Man, it's impossible trying to study notes off the computer. I've tried this. You don't absorb information at all.
I do think it's a huge waste when you take 10 courses in a year and print out mounds of paper. But there is recycling. And universities/colleges obviously don't give a flying f*&K ogg
Depends how you write your code. When you are programming FPGA's you just don't come prancing in with a comp. sci. degree ready to be the engineers hero.
I think the morons you work with have blemished the engineer name. I've seen plenty of engineers who should be working in Alaska programming calculators. We're not all good and we're not all bad. But man do comp. sci. people have egos. super_ogg
In my school, besides dealing with the mound of math classes and non-software related classes, we had to take some computer science courses, and the normal engineer courses. In all, I took about 5 computer science courses. The computer Engineering program consisted of hardware and software courses.
The software courses I took were ones such as Telecommunication Networks(java programming), Algorithms(algorithmic programming), System Principles Engineering(lots of java). There are similar programs in the comptuer science but they do not go into the detail the engineer courses go into. We also had the low level languages(VHDL, assembly) and this is where the men from mice are separated. Assembly language is not like any other language and we have to take about 4 courses with highly involved assembly programming. Time consuming... the work involved still separates engineeing from programmers. I think the term Software Engineer' is abused and I wish people could be put in the place of an engineer to know why we make such a fuss about it.
Sorry, this will be an age old discussion for sure but the bottom line is that the education and training involved with becoming an engineer surpasses any chance of computer scientists being engineers.
Yah, they get the shaft like engineers there is a scale involved here.
Computer Science: Go through school, classes aren't too bad. Can get by without having to do major grinding work. The pay is relatively good but you take an easier way out. The trade off, not as much respect and taking slave jobs(not all, but some).
Engineers: Take a beating during school, people warn you that you will get a well paid jobs, people will appreciate your work a little more but you get prepared for the grueling workforce people have told you about. In the end, get paid well, you are someone's slave but with more credit due for your work because of your background education.
I've taken comp. sci. courses. The courese are relatively easy and the work load is a lot less. There is a reason why engineers are engineers. If you are a computer science guy, and don't believe me, enroll in engineering for a year.
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I guess he is trying to make up for lost revenue on the two previous shitty movies.
Bring back Jim Henson, and he would make a mil.
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Man, it's impossible trying to study notes off the computer. I've tried this. You don't absorb information at all.
I do think it's a huge waste when you take 10 courses in a year and print out mounds of paper. But there is recycling. And universities/colleges obviously don't give a flying f*&K
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Obviously you don't go to college/university where all the notes are based off the web and printing is a must.
Oh to be in your glorious position.
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Depends how you write your code. When you are programming FPGA's you just don't come prancing in with a comp. sci. degree ready to be the engineers hero.
I think the morons you work with have blemished the engineer name. I've seen plenty of engineers who should be working in Alaska programming calculators. We're not all good and we're not all bad. But man do comp. sci. people have egos.
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Yes, I would agree that VHDL is high level. But you have to be able to see the logic in hardware. Something Comp. Sci. people can't see. super_ogg
In my school, besides dealing with the mound of math classes and non-software related classes, we had to take some computer science courses, and the normal engineer courses. In all, I took about 5 computer science courses. The computer Engineering program consisted of hardware and software courses. The software courses I took were ones such as Telecommunication Networks(java programming), Algorithms(algorithmic programming), System Principles Engineering(lots of java). There are similar programs in the comptuer science but they do not go into the detail the engineer courses go into. We also had the low level languages(VHDL, assembly) and this is where the men from mice are separated. Assembly language is not like any other language and we have to take about 4 courses with highly involved assembly programming. Time consuming... the work involved still separates engineeing from programmers. I think the term Software Engineer' is abused and I wish people could be put in the place of an engineer to know why we make such a fuss about it.
Sorry, this will be an age old discussion for sure but the bottom line is that the education and training involved with becoming an engineer surpasses any chance of computer scientists being engineers. Yah, they get the shaft like engineers there is a scale involved here. Computer Science: Go through school, classes aren't too bad. Can get by without having to do major grinding work. The pay is relatively good but you take an easier way out. The trade off, not as much respect and taking slave jobs(not all, but some). Engineers: Take a beating during school, people warn you that you will get a well paid jobs, people will appreciate your work a little more but you get prepared for the grueling workforce people have told you about. In the end, get paid well, you are someone's slave but with more credit due for your work because of your background education. I've taken comp. sci. courses. The courese are relatively easy and the work load is a lot less. There is a reason why engineers are engineers. If you are a computer science guy, and don't believe me, enroll in engineering for a year. super_ogg