkins · · Score: 1, Funny

      the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001.

      Or NAMBLA

    29. Re:Well, hm... by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because we like to maintain our illusion that we vote for the person, not for the party.

      Americans believe that the parties are corrupt, but individuals might not be, so we delude ourselves into thinking we're "voting for the [wo/]man not the party." Proportional vote wrecks this because either the party or some other entity gets to choose how to allocate the seats it gets, so it won't get much support for the time being.

      The problem is that we also believe that although both parties are pretty evil the other party is a lot more evil and also eats puppies! So "sometimes" it's necessary to "vote against" them by voting for "our" party that's slightly less evil (they only eat kittens, after all).

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    30. Re:Well, hm... by JWSmythe · · Score: 4, Insightful

          Democracy is mob rule. The group gets to make the decision based on whatever information they get, regardless of the facts.

          So 1/4 million folks voted for Colbert. It wasn't consistent with the theme, but they shouldn't have asked for a vote if they weren't going to accept the answer.

          Democracy says, when the people vote, that's the way it works. So you're in a country of with 307 million people and an average IQ of 98. Just because it's what the people want doesn't mean it's the right thing. I think we've already proven that, unless the masses that have chosen to drive SUV's and eat fast food religiously are proof that it's what we should be doing.

          The movie Idiocracy had a point. Well, several rather sad points. The Brawndo references were sad in that they were not only similar to current marketing, but working on current marketing concepts, and people honestly fall for it.

          I'd prefer for people smarter than me to be running things. Unfortunately, that's rarely if ever the case. I would accept their answers more openly, knowing that they are based on educated opinions, rather than just whims.

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    31. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool thing about this thread of posts starting with "cool thing": NOTHING.

    32. Re:Well, hm... by Metasquares · · Score: 2

      Yes, but it's a minority of 535 people in a country with 300 million and we call it "Congress".

    33. Re:Well, hm... by rezalas · · Score: 1

      If you read my post again, you'll notice it agrees with you and disagrees with the source posts earlier on. I tagged onto your post because it was the best one in the thread group to do so with. Relax, we didn't disagree at all...

    34. Re:Well, hm... by Loadmaster · · Score: 1

      One of the influences for Brawndo was an old soft drink called Rondo "The Thirst Crusher."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rondo_(soft_drink)

    35. Re:Well, hm... by Littleman_TAMU · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was disappointed to learn the module wasn't named Serenity. That was one of NASA's own poll options. It was the clear winner (of the non-write ins), and it still wasn't picked. What's the point of asking if you're going to pick what you want anyways? Maybe it was all a PR stunt.

    36. Re:Well, hm... by wjousts · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe it was all a PR stunt.

      Ding, ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

    37. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, you mean like proportional as in parties almost always have to form governing coalitions, therefore undermining any majority mandate they may have through sensitivity to their coalition partners? And also proportional as in having a bunch of minority parties covering a wide variety of issues, such that the opposition is not particularly unified, either?

    38. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make it Bill Nye and I'm on side.

    39. Re:Well, hm... by ChefInnocent · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't know. Maybe NASA could have named the whole module: Cosmic Operating Living Bubble for Environment, Refridgeration, and Treadmill. But now, Colbert will have to create his own module and send it up there: Comedian Over-Lord Base for the Earthly Reign of Terror.

    40. Re:Well, hm... by ChefInnocent · · Score: 1, Troll

      I'd prefer to name it after Limbaugh.

    41. Re:Well, hm... by Quantos · · Score: 1

      I think it's really fitting.

      Because just like Colbert the treadmill goes on and on and on and on and on and on......

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    42. Re:Well, hm... by Spaceman40 · · Score: 1

      ..., and if you have enough minorities they start to outnumber the "majority".

      By "majority" in that last sense, you mean plurality. Either way, though, I'm much more a fan of that system.

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    43. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't think of any other Gobernment agency that wouldn't have bitched and made a big deal out of it.

      Yeah, right, like the government would let us vote on anything.

    44. Re:Well, hm... by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      The problem is not that smart people aren't in charge. Most people who get to the apex of power are very, very smart to have been able to outlast their competition. The problem is that these people, by definition, are self-selected as the ones who have the greatest will to rule over others. In other words, it's not that the wrong people wield political power, it's that that power exists at all.

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    45. Re:Well, hm... by jae471 · · Score: 1

      The National Association of Marlon Brando Look-Alikes?

    46. Re:Well, hm... by Boronx · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If the US switched to a proportional system, the odds of a minority government headed by Rush Limbaugh would become greater than zero, and that's a risk I'm happy that the founders avoided.

      Hitler was elected as head of a minority government.

    47. Re:Well, hm... by Quothz · · Score: 1

      Colbert's a bombastic idiot and he's not funny.

      I don't find him funny; the persona he uses was worth a few laughs as a Daily Show occasional, but it got old fast. I find him unsubtle, too self-referential, and often purely tasteless.

      But I think he's very sharp. Seeing him handle interviews, he uses his character to manage subjects very skillfully, does his homework scrupulously, and usually drives straight to the heart of an issue. An idiot he ain't.

    48. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Concentrated unOstructive Levitation Bowel and Excrement Removal Toilet

    49. Re:Well, hm... by pjt48108 · · Score: 1

      What, the "Flaming Gas-Bag" module?

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    50. Re:Well, hm... by Chabo · · Score: 1

      So what about local government?

      I think that a democrat in Austin (I don't know Washington well, so I don't know any right-leaning Washington towns) does have their vote count.

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    51. Re:Well, hm... by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 1

      Whether or not he is a reasonable person in his true heart of hearts, the only face he ever shows in public is that of the bombastic, self-aggrandizing jerk. That's what he needs to be judged by.

      I'll grant that he's not remotely as stupid as the character he lives in. So, he's not an idiot... he just acts like one.

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    52. Re:Well, hm... by andymadigan · · Score: 1

      If there is a true majority party, then there is no need for a coalition. A coalition is only needed if no party gains a majority. The advantage to proportional systems is that voting for a third party isn't "throwing your vote away" and therefore the diversity of opinions are more accurately represented.

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    53. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the only face he ever shows in public is that of the bombastic, self-aggrandizing jerk.

      Uhhh... Seriously, I thought everyone got Colbert by now. Clearly, however, you don't, and that is simply hilarious.

    54. Re:Well, hm... by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 1

      Colbert's success is due to the overabundance of people who are easily amused.

      and that is simply hilarious

      Exhibit A.

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    55. Re:Well, hm... by Glothar · · Score: 1

      Whether or not he is a reasonable person in his true heart of hearts, the only face he ever shows in public is that of the bombastic, self-aggrandizing jerk. That's what he needs to be judged by.

      Hold on.

      The only face Anthony Daniels has ever shown in public is that of a naive, ignorant, and cowardly simpleton who simultaneously fails at being both competent and humorous.

      So, that's how I should judge him, right? Oh? He was playing a character in a movie? Well, he's never shown me any other side of himself, so I should feel free to blast him personally for his behavior and hold him up as a pinata for others to beat on?

      Just because you have only seen Colbert in character doesn't mean that his in-character persona must be close to his real one.

      Go to a taping of one of his shows. Before the show he comes out to talk to the audience. Not being a judgmental ass (or an idiot who doesn't understand satire), I figured that he wasn't really like the character he plays. However, I was surprised at just how down-to-earth and friendly he is. He truly is humbled by the gifts and honors (however tongue-in-cheek) that he gets.

    56. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although judging by other moderation in this thread you would not have gotten modded up for this remark by others, I would have given you a point - if only you hadn't resorted to anonymous cowardice!

      Just to stay on-topic, I'm very disappointed by NASA's failure to name the module for Colbert. They could have named it for Jean-Baptiste Colbert to keep from naming it after a living person.

      People here seem to largely believe they demonstrated a sense of humor for the way they handled it, but I think they demonstrated exactly the opposite. They blew an obvious opportunity to generate some good will among a pool of people that have demonstrated a willingness to take action on behalf of things they deem worthwhile. No one I know gives a shit about NASA.

      I'm not angry, NASA - just disappointed.

    57. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess all those Obama ad's on TV was Obama rigging the election too... and those damn show's he kept appearing on! RIGGED!

    58. Re:Well, hm... by FrameRotBlues · · Score: 1
      I think the fact that they are required to make decisions and pass laws on the behalf of millions of people gives them inherent power. It just comes with being part of a representative system. Or, we could have 307 million people in the same room, all trying to be heard about their own ideas and misinformed concepts of how things should work... yeah, maybe not.

      Most people who get to the apex of power are very, very smart to have been able to outlast their competition.

      That doesn't necessarily say they're smart, just that they're smarter than their competition. If the competition is stupid or nonexistant, or smart enough to know that being a representative of the people sucks, the actual results will be skewed.

    59. Re:Well, hm... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      NIce ego you got there.

      I would wager pretty much everybody in congress is smarter then you at what they do, and that's what's important. Raw IQ is meaningless.

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    60. Re:Well, hm... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Or to quote Lord Acton, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

          I don't believe being in a position of power is necessarily corrupting. I believe as humans, most will find that being able to take advantage of the power is intoxicating. Now, how they decide to handle it is something else. As president, sure I'd ride in Air Force One rather than coach on a commercial plane. Sure I'd ride in a fully equipped limo. When you have the new perspective, unpopular decisions may seem to be the prudent ones.

          They played it out well on Stargate SG1. Daniel gained the knowledge of the universe (more or less). He built a system to protect the earth from enemies. The leaders couldn't understand his grand plan. When other leaders turned on him, he saw the obvious threat that would be coming, and eliminated them before it happened. A prudent choice in his position, but not a prudent choice as a human.

          We are well beyond that point now. All it takes is one mistake or misunderstanding at a high enough level, and entire countries could be wiped off the map in seconds. (Seconds to push the button. Minutes of travel for the ICBM. Seconds for it to do it's damage). The only thing really holding that back for any nuclear power is the knowledge that they can't win immediately. Some can lose without a chance, but no side can win. It's not intelligence that assures this, it's fear.

          Those in power aren't necessarily intelligent. They get lucky. Very lucky. They make the right connections, get with the right people who can control them, and they are guided up through the ranks until the are on top.

          There is no way to eliminate the power. We have all been trained for so long that we are followers of some sort. I'm not a very good follower, but I am a good leader. Consider a fire in an office building. Some people stand around wondering what to do. Some people run for the door, regardless if it's the right one or not. Some start telling people "You will go through that door, and exit the building." The leader has spoken, not only are you to leave the building through the safe route, but the leader will be out to make sure you did it. Been there, done that, luckily a false alarm. :)

          Someone pointed out at in some disasters, people have been clueless. There was no leader, so you have a bunch of followers standing around wondering what to do. Someone hears from someone else that they can't safely go a particular way, so they don't. Maybe some survive. Maybe some don't. Without someone in power, a leader, they're lost.

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    61. Re:Well, hm... by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 1

      And I'm sure that Rush Limbaugh is a far nicer, more compassionate, more lovable person than the character he portrays on the radio, on TV, in interviews and in every other public speaking appearance. Off-mike, Rush is probably a very down-to-earth and friendly guy, just like Colbert.

      So what?

      They both say stupid, offensive things, labeling their corrosive vitriol as satire. They and the hardest core of their fans wrap themselves in condescending self-congratulation, and twiddle their fingers at those who "don't get it".

      Rush and Colbert are not normal character actors, and they shouldn't be treated as such. These guys have chosen to inhabit their characters completely. Rush IS El-Rushbo. Colbert IS Colbert. It lends a great deal of verisimilitude to the portrayal, but the downside is that there is nothing else for them to be judged by. If either one of them suddenly decided to start portraying a different kind of character, then it would be possible to separate the "real" person from the person he pretends to be all the time.

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    62. Re:Well, hm... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Can you name another government agency so badly in need of attention as NASA? Face it NASA needs pretty much any pop culture exposure it can get. Now that having men and women in space is common, they need something to stick in the minds of the American people. Otherwise their budgetary concerns could get a lot worse.

    63. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better to name the vomit bags after him, since he's such a puke.

    64. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He "saved the elephants from extinction" did he? You're a goddamned imbecile if you think that! What has Colbert ever done? Make people laugh for money, that's all. He's not some messiah or iconic world philanthropist. He's an avaricious, ambitious, and talented professional comedian. Always, always, ALWAYS check with reality, people!

    65. Re:Well, hm... by Selivanow · · Score: 1

      How is this a troll? Just because you don't agree with his views doesn't make him a troll.

      Um, I forgot I was reading /. -- please disregard the above.

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    66. Re:Well, hm... by thirty-seven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Off-mike, Rush is probably a very down-to-earth and friendly guy, just like Colbert.

      So what?

      They both say stupid, offensive things, labeling their corrosive vitriol as satire.

      There's a big difference. You apparently really don't get Colbert. When Rush Limbaugh showed a picture of Chelsea Clinton, when she was just a child, and called her a "dog", if he claimed "satire" as his defence then he certainly wasn't claiming that he wasn't really making fun of her, he would have just been claiming that he was "satirizing" her and so it was OK to be cruel to a child.

      However, when Colbert is over-the-top and goes after some target like saying that California's 50th Congressional District is "dead" to him for not supporting his friend Duke Cunningham enough, that is satire because he is not actually mad at the people of that district at all.

      His satire is directed at the bombastic partisan space cadets that he emulates, like Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, and Bill O'Reilly.

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    67. Re:Well, hm... by moderatorrater · · Score: 1

      the only face he ever shows in public is that of the bombastic, self-aggrandizing jerk

      I certainly don't seek out information on the man, but I do know that there have been interviews where he's out of character. He still cracks jokes, but he's not playing the self-aggrandizing jerk. He's got a lot of wit, which seems to indicate that he's at least reasonably smart. He's married, has three kids, and doesn't let them watch the show, so you've got to figure that he's a caring father in at least some respects.

    68. Re:Well, hm... by snowwrestler · · Score: 1

      If there is a true majority party, then it doesn't matter whether or not we have a proportional allocation system, since the majority party will win either way.

      Proportional allocation just gives you more ways to throw away your vote. A minority platform will be forced into compromise under any political system--that's just a consequence of being in the minority.

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    69. Re:Well, hm... by nschubach · · Score: 1

      For "The Fun Guy" you don't come off as being very much fun.

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    70. Re:Well, hm... by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 1

      Keep reading the rest of this comment thread. In real life, I'm a very friendly and down-to-earth person.(1)

      So that makes it OK for me to say whatever I want here.(2)

      (1) Satire.
      (2) More satire.

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    71. Re:Well, hm... by Daimanta · · Score: 1

      "The Brawndo references were sad in that they were not only similar to current marketing, but working on current marketing concepts, and people honestly fall for it."

      But it's got electrolytes!

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    72. Re:Well, hm... by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 1

      This link & interview is the first indication I've ever seen about him where he's out of character. I can appreciate the facts of his homelife supporting a better picture of him as a person than his public face would suggest. If there is some disassociation between Colbert-the-comic and Colbert-the-character, it's present in the fact that he doesn't want his kids to see his work on the show.

      Colbert stopped being funny to me after the first 3 minutes. It's like watching a clown who only knows one bit, repeated over and over. The joke doesn't become high art or meaningful social commentary just because you repeat it a hundred times.

      Thanks for the link.

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    73. Re:Well, hm... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          When a common theme in congress is to vote on things based on how your peers are going to vote, or even just by the title, without reviewing the material, then ... well ... I beg to differ.

          That's not much different than public voting though. People will vote on ballot items based on what is written on the ballot. You could get an "anti-child pornography" line item on the ballot, but the text of the actual item (not on the ballot, of course) could outlaw any video recording device (still or video), computers, any method of disseminating that video (modem, phone lines, portable media, print media, internet connectivity), or viewing such materials (televisions, computers, projectors, etc). Insert "including but not limited to" before each list in a formal bill. We'll assume no riders that require the listed items actually used in conjunction with child pornography.

          I would be willing to bet that if the above "anti-child pornography" item showed up, it would have a greater than 90% vote for it. So, when it passed, suddenly cameras (video and still), computers, televisions, VCR's, floppy disks, tapes, cd's, DVD's, flash drives, telephone lines, internet connections, would all suddenly become illegal.

          Who's going to vote against something phrased properly? Not many people. A very few would raise a stink about it, but who would ever come out in favor of child pornography? No one.

          That's what most of the nasty anti-second amendment bills have been. Controlling "arms". Not controlling arms that have been used in conjunction with a crime. Just controlling them. When California passed it's own anti-assult weapons ban, a stack of search warrants were signed the same day, and assault weapons were seized from law enforcement officers across the state. Some officers had them to help with their jobs, but they were personally owned. Some had them "just in case". LA has seen riots. If I were an officer living in that area, I'd prefer to have a good assault weapon, and be able to protect my friends, family, and neighbors. Rather, they are allowed to have their department issued equipment. So, fend off a looting murderous mob with a pistol, and good luck. Maybe backup will come.

          Such laws MUST be properly evaluated before presentation. Signing off on something because the title was nice, or even the first couple pages read well, does not cut it. And ya, that's where intelligence comes in. I know if I were to try to do something sneaky, I'd slip it in on page 400. Refusal of overworded nonsensical crap is fine. "Rejected for proper rewrite". If I were in a member of Congress, I'd stand before them (where they're attending, not late night talking to myself and CSPAN for the sake of being on the record) and say it. But accepting it because it seemed ok, and some other people I spoke with thought the same is what gets us into serious trouble on a regular basis. Or did we forget the Patriot Act?

          But hey, I can tell, you would have voted for the "anti-child pornography" bill, so we'd all be criminals for having computers, televisions, and Internet connectivity.

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    74. Re:Well, hm... by vux984 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the US switched to a proportional system, the odds of a minority government headed by Rush Limbaugh would become greater than zero,

      This can happen in the US, if there were enough strong political parties.

      and that's a risk I'm happy that the founders avoided.

      Except they didn't.

      Hitler was elected as head of a minority government.

      Lets say in addition to the dems and republicans we had rush, all roughly equally strong. We go to election and Rush 'wins' with 37% of the vote (same as Hitler). This isn't enough to win the electoral college however, so the House must elect a president from the top three. Rush, as the 'winner' is one of those 3. He could win a majority here and become president. But even if he doesn't, and the house deadlocks with no canditate getting a majority, then what happens?

      The senate votes on the vice president, again rush's running mate will be in the top three, and may win, and become acting-president indefinitely until the house can resolve its presidential deadlock. (So Rush himself isn't president, but his party running mate is... that's about as bad.) Meanwhile the house has to resolve the deadlock... (ie back room deals...)

      If the senate also reaches deadlock on selecting a vice-president, well... I'm not really sure what happens at that point. Does anybody?

      Frankly, the entire US system is thrown into really really ugly chaos as soon as you have 3 strong political parties, such that no candidate can ever win the electoral college. The 'founding fathers', in my opinion have left a mess waiting to happen. If the moderate republicans and democrats ever decide that they share more in common with eachother in the 'middle' than they do with the more extreme parts of their own party the US is completely screwed.

      With 3 strong parties, the electoral college can't be won, and the house decides every election. Assuming the house itself is good mix of those 3 parties, no candidate will get a majority in that vote either, and we'll have deadlock.

      "Backroom deals" between parties and the house members to get a candidate a majority will be how every president will be elected.

      How does that even resemble democracy?

    75. Re:Well, hm... by andymadigan · · Score: 1

      I doubt we would have a majority party in the U.S., as it is both our parties just barely manage to get enough for a president.

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    76. Re:Well, hm... by Glothar · · Score: 1

      I have trouble believing you're so blind as to fail to see the difference between these two.

      Stephen Colbert is a satirist, and Rush can only joke about trying to be one. Stephen Colbert has repeatedly shown that not only does he know that he's playing an over-the-top character for one TV show, but that said character is almost a polar opposite of his own beliefs. In fact, his show plays on that fact and if you watch more than cherrypicked clips, you'll see that he "breaks the fourth wall" quite often.

      Steven Colbert is not the character he plays and that is the whole point of the show. The fact that you don't have any clue about this tells me that you have no business talking about this subject.

      Finally, unlike Rush, who seems to be even more fascist and abrasive outside his own show, Colbert has given plenty of interviews where he acts like himself, a normal, cheery and totally down to earth person. Actually, he gives them four times a week for about a half hour before every one of his shows. While the cameras and sound guys get set up for the show, Colbert comes out and talks with the audience as himself. When I was there, he actually looked a little sad and upset because, as he explained very humbly to us, he had decided to rewrite most of the show a couple hours earlier and that decision left us out in the spring rain for an extra half hour, and in a cramped waiting room for forty minutes.

      I guess you just don't get it. Colbert was friendlier than most local news anchors I've met and far more aware of the fact that he was performing a comedy routine than you seem to be.

    77. Re:Well, hm... by TheGeniusIsOut · · Score: 4, Funny
      I'm not so sure they are going to take the joke lying down though. The last quote in the SFC article has some darker undertones.

      "We don't typically name U.S. space station hardware after living people and this is no exception," Bill Gerstenmaier, NASA's associate administrator for space operations, said, adding: "We have invited Stephen to Florida for the launch of COLBERT and to Houston to try out a version of the treadmill that astronauts train on."

      Should Stephen be concerned for his safety? /TinfoilHat

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    78. Re:Well, hm... by Mozk · · Score: 1

      Who the hell is Bill Marr? You mean Bill Maher?

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    79. Re:Well, hm... by stdarg · · Score: 1

      Especially since the last big exposure was that astronaut woman who murdered someone while wearing a diaper. And then for weeks the news assured everybody that she wasn't crazy and that all astronauts wear diapers regularly... great...

    80. Re:Well, hm... by daveywest · · Score: 1

      Thankfully, people with low IQ's don't vote often.

    81. Re:Well, hm... by stdarg · · Score: 1

      With 3 strong parties, the electoral college can't be won, and the house decides every election. Assuming the house itself is good mix of those 3 parties, no candidate will get a majority in that vote either, and we'll have deadlock.

      "Backroom deals" between parties and the house members to get a candidate a majority will be how every president will be elected.

      Wow, I've never really thought about that. Recently I was thinking how great it is that we have a 2-party system because we don't end up with as many radicals in charge, but I guess there's nothing really requiring that.

      Luckily the 2-party system we have is a fairly stable equilibrium. If a third party did become strong enough, the closer of the other two parties would probably average-in their platform and kill it.

      I'm really glad we don't have a system that results in dozens of small parties in power since they tend to be too radical.

    82. Re:Well, hm... by ZarathustraDK · · Score: 1

      Cool fact about democracy: if you're in the minority your vote doesn't count.

      Please America, you've made "atheist" a hush-word already, please leave "democracy" alone.

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    83. Re:Well, hm... by sidesh0w · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying COLBERT isn't great, but the best backronym I've ever seen was South East Alaska MOnitoring Network for Science, Telecommunications, Education, and Research (SEAMONSTER), which is also a NASA project.

    84. Re:Well, hm... by lazyforker · · Score: 1

      NASA retained the right to name the module whatever the hell they wanted. This was made clear before the voting. Hence the rule is not arbitrary and all NASA did was exercise its right.

    85. Re:Well, hm... by winwar · · Score: 1

      Probably because we want relatively mainstream wackjobs in power.

      There are excellent reasons not to have proportional allocation. You tend may get better representation of smaller constituencies at the cost of fracturing the electorate. It tends to reduce the incentive to compromise or creates bad policy if you have to pander to a certain group.

      Whether or not that is a feature or a bug is hard to tell....

    86. Re:Well, hm... by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      Because we like to maintain our illusion that we vote for the person, not for the party.

      You don't need party lists to have proportional representation. You can use single transferrable vote.

      Americans believe that the parties are corrupt, but individuals might not be, so we delude ourselves into thinking we're "voting for the [wo/]man not the party." Proportional vote wrecks this because either the party or some other entity gets to choose how to allocate the seats it gets, so it won't get much support for the time being.

      Are you saying that what Americans believe is correct and they're right to insist on single-seat constituencies, or that it's a fallacy and we just maintain the system to support a "delusion" in your words? You're not doing the current system any favors. Under party lists, the quality of the lists has a lot to do with the engagement of citizens in the parties. When it's an actual organization that you carry a card for a pay dues to you tend to actually care about who's on the list -- instead of the current system where all candidates are mistrusted and it's always the fault of some vague party somewhere, that everyone identifies with and no one belongs to, or takes responsibility for.

      But you can do PR without lists, anyways.

      The problem is that we also believe that although both parties are pretty evil the other party is a lot more evil and also eats puppies! So "sometimes" it's necessary to "vote against" them by voting for "our" party that's slightly less evil (they only eat kittens, after all).

      Strategic voting, for puppies over kittens, is a consequence of first-past-the-post plurality-take-all elections, not a cause. But this is sortof a separate issue from proportional representation. Instant-Runoff balloting also reduces the "Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!" phenomenon.

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    87. Re:Well, hm... by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      Frankly, the entire US system is thrown into really really ugly chaos as soon as you have 3 strong political parties, such that no candidate can ever win the electoral college.

      Uh, plurality of electors wins, not a majority. If Rush or Ron Paul of Kucinich wins 37%, and the other guys win 30% and 33%, the 37% guy wins.

      On the other hand, the Founders never intended the system to reflect the popular vote, just for the electors to vote their conscience. If there was a big split, they probably assumed all of the electors would be big about it and consult with each other on a good compromise position (this is how the founders usually dealt with their disagreements, after all).

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    88. Re:Well, hm... by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was disappointed to learn the module wasn't named Serenity.

      I always thought that Serenity was a poor name for a space station module. Better would be Dortmunder or Magellan.

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    89. Re:Well, hm... by iluvcapra · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh, and technically, the Nazis won a 33% of the seats in 1932, actually losing seats from their previous election. Hitler was made chancellor because Hindenburg appointed him, not because Hitler won the job through any operation of democracy. Hitler himself failed to form a majority coalition and asked Hindenburg to dissolve parliament for another election, which Hindenburg did. And then the Reichstag burned a week before the new elections, winning Hitler more seats, but STILL not enough to form a majority. So he sent brownshirts out to beat up all the leftist members of the Reichstag, and keep them out of the chamber when the Enabling Act was voted on.

      The instability of the period is a direct result of the Weimar Republic's succession and election procedure, but the final consequence of the Nazis running the government was caused directly by Hindenburg's misuse of presidential powers and political violence.

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    90. Re:Well, hm... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Uh, plurality of electors wins, not a majority. If Rush or Ron Paul of Kucinich wins 37%, and the other guys win 30% and 33%, the 37% guy wins.

      No. Not in the the US. Read the US Constitution. In the US, if no candidate achieves a MAJORITY of the electroal college, the House of Representatives elects the president (by state delegation).

      For more info: Google: what if no candidate gets 270 electoral votes

      http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=DUs&q=what+if+no+candidate+gets+270+electoral+votes&btnG=Search&meta=

    91. Re:Well, hm... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      hahahahahahaha

          ok.

          Voting doesn't work like that. Lower IQ people tend to be swayed into really strong beliefs. That's why high IQ people don't make for good cultists. One cult in particular that I know of has any prospective member take personality and IQ tests. They aren't ideal tests (badly written), but they are tests. If you score high on either (or in my case both), they won't talk to you ever again. :) Strong personalities and high IQ's make for bad cultists. That is unless you're the one running the cult. That's what they're afraid of.

          So, lower IQ people, who can be swayed to believe almost anything, are a great catch. "You have to vote for ...." "the other guy will ...." scare tactics with no factual backing. The less intelligent and/or less informed will believe what they are told, and get their friends, family, strangers, whoever, to side with them.

          Sure, there are plenty of above-the-curve folks who vote too, don't get me wrong. But when you're looking at 20% of the population who are low enough where they shouldn't be voting (huh, I don't get it), and the middle 68% who are intelligent enough to read a newspaper and influence friends, but shouldn't be making wide spread decisions based on "he has a better name" or "that sounds like a good idea because of the title", I'm not terribly confident in the democratic mob rule. It wouldn't be such a bad thing if we ensured leadership was in the higher 20% (government or corporate, it doesn't matter).

          As you'll find, a decent portion of that 20% don't vote. They may not have time to get to the ballot box. They may not have scheduled to receive their absentee ballot, or they may have simply thought they'd be in town for voting, and ended up on a business trip. I make an effort to be home on voting day. And from standing in line listening to some of the absolutely crap spewed by people in line, I know there is a substantial curve.

          Obama is going to put all white people in prison. He's going to raise taxes on whites to 200%. He's going to take away our guns. He'll take away the constitution entirely! That was from white people who had no clue. He got lucky, and had a good following across many demographics. Even that side was catty. McCain will send everyone to war. He's going to kill us all. We're going to send Americans to their deaths for the next 100 years. And the regular quotes. He's going to raise taxes to 200%. He's going to take away our guns. He's going to destroy the constitution. But McCain had the ideal running mate for failure. I won't even get into that, she failed on her own merits.

          It still wasn't a matter of issues or behavioral history. It was a "I like him more. He's pretty." and "My friend knows someone who knows someone who said I should vote for...."

          A friend of mine was very demanding. She gave me a list. "This is what you should vote on the ballot." It was entertaining. On topics I knew, I generally agreed and voted the same. It wasn't because she told me to, it was because I knew the subject. A few items I didn't vote on, because I had no educated opinion on them. They were always lesser items though. Who's better for district 14 animal control manager? Hell if I know. How was the other question phrased. "Are you in favor of abolishing the sanctity of heterosexual marriage". Nah, it wasn't that bad, but it was pretty close. Do I care if a gay couple get married? Well, I am well versed on the subject. I'm not gay, but I know bisexual and homosexuals. (oh my gosh). Yes, I am in favor of letting them get married. I don't care. It's a subject between two consenting adults, and has nothing to do with me. I will (and did) vote for the laws to not restrict them. The absolute worst that comes from it is (oh my gosh), there may be some lesbians that I'm attracted to, that I'll never marry, because they're already married. You know what? It wouldn't happen anyways, so it really doesn't matter.

          [soap box off]

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    92. Re:Well, hm... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      If the senate also reaches deadlock on selecting a vice-president, well... I'm not really sure what happens at that point. Does anybody?

      Sorry to answer my own question. But I sorted it out:

      The senate gets one vote per senator, choosing from the top 2 vice presidential candidates (not 3 as I originally thought). So they CAN'T get deadlocked the way the house can, because the house chooses from 3. So the senate will either come up with a majority and select a vp, or they'll reach a tie.

      If its a tie, then the current Vice president casts the tie breaking vote, and effectively picks new the vice president.

      The new vice-president-elect is acting president until the house reaches consensus. If the house doesn't reach consensus by a certain deadline, the vice-president-elect becomes the new president.

    93. Re:Well, hm... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and technically, the Nazis won a 33% of the seats in 1932, actually losing seats from their previous election.

      Yes. But the point was really just that of a minority taking power. And a 'Hitler'-type could do that in a legitimate election, with proportional representation... or even under the US system.

      But yeah, the exact circumstances around the real Hitler's ascension to power really have little to do with proportional representation, or even democracy for that matter. As you pointed out.

    94. Re:Well, hm... by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      Yeah you're right, I read it too quickly.

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    95. Re:Well, hm... by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      Oy! Mods! Red Dwarf Reference! Mod parent up please!

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    96. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about the Outgoing Biological Ass Material Assimilator

    97. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. If nobody gets a majority in the Electoral College, it goes to the House of Reps, as mentioned a couple of sentences later in the very posting you're replying to. Double points off for the "Uh,...." condescension while being wrong.

    98. Re:Well, hm... by shanen · · Score: 1

      So you can't get the joke, eh? First you have to understand the reality before you can understand the kind of reality-based humor that Colbert is doing. I've seen a number of your comments, and so far they've only convinced me that you are quite narrow-minded. Sort of the archetype of today's /. and the reason I've pretty much given up on the system.

      Long, long ago, /. had many amusing comments that often called for deep understanding of the technical issues. If there was a +5 funny comment that didn't make sense to me, then it was very likely a signal of something I should learn more about.

      These days /. is full of the kind of recycled old garbage that you accuse Colbert of. I wouldn't claim to be an actual fan, but I have seen enough of Colbert's show to know that he's remarkably consistent and innovative, even when he's playing with one of the old themes. The Colbert Report could be improved, but I'm increasingly convinced that /. has already teetered over the edge. I'll be sure when they start the polls on shark jumping.

      In the meantime, I suppose I'll just continue fantasizing that 'the powers' might decide to fix it.

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    99. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Colbert's success is due to the overabundance of people who are easily amused.

      Actually, he brilliantly emulates pundits on Fox News by going only slightly further away from the truth than they do. He does a useful service in satirizing the way in which Fox News crafts its stories to shape public opinion. It helps viewers become sensitized and less fooled by hype and spin.

    100. Re:Well, hm... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "...either the party or some other entity gets to choose how to allocate the seats it gets..."

      This is not how it works in Australia or any place that implements the westminster system.

      For every seat the party puts their candidate on the ballot or a candidate can put him/herself on the ballot without a party. Whoever's name wins the election wins the seat. The winner can swap parties and still hold their seat, although doing so is usually political suicide. Nobody can swap seats without an election.

      The party who has more than 50% of the seats gets to form government. If no party has the required numbers of seats a coalition government must be formed or another election held. The government then gets to appoint the prime-minister who in turn appoints ministers. The government can choose any sitting member they like, needless to say they always pick someone from thier own party/coalition.

      The two leaders of the two largest parties are the obvious pre-election contenders for the prime-minister's spot but to be prime-minister they must win their seat just like any other member.

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    101. Re:Well, hm... by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Uh.. That's not proportional voting at all. In fact, that's atrocious compared to what we have in the US. In the system you've described, it's still a plurality, and the executive is guaranteed to be the same party as the majority.

      That lack of gridlock is a problem. Legislating should not be efficient or it'll be even more susceptible to the trap of "we have to do something, this is something, therefore we should do this" ballooning the budget by 80% and establishing new obligations that will not be as easily shed as they were passed.

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    102. Re:Well, hm... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Funny

      I prefer a system by which a watery tart distributes swords to establish a leader for the people.

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    103. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't the average IQ 100, per definition?

    104. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, you mean the Colon Obstruction Lessener Bringing Essential Relief of Tension?

    105. Re:Well, hm... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "In the system you've described, it's still a plurality"

      "That lack of gridlock is a problem."

      That's just the house of reps, there is also the senate and cerimonial head of state who's elected by parliment, like the Queen in the UK the GG's only real power is that he can sack the government if a double dissolution arises (gridlock is so bad that technically the govt can't get their shit together enough to pass budgets and pay bills). I highly recommend the Britsh sit-com "Yes (Prime)Mininster" for a demonstration of the gridlock found in the westminster system, it may not be so funny to an American but it's a classic comedy everywhere the westminster sytem is used because it contains more than a grain of truth.

      The stories you see on slashdot about the Aussie net censorship is another example of westminster gridlock. The endless inquries and trials that all parties engage in is designed to keep the endless trickle of wack-job independents (that often hold the balance of power in the senate), chasing their own tails. The last govt were right wingers and ran trials to appease a pro-censorship independent, after dragging on for ages the lefties killed the mandatory black list and the law became provide money to companies to implement a voluntray to the user "clean feed" on all internet connections.

      Now the lefties are in power the situations is reversed, the leties are holding a trial to appease two pro-censorship independents and the right wingers and greenies are vowing to kill the mandatory blacklist in the senate. They have the power to do so and if a bill is rejected twice the govt must withdraw or face the prospect of being sacked by the GG/Queen.

      In practical terms this means that since the net became popular in the mid to late 90's we have spent millions in trials to get a law that forces ISP's to offer an optional "clean feed" the only place the filter is mandatory is on governments computers accessed by kids, such as at public schools. The rest of the world can and do ignore the filter, well all except for the ~5% of people that vote for the wackjob independents who in turn occasionaly get lucky enough to hold the balance of power.

      The main difference in US vs Oz political nighmares is the US could conciveably suffer a military coup. In Oz the public service could conciveably evolve into something like the movie Brazil.

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    106. Re:Well, hm... by hey! · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, sure. But the thing I keep coming back to is this: democracy isn't about ensuring that we get good and wise leaders. No system can do that. It's about making sure we can kick the really bad ones out.

      Here's something interesting. I'm only two degrees separated from Saudi Arabia's Prince Bandar. We have a mutual friend. So whenever he's in the news, I always listen to what he is saying. Mostly, what he does is act for an apologist for the Saudi regime. One point he likes to make is that monarchies aren't really that different from democracies. When a monarchy screws up, it gets thrown out, only instead of it being done by an election, you have armed people in the streets.

      The point he's missing, of course, is that things have to get really awful for that to happen. They've either got to be so bad that people risk being arrested and tortured by the secret police, or that everybody in the country rises up at the same time. You can't throw out the monarchy because you don't like, let's say, their trade policies. Nobody is going to throw out the monarchy because they think the next monarchy might have marginally better taxation policies.

      The thing that makes a republic the best form of government ever devised is the low cost of participating in revolution. All you've got to do is check somebody else's box on the ballot. That means the people in power have to pay attention to the future well-being of the people if they don't want to lose power. You don't even get that under direct democracy.

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    107. Re:Well, hm... by cool_story_bro · · Score: 1

      now they're naming it "PR Stunt"?

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    108. Re:Well, hm... by ScreamingCactus · · Score: 1

      I can't think of any reason at all why they shouldn't have named it Colbert. They asked what people wanted the name to be, the people said Colbert, and then NASA turned around and said, "oh, we meant what BESIDES Colbert should we call it?"
      And for what reason? Is there something inherently offensive about the name Colbert?

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    109. Re:Well, hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a country of 307 million people has an average IQ of 100...

      A country of 5 people has an average IQ of 100

      IQ tests are regional, because you cannot factor culture out of test results reliably. As such, that country has it's own tests... and the average of any scores will be consitered 100.

      Minor thing, off topic, and there's more too it of course... but yeah... 307 million people with an average IQ of 100, because the average will always be 100, even if everyones a moron.

  2. This opens a whole new angle by patmandu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe we could get the toilets named RIAA or something?

    1. Re:This opens a whole new angle by I.M.O.G. · · Score: 1

      This was the first post at my viewing threshhold - hilarious! Mod it up!

    2. Re:This opens a whole new angle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We named the geek compound toilet slave RIAA -- Richard Isn't Afraid of Ass.

      Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda
      Pants are optional

    3. Re:This opens a whole new angle by Vu1turEMaN · · Score: 3, Funny

      Racketeering Infants Assault Assholes?
      Rabid Imbittered Alien Anarchists?
      Ragamuffins Inebriated After Angioplasty?
      Radishes Interrupt Angry Americans?

      Yea, we could totally make this a contest.

    4. Re:This opens a whole new angle by cashman73 · · Score: 1

      That would be an insult to the legendary work of the late Thomas Crapper.

    5. Re:This opens a whole new angle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Residual Intake Aqueous Afterproducts?

    6. Re:This opens a whole new angle by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Maybe we could get the toilets named RIAA or something?

      Come on. Do you really think the RIAA would be satisfied having their name associated with a toilet? They're obviously attempting to be associated with satan.

    7. Re:This opens a whole new angle by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Maybe we could get the toilets named RIAA or something?

      Similar things have almost happened for real:

      http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/17/BA7A11QU1S.DTL
         

    8. Re:This opens a whole new angle by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Ragingly Idiotic Angry Alcoholics of course!
      Compare them to the Massively Penetrating Asshole Abusers.

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    9. Re:This opens a whole new angle by fuzzix · · Score: 1

      Residual Intake Aqueous Afterproducts?

      Receptacle for Indecent Anal Aromas

    10. Re:This opens a whole new angle by Vu1turEMaN · · Score: 1

      BE CAREFUL! It's a trap!

      The slashdot mods lull you into a sense of trust with +3 Funny, then round two comes around and they mod you Offtopic instead. Creativity is squashed! I'm blaming Obama!

    11. Re:This opens a whole new angle by shanen · · Score: 1

      You must be new here.

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    12. Re:This opens a whole new angle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Start a petition, I bet we could get it plugged on the Colbert Report... NASA should have named the whole thing that and been true to the people, lol. I'm sure there were some people that worked on that thing way harder that would be totally pissed if they named it that, I would if I were them.

  3. Tranquility? by Thelasko · · Score: 5, Informative

    I thought serenity was the runner up?

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    1. Re:Tranquility? by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      We need to change copyright laws...

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    2. Re:Tranquility? by oneiros27 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That was my reaction when I saw the show last night, too.

      They not only decided to ignore the write-in winner, but also to ignore the winner amongst the 'finalist' names that NASA had selected.

      Based on numbers reported from MSNBC:

      • Colbert : 'more than 230,000'
      • Serenity: about 190,000 (lost 'by more than 40,000 votes')
      • Myyearbook: 147,637
      • Gaia: 114,427

      From that, we know that Tranquility is under 114,427 ... but we also know the relative percentages of the 4 that NASA proposed (which gives us: Earthrise : 24k; Legacy : 35k; Venture: 21k), the total number of votes, and that there were another 4 above Tranquility in the rankings ... even if there was a multi-way tie between Xenu/Socialvibe/Buddy/Ubuntu and Tranquility, and Synergy and Vision got negligible results ... Tranquility couldn't have gotten more than 86k votes.

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    3. Re:Tranquility? by eln · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe they figured out that everyone immediately jumped to Firefly when they heard Serenity, and they didn't want that association. On the other hand, I question the wisdom of giving it a name that already is hugely significant in the annals of space travel, since it was also the name of the Apollo 11 moon landing site, but what are you gonna do. Every name has some issue with it.

      I would have liked them to name the commode after Colbert instead, but this is a pretty clever compromise on its own, and its in keeping with the government's practice of creating cumbersome acronyms for ordinary objects, so I guess it works.

    4. Re:Tranquility? by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      I seem to recall... "Tranquility Base, here. The Eagle has landed..."

      It was Tranquility.

    5. Re:Tranquility? by neowolf · · Score: 1

      I really doubt it was a copyright issue. I also doubt that Joss would have any issues with it.

    6. Re:Tranquility? by eln · · Score: 1

      That's what I was referring to in the second sentence. My apologies if that wasn't clear.

    7. Re:Tranquility? by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      major slap in the face from NASA

      I guess - if an online naming poll is really that big a deal - that this qualifies as a major slap in the face. My personal reaction runs more along the lines of "who the hell cares?"

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    8. Re:Tranquility? by Dorkmaster+Flek · · Score: 4, Funny

      Scandalous! I propose we henceforth refer to this atrocity as NASA-gate!

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    9. Re:Tranquility? by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I doubt that Joss would have any say in the matter.

    10. Re:Tranquility? by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Insightful

      WTF is Myyearbook?

    11. Re:Tranquility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think we should call this Scandal STAR-gate

    12. Re:Tranquility? by srussia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What was wrong with "Node 3"?

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    13. Re:Tranquility? by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      The stupid part. Is that Serenity from firefly was named to try to fit in with NASA names. That would be like never naming a ship with the prefix U.S.S. because it makes people think of startrek. In case you didn't know the uss enterprise was a ship in the US navy for like 100 years. Oh wait we have proof this doesn't bother NASA. They named the first space shuttle the enterprise... So I think NASA is just being stupid, got fed up with contest cause of Colbert and decided to ignore the whole thing.

    14. Re:Tranquility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a myspace clone.

    15. Re:Tranquility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      At least they didn't name the the commode Serenity. The number of brown coats floating in their own anger would be horrible.

    16. Re:Tranquility? by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Funny

      What was wrong with "Node 3"?

      Why do you ask, Child 1?

    17. Re:Tranquility? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Actually, the USS Enterprise has been a series of ships in the US navy including our current flagship.

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    18. Re:Tranquility? by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 1

      That alone suggests that this contest was hijacked. Or at least, the only reason I can think of that it's on the list is because somebody at this company thought that spamming the contest was a good viral marketing strategy. I suppose that the time and effort involved in doing a decent poll (taking e-mail addresses, forcing a click-back from a message sent to that e-mail address) would have been too much trouble. Although, I think that if NASA were going to pick whatever name they liked best from the list anyway, they should have been more upfront about it. I don't think they expected to get this much publicity though.

      At least it's not Xena or Xenu or whatever that name of that pyramid-scheme cult picked.

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    19. Re:Tranquility? by Thelasko · · Score: 4, Funny

      WTF is Myyearbook?

      A social networking website that apparently doesn't know how to sanitize its databases.

      From Wikipedia:

      In December 2005, myYearbook was down for about a half hour after locker abuse. A user by the name of Thirtysixway used the locker feature to upload PHP files and send out masses of Email. Over 30,000 emails were sent and caused one of the servers to go down. After this incident, myYearbook filters out files that can be executed or illegal.

      The results of this poll seem to suggest otherwise. Little Bobby Table's mom would be proud.

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    20. Re:Tranquility? by gzine · · Score: 0

      It does not follow the other nodes naming convention/theme. A little queer, yes. I would have done deathstarAlpha, deathstarBeta, etc... But then what would I use for my home network pc's?

    21. Re:Tranquility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats exactly the question the spammers wanted you to ask.

      In this case, I would prefer to remain ignorant so as not to encourage them.

    22. Re:Tranquility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That may be true, but a mindless insult that adds nothing whatsoever to the thread deserves downmodding.

    23. Re:Tranquility? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Funny

      Fox would though. Where's the fun in cancelling a show if you can't use your IP rights to stop the fans mentioning it/naming things after ships in it later.

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    24. Re:Tranquility? by tixxit · · Score: 1

      Well, considerably more than half a million people voted on this on-line poll. Clearly they took a bit of time because they thought their voice would be heard. Instead, NASA just chose the one they wanted. Sure, they got some publicity this time around, but who is going to be bothered to vote next time around?

    25. Re:Tranquility? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Maybe they figured out that everyone immediately jumped to Firefly when they heard Serenity, and they didn't want that association.

      Why would they care? They didn't care about naming the first shuttle Enterprise after a vote, which obviously associated with Star Trek, a show that at the time was mostly popular with a select audience of geeks upset that the show was canceled due to low ratings. But if you didn't know or care about Star Trek, there was a history of naval vessels bearing the name so it was relevant. Serenity doesn't have a history like that, but it does fit perfectly with the other two modules and thus would not cause anyone who didn't care about Firefly to say "Why the arf did they name it that?"

      Not that I care, but I don't see why NASA would either.

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    26. Re:Tranquility? by dr_wheel · · Score: 1

      Because Node 3 is jerks. Total suck node!

    27. Re:Tranquility? by dominic_mcn · · Score: 1

      what sort of /. reader are you - ever heard of google?

    28. Re:Tranquility? by Fulminata · · Score: 1

      Why wouldn't they want that association? It's not like it would be the first time that a piece of NASA hardware took its name from a science fiction TV show.

    29. Re:Tranquility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't blame me, I voted for Wozniak ... ;-)

      Thought the same thing. Tranquility?

      If it couldn't be Colbert, Serenity was a perfectly acceptable name that had the next highest number of votes.

      NASA seems to be cutting off its nose to spite its face here... In these harsh economic times, why would they alienate 420,000+ people that are interested in any way in the operations of NASA and its missions? Seems that they'd want as many people excited about their missions as possible to help maintain pressure to continue funding...

      Odd..
       

    30. Re:Tranquility? by oldspewey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sure the eggheads at NASA started out with the best of intentions where this poll is concerned. Then Steve Colbert came along and hijacked the process (and I'm not pointing fingers, it's Colbert's job to fuck with things and he did an admirable job of it) and the eggheads were left to figure out some other way forward. That's the reality of the situation. The psychologically-healthy way of dealing with that reality is to shrug your shoulders, silently congratulate Steve Colbert on a job well done, and move on. Taking it personally and deciding that NASA has delivered a "slap in the face" is the route to misery.

      Also consider - how many times are you actually going to hear the name of that module over the next 10 years? Maybe during the week when they launch and assemble it. After that, will we be reading items about a new crew blasting off to visit the Harmony module, or Serenity, or Colbert? Here's a challenge for you: without looking anything up on the web, name 2 others modules currently comprising the ISS.

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    31. Re:Tranquility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. You do not talk about Serenity.
      2. You DO NOT talk about Serenity.
      3. These rules apply to any other Fox IP as well.
      4. If the rules are not applied to a Fox IP, the defendant is required to flush any residual memory of the said IP using a distilled substance of an unspecified brand.

    32. Re:Tranquility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it wasn't a copyright issue. You can't copyright a single word. It's likely you're thinking of trademarks.

    33. Re:Tranquility? by agravier · · Score: 1

      Went on their front page; seems to be a social net for teens.

    34. Re:Tranquility? by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      See ?

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    35. Re:Tranquility? by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      Lots of flagships actually. The enterprise during ww2 was a huge deal, possibly the most honoured ship in history. But, it was named after countless ships before her. The one I was thinking of helped in the formation of the US. But the name Enterprise tracks back to a french ship from 1671. The brits stole one and the name has passed down to the US. All that history. But, most people i'll say 95% if you say USS Enterprise. They will think to boldly go where no man has gone before. Ah well. I now have no idea what my point was... I voted Serenity looong before /. heard about the vote so boo

    36. Re:Tranquility? by Verdatum · · Score: 1

      If no one cares, what is the bloody point of NASA? We get very few palpable benefits from the billions of dollars budgeted to NASA. We get crossover innovations ("Space-age" innovations, like Tang); we get nationalistic bragging rights for any time we achieve a space first, like the first moon landing; and we get public satisfaction. This last bit is where we, as a nation, democratically feel that is worth taxpayer money to explore space, because it will just sorta make us happier. If the public gives evidence that it will make them happier to name it "Colbert" or (perhaps more arguably,) to name it "Serenity", it is NASA's responsibility, as an organization funded by a (representative) democracy, to listen to the people, and name it as the people desire. Unless they can give reason otherwise.

      Perhaps when commercial space ventures become feasible they will better appreciate consumer demand, and one of them will name one of their modules "Colbert" or "Serenity".

      (Yeah, yeah, this whole comment is at least somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Take from it whatever you like.)

    37. Re:Tranquility? by default+luser · · Score: 1

      What I did was I took nature's most perfect killing machine and needlessly turned it into a space station.

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    38. Re:Tranquility? by CFTM · · Score: 1

      I believe that NASA said they would have a popular vote and take that in to consideration and then make their own decision. I'm fairly sure that I remember reading this right from the get-go.

    39. Re:Tranquility? by Odin's+Raven · · Score: 1

      Maybe they figured out that everyone immediately jumped to Firefly when they heard Serenity, and they didn't want that association.

      Are they afraid that Fox will cancel the ISS after one season? ;-)

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    40. Re:Tranquility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My vote is going to "Colbrenity"

    41. Re:Tranquility? by Thoughts+from+Englan · · Score: 1

      Except that, as far as I know, the Fox series was called Firefly and the film was called Serenity because Universal didn't have the rights to use the Firefly name. On the other hand maybe Universal wouldn't grant the rights or possibly I may be plain wrong.

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    42. Re:Tranquility? by ochampaugh · · Score: 1

      > WTF is Myyearbook?
      spam

    43. Re:Tranquility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    44. Re:Tranquility? by FrameRotBlues · · Score: 1

      I think you mean, "Pod 6 was jerks." (Sealab 2021.)

    45. Re:Tranquility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiocy made manifest.

    46. Re:Tranquility? by dr_wheel · · Score: 1

      You think? It doesn't really matter what you think because I've declared Martian Law. Under Martian Law, Pod 6 is now referred to as Node 3. Also... under Martian law, doctors and other wizards are forbidden!

    47. Re:Tranquility? by nschubach · · Score: 1

      Funny, but I'm still waiting for four generations to be named 127, 0, 0 Jr, and 1.

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    48. Re:Tranquility? by srussia · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What was wrong with "Node 3"?

      Why do you ask, Child 1?

      Hi Thanshin,

      Funny, but I am indeed (male) child 1, and my family having some Chinese cultural influence, I am literally referred to as "(male) child 1", and I don't mind at all.

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    49. Re:Tranquility? by jejones · · Score: 1

      Come to think of it, isn't "Ichiro" a popular name in Japan?

    50. Re:Tranquility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes me think of a similar poll "scandal" we had here in Dallas.

      Lesson: Don't put a poll up on the internet if you're not ready to accept what Colbert or Scientology or /b/ might force on you. The wishy-washy appearance of changing your mind will backfire on you.

    51. Re:Tranquility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Serenity now, insanity later.

    52. Re:Tranquility? by lazyforker · · Score: 1

      I believe it's not uncommon for children to be named "child 1". In addition to the Japanese name "Ichiro", a lot of boys are named "Primo" in Spain, Portugal, Italy.

    53. Re:Tranquility? by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      What was wrong with "Node 3"?

      Why do you ask, Child 1?

      Ah, that reminds me of a joke I heard long ago. Please forgive the political incorrectness.

      There once was a native tribe where the tradition was that the chief would name all the children in his tribe. One day, a young warrior of the tribe comes to the elderly chief and asks him, "O Chief, how do you come up with the names you give the children in this tribe?"
      The chief sits back and says, "Well, when I first became chief, and had to start naming children, I put a lot of thought and effort into those names. I would look deeply into the child's eyes, and try to envision what the future would hold and give them an appropriate name, like Tranquility or Runs Like The Wind."
      "After a while, I ran out of really good names, and started using simpler names, like Great Eagle or Bright Eyes."
      "After a while, even those names ran out. This caused some difficulty for a while, but then I started naming children after interesting things I saw happening around the village and the surrounding area. This got me names like Doe Drinking Water and Butterfly On Roses."
      "But why do you ask, Two Dogs Fucking?"

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    54. Re:Tranquility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You deserve to be raped to death by rabid jew-Niggers

  4. Your tax dollars at work by Anonymusing · · Score: 4, Funny

    How long did it take them to come up with the acronym "Combined Operational Load Bearing External Resistance Treadmill"?

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    1. Re:Your tax dollars at work by peragrin · · Score: 1

      don't know but Colbert likes to run his mouth, nowadtranauts get to strapinto him and run. Probablywhile watching video rips of his show.

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    2. Re:Your tax dollars at work by icebrain · · Score: 5, Funny

      Probably not very long, really. The art of the TLA, and the related art of the backronym, are practiced in highly refined form by government agencies and the aerospace industry. NASA, being formed from the union of those sets, brings those arts very near to perfection. It's almost instinctual for them.

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    3. Re:Your tax dollars at work by Uksi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All of ten minutes and it's basically free, massive publicity with almost no effort.

      Do you think you would've known about this new ISS module if it weren't for Colbert?

    4. Re:Your tax dollars at work by Gerafix · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you kidding? These guys have Professional Enhancing Name Introductory Services.

    5. Re:Your tax dollars at work by YourExperiment · · Score: 4, Funny

      Need a hand fixing that space bar?

    6. Re:Your tax dollars at work by idontgno · · Score: 2, Interesting

      C'mon, it's NASA. They spout well-formed (or at least tortured and over-extended) acronyms like a Tourette's sufferer curses*.

      *Yes, I know, this is an extremely rare symptom, much more prominent in the stereotype of this disorder than justified by reality. Comedy is a cruel Muse, don't you think?

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    7. Re:Your tax dollars at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus there's some military heritage in NASA, and they are especially good at those arts, even better than the rest of government. It's a hat trick in there!

    8. Re:Your tax dollars at work by VShael · · Score: 3, Funny

      Indeed. The same sort of people gave us the "USA PATRIOT" acronym, the "Internet SAFETY" acronym, and some day soon, no doubt, the "PIRATES ARE EVIL" acronym.

    9. Re:Your tax dollars at work by MindPhlux · · Score: 1

      3.284102228768222325449064453432 seconds

    10. Re:Your tax dollars at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care how long I am just concerned that maybe the guy smart enough to go through the ship and find something they could slap that acronym on should probably be doing something 'important'

    11. Re:Your tax dollars at work by zbharucha · · Score: 1

      mustpostbeforeanyoneelsegetsthechanceto

    12. Re:Your tax dollars at work by CompMD · · Score: 1

      "The art of the TLA, and the related art of the backronym, are practiced in highly refined form by government agencies and the aerospace industry."

      YES. I remember having to work with an insane amount of acronyms when working on a project for Boeing. One of the other engineers introduced me to a program that helped identify acronyms, BLUES: Boeing Look Up Everything System.

    13. Re:Your tax dollars at work by Rick+Bentley · · Score: 2, Funny

      It could have been Crap OR Leak Butt Eating Receptacle for the Toilette.

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    14. Re:Your tax dollars at work by Eevee · · Score: 4, Funny

      When I first saw your post, my reaction was "There's a bar on the new module? Cool." Imagine my disappointment when I found out you were talking about typing instead of alcohol.

    15. Re:Your tax dollars at work by Briareos · · Score: 1

      NASA, aka New Acronyms Swiftly Assembled?

      Not long, I suppose...

      np: Jared Emerson-Johnson - Woo! (Sam & Max Season Two OST (Disc 1))

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    16. Re:Your tax dollars at work by chrysrobyn · · Score: 1

      Do you think you would've known about this new ISS module if it weren't for Colbert?

      Are you kidding? Every self respecting Browncoat already knew about the module. By the way, FUCK YOU, NASA.

    17. Re:Your tax dollars at work by tixxit · · Score: 1

      Well, you are talking about a Slashdotter and this was posted on slashdot before the whole Colbert mess.

    18. Re:Your tax dollars at work by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Comedy is a cruel Muse, don't you think?

      Isn't it ironic?

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    19. Re:Your tax dollars at work by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Funny

      After a major cyber-terror attack: ICANHAZURINTERNETS Act

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    20. Re:Your tax dollars at work by anup_at_mac · · Score: 0

      Indeed. The same sort of people gave us the "USA PATRIOT" acronym, the "Internet SAFETY" acronym, and some day soon, no doubt, the "PIRATES ARE EVIL" acronym

      Prosecution and Incarceration by RIAA of A$$holes Torrenting Expensive Songs by employing Absolutely Reprehensible and Extremely Expensive, Vigilant and Intelligent Lawyers.

      ... there you go. You asked for it.

    21. Re:Your tax dollars at work by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      Does your house have stairs?

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    22. Re:Your tax dollars at work by bradorsomething · · Score: 1

      Probably much longer than it took me to come up with Central Opening/Latrine Bathroom Excretion and Removal Tender.

    23. Re:Your tax dollars at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They decided to call that "ACTA" instead.

    24. Re:Your tax dollars at work by QuantumPion · · Score: 1

      That was probably the original name of the treadmill, and in an amazing coincidence someone realized it spelled out COLBERT.

    25. Re:Your tax dollars at work by Warhawke · · Score: 1
      You mean the Pirate Intention of Raping America Through Electronic Subversion Asserts Redistribution of Equity to Enterprises Void of Intellectual Liability?

      You're right, that is fun! Where do I sign up?

    26. Re:Your tax dollars at work by I'm+not+really+here · · Score: 1

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    27. Re:Your tax dollars at work by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      Yeah this whole vote is a mockery. I'm going to make my own International Space Station with Blackjack and Hookers... In fact, forget the International Space Station.

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  5. wow by bbowers · · Score: 1

    haha... they pulled that one out of thin air.

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  6. Ignored by confused+one · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Basically they chose to ignore the poll. The name they chose, "Tranquility", was like in 8th place.

    1. Re:Ignored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Basically they chose to ignore the poll.

      Which is something they reserved the right to do. Or did you not read the fine print?

    2. Re:Ignored by Kjella · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Basically they chose to ignore the poll. The name they chose, "Tranquility", was like in 8th place.

      Easy solution: Next time I see a story of NASA putting something to a vote, I'll ignore it. Won't read, won't vote, won't care as it's not real as they'll ignore both the poll and the write-ins. Slashdot editors and everyone else feel free to do the same. I think this whole thing was very unserious and unprofessional and think less of NASA for it. Great anti-PR campaign, and all PR is definately not good PR for them.

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    3. Re:Ignored by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Where have you been? PR is pretty much *all* they've done since the 70's. Never has so much hype been generated over so many unremarkable low-orbit missions and yet-another-Viking probes.

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    4. Re:Ignored by Animaether · · Score: 1

      I wholeheartedly agree!

      Any serious and professional effort should respect the wishes of the voters - even if those voters were swayed by media coverage and the name voted most for is Kjella's Left Nut. /sarcasm

      The only unprofessional part here is that NASA were so naive as to think that 'the public' whom they serve actually knows what's best. The only non-serious part here IS that very same public who just voted for teh lulz. Colbert (dur), Serenity (hi firefly), Myyearbook (what the..? oh I just googled. I guess a more vocal bunch than the mySpace kids, eh?), or Gaia (err.. Earth? Or that other not-mySpace thing, Gaia online? Boxxy is rocks, btw.)? Those were *serious* suggestions?

      I may not agree with what the choice eventually became, but I, for one, am glad they exercised their right to completely ignore the poll. I just hope they've learned to not hold one quite so publicly again.

    5. Re:Ignored by Gorm+the+DBA · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Yeah, you know...aside from that whole Mars Rover thing (5+ years on a 4 month plan...better return on time planned than Gilligan's Island "3 hour tour"

      Or the successful repair/upgrade missions to the Hubble Space Telescope

      Or, you know, building a space station...

      Or any of the 2700 other successes they've had. Yes, you're right...the manned program...not going so good...but considering that they'd jettison it if they weren't forced to keep it by Washington...they're doin alright.

    6. Re:Ignored by Stargoat · · Score: 1

      MOD PARENT UP

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    7. Re:Ignored by elrous0 · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      Mars Rover

      Yet-another-Viking probe the successful repair/upgrade missions to the Hubble Space Telescope

      Unremarkable low-orbit mission building a space station

      Unremarkable low-orbit mission any of the 2700 other successes they've had

      All unremarkable low-orbit missions and yet-another-Viking probes, exactly as my original post indicated--and all wasting billions of $ doing nothing particularly remarkable or original.

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    8. Re:Ignored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you've done better, you'll have the credibility needed to criticize NASA.

    9. Re:Ignored by DarKnyht · · Score: 1

      Because it is pointless to try to explore and better understand the universe we live in?

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  7. What about the browncoats? by tedgyz · · Score: 1

    I thought the legit winner was Serenity.

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    1. Re:What about the browncoats? by neowolf · · Score: 0, Redundant

      This really pissed me off. The whole Colbert thing was a joke from the beginning, as I'm sure even Colbert would admit, but the winner of the contest among names CHOSEN BY NASA was "Serenity".

      With the exception of naming the treadmill after Colbert- they COMPLETELY IGNORED their own poll. Way to go NASA- great way to generate public support. I'm sure people will really be eager to take part in your next naming poll, knowing that you will just ignore the results anyway.

    2. Re:What about the browncoats? by the4thdimension · · Score: 1

      Everyone loves a nice poll, amirite?

    3. Re:What about the browncoats? by leonardluen · · Score: 1

      except they didn't completely ignore the poll. they may not have named the module colbert, but they did at least use the name (the winning one i might add) for a component in the module. and probably used it in a way that had even satisfied colbert and his fans by having a sense of humor about it.

    4. Re:What about the browncoats? by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      This makes me so angry!!

      *SERENITY NOW!!*

      Ah, much better

  8. Good for them! by sherpajohn · · Score: 1

    Nice to see NASA has a sense of humour. Or would that be humor for you folks south of the border?

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    1. Re:Good for them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Europe has borders?

    2. Re:Good for them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you have some extraneous e's to append to some words somewhere?

    3. Re:Good for them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. For instance, the border between Poland and Ukraine.

    4. Re:Good for them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Europe is a sphere, finite but without borders

    5. Re:Good for them! by jbeaupre · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is spelled "humor" in Mexico.

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    6. Re:Good for them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, do you know how long it took England to build that moat to get away from France?

    7. Re:Good for them! by guyminuslife · · Score: 1

      When the Canadian Space Agency starts naming its stuff after Canadian comedians, you can call it a sense of "humour."

      (The same doesn't go both ways. We're cultural imperialists, remember?)

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  9. Just Like Every Other Government Run Agency!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    They do what they want and not what the voters demand!! This is negative for NASA in my opinion.

  10. Stupid by whisper_jeff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I think it's cool that his name is appearing in the space station, I think it's idiotic for them to not name the node Colbert. They had a public vote for the name. They allowed write in suggestions. The write in suggestion won because a TV personality made sure to make it a big deal. Name the node Colbert and, maybe, that TV personality will keep NASA in people's minds. If people are thinking about NASA a lot, it will be easier for NASA to do business (get funding, recruit minds, etc., etc., etc.). It's just stupid for them to not name it what the people voted for. What does it cost them? Oh noes! The name of the node isn't something "proper" like Tranquility! Whatever. Such a stupid decision.

    1. Re:Stupid by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Agreed across the board. However, NASA is operated by bureaucracy, what did you expect? Government to do the will of the people? Snicker snort.

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    2. Re:Stupid by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      NASA represents America, son, not democracy!

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    3. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I agree that it is stupid to not name the node Colbert but I do like the compromise. What do you expect from the US government? Decide that what the people actually want isn't good for them so toss them a bone to distract them until they forget.

    4. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      But they never claimed that they would name the node after the #1 choice - they said they'd do a poll, and then decide themselves. Not totally ignoring the poll, obviously, but also not feeling bound by it no matter what, either.

      And as I always say: all is fair if you predeclare. They didn't lie about it, so what's the problem?

      Let me guess: you voted for "Colbert" (or possibly "Serenity" - or possibly both, multiple times), and you either didn't read the rules beforehand or somehow convinced yourself that they would go with the popular choice no matter what after all. But that's not NASA's problem, it's your problem.

      What NASA did was entirely fair.

    5. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said! Boo Nasa Boo!

    6. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's just stupid for them to not name it what the people voted for.

      NASA does this. They ask for input/advice from the public, or from technical experts, or from scientific panels, but they're very serious about the word "input." That input does not seem to be considered binding or obligatory in any way, but is treated as one more bit of data by the actual decision making administrators. It may or may not be valued higher than gossip overheard in the elevator.

      At least on the biological side of their scientific mission, this contributes to substantial animosity between the agency and the scientific community. To a much greater extent than NIH or NSF, NASA is considered an old boy's club and scientific review a formality rather than a mechanism for identifying good science.

    7. Re:Stupid by PriceIke · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly what is the POINT of running a poll then, if they are going to pay no mind whatsoever to the results? I agree the "Colbert" voters were being tools, but the other entries on the list were perfectly acceptable and the winner of the poll, Serenity, is a perfectly appropriate name. It is also consistent with the NASA convention of naming things after particularly popular and inspirational science fiction vessels, as was the test shuttle Enterprise named for the starship Enterprise thanks to a massive write-in campaign by Trek fans. Naming the module Serenity would have shown that NASA still honors science fiction storytellers in the modern age, without whom the largest portion of interest in space and technology wouldn't be there.

      Besides .. 'tranquility' IS SYNONYMOUS WITH 'serenity'. Same exact concept, but NASA wanted to use their own word, not the people's. This is NASA giving the middle finger to Serenity fans, no other way to interpret it. Dumb, dumb, stupid, idiot move, NASA. Way to be pricks for no good reason.

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    8. Re:Stupid by spacefiddle · · Score: 1

      Have to agree. "We opened the name of the node up to the general public and pop culture, and are shocked and astonished that a proper, dignified, scientific name wasn't chosen."

    9. Re:Stupid by dtolman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah really stupid. Now they'll only get publicity when Colbert visits NASA, the first time its launched, the first time he interviews someone on it, etc. And they do it without pissing off international partners (it may be our node, but it ain't our space station).

    10. Re:Stupid by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

      Well, I LOLed.

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    11. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of precedent does this set for organizations with the power to stuff future ballot boxes? Do you think for one second that if NASA decided to stick to the highest vote wins for an internationally recognized facility orbiting the planet that the next votes wouldn't be in the millions with names like

      Coca-Cola
      SusanExpress (WoW Gold)
      Manchester United
      Britney Spears' new album
      etc etc

      I think Serenity should have been chosen as it was a name they offered and it did legitimately win amoung non-write-ins. Also the obvious Whedon homage.

    12. Re:Stupid by aftk2 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they foresaw the huge internet bitchfest that would result if they overturned the results of one group of internet zealots for another?

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    13. Re:Stupid by shawnce · · Score: 1

      Exactly what is the POINT of running a poll then, if they are going to pay no mind whatsoever to the results?

      To see if a truly good name popped up that they didn't think about and that they happened to like as well. ...and obviously they did look at the results of the poll.

      I too would have loved to see it named Serenity.

      This is NASA giving the middle finger to Serenity fans, no other way to interpret it. Dumb, dumb, stupid, idiot move, NASA. Way to be pricks for no good reason.

      *rolls eyes*

    14. Re:Stupid by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Why would they care? It's just a name, and it's not like they ended up with a mandate to name the thing after Hitler.

      Besides, pretty much anything that gets headlines for NASA which doesn't involve a screw up or adult diapers is good for them.

    15. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not idiotic, it's extraordinarily wise.

      Let's say that Colbert ends up sexually molesting some 6-year-old boy next year. Would you want that name on the node because of some publicity stunt?

      I thought this whole thing was fun, but don't take it for any more than it was. It was a stunt by Colbert, and should be treated as such.

      P.S. for what it's worth, if you really value a democratic approach to choosing the name, you wouldn't go with this method either. This whole thing wasn't democratic, it was ochlocratic.

    16. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't say it's unfair. The point is that it's just a dick move. I mean, why wouldn't they name it Colbert? They're just being a bunch of assholes.

    17. Re:Stupid by DarKnyht · · Score: 1

      I think someone needs to spend some time away from the television and computer. There are much more important things going on in the world than whining about the name picked from a contest.

      And I am sure that the naming of the Enterprise had nothing to do with the fact there are multiple Enterprise Ships in the history of the United States.

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    18. Re:Stupid by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      > And I am sure that the naming of the Enterprise had nothing to do with the fact there are multiple Enterprise Ships in the history of the United States

      You'd be correct. It's common knowledge--or maybe it's not, for a younger generation--that the test shuttle Enterprise was in fact named for the fictional vessel of Star Trek fame. NASA was not even asking the public for suggestions at the time and had another name already chosen.

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  11. Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Less than five minutes? Seriously, it's a better use for my tax dollars than at least 60% of government spending.

    It's not hard to come up with acronyms.

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    1. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's a better use for my tax dollars than at least 60% of government spending

      So you're an optimist, then.

    2. Re:Awesome by agravier · · Score: 1

      But it's 55% harder than to come up with fake statistics.

    3. Re:Awesome by david.given · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's not hard to come up with acronyms.

      You mean, a contrived reduction of nomenclature, yielding mnemonics?

  12. Which made it first place by wiredog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Among all the choices that weren't being driven by bots or ballot stuffers.

    1. Re:Which made it first place by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you don't want people to vote often, perhaps you should produce a ballot box that doesn't permit stuffing. It's not rocket science, there's numerous implementations freely available, and whining about the will of the public doesn't change that. If NASA has proven that certain entries came from certain specific individuals and thus they have condensed their entries, let them announce as much. Otherwise they're just making themselves liars.

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    2. Re:Which made it first place by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Informative

      Otherwise they're just making themselves liars.

      How are they making themselves liars when the page had a big huge disclaimer on it that said they weren't bound by the results?

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    3. Re:Which made it first place by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      How are they making themselves liars when the page had a big huge disclaimer on it that said they weren't bound by the results?

      That made them liars up front when they were soliciting votes which mean nothing. I guess our national elections demonstrated that people would feel like a part of democracy even when the votes aren't counted, though...

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    4. Re:Which made it first place by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      No need for people casting multiple votes. Just let a few thousand people watching TV overrun the few hundred geeks checking the NASA site daily for new polls.

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    5. Re:Which made it first place by eln · · Score: 1

      Seems like NASA learned a valuable lesson about the utter foolishness of using Internet polls to make any kind of even vaguely significant decision. I see nothing wrong with the direction they went, except for the fact that they decided to try and poll the Internet in the first place.

    6. Re:Which made it first place by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked the masses paid the taxes.

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    7. Re:Which made it first place by Chysn · · Score: 5, Funny

      > It's not rocket science

      Is too!

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    8. Re:Which made it first place by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That made them liars up front when they were soliciting votes which mean nothing. I guess our national elections demonstrated that people would feel like a part of democracy even when the votes aren't counted, though...

      You are comparing a non-scientific voting process with no provision to prevent ballot stuffing and which came with a disclaimer saying that the results weren't binding to an actual election? I think you've ventured away from the reservation on this one....

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    9. Re:Which made it first place by drinkypoo · · Score: 0, Troll

      I think you've ventured away from the reservation on this one....

      I've never heard that one before, is it some kind of racist comment?

      I'm not as worked up about this as I am about the national elections, because it was promised to be a mockery from the beginning. And really, it's from NASA, so it was double-guaranteed. They haven't had much credibility since shuttles started blowing up regularly. (Yes, I know that the whole situation is political.)

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    10. Re:Which made it first place by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've never heard that one before, is it some kind of racist comment?

      It's an English idiom, but a less common one. See here.

    11. Re:Which made it first place by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      I've never heard that one before, is it some kind of racist comment?

      Only if you are a card carrying member of the PC police.

      because it was promised to be a mockery from the beginning. And really, it's from NASA, so it was double-guaranteed. They haven't had much credibility since shuttles started blowing up regularly

      I really think you need to get some perspective. "Promised to be a mockery from the beginning"? Then why even bother posting in this article?

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    12. Re:Which made it first place by navyjeff · · Score: 1

      Here's a reference. The second definition is the context I've heard most often.

    13. Re:Which made it first place by c_forq · · Score: 1

      I've never heard that one before, is it some kind of racist comment?

      The saying "go off the reservation" is an American one, and goes back to at least the late 1800's. It used to literally refer to Native Americans going off of their reservations, but later meant to temporarily break political party ranks. Since at least the 1960's it has been basically equivalent to "he's off his rocker".

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    14. Re:Which made it first place by maxume · · Score: 1

      Where did you check?

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    15. Re:Which made it first place by RobertLTux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Umm even if it was "Rocket Science" this would not be a problem for the National Aeronautic and Space Administration

      just pointing this out

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    16. Re:Which made it first place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      off his rocker

      Careful, he doesn't understand idioms: he might think you're talking about killing a bandmate.

    17. Re:Which made it first place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      . It's not rocket science,

      That's obviously the problem. If it were tehy could handle it.

    18. Re:Which made it first place by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      So I was right, it is racist. How quaint! I happen to live in a county full of reservations, and spent some time working at a tribal casino where I learned that the Pomo people (can't speak to anyone else) are pretty much like anybody else in America at this point; they have some funny traditions, and they flock together. Some of the reservations around here are pretty terrible, and others are very nice by modern suburban standards. I just can't understand the mindset you'd have to come from to even use that kind of phrase, though; about the closest thing I can think of is "owned" but perhaps that only seems racist in a country so recently heavily economically invested in slavery of a single race.

      Assuming you are correct about the etymology, saying "off the reservation" is much like if I dominated someone in a video game and then proceeded to call them my nigger. And I will simply not accept any excuses about modern usage having changed, either. They are a bunch of shit.

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    19. Re:Which made it first place by moore.dustin · · Score: 1

      You lost a few posts ago. Give up.

      He is just saying you are batshit insane.

      I agree. +1 Foe.

    20. Re:Which made it first place by drinkypoo · · Score: 0, Troll

      I really think you need to get some perspective. "Promised to be a mockery from the beginning"? Then why even bother posting in this article?

      To provide some badly-needed perspective, obviously. That's why I said it promised to be a mockery from the beginning.

      Just to belabor the fucking point, the same was true both times Bush Jr. was "Elected"; was it best to just ignore that? This is obviously inconsequential in comparison, but it illustrates the point that NASA is not even pretending to be acting in the interests of the public any more. Why? Because listening to the will of the public would have spurred their interest! Not listening to them will only produce further disillusionment, as has been demonstrated by this discussion. It's not just me.

      One more time, NASA jumped the shark a long time ago and this is just further proof, but there are some who don't get it. As you can see, some more of them get it now.

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    21. Re:Which made it first place by mea37 · · Score: 1

      ...???

      Shuttles blowing up "regularly"?

      Forget it folks, WHBT.

    22. Re:Which made it first place by c_forq · · Score: 1

      You are kind of off. The original phrase was used to describe how Native Americans could go off the reservation, commit crimes, and quickly cross back into the reservation with impunity. The phrase was used like "be careful, he is off the reservation" when approaching a Native off of the reservation, because he could rob you and run back across the line to have no fear of consequences. It is kind of reversed from the video-gaming power structure you described.

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    23. Re:Which made it first place by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Just to belabor the fucking point, the same was true both times Bush Jr. was "Elected"; was it best to just ignore that?

      Oh please. The fact that you feel the need to put quotation marks around the word elected suggests that you are operating more on emotion than on logic. I never cared much for GWB but Al Gore deserves more of the blame for losing in 2000 than GWB does. Gore ran a lackluster campaign, failed to win his own state and didn't bother calling for a statewide recount in Florida but instead cherry picked the counties that would best suit him. Count all the votes indeed.....

      As far as 2004 goes, GWB won Ohio by almost 120k votes. The Democrats can whine about fraud all they want but the margin speaks for itself. I've worked as a poll worker for the last eight years in New York State and actually monitored a polling place in Ohio of all places (during the 2008 Presidential primary) and haven't seen a way to rig the system to generate that type of margin. And besides all that, I would place the blame for 2004 squarely at the feet of John Kerry. He ran a shitty campaign and allowed the Republicans to define him.

      GWB had the fortune of running against two morons who didn't have the pulse of the nation or the wherewithal to run a competent campaign. Who knows what would have happened if he had faced a real opponent? The margin in both elections suggests that if the Democrats had found someone competent they might have carried the day.

      This is obviously inconsequential in comparison, but it illustrates the point that NASA is not even pretending to be acting in the interests of the public any more. Why? Because listening to the will of the public would have spurred their interest! Not listening to them will only produce further disillusionment, as has been demonstrated by this discussion. It's not just me.

      The 'interest' of the public would be served by honoring the results of a poll that was laced with ballot stuffing by Firefly fans and a TV personality who unleashed his "nation"? Again, I think you are taking this way too seriously if you think the public is going to be disillusioned with NASA over this......

      One more time, NASA jumped the shark a long time ago and this is just further proof

      NASA jumped the shark because it's a Governmental agency that's held hostage to politics. If NASA was given a real mandate, some proper funding and Congress stayed the hell out of the way (i.e: not trying to direct NASA contracts to their home districts) I think you'd find that there's still some life in the old gal. I'm doubtful this will happen because Obama seems hell bent on slashing NASA's funding even further, but I've been surprised before.....

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      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    24. Re:Which made it first place by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      NASA jumped the shark because it's a Governmental agency that's held hostage to politics. If NASA was given a real mandate, some proper funding and Congress stayed the hell out of the way (i.e: not trying to direct NASA contracts to their home districts) I think you'd find that there's still some life in the old gal.

      Numerous sources inside of NASA have disagreed with you; the NASA that went to the moon was being run by young men, let alone staffed by them. It was a completely different animal from what it is today. Your points are well-taken, except that I don't think that NASA has much of a chance of remaining relevant.

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    25. Re:Which made it first place by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      No they where not soliciting votes but where asking for suggestions. When I got a dog I already had a name for him but I ask for suggestions just in case someone came up with a better one. I liked Serenity myself even if is from a TV show.

      Sad part is if NASA would have said okay we will name the module after Colbert that would have been great. But we all know that some jackass in congress will us it as attempt to push through some bullshit legislation to torpedo NASA and divert funds to more "serous" matters. Like funding one of his pork projects or giving himself a raise.

      By naming the treadmill after Colbert NASA acknowledged the attempt at funny and moved on. There is no evil plot here, just a little fun. Deal with it an lets move on.

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    26. Re:Which made it first place by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      It's not rocket science

      And that's the problem, if it was NASA could manage it easily.

    27. Re:Which made it first place by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Aparently it would. They're still trying to get ARES to fly.

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    28. Re:Which made it first place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not rocket science,

      Which is why NASA didn't bother with it, duh.

    29. Re:Which made it first place by b1ad3runn3r · · Score: 1

      "Rocket Science" isn't rocket science anymore.

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  13. not democracy in action. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is not democracy in action. And I mean that in a positive sense.

    NASA asked for a public vote, and one person campaigned, hard, for a particular result. NASA said, clearly, on the website, that they were not bound by the result of the vote. For a democratic result, more people should have campaigned, more speeches, etc. etc.

    They honored the result by naming a section after Colbert. Good on them.

  14. history repeats itself eh? by rarel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, fellow browncoats, we were on the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one though ;)

  15. Props to NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have to remember that this is an international and very respectable project. I'm glad to see that NASA can accommodate Colbert while still remaining 'classy'

  16. A better decision than most... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To be fair, they DID say from the beginning that they reserved the right to pick a name themselves regardless of the poll's outcome.

    I suspect that Colbert himself played a big role in this decision. He isn't going to drop out of character to say so, but Colbert-the-pundit is a character, and I imagine Colbert-the-person wasn't entirely comfortable saddling an "important" component of the space program (all ISS contempt aside) with the name of a comedy character. Their final decision still gave his character plenty of mileage -- "the treadmill is the really important part, the 'module' is just a box that the treadmill comes in" -- while preserving a bit of what many would perceive as decorum.

    1. Re:A better decision than most... by memorycardfull · · Score: 4, Funny

      To be fair, they DID say from the beginning that they reserved the right to pick a name themselves regardless of the poll's outcome.

      This is exactly the same idea behind the Electoral College.

    2. Re:A better decision than most... by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      Did anyone really expect them to pick 'Colbert'? I know I didn't. I expected they'd make a joke of it, pretty much like they did.

      I did, however, expect them to pick the majority vote one from their own list. I'm really upset with them about this... It shows how detached they are from the public.

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    3. Re:A better decision than most... by Fallingcow · · Score: 1

      Actually, the idea behind the electoral college is that you don't vote for the president--you vote for someone you trust to go find out all the facts and get to know the candidates, then cast their vote for you, since it's patently absurd to expect anything but a popularity contest to result if you make candidates campaign nationally rather than to a handful of electors.

      It's totally different from them picking something regardless of the outcome. As long as the popular elector is the one going, your will was carried out, since that's the only person you're voting for.

      That's the idea, anyway. Practice is that we get the worst of both worlds (popular vote and an elector system) and should just toss it out. It's a pretty good idea, though.

    4. Re:A better decision than most... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Practice is that we get the worst of both worlds (popular vote and an elector system) and should just toss it out. It's a pretty good idea, though.

      No, it really isn't, because human nature is still, you know, what it is.

      Anyway, the founders explicitly stated that the EC was meant to prevent "mob rule", where people just go along with the mob because it's the thing to do.

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    5. Re:A better decision than most... by gzine · · Score: 0

      Seeing what else is currently occuring in the world, YES! Real Pirates the end of Jack Thompson a bankrupt car company offering to make my car payments Increased NSA %$@*CARRIER LOST

    6. Re:A better decision than most... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad the major parties coded a poor implementation of it.

      I'd feel much better if we voted directly on our representatives to the electoral college, who then used their powers of reason to vote. (E.g. caucus-based proportioning, I believe?)

  17. Where was the name suggested from? by Wolvenhaven · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know if they are naming it Tranquility after past missions or was the name suggested from Peter F. Hamilton's Night's Dawn Trilogy?

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    1. Re:Where was the name suggested from? by mikkl666 · · Score: 1

      The Sea of Tranquility on the moon was the landing site of the Apollo 11 mission. I heard the name was chosen to honor that.

  18. bear the honor by RobBebop · · Score: 4, Funny

    one of the Node 3 components will bear the honor: the second ISS treadmill, which will be installed in Node 3, will be named the Combined Operational Load Bearing External Resistance Treadmill.

    You better watch your back Article Summary writer. Colbert doesn't take kindly to your type of folk who honor bears.

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    1. Re:bear the honor by MarkGriz · · Score: 4, Funny

      PUT HIM ON NOTICE!!!

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    2. Re:bear the honor by RobBebop · · Score: 1

      sig:// Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.

      You're walking a fine line, Mr. MarkGriz. Phonetically I'm not sure that would fly.

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    3. Re:bear the honor by Rary · · Score: 4, Funny

      PUT HIM ON NOTICE!!!

      Done.

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    4. Re:bear the honor by TimSSG · · Score: 1

      I have the right to arm bears, if I want to. Tim S Good book: The Right To Arm Bears by Gordon R. Dickson

  19. Booo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should have named the crapper after him instead.

    More suiting

  20. Just like the Alliance by Daswolfen · · Score: 1

    Gos Se NASA....

    Serenity is what the module should be called.

    Liou coe shway duh biao-tze huh hoe-tze duh ur-tze

    We Browncoat's wont forget.

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    1. Re:Just like the Alliance by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Liou coe shway duh biao-tze huh hoe-tze duh ur-tze

      Not enough emphasis on the duh, I think. What you just said is "Give me a cheeseburger and assrape me."

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    2. Re:Just like the Alliance by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Not enough emphasis on the duh, I think. What you just said is "Give me a cheeseburger and assrape me."

      Really? *scribbles into notebook titled "Essential Chinese Phrases"*

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  21. explanation here by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 5, Informative

    On the contest page, NASA has an explanation of why they chose the name 'Tranquility', as well as a little write-up of the COLBERT thing.

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    1. Re:explanation here by Tsunayoshi · · Score: 1

      They named it after something lunar related!!!! I thought they named it after the server from EVE-Online...

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    2. Re:explanation here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is it a contest when the promoter (i.e. gov't) chooses to do it's own thing and justifies it? Sounds more like a shameless publicity stunt.

    3. Re:explanation here by steelfood · · Score: 1

      That patch is absolutely hilarous. The only thing that would've made it even better is if a bear was behind him.

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    4. Re:explanation here by tsing9150 · · Score: 1

      The picture reminds me of hand banana.

  22. As with everything else... by Majestix · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...democracy is thrown out when it suits. Its not like Colbert was an offensive name. I'd be insulted were i Colbert.

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    1. Re:As with everything else... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      ...democracy is thrown out when it suits. Its not like Colbert was an offensive name. I'd be insulted were i Colbert.

      Who knows, it might have been his idea (or his writers') down to the acronym. *I* on the other hand, am insulted. Not surprised (look at the state of national elections in this country) but insulted. And I certainly think the less of NASA for tricking people into thinking that they were listening.

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    2. Re:As with everything else... by rabbit994 · · Score: 1

      Since NASA is US Government institution and United States is Representative Republic, I'm kind of glad democracy was thrown out. I think NASA handled this quite well and only people insulted are people who forget "The Colbert Report" airs on a channel called "Comedy Central".

    3. Re:As with everything else... by Majestix · · Score: 1

      your point is taken but i think NASA would've been better served by going with the popular vote.

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  23. NASA screwed up by viridari · · Score: 1

    This could have been a real PR coup for NASA but they screwed up.

    1. Re:NASA screwed up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of all the posts saing NASA "screwed up", "are liars", etc., I just don't get it. I guess it depends who is talking, but it clearly shows the decrepency I couldn't understand in other threads:

      -- The people who are angry about NASA not giving the space station a /joke/ name have proven their inability to distinguish reality from fantasy. These people cannot distinguish that Colbert is a TV /character/, and thus is a fantasy and /not real/, thereby making naming the space station Colbert an honestly good /joke/. Yet, you are genuinly angry they didn't implement the joke. You must be the same people who defend Obama over everything stupid he's done because the fantasy of him is the focal point for you (where his fantasy is his pandering proaganda during his camopaign.) ("Nevermind all the financial analysts in the world screaming his actions will destroy America, he said it will make the world a magical happy place!")

      -- The people who are content obviously grasp the reality of the situation, had a good laugh from Colberts genuinly funny joke, and will continue their normal life minus all the fantasy of person-group-1 above. They will defend Obama if appropriate, but will not be fanatical and defend him on obviously ridiculous ideas. In other words, they think.

              So, I guess I've finally answered my own question: it depends on whether the individual thinks for him/herself. Anyone else catching this as well?

    2. Re:NASA screwed up by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > This could have been a real PR coup for NASA but they screwed up.

      Yes. They really wimped out by not naming the toilet after him.

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    3. Re:NASA screwed up by viridari · · Score: 1

      You must be the same people who defend Obama over everything stupid he's done because the fantasy of him is the focal point for you

      No, I was the guy at the Raleigh Tax Day Tea Party protest calling for secession and getting armed. Not sure how you could confuse me with a progressive statist.

  24. "Madonna" as the name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if "Madonna" was the write in winner based on a current song, then that's ok too? I respectfully disagree with naming something that represents the USA (and much of the world) as a peaceful undertaking with a snide, semi-humorous TV personality's name when they have nothing at all to do with space exploration or history.

    "Serenity" is similarly unacceptable. Perhaps in another 25 years, it may become worthy, but I don't think so. I loved the show and the movie, BTW.

    I've programmed GN&C for the shuttles using a language named "HAL/S" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL/S on an AP101 computer. BTW, the "HAL" in the name is officially to honor Hal Laning, not some reference to the HAL-9000 from the movie 2001. Of course, whenever a name has multiple meanings and happens to play well with what the engineers like, then it has a greater chance of being used. Snide, sarcastic, humor against any current government isn't the way to win friends inside any US government organization.

  25. Lame by mbrod · · Score: 0

    Would of been a brave move to let it be named Colbert. Which is why I am not surprised they didn't.

  26. Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what a bad name
    http://quin.elbruto.es/

  27. Democracy by MazzThePianoman · · Score: 1

    Nice to know the front lines of human-kind showed at least a little democracy.....

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  28. Browncoats getting the shaft... again! by Ruvim · · Score: 1

    Why oh why? Why not Serenity? /// Can't Stop the Signal!

  29. *sniff* *sniff* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, the smell of political compromise.

    Don't have the fortitude to follow the poll results, nor the fortitude to call Colbert's joke the mockery of science that it is*, so they weasel out of it by naming some subsystem. Weak, but everyone gets to look OK.

    *which doesn't mean it isn't funny.

  30. Disappointment by marco.antonio.costa · · Score: 1

    NASA has shown a blatant disregard for democracy. They should be bombed and invaded by the US military. Like right now.

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  31. 'hot' by Corson · · Score: 0, Troll

    waw, this is really 'important' news.

  32. Pompous military time by Phylarr · · Score: 1

    If you're going to be a big showoff and use military time, you could at least get it right. It was at 23:30 EDT. Next time, just say 11:30PM EDT and don't be a douchebag. Over and out.

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    1. Re:Pompous military time by Leebert · · Score: 1

      Complaining about someones presentation of time when the thing that is in error is the value of the presentation is silly.

      Calling it "military time" is also silly, since it's used way more OUTSIDE of the military than inside, especially in circumstances where time ambiguity may be problematic (Did your nurse administer that medication 13 hours ago, or 1 hour ago?)

    2. Re:Pompous military time by Phylarr · · Score: 1

      Complaining about someones presentation of time when the thing that is in error is the value of the presentation is silly.

      Not if you believe that the presentation contributed to the error, as I do. Everyone who knows who Colbert is knows that the show is on at 11:30PM. Using military time confused the issue and introduced an error.

      Military time is a synonym for 24-hour clock notation. I call it military time because I only use it when dealing with the military. It may not be your preference, but calling it that is neither wrong nor silly.

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    3. Re:Pompous military time by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      If you're going to be a big showoff and use military time, you could at least get it right. It was at 23:30 EDT. Next time, just say 11:30PM EDT and don't be a douchebag. Over and out.

      You might want to take your own advice there, Phylarr. It's either "over", as in "I've said my piece and now it's your turn to talk again." or "Out", as in "Conversation's over, I'm hanging up now.". NEVER both.

    4. Re:Pompous military time by Leebert · · Score: 1

      Not if you believe that the presentation contributed to the error, as I do. Everyone who knows who Colbert is knows that the show is on at 11:30PM.

      Or perhaps the person is in Central time and had a brain fart? Who knows? Why get pissy over the person wanting to use what they consider to be a better system of measurement?

      Heck me for example, I've used 24 hour time for years, it's on every e-mail I get, it's on every *nix computer I work with, it is how I think about time (in fact, I usually have to do a conversion to PM times in my head) I write 24 hour time instinctively, and it might well be the same case with the submitter. (Or, it might be that a /. "editor" inserted it.)

      As for nomenclature, call it what you wish. Interestingly, I will point out that in the US military (and possibly others), the colon is omitted. In standard 24 hour format (ISO 8601 and the like) the colon is present.

  33. There was no clear winner by sabre86 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1) According to the site, 1190437 people submitted votes or named selections. "Colbert" got 230539 and "Serenity" got about 190k. Even combined, the top two choices only got about 35 percent of the vote. Alone, "Colbert" got about 19% of the vote. Even if the poll results were not biased by ballot stuffing, all they make clear is that no matter what choice NASA made, 80 percent of the voters disagreed with it. In no reasonable sense did "Colbert" win an election -- if a candidate was voted into office with a plurality of only 19% of the vote, there would be calls for his head and the system would probably be reformed.

    2)Can we please stop conflating whoever put this survey on with the entirety of NASA? Some small group of people within the organization are responsible for the survey and the name selection. Complain about Bill Gerstenmaier, as it appears that he bears some responsibility for the survey and the naming, or maybe the ISS Project Office.

    3)The rules did make it clear that the contest "winner" wouldn't necessarily be picked for the module name. It even gives reasons why: "NASA reserves the right to ultimately select a name in accordance with the best interests of the agency, its needs, and other considerations. Such name may not necessarily be one which is on the list of voted-on candidate names." The ISS is a big international project, and it's possible that the naming of a module might have a diplomatic effect. Relations with the Russians, our major partners on the station, seem somewhat stressed, maybe even on station. So not selecting what may be viewed as the flippant choice for a module name seems the more diplomatically sound choice.

    --sabre86

    1. Re:There was no clear winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if the poll results were not biased by ballot stuffing, all they make clear is that no matter what choice NASA made, 80 percent of the voters disagreed with it. In no reasonable sense did "Colbert" win an election -- if a candidate was voted into office with a plurality of only 19% of the vote, there would be calls for his head and the system would probably be reformed.

      Considering the number of available choices, what percentage do you think would constitute a legitimate win? If you're thinking of some magic number above 51%, please be advised it's only reasonable to demand that when there's only two choices to pick from. Perhaps you are far too accustomed to the US's two-party system to realize that?

    2. Re:There was no clear winner by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      ...if a candidate was voted into office with a plurality of only 19% of the vote, there would be calls for his head and the system would probably be reformed.

      In many other parts of the world, the idea that you could totally ignore 19% of the vote would cause there to be calls for the for the system to be reformed.

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    3. Re:There was no clear winner by CyberNigma · · Score: 1

      yeah true. it was within the rules, but they probably shouldn't expect a big turnout the next time they ask the public for something or try to garner excitement back into NASA.

      rules may be rules and they may be right, but rules and someone acting within the letter of the rules aren't what will affect public opinion. otherwise we'd all be robots.

      ask anyone who has played a game with a rules lawyer'.

  34. Re:Perfect example by leonardluen · · Score: 1

    indeed...it is exactly how the Electoral College is intended to work.

  35. Pronounciation by Peet42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Combined Operational Load Bearing External Resistance Treadmill"

    The "Treadmill" is silent.

    1. Re:Pronounciation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      In space, no one can hear you run.

    2. Re:Pronounciation by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      "Combined Operational Load Bearing External Resistance Treadmill (COBERT)"

      There must be a "Department of Forced Acronyms" in the government or NASA. There's been too many of these of late.
             

    3. Re:Pronounciation by Kredal · · Score: 1

      Oh you mean the Advanced Combined Replacing Object Name Yearly Methodology? Nope, that doesn't exist. Now, look into this little flashing light....

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    4. Re:Pronounciation by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Jikes! You appear to be qualified to work for them.

  36. incorrect time - correction to OP by ackimdead · · Score: 1

    Colbert Report airs at 2330, not 2230. and I'd like to add my annoyance at Tranquility instead of Serenity. Screw you NASA.

  37. Zeonic Issues by WBDinnigan · · Score: 1

    There was a danger that the astronauts on it would declare independence, then proceed to drop other nodes on South America. Also, one of the treadmills would be painted red and go far too fast for ordinary astronauts to use.

  38. Stuffing the ballot box? by jmcvetta · · Score: 1

    I keep reading comments here that Mr Colbert's viewers "stuffed" the ballot box. By this I assume "voted more than once" is meant. Is there any evidence of this? I have not seen any so far (tho I haven't searched very hard).

    What it looks like to me is that Colbert has a lot of fans, and they all voted to name the node after him. Nothing at all wrong with that, and if there is no evidence of widespread fraud, NASA ought to have accepted the outcome of the vote far more gracefully than they did.

  39. Not free by huckamania · · Score: 1

    It would have been cooler if it was named the Colbert Operational Load Bearing External Resistance Treadmill, but the real issue is that NASA should have to respect the wishes of the people. The rest of the Government should as well, but that is another story.

    Where are the specs and schematics for this thing and why did it cost $6.8 million dollars? Why isn't it running some flavor of Linux or BSD and why is no one commenting on the Diebold machines used for this off year special election? Was this a test run or some sick conditioning scheme for the Government to pre-determine the results? Are the ACLU and the EFF going to do anything about this?

  40. A least NASA had some humor about it. by Hydrian · · Score: 0

    I can see why NASA didn't name it after Colbert. The name would be very culture/time specific. What happens in ten years when Colbert out of the public light and forgotten? I think the treadmill is a wonderful place for Colbert.

    Also Serenity is a bit of a loaded name. What if the MPAA sued for copyright infringement of the name? While I think is wouldn't stick in the courts, it would bring some unwanted attention to NASA. Also with Obama's appointment of many RIAA lawyers.. I don't think it would end well for NASA or the public even if they won.

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  41. Good potential here by cashman73 · · Score: 1

    While I'm still disappointed that NASA didn't go with the second most popular vote-getter, Serenity (which would've been huge for Firefly fans), I think naming a treadmill after Colbert gives him a lot of opportunity. Maybe he can leveredge this in some way to help combat America's obesity problem or something. I mean, how many COLBERT's are there in exercise facilities all across the country? This is HUGE! Maybe he can partner with the Biggest Loser now, or something?

  42. Cowards by Nite_Hawk · · Score: 1

    Bureaucratic cowards. The insipidity of their naming scheme offends me almost as much as their pandering for attention via pseudo democratic online polls.

  43. Well sure they can't... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    If you kill everyone but the robots and the plants first.

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  44. There should be spoiler alerts :( by Cormophyte · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cause I was just about to watch Colbert

    Double :(

  45. future seems bright by amn108 · · Score: 1

    If NASA still has sense of humour left, our future as space-fairing species is secure, as far as I am concerned.

  46. Better start groveling by MadJo · · Score: 1

    I, for one, welcome our new space overlord Stephen Colbert.

    He did say that he would become one if the node would not be named after him.

  47. Colbert's Protest? by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The point is that it is always bad to subvert or exploit the voting process when it is made available. And such actions should ALWAYS be protested.

    I think that Colbert may very well agree with you. As he turns each exploit into a public spectacle, he raises awareness of these problems and brings them into discussion. Raising awareness of these issues is a very good first step to solving them.

    Putting this into another light, what do you think about security researchers who publicly release software exploit information? They have found a weakness in some process, exploited it and then released that information to the public - often receiving acclaim and publicity for their work. Do you protest their acts, as well?

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  48. So, everytime the astronauts use the ... by Jerry · · Score: 2, Funny

    treadmill they will be walking all over Colbert?

    Hilarious! I'll wager he gets a kick out of it, too.

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    1. Re:So, everytime the astronauts use the ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NASA wants to walk all over Colbert! Wonder if they want to silence him in tranquility?

  49. one reason not to name it colbert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A: We have a leak in the Colber node
    B: The what?
    A: The Colber node!
    -- shwuuush!
    B: oh, the Colbert node! sealing!
    -- ISS implodes, A dies.
    B: If only I had seen The Colbert Report...

  50. I believe the missing votes by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    are in the bail out package.

    Basically you can bet that more than one Congressman got annoyed and forced the issue here.

    Remember, we are only permitted a semblance of Democracy, not an actual one. The person or thing with the most votes wins, unless the loser is more PC or has better lawyers

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  51. Good on NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The backup treadmill is a good choice to name Colbert. The backup treadmill is to the ISS in general as Colbert is to life in general. There if you want it, but 99% of the time not necessary or beneficial.

  52. This problem was easily avoided. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All that NASA had to do was take suggestions for names first, then have people vote for the NASA-approved names and use the name that gets the most votes. In that way, the votes would still count for something while NASA simultaneously avoids embarrassment.

    By allowing people to vote on ANY name, then choosing whatever name they wanted, they made the vote pointless and virtually assure that my of the voters won't bother to participate in similar events in the future. Better to choose from names you didn't pick than have no real choice at all.

  53. Who's counting? by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

    Given that 51% of your population generally gets to re-cast "your vote" as if it were theirs (regardless of if it's your entire state in a presidential election or your district for the House), yes, "your vote counts", but the value of that vote ultimately isn't necessarily what you intended. Say you're even vaguely left of center and living in the 6th district of Minnesota, how the hell could you consider that "your vote" counts when Michelle Bachmann is voting on your behalf?

    Yeah, "your vote counts" in choosing your rep, but once that rep is chosen, your vote doesn't mean squat. With proportional systems, ten groups each representing 3% of the population suddenly give voice to 30% that are silenced in the US system -- and then those politicians and parties who are used to fighting only for the 2% margin they need to be first-past-the-post start having to actually listen to the other 98%, regardless of which side of center they find themselves.

  54. flashback... by skathe · · Score: 1

    Apparently they used the "Jeb Bush" vote counting method.

    1. Re:flashback... by longacre · · Score: 1

      NASA does have an awful big operation in Florida, after all.

  55. I wonder... by dfm3 · · Score: 1

    Why even make up an acronym at all? Why can't the government just give something a name and leave it at that?

    1. Re:I wonder... by stdarg · · Score: 1

      Some official said they don't name things after living people. Claiming that COLBERT is an acronym, and not simply Colbert, lets them bypass that I guess.

  56. Oh Please by Petersko · · Score: 1

    "The point is that it is always bad to subvert or exploit the voting process when it is made available."

    So if junior high students from all over the country had banded together and submitted "Shitstained Underwear Storage Unit" as the name, NASA should have just accepted it?

    Hardly. If the suggest name is not in keeping with how they want to present themselves, they SHOULD reject it. Colbert, for all his entertainment value, isn't somebody I'd name anything scientific after.

  57. NASA cannot take a Joke by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think it's great. It shows that NASA can take a joke

    If they could take a joke they would have named the module after him instead of copping out like this. If you are going to have a public poll for the name then you have to be prepared to accept the consequences. If you are not then pick the name yourself.

  58. To late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We named it W.C. after W and Cheney.

  59. I think you misunderstand by snowwrestler · · Score: 1

    The point of this online naming contest (and online naming contests in general) is not to make a democratic and fair decision, but to raise publicity. The greatest hope is to create controversy, since that drives more publicity. Not naming it after Colbert is the best way to continue the controversy. This way he can continue to be mock-outraged about it for weeks.

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  60. COLBERT by BancBoy · · Score: 1

    Combined Operations Lower Body Evacuation/Excretion Receiving Tank?

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  61. Absoslutely by TomDLux · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's what I say!

    It's tacky if people in space have to say, "I'm going to the toilet", into a radio that might be heard by anyone on Earth. Instead, they would be able to say, "I'm going to file a Colbert Report."

    Isn't that better?

  62. How dare they? HOW DARE THEY? by Benfea · · Score: 1

    They didn't name the entire station after Colbert even after he won the competition? Clearly, NASA hates America and wants the bears to win. I will now pray for the salvation of our nation's soul.

  63. NASA couldn't name it Colbert by LrdDimwit · · Score: 1

    Having thought about it a lot, I realized that they simply couldn't name it Colbert. There are thousands of famous people with enough popularity to pull exactly the same stunt; NASA just doesn't have enough things that need naming to go around. And if they give Colbert his node, then the precedent has been set. Would it really be good for NASA to name things the way sports stadiums are named now? Then we would end up with much more embarassing faux pas like having part of the ISS named 'Enron' or 'Madoff'

  64. better than - by meerling · · Score: 1

    This is better than the other idea NASA tossed out, naming a toilet.
    I guess it really is better to be walked on than dumped on...

    But come on! Fricking Tranquility?!?!?
    Sheesh, talk about a 60s cliche name...

  65. I've said it before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and I'll say it again: democracy just doesn't work.

  66. RE: The Practice of Democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Conference Call, WDC, NASA HQ.

    NASA Administrator:

    Gentelmen ... our mission is SCIENCE. We are NOT in the practice of DEMOCRACY!

    Nor are we in the business to preserve DEMOCRACY!

    This is MY F*CK'N SPACE STATION ... and I will NAME it what I F*CK'N WANT ... and if that is a PROBLEM ... then I'll personally call [SAC] to set up a FIRST STRIKE to whipe 100 MILLION of your worthless people's ASSES off the face of the Earth ... AM I CLEAR.

  67. Eve Online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My first thought when you put Tranquility and space together is Eve Online. That's the server name.