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Star Wars Episode III: Behind the Scenes Webcam

securitas writes "Soon Star Wars behind-the-scenes webcam goes live when shooting for Episode III begins in Australia. 'The webcam will be moved every day, shooting live for 12 hours and then replaying in a loop while the cast is sleeping.' Of course it's only free until next week when you will have to join StarWars.com's newly relaunched site to view the cam as part of a package of services that includes online chats, outtakes and deleted scenes." I'm not sure if it's worth $20, but it's worth something....

319 comments

  1. but they're wild!!!! by sweeney37 · · Score: 5, Funny

    You thought all of your favorite Star Wars characters were wild before, but now they're even wilder!! Presenting Star Wars Gone Wild!!!

    See what happens when the cameras shut off, but the webcam stays on!! Exposed!! Uncensored!!!

    Natalie Portman, Jar Jar Binks, and George Lucas, like you've never seen them before!!

    All this for $19.95, and if you order now you'll also get Lord of the Rings: Doggy Style!! See what happens when we sent Snoop Dogg out with the Hobbits, it's steamy!!!

    Call NOW!!!

    Mike

    1. Re:but they're wild!!!! by laughing_badger · · Score: 5, Funny
      See what happens when the cameras shut off, but the webcam stays on!

      FINALLY, the answer to who shoots first!

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    2. Re:but they're wild!!!! by Pirogoeth · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hear that those jawas are the worst...

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    3. Re:but they're wild!!!! by e2d2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You laugh but I saw Star Wars: Episode II at an IMAX theatre. I got three words for you - twenty foot nipples.

    4. Re:but they're wild!!!! by CGP314 · · Score: 1

      You posted this comment in the last story. If you can work it into the next one, I'll be impressed.

    5. Re:but they're wild!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      actually that post wasn't me, I was rather pissed when I saw someone stole my idea. 30 minutes after I orginally posted it too.

      Bleh.

      Mike

    6. Re:but they're wild!!!! by artemis67 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You laugh but I saw Star Wars: Episode II at an IMAX theatre. I got three words for you - twenty foot nipples.

      Gah! Who wants to see Jar Jar's 20 foot nipples?

    7. Re:but they're wild!!!! by CGP314 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Damn karma whores.

  2. Who is planning on paying for this? by alen · · Score: 4, Funny

    Only George Lucas would even think of making fans pay for advertising.

    1. Re:Who is planning on paying for this? by s20451 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only fanboys would actualy pay for it, but there seems to be no shortage of those. Good business case.

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    2. Re:Who is planning on paying for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably the same people that would subsribe to Slashdot. Fanboys, zealots, what's the difference?

    3. Re:Who is planning on paying for this? by super_ogg · · Score: 1

      I guess he is trying to make up for lost revenue on the two previous shitty movies.

      Bring back Jim Henson, and he would make a mil.
      ogg

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  3. Its worth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    George Lucas is a greedy, fat old man who is hell-bent on ripping off his fans (the new and the old ones alike).

    1. Re:Its worth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey watch it with the 'old' crack ya cheeky pup

    2. Re:Its worth by Ese+L0C0 · · Score: 1
      I don't think he is greedy...He just took a good idea and ran with it...I mean he is only worth $2 billion dollars...(http://www.time.com/time/digital/digita l50/29.html)

      Running with good ideas...hmm...sounds like someone else... (http://www.time.com/time/digital/cyberelite/01.ht ml)

      And look he is even younger than Lucas....

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    3. Re:Its worth by th3space · · Score: 1

      or these might work:
      BG: time 1
      GL: time 2

      just thought I'd help you out with those (they didn't work for me).

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    4. Re:Its worth by tmark · · Score: 4, Informative

      WTF are you talking about ? Just because some guy offers some service which people CAN CHOOSE to subscribe to, you say he's ripping people off ? How do you know it's a ripoff ? How can you say it's a ripoff when at this very site people are posting links about the latest LOTR trailer, or information about the creation of the Matrix, or trading every last bit of anime trivia and treating these events like some major important news ? Against this backdrop, and the reality that there are people out there willing to pay for 24-h cartoon channels and anime channels and fishing channels, who's NOT to say that there aren't some serious Star Wars fans (I'm not one of them) who'd be more than happy to pay the 20 bucks ? If they want to pay it, who is anyone else to say they're being ripped off ?

    5. Re:Its worth by echucker · · Score: 1

      All that bandwidth to run the webcamera ain't free......

    6. Re:Its worth by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      If they want to pay it, who is anyone else to say they're being ripped off ?

      Anyone who lives in a country with free speech. Duhhhh!

      Max

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    7. Re:Its worth by super_ogg · · Score: 1

      You might be right with respect to "if you like it, it's worth your money". That being, it's not a rip-off to the die hard fans.

      But come one, I bet it costs Lucas peanuts to put up/move that webcam around and send out emails of 'never-seen-before' pics.

      I just can't see paying for something, that in essence, probably doesn't cost much to implement.

      Get my point?
      ogg

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    8. Re:Its worth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen.

      Who gives a crap anyway. Last two movies were worthless. Someone needs to put Lucas down (It's the only humane thing to do).

    9. Re:Its worth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Quoth the blockhead:
      How do you know it's a ripoff ?
      uhh... did you not see the Phantom Plot in the theater, man? Did you fail to witness the mess that was Attack of the Fan-Gougers????
      Suckers may very well be lining up to give to Lucas' evil empire, but underneath it's the same old circus scam that hoses thousands every year - the Man Eating Chicken sideshow is just another Joe Blow chowing on his KFC, for crying out loud.

      Yeah, my dad actually paid money to see the Man Eating Chicken at a carnival once.. he's never been the same since. Kinda like me paying for the Phantom Piece of Shit.
  4. What it's worth... by EpsCylonB · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm not sure if it's worth $20, but it's worth something....

    Ignoring ?

    1. Re:What it's worth... by curtisk · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Ignoring ?

      Perfect response!

      Lucas , you have to give him credit for more -or-less starting(or refining) the whole mass-merchandising thing, but its so spun out of control and just tired

      This scam may have nothing to do with him, but its unlikely. How many more "new editions" of Episode 1-5 releases are we gonna see after 6 comes out on DVD....with new,new,new deleted never before seen footage or something.

      But, if you're willing to pay, thats your loss... besides, Star Wars was cool when I was a kid, yeah the effects are slick, but the movies themselves are truly pretty weak, even the old ones, but again I was a KID then.

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    2. Re:What it's worth... by The+Wooden+Badger · · Score: 1
      I'll echo that one. Ignore it!!! PLEASE!!!

      I don't know why youd want to see a webcam of the filming of episode iii. There's gonna be spartan sets because everything is gonna be CG. You'll only get to see about a quarter of the characters because everything is gonna be CG. The only reason to watch it is to give a preliminary MST3K treatment to it. I'm already including it on my list of biggest disappointments in movies.

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    3. Re:What it's worth... by Xerithane · · Score: 1

      Lucas , you have to give him credit for more -or-less starting(or refining) the whole mass-merchandising thing, but its so spun out of control and just tired

      Actually it's completely out of Space Balls. That's the only thing I can think of.

      "We're looking at now, sir."

      Then the Yogurt merchandizing hall...

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    4. Re:What it's worth... by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      Ah, but I bet the George Lucas toilet paper would sell quite well.

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  5. Could you figure out the plot? by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It could be worth a lot for the webcam if some really dedicated viewer is able to piece together the plot, or other spoiling elements. Although you could just wait for the DVD, which will probably have all the thousands of hours of webcam footage included.

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    1. Re:Could you figure out the plot? by Eric+Ass+Raymond · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's unlikely since even the actors had hard time understanding the plot in Eps. I and II. Why? Because of the excessive use of blue/green/whatever screens during filming.

    2. Re:Could you figure out the plot? by gosand · · Score: 4, Funny
      It could be worth a lot for the webcam if some really dedicated viewer is able to piece together the plot, or other spoiling elements. Although you could just wait for the DVD, which will probably have all the thousands of hours of webcam footage included.

      I am still trying to piece together the plot from that highly complex, mind-bending story called Attack of the Clones.

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    3. Re:Could you figure out the plot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a shame I don't have moderator points today... you'd get a +inf funny from me.

      making some time while the 2 minute posting limit passes...

      looks like it...

    4. Re:Could you figure out the plot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although you could just wait for the DVD, which will probably have all the thousands of hours of webcam footage included.

      Only the third Platinium Directors Edition Special Release Box Set with the Jar Jar Binks Is Dead stickers included. The other 78 versions of the DVD will have a Flash animation of George Lucus doing a happy dance on his piles of cash.

    5. Re:Could you figure out the plot? by Captain+Rotundo · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think most every one had trouble understanding the plot of Attack of The Clones, for no reason other than its mind numbing stupidity.

    6. Re:Could you figure out the plot? by I+am+Jack's+username · · Score: 4, Informative
      Nope, from TFA:
      behind-the-scenes footage [...] no audio [...] "Star Wars" buffs won't be treated to actual scenes being shot, but they probably will watch Darth Vader eating in the cafeteria, space-station sets getting hammered into place and makeup artists touching up the face of Obi-Wan Kenobi. [...] There are a lot of things we can do with that webcam and not spoil the excitement of the film for fans
    7. Re:Could you figure out the plot? by giminy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Plot. Hm. Let me take a guess. *Spoiler warning*.

      Anakin has two kids with Amadala. She think he's repulsive in his mechanical suit though, and runs away. Anakin is heartbroken and becomes Vader. He and palpatine take over the empire. The rebellion forms. It gets mostly crushed somehow, before it even gets off the ground. Darkness ensues. Cue the lights and closing credits.

      I haven't watched the last two though, so I could be wrong.

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    8. Re:Could you figure out the plot? by pmz · · Score: 1

      Darth Vader eating in the cafeteria

      The Vader-on-the-can cam: only on Fox!

    9. Re:Could you figure out the plot? by fobbman · · Score: 1

      I've seen one and two on the big screen, and I couldn't discern a plot. What makes you think that someone will be able to do it over a webcam?

    10. Re:Could you figure out the plot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      what???

      Darth Vader's in the movie?!?!

      aaarrrrgh, now you've RUINED IT

    11. Re:Could you figure out the plot? by MojoMonkey · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the scenes are shot complete out of order. Without a frame of reference for what took place first, it would really be difficult for an outside viewer (or even the actors) to figure out the order of the scenes and the plot of the movie.

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    12. Re:Could you figure out the plot? by Mr.+Neutron · · Score: 3, Funny
      I think TPM should be renamed Star Wars: Reggie White (for the extensive and impressive use of knee-jerk racial stereotypes). Meanwhile, AOTC should be renamed Star Wars: Dawson's Creek (no explanation needed). What is there to understand about the plot of either of those?

      If I have extrapolated correctly, the third movie should involve football AND corny teen romance, in space. I'm thinking something along the line of Star Wars: Varsity Blues.

      HEY! Does this mean we get to see Natalie Portman wearing a whipped cream bikini???? If so, it will make the whole, otherwise painful experience worthwhile.

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    13. Re:Could you figure out the plot? by orcus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nah,

      Next movie we get to see Anakin voted off Jedi Island...

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    14. Re:Could you figure out the plot? by mykepredko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is why when people complain about the plots of the prequels, I take them with a grain of salt. We know what's going to happen - I doubt that there are going to be any great surprises.

      It's Saturday afternoon kids' fare - so don't worry about the story, just sit back and be amazed by the effects.

      myke

    15. Re:Could you figure out the plot? by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      Then again, somehow I bet the actors have actually read the script in it's entirety. At least once.

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    16. Re:Could you figure out the plot? by Herr_Nightingale · · Score: 1
      There are a lot of things we can do with that webcam and not spoil the excitement of the film for fans
      hey, they misspelled "excrement."
  6. Price? by Bame+Flait · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I'm not sure if it's worth $20, but it's worth something....

    I'm pretty sure I'd rather punch myself repeatedly in the nuts than subscribe to this - or see the movie for that matter.

    1. Re:Price? by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Funny

      Where do we subscribe to see you do this ?

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    2. Re:Price? by dr_dank · · Score: 1

      It'll be one hell of an easter egg on the DVD release.

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    3. Re:Price? by JPelorat · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sort of like a Jedi Jackass clip.

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    4. Re:Price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd pay to see that too... but I suggest you kick yourself in the nuts repeatedly doing one of them crazy Russian dances. In Soviet... nevermind.

  7. Just $20? by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 5, Funny

    News just in George Lucas has plans to introduce a special edition webcam for only 10 bucks more.

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    1. Re:Just $20? by Surak · · Score: 2, Funny

      THX-certified, of course.

    2. Re:Just $20? by sharkey · · Score: 4, Funny
      THX-certified, of course.

      No, the THX-certified Edition of the webcam is the next iteration AFTER the Special Edition, and BEFORE the Collectors Edition with the Silver frame around the cam window.

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    3. Re:Just $20? by Dephex+Twin · · Score: 1

      Yes, and the special edition version will have black bars on the top and bottom 10% of the viewing area.

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  8. Big Brother... by inf0rmer · · Score: 2, Funny

    If it's like the reality TV show Big Brother count me out!

    1. Re:Big Brother... by AdEbh · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing you're from the US, where you had the stabbing or something (I don't really know). In Australia we are into our 3rd series now. They have the regular, edited show where they show the highlights of the day. Then they have BIG BROTHER LIVE between 11pm and 1am on weeknights. I discovered this while flipping between channels at about 12:45am. As you can imagine this is the most boring TV ever conceived. It's just a static shot of a bunch of people sleeping. Because it is dark so the image quality is not that good either. "Paint drying" & "grass growing" are about the only contenders int the in riveting TV stakes.

    2. Re:Big Brother... by GSVNoFixedAbode · · Score: 1

      Now that's got potential - who wants to vote Obi Wan off the set in the first week?

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  9. Will there be... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


    Will there be an action figure for the guy who moves the webcam?

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    1. Re:Will there be... by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 2, Funny

      In stores now!

      Not a guy but a girl would you believe?

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  10. Hmmmm... by Vengeance · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pay to watch them shooting a movie I probably won't bother bringing myself to pay to see?

    Not bloody likely.

    Star Wars was hot in the '70s, cool in the '80s, retro in the '90s, and turned into a joke by the Phantom Menace. When I first saw that they were setting up a webcam, I thought it was mildly interesting. The pay thing is the final proof I needed though, that the SW franchise has had enough of my attention.

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    1. Re: Hmmmm... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      > Star Wars was hot in the '70s, cool in the '80s, retro in the '90s, and turned into a joke by the Phantom Menace. When I first saw that they were setting up a webcam, I thought it was mildly interesting.

      You did???

      > The pay thing is the final proof I needed though, that the SW franchise has had enough of my attention.

      Ah, TPM did that for me. I found it mildly interesting, but not enough to pull me back for more.

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    2. Re: Hmmmm... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Interesting


      > Pay to watch them shooting a movie I probably won't bother bringing myself to pay to see? Not bloody likely.

      It would be nice to have a poll to find out how many /.ers actually skipped AotC.

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    3. Re: Hmmmm... by tuffy · · Score: 1
      It would be nice to have a poll to find out how many /.ers actually skipped AotC.

      I loved the first two, but the third seemed to slide - which was unfortunate for the end of the trilogy. Then, I bought into the Lucas hype machine, watched the trailer for TPM a zillion times like everyone else, and was ultimately disappointed. So, I skipped TPM on disc, skipped AotC in the theater and on disc, and don't care much about Ep3 at all - since I'll likely wind up skipping that too.

      It seems the best trilogies are coming out of New Zealand nowadays...

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    4. Re: Hmmmm... by mlush · · Score: 1
      It would be nice to have a poll to find out how many /.ers actually skipped AotC.

      I waited to get out on DVD.... from the library (a good deal you can take out a DVD for a week for £2.20 more than enough time to poke round all the extras watch it again etc)

      It went back the next day :-(

    5. Re:Hmmmm... by Timesprout · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think this is a very very clever way of generating even more revenue from a movie, not to mention getting the cash up front to offset production costs.

      I would imagine we can expect to see a lot more of this shortly on different movie sets. The sad fact is that a lot of people are prepared to pay for it to get a look at their 'heroes' and what happens on the set.

      It will ony be a question of time before the 'acting' extends to the web cam and we can have staged scenes to generate interest in the movie so that the actual production becomes a soap opera in itself.

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    6. Re: Hmmmm... by drudd · · Score: 1

      I skipped it in the theatres and watched it on someone else's dvd copy.

      No money from me, Mr. Lucas, until you get yourself a writer.

      Doug

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    7. Re: Hmmmm... by Migrant+Programmer · · Score: 1

      You have to pay to borrow items from your library???

      That's not how it works in North America..

      BTW, I haven't seen AotC, and I don't have any plans to do so. I like the original trilogy, but someone dragged me to Episode I and that was quite enough garbage for me, thanks.

    8. Re: Hmmmm... by dupper · · Score: 1
      Attack of the Clones:

      () Saw it, liked it
      () Saw it, hated it
      () Didn't see it, hated it
      () Saw it, but told everyone I didn't, because liking things isn't cool

    9. Re: Hmmmm... by mlush · · Score: 1
      You have to pay to borrow items from your library???

      Only audio/video, the library still has to pay royalties and I think Blockbuster would complain if it was free

    10. Re: Hmmmm... by Migrant+Programmer · · Score: 1

      I don't know of any library in Canada that charges rental fees for A/V items.. why would the library have to pay royalties? They don't pay them for books, and book stores don't complain about libraries (publically, anyway).

      The only charges here are for late or lost items. I'm sorry for you chaps!

      The selection at libraries tends to be smaller than that of rental places, however they have more of the classics. See Waterloo Public Library's collection for an example.

  11. Live Webcam? by LordYUK · · Score: 3, Funny

    Whats the point of watching a programmer digitally animate characters for 12 hours a day exactly?

    Or is this for the 12 minutes of actual real live people footage we get.

    Ep 3 will suck just like Ep 1 and 2. My only hope is that Jar Jar remains a senator until Ep 4...

    "But what of the Imperial Senate?"
    "The Emperor has dissolved it permanently"

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    1. Re:Live Webcam? by ddilling · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Dissolved. Like in a gigantic vat of bubbling acid.

      Now THAT is what I call 'worth the price of admission'.

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    2. Re:Live Webcam? by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      My only hope is that Jar Jar remains a senator until Ep 4...

      You'll be pleased to know that Jar Jar doesn't even show up in Episode 4...

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    3. Re:Live Webcam? by msuzio · · Score: 1

      >You'll be pleased to know that Jar Jar doesn't even
      > show up in Episode 4...

      Oh yeah? Wait for the super-special maximum DVD edition. Lucas will insist he *always* envisioned 'A New Hope' with Jar Jar, but only now are special effects up to his vision. Now we'll finally get to see the pivotal scene where Jar Jar steals the plans to the Death Star. :-)

    4. Re:Live Webcam? by super_ogg · · Score: 1

      Couldn't have said it better myself. Agreed LordYUK.
      ogg

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    5. Re:Live Webcam? by Kredal · · Score: 1

      Hey, I reply to sigs, and I'm not a... er, wait.

      BTW, new Voyager book out this month... called "Homecoming". I only mention it because of your nick here.

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  12. Star Wars III on eBay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic


    Star Wars III on eBay

    An excerpt from the listing:
    "....Unfortunately, its creators were unable to forsee the events of September 11, 2001, and this crowning achievement of the Enlightenment was placed in an undeclared, de facto state of suspension - where it has remained to this day...."

  13. Hmmm.. by Verteiron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know, after viewing both The Phantom Plot and Attack of the Special Effects, I haven't the faintest desire to spend a dime on anything involved with Star Wars anymore? Lucas has killed it... it's gone.

    I seriously doubt I'll be seeing episode 3, much less spending time/money watching a "behind the scenes" webcam that you know is going to be scripted and rigged just like all "Behind the Scenes" specials are.

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    1. Re:Hmmm.. by the+gnat · · Score: 3, Funny

      I haven't the faintest desire to spend a dime on anything involved with Star Wars anymore

      I'll go for the groovy special effects, and nothing else. I thought Attack of the Clones was really cool when I saw it in theaters three times, cool enough to buy on DVD. Oops. I don't go to the movies drunk any more.

    2. Re:Hmmm.. by Pxtl · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm sorry the Mario^H^H^H^H^H Foundry scene was just the most childish insult to the audience I'd ever seen. I was half expecting to see Anikin start jumping on Goombas.

    3. Re:Hmmm.. by the+gnat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sorry the Mario^H^H^H^H^H Foundry scene was just the most childish insult to the audience I'd ever seen.

      One reviewer compared it (unfavorably) to the pie-machine scene in Chicken Run. A good example of how effects can't make up for plot - Aardman does more with clay than ILM can with thousands of computers.

    4. Re:Hmmm.. by Angry+Toad · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Too right. It's all about the story. Wish I had some mod points left, I'd give them to you.

    5. Re:Hmmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'm sorry Anakin but our princess is in another castle...

      oh come on, someone had to say it...

    6. Re:Hmmm.. by malducin · · Score: 1

      Sheez I guess you are one of those people that think that computers have a button "render and animate dinosaur" right. What is ILM's fault about the story content on the films they work on. They get contracted and have no say on story. Would the food caterer, gips or electricians in that sense be also responsible for the story?

      Computers are just tools, just like pencils and clay. The artists at Aardman, ILM, Pixar and all other places arereally taleneted people that work on different media. Would you discount photographic art as cheating just because the photographer doesn't use a brush and canvas?

    7. Re:Hmmm.. by the+gnat · · Score: 1

      What is ILM's fault about the story content on the films they work on.

      You're forgetting that ILM is essentially Lucas's baby. I don't mean to pick on them in particular, but many recent movies that involved heavy use of effects have involved extremely close collaboration between the computer animators and the movie people, to the point that they're really indistinguishable. Final Fantasy, LOTR, Matrix Reloaded, any Pixar film depends on the geeks being just as artistic as everyone else. I realize that ILM mostly does contract work but in this case I think they're really just an extension of Lucas.

      As far as computers as tools - you're right, but my point is that high-tech effects are not necessarily better. Aardman's movies are deliberately cartoonish but work well in spite of this. Lucas tried to use computer effects in place of live scene and plot, and failed. He's no longer using effects in the service of narrative advancement - now they're just supposed to impress us with ILM's technical wizardry. The Matrix movies do this too, but their eye-candy scenes are (in my opinion) actually impressive and more innovative.

      I guess a better comparison would be to the original movies, where spaceship models and painted-in laser beams got the job done far better than ILM's computer people did in TPM and AOTC.

  14. you too can buy the sweat from G.Lucas's armits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny


    You too can bid on these fine products

    Ashtray complete with butts
    Genuine floor sweepings from the set
    Plastic cups (as used by a brother of someone who worked there)
    Fluff from the set designers wardrobe

    stupidity, the most successful export of USA (see George Bush for details)

  15. Let me guess.... by stephenry · · Score: 4, Funny

    Let me guess, next year they'll be releasing a digitally enhanced DVD of the webcam recording.

    Steve

    1. Re:Let me guess.... by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Funny

      And of course a subscription on a webcam recording showing the production of the digitally enhanced DVD that contains the original web cam recording of the movie.

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  16. Meta-movies by grouchyDude · · Score: 2, Funny
    OK, so now we can pay more than the price of the movie to watch the movie being made, without the benefit of all that editing and such that makes the movie so "good" (hypothetically). This is just nuts!


    We can take this one more step meta and pay $40 to watch the guys installing the web cam. Maybe $80 to watch the guys filming the guys who are installing the webcam?


    Eventually, we'll be paying oodles to watch ourselves watching.

    1. Re:Meta-movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At this rate, I won't be able to afford sitting around and doing nothing.

  17. 12 hours? by hackwrench · · Score: 5, Funny

    They sleep for 12 hours? Wow!

    1. Re:12 hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you got paid what George Lucas does you would too

    2. Re:12 hours? by sharkey · · Score: 1
      They sleep for 12 hours?

      You would too if you had to ruthlessly clamp down on all your acting ability for 12 hours straight, to keep it from being evident on film.

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  18. Spend Your Money You Will, Yes. by AnswerIs42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Greed is the path to the dark side.

    1. Re:Spend Your Money You Will, Yes. by benwb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Shouldn't that be "Path to the dark side, greed is"

    2. Re:Spend Your Money You Will, Yes. by McWilde · · Score: 1

      Try telling George Lucas that.

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    3. Re:Spend Your Money You Will, Yes. by greenhide · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Shouldn't that be "Path to the dark side, greed is"

      No.

      Yoda didn't invert *all* of his sentences, which is something the script writers in I and II should have noticed. The lines in those episodes sound as if someone wrote a bunch of bland sentences and inverted them. His lines in Empire and Return of the Jedi, OTOH, reflected genuinely the concept of a character who is approaching English (or whatever their "common tongue" really is -- linguistics is rarely addressed in the Star Wars saga) as a second language.

      This is pretty much the only Yoda quote in the movies that sounds authentic, probably because it was not artificial constructed:

      "Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to blah blah blah [Yeah, I could look up the exact quote, but bored am I]"

      So the original quote is correct. Compare it to this monster (in Episode II):
      "Threatened the very Republic is, if involved the Sith are."

      No no no no no no no! Horrible, horrible! If I were Lucas at this point, this is what would have happened:

      Screenwriter: Ah! My Lord Lucas! I have written the Yoda dialogue and I feel that -- gurk gurk gurk --

      Lucas: You have failed me for the last time.

      And then...

      Lucas: Ah! My dear Star Wars fan! I am near complete in issuing the original episode on DVD, special edition of course, and very soon -- ack ack ack

      Fan: You have failed us for the last time, Lucas. Director Smith!

      Kevin: Yes my lord.

      Fan: Make ready to release all three initial episodes on DVD. In their original format. Greedo must not shoot first.

      Kevin: Thank you, Star Wars fan.

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    4. Re:Spend Your Money You Will, Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get a life...

    5. Re:Spend Your Money You Will, Yes. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      "Yoda didn't invert *all* of his sentences, which is something the script writers in I and II should have noticed. The lines in those episodes sound as if someone wrote a bunch of bland sentences and inverted them. His lines in Empire and Return of the Jedi, OTOH, reflected genuinely the concept of a character who is approaching English (or whatever their "common tongue" really is -- linguistics is rarely addressed in the Star Wars saga) as a second language."

      That always had me wondering. You would think that as an 800(?) year old guy who is supposed to be really smart (he was CEO of the Jedi's for a long time after all), and is surrounded by native speakers all the time, he'd speak English a little bit better than that. Flawed by the dark side his grammar is!

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    6. Re:Spend Your Money You Will, Yes. by greenhide · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm guessing he didn't start speaking "English" until he was in his early hundreds. If you don't learn a language early on, even if you're smart your brain doesn't process it in the same way you would if you were born into the language. At his advanced age, it wouldn't be surprising that he never picked up the language. Besides, I think it's supposed to reflect the way he thinks -- look at Karate Kid for a similar form of speaking from Mr. Miyagi.

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    7. Re:Spend Your Money You Will, Yes. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      He must have learned English when he was young, since Jedis seemingly get started on their training at a very young age. Notice how Yoda is always whining whenever a candidate for Jedi traineeship is brought before him: "Too old he is, too old to begin the training".

      There's another thing though: he has always been strong in the Force, and because of that others may have been afraid to correct him. We sometimes get memo's from senior management with incredible spelling and grammar mistakes in them, but I'm not going to be the one to reply: "Please have your memo proofread the next time before you send it, your English stinks!".

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    8. Re:Spend Your Money You Will, Yes. by trashme · · Score: 1
      Yoda didn't invert *all* of his sentences, which is something the script writers in I and II should have noticed. The lines in those episodes sound as if someone wrote a bunch of bland sentences and inverted them. His lines in Empire and Return of the Jedi, OTOH, reflected genuinely the concept of a character who is approaching English (or whatever their "common tongue" really is -- linguistics is rarely addressed in the Star Wars saga) as a second language.
      Do you really believe that the writiers of the first Star Wars movies put in the thought and the effort to study linguistics? The original movies are a fun coming of age story. But dialog is not their strong point. How many lines from those movies are actually witty or creative?
    9. Re:Spend Your Money You Will, Yes. by Achoi77 · · Score: 1
      He must have learned English when he was young...

      Not necessarily. Who knows if he was trained as a Jedi by a Common (is it Common? or just English?) speaking master, hundreds of years ago. And I don't think people were afraid to correct him, he's a freakin alien! of course English (or Common?) isn't going to be his native tongue. It's like my Engineering teachers from India, or my Comp Sci professors from China, I'm not going to correct them on their bad English, cause I can understand enough to know what they are trying to say. It is annoying sometimes, but whatever.

    10. Re:Spend Your Money You Will, Yes. by greenhide · · Score: 1

      Do you really believe that the writiers of the first Star Wars movies put in the thought and the effort to study linguistics?

      No, which is exactly what I was saying.

      I don't know about "creative" or "witty", but a great number of the lines from the movie saga are both unique and catchy:

      No reward is worth this!
      What a wonderful smell you've discovered, Princess!
      He's the brains, sweetheart!

      Okay, so I'm a Han Solo fan.

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    11. Re:Spend Your Money You Will, Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The movies take place earlier, It is possible he simply had less of a grasp of english back then, and improved towards EP 4,5,6.

    12. Re:Spend Your Money You Will, Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hehe, I remember one of my CompSci TAs was this russian chick, and it was a real ordeal going to her labs. Normally you can get the drift of what someone's saying, and delicately, in a round-about way get them to rephrase or repeat what they just said. But it was futile with her. She'd be at the whiteboard for 30 or 60 minutes, and literally you could not understand a single sentence she said!

  19. I'm waiting for... by Alpha_Nerd · · Score: 4, Funny

    the Natalie Portman shower cam :D

    Or maybe a beowulf cluster of them??

    1. Re:I'm waiting for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be more interesting than another movie teaser on slashdot.

    2. Re:I'm waiting for... by ThaReetLad · · Score: 1

      when it happens I hope someone has the forsight to get it mirrored for posterity, and post a story here.

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    3. Re:I'm waiting for... by sharkey · · Score: 4, Funny
      Natalie Portman shower cam

      Never happen. Putting a camera in her shower would probably petrify her.

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    4. Re:I'm waiting for... by jeffy210 · · Score: 1

      the Natalie Portman shower cam :D

      Or maybe a beowulf cluster of them??


      Hmmm... bullet time shower scene... *drools*

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    5. Re:I'm waiting for... by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      I'd pay $20 for that :).

    6. Re:I'm waiting for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd pay more than that :)~

    7. Re:I'm waiting for... by Songblade001 · · Score: 1

      Maybe we can watch her finally get some acting lessons... =P

  20. Good Riddance by AttillaTheNun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a fan since I saw A New Hope at the drive-in as a 6yr old, I have to say I'm disappointed at how George finds new lows in which to sink. Instead of embracing his incredibly huge and devoted fanbase, he has decided to milk it for all he can (once again). The Wachowski Bros. and Peter Jackson have left this sorry franchise in the dust anyhow (I haven't gone back to the special features disc from AOTC since I watched the 4-disc LOTR set and witnessed a cast and crew that was incredibly devoted to telling a compelling story first and using all the effects at their disposal to bring it to life). AOTC was a lame, convoluted story with wooden acting and nothing but effects that will simply not last the test of time. The original trilogy, even with it's relativley immature effects and puppets still outlasts the prequels, which will be mostly forgotten except for the most desparate fans (who will likely be paying for this site for years to come in hopes of yet another useless tidbit on how 99.9999% of the movie was digital.

  21. Waste of time and money! by henbane · · Score: 0, Troll

    George Lucas is nothing but a cheap hooker full of his own sense of importance - he seems to believe that somewhere along the way he became more than a story-teller, modern-day Homer, my ass. He can stick this myth-making shit up his hairy white ass.

    Had the misfortune of watching the "Special Edition" of episode 4 last night and realised that extra cgi does nothing for the story (and it doesn't fit in seamlessly anyway) and most of the extra scenes are next to useless or ruin the impressions I always had of the characters.

    I know I will go to this movie but charging for advertising is up there with shops charging for loyalty cards - How can anybody come up with the idea that it is worth something to a customer to give you their details or view your advertising?

  22. What a bargain by johnjay · · Score: 1

    Let's see, I'm not going to pay any money for a ticket to see the movie in a theater. I might rent it for $5 if it gets enough good reviews to make up for the drubbing the last two movies received.

    Sure, spending $20 on grainy webcam shots of the prop-trailer sounds like a great deal!

  23. I wonder if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It will suck more than Matrix:Reloaded or not.

  24. Crap... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...I don't pay 20 bucks for crap when the screener is for free!

  25. /. pool? by grub · · Score: 3, Funny

    We should get a /. pool going:
    "What is Lucas Eating Now?"
    Everyone throws in a buck. Winner takes the pot. Updates every 15 minutes or more often as George gets another plate of food.
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    1. Re:/. pool? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What is Lucas Eating Now?" ...Natalie Portman?

    2. Re:/. pool? by schnits0r · · Score: 1

      Winner takes the pot.

      How much? one ounce, 2? A nickel bag?

    3. Re:/. pool? by mbourgon · · Score: 1

      We should get a /. pool going:

      "What is Lucas Eating Now?"


      As long as it keeps him from directing or shooting the movie, I'm in. Anything to keep him off set.

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  26. Order now... by dynayellow · · Score: 1

    And you'll also get the 14 volume double-sided DVD set of George Lucas, in a continuous monologue, defending Jar Jar Binks.

  27. I know, I know by Monkeylaser · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's somewhat flameish to just decry this as another whore for money from Lucas, but it seems that the star wars license has gone from something nearly sacred to the developement of geeks to just another schlocky blockbuster, only with more questionably wooden acting than most, and a more disturbingly loyal fanbase.

    But paying for a webcam, and deleted scenes? C'mon now guys. When you've merchandised everything else in the movies already, watching the blue screen work that presumably these actors are going to be doing really doesn't sound like much fun to me.

    A question posed to the other slashdot readers here. How many folks are just a little bit more disillusioned with one of our childhood geek heroes (Lucas) every time we see a news post about the prequel trilogy?

    It's become something of a car-crash phenomenon for me. I just can't look away. But I will balk at paying 20 bucks. It leads one to wonder if this is a result of the nature of Hollywood, for creating larger, more expensive, less true to the original concept material, or if it's the nature of man as the director, when they start believing their own hype.

    1. Re:I know, I know by ObviousGuy · · Score: 1

      One almost wonders to what extent George had his paws in LucasArts considering how good that division of the Lucas empire is.

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    2. Re:I know, I know by suavivity · · Score: 1

      How can you not be disillusioned with a man who created one of the most influential stories in a generation and has since destroyed it through sfx and merchandising. I would give anything to forget the disaster that is the prequels.

      He once strived to create a modern myth, that much is evident through many sources, but now he has turned into the money-hungry sfx monkey that we all dislike. Though there is nothing wrong with being successful, there is something wrong with extorting the fans of your creation.

    3. Re:I know, I know by malducin · · Score: 1

      LucasArts makes computer games. Maybe you are referring to ILM?

  28. The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? by Mish · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It only fully hit home when discussing "The Matrix Reloaded" with a few friends a few weeks back, but "The Matrix" has a good chance at being "The New Star Wars".

    If the Wachowski Brothers can pull off 'something special(TM)' with the third Matrix movie then it'll live on for quite a long time as a classic cult sci-fi/fantasy trilogy, something the latest set of Star Wars films show no sign of doing.

    I (as did most of us) loved the original Star Wars films; I still watch them from time to time. I've watched the first Star Wars film (TPM) about three times and may never watch it again, it lacks something... the same unfortunately goes for the second, which has left me with no desire to be there on opening night for the third Star Wars film.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that this will happen, maybe the third Matrix movie will fall flat on its face and fail to deliver, but its set up for a way better chance than what looks to amount to another shallow CG laden Star Wars movie, hell rewatching the older Star Wars movies recently I was surprised by how good the old spaceship models look when compared to the new CG versions.

    I think the best quote I've ever seen about the whole "Star Wars vs. Matrix" situation was by a Matrix crew member who summed it up perfectly with:

    On a basic level, though, "The Matrix" was simply good storytelling. "I've heard the 'Star Wars' people boast about shooting frames that are 97 percent digital, and lo and behold, the movies are soulless," says John Gaeta, visual-effects supervisor for all three "Matrix" movies. "They traded the whole idea of depth in filmmaking for this supertechnological hype. It helped us focus our own philosophy: the story drives everything."

    I agree wholeheartedly.
    1. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see... it's been almost 4 years since the first time I saw the Matrix. During that time I've seen the movie at least 20 times. It's been no more than 4 weeks since Reloaded, and I've seen that movie 4 times already. Yep, sounds like you are right. I don't think I crossed the 20 viewings limit until 10 years after the first time I saw NH :-) All praise DVDs!

    2. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? by simong_oz · · Score: 1

      but "The Matrix" has a good chance at being "The New Star Wars".

      Interesting, I've never thought about that before. I would have agreed that The Matrix could have become the new SW, but after seeing Reloaded, it just wasn't good enough for the whole series to become a cult. Don't get me wrong - I really enjoyed Reloaded but if you look at Empire Strikes Back, it was (IMO) much better than SW and that was what made the whole series so good. I can't think of many series since where the sequel surpasses the original.

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    3. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? by Cackmobile · · Score: 1

      I just recently watched Reloaded and I thought it was crap. It is so far up its own arse. All the dialogue was theoritical crap. I believe this. I believe that you bleieve. I believe that you believe that I believe etc etc etc. Arrgh. The first one was cool. This nope. They better have something good in the next one. Personally I am waiting for The return of the king (i know not sci-fi) or a 3rd blade movie.

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    4. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I (as did most of us) loved the original Star Wars films; I still watch them from time to time. I've watched the first Star Wars film (TPM) about three times and may never watch it again, it lacks something... the same unfortunately goes for the second, which has left me with no desire to be there on opening night for the third Star Wars film.

      I'll let you in on a secret.... Star Wars was the FIRST movie to do a Space based SCI-FI with lots of semi believeable special effects. The sci-fi movies before it sucked because the effects were lame.. and felt like a kid playing with the super-8 in the back yard with holloween costumes and fireworks.

      Star wars was a hit because nobody ever saw anything like it before.. it was the first, fresh, and brought them in because of that.

      Matrix... DITTO! the same thing. people are getting tired of the same crap over and over and over and over.. now comes the Matrix.. it's "fresh" and has a plot that is innovative.

      in 20 years when they make 3 prequels to the matrix you will feel as poorly about it as you do about starwars now.

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    5. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? by Obiwan+Kenobi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, I'll bite. You're argument has so many holes you might as well have titled it "Swiss Cheese".

      Star wars was a hit because nobody ever saw anything like it before.. it was the first, fresh, and brought them in because of that.

      Matrix... DITTO! the same thing. people are getting tired of the same crap over and over and over and over.. now comes the Matrix.. it's "fresh" and has a plot that is innovative.


      Yes, but while Star Wars had a Space Opera effect going on (and those 1970's effects were unbelievably innovative, I'll certainly grant you), the prequels tried to go rewrite its own history to make itself seem more cohesive than it was. Midoclorians(sp?) anyone?

      I think that George had the grand idea of nine movies but didn't have the actual plot/details of all nine in his head. And while he was busy working out a new story for these prequels he realized that he couldn't do it without some old characters coming back in strange ways (Anakin built C3PO? WTF?) just to tie it together.

      Watch Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress." It's the EXACT SAME STORY as Star Wars, only in feudal Japan. Lucas has admitted as such (though the reference escapes me).

      The Matrix, on the other hand, is built upon many different philosophies. The main one, of course, if the Living Inside A Machine philosphy, which has been around ever since man created machines. Back in the 15 and 1600's, men deduced that we might be living inside a Clock, or a clock-like machine. Nowadays technology has advanced to the point where we think we live in a computer. It's the same concept, and it's just as intriguing.

      They worked in a romance angle just as Star Wars did. Of course, Star Wars didn't have the high-mindedness that The Matrix accomplishes, and the Uber Sweet Effects, but both turn their emotional screws when necessary in order to get their point across.

      Note I'm talking about the original SW trilogy, not the bastardized prequels.

      in 20 years when they make 3 prequels to the matrix you will feel as poorly about it as you do about starwars now.

      Except The Matrix didn't begin with "Episode IV: The Matrix"

    6. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Except The Matrix didn't begin with "Episode IV: The Matrix"

      Except that neither did Star Wars until after The Empire Strikes Back had been released.

      (From IMDB's trivia page:

      "The episode number and subtitle "A New Hope" did not originally appear in the film's opening crawl. These were added to the April 10, 1981 re-release to be consistent with those seen in Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)"
    7. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? by mbourgon · · Score: 1

      2001. Space-based movie with effects that _still_ hold up.

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    8. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? by dswensen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you're right about The Matrix being the new Star Wars. After all, when the Slashdot story reviewing the sequel was posted, people came out in droves to say how much it sucked and wasn't worth their time, and how it was a brainless, empty exercise in excessive (and let's not forget crappy) digital effects. The original Matrix, on the other hand, retroactively became a revolutionary epic which produced an effect that could never be repeated by any further expansion of the story.

      Yup, sounds like the heir to Star Wars if ever I saw one.

    9. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? by kmac06 · · Score: 1

      Back in the 15 and 1600's, men deduced that we might be living inside a Clock, or a clock-like machine.

      It wasn't 'man', it was Descartes

    10. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? by DeadScreenSky · · Score: 1

      maybe the third Matrix movie will fall flat on its face and fail to deliver

      I don't think we have to wait for the third film to see this occur.

      Reloaded has dropped roughly 60% in ticket sales during both its second week and again in its third. The original Matrix was making more money during its third week than Reloaded is now. I know ticket sales aren't necessarily an indicator of film quality, but for a film that looked like it was going to smash through at least $400 million in US sales to now look like it will struggle to limp through $300 million... Obviously many viewers didn't think it was worth another viewing (myself included).

      And Gaeta doesn't understand what exactly is the problem with the Star Wars prequels - it isn't that they are ignoring the story, it is that there is too much storyline. Think of all of the scenes that could be easily removed from the prequels without having to change the storyline much. Matrix Reloaded has the exact same problem.

      Another problem that Matrix will face is that it relies too much on being "cool". Star Wars (original trilogy especially) never really tried to be all that trendy - it was more of a fantasy film. This 'coolness' of the Matrix dates it terribly. Star Wars had at least a decade before many people found it cheesy. Matrix 1 is cheesy right now. And if Gaeta thinks the structure or dialogue of the first film was "good storytelling" - well, he is just an SFX guy I suppose. :P

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    11. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? by Corporate+Gadfly · · Score: 1
      Watch Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress." It's the EXACT SAME STORY as Star Wars, only in feudal Japan. Lucas has admitted as such (though the reference escapes me).
      Here's a few (oddball) references from this google search
      * Menace hides Kurosawa's Fortress
      * The Hidden Fortress (1958): Minoru Chiaki, Kamatari Fujiwara, ...
      * Amazon.com: Video: The Hidden Fortress (1960)
      * #39: The Hidden Fortress
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    12. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? by Phil+Wilkins · · Score: 1

      Star Wars was the FIRST movie to do a Space based SCI-FI with lots of semi believeable special effects.

      *cough* 2001 *cough*

      I believe you meant to say 'action sci-fi'.

    13. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? by Phil+Wilkins · · Score: 2, Informative

      Watch Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress." It's the EXACT SAME STORY as Star Wars, only in feudal Japan.

      I suggest you do, as it's not. While the characters of Obi-Wan, Leia, and the droids have obvious parallels in 'The Hidden Fortress', the structure and plot are completely different. However, ever since Lucas admitted to being partially inspired by it, legions of fanboys have been running with the rumour that it's a direct copy. Completely ignoring the minor problem that Leia spends half of Star Wars in a cell, completely seperated from the other characters, whereas her equivalent in The Hidden Fortess, is in the thick of the action for almost the whole movie.

    14. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? by aebrain · · Score: 1
      Star Wars was the FIRST movie to do a Space based SCI-FI with lots of semi believeable special effects. The sci-fi movies before it sucked because the effects were lame..
      Counterexamples :It can be argued that these are not "Sci Fi" but "Science Fiction", not as spectacular as space opera. Things as they might actually be one day.
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    15. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? by malducin · · Score: 1

      You do realize that a lot of people in CG and VFX don't like John Gaeta, who is the VFX supervisor for the Matrix trilogy because all his trash talk, right? Maybe he is severly misquotten or has zero social skills but I wouldn't give much credence to his opinions.

      About the soulless statement, that is really funny coming from a guy who previsously worked on the VFX of Star Trek 5 and Judge Dredd.

      Second he is as guilty as what he is ragging about. How much talk has there been about the all CG humans and environments in Reloaded and their technological superiority? What wa it, like 1200 VFX shots too. What was the story point of many of the VFX except trying to be cool and hip for the sake of it? How much crap talk has there been about they have raised the bar so high in VFX that it'll never be touched? Imagine if the folks at ILM had said they had raised the bar so high with Jurassic Park that no one would be able to reach it? Gaeta is the only big VFX guys who has been very unprofessional and even insulting to others in the business. Even some of his speeches makes it look like he was solely responsible for the greatness. One thing is certain, seems Gaeta and Mr. Silver are made right for each other.

      Sorry but I think I'' take opinions of others more seriosuly. That is not to say that the rest of the folks at ESC and the other facilities didn't do a great job and are taleneted and have more class.

  29. Jar Jar Cam by dfn5 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Me'sa horny.

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    1. Re:Jar Jar Cam by Mike+Mentalist · · Score: 0

      Mate, that is the funniest thing I have read today.
      I am sitting here at work, pissing my pants with laughter.
      You bastard.

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    2. Re:Jar Jar Cam by chia_monkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      I guess that would be the only reason to pay $20. I want to see the cast and crew take that long tongue and tie it to doorknobs, maybe tie him up with it. I guess tossing it in a blender would be pretty cool too.

      Or better yet, get that gecko glue and stick the tongue onto a moving prop...

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    3. Re:Jar Jar Cam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am sitting here at work, pissing my pants with laughter.

      Someone help this guy. :)

    4. Re:Jar Jar Cam by SeanAhern · · Score: 1

      Me'sa horny.
      Thou hast strayed far from the path of the Avatar.

      The juxtaposition of those two quotes is hilarious!

  30. Everybody, repeat after me: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ITS JUST A MOVIE
    ITS JUST A MOVIE
    ITS JUST A MOVIE
    ITS JUST A MOVIE
    ITS JUST A MOVIE
    ITS JUST A MOVIE

    Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
    Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
    But We ARE YELLING. ITS JUST A FRIGGIN MOVIE. DONT TAKE IT SO SERIOUSLY THOUGH.

  31. I'm Boycott the next Star Wars by thepacketmaster · · Score: 1

    A buddy and I lined up opening night for Star Wars II with much anticipcation, and hope that it would be an improvement over Episode I. (I grew up with the original trilogy, not to mention a basement full of all the Star Wars toys) Afterwards, realizing what a waste of a movie ATOC was, I don't think I'll bother to see the next one in the theatres. I'll agree the special effects were staggering, but the plot was weak and the acting was horrible. I'm beginning to think George Lucas has sold out (or sold his sole). Putting up webcams seems to be the latest trendy thing to do to get hype. Why can't he just write a good plot, get Steven Spielberg to direct (because I know he's always wanted to), and actually produce a decent film that everyone can enjoy, both kids and adults.

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    1. Re:I'm Boycott the next Star Wars by SolubleFrank · · Score: 1

      I'm beginning to think George Lucas has sold out

      Too easy.

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    2. Re:I'm Boycott the next Star Wars by lyonsden · · Score: 5, Funny

      "or sold his sole"

      Selling the bottom of his shoes? I know some fans worship the ground he walks on, but this is just ridiculous.

    3. Re:I'm Boycott the next Star Wars by thepacketmaster · · Score: 1

      How is that too easy? Did you think Hayden Christensen was up to snuff as an actor? Did you think the plot had lots of unexpected twists and turns, or did it simply go in a straight line to connect all the main story points we've heard about from the original trilogy and books?

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    4. Re:I'm Boycott the next Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nervous laughter 'cause that's probably next...

  32. Sin(g)s of the time ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is Lucas a representative of the times we live in ?
    Well, the Star Wars trilogie - toghether with "The Godfather" - was one of the masterieces of the 20th century. Like Romeo & Juliet or Beethoven's ninth symphony in centuries before.

    Now, starting with phantom menace, all we get is teletubbies on special effects.

    So I wonder, wether he is just a mirror of the society we live in that has no style or any sense for subtleness anymore.
    He killed his own legend for a few dollars more(tm). Isn't that our ideal, too, make money for any price ?

    1. Re:Sin(g)s of the time ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting. I personally think that they are out of serious inspiration and they are desperate to sell. So they invest everything on advertisment and effects. Are we all like that?

      In 100 years from now, when we'll all be dead from the pollution, the genetically altered species who will take over earth, will look back at Lucas and laughft, in the same way we today laugh when we see the cold-war annoucements of the american TV in the 50s.

    2. Re:Sin(g)s of the time ? by Cereal+Box · · Score: 1

      Star Wars? A masterpiece? Are you kidding?

      I think what happened is that all of the geeks who worship Star Wars do so because they saw the movies when they were 8 to 10 years old and therefore love the movies like any other thing they have a "childhood fascination" with. Fast-forward 20 years and those children who are now (hopefully) more mature adults think the new Star Wars movies are garbage because they are adults watching new movies that, like their predecessors, are targeted at young children. The "magic" just isn't there anymore because you're not a little kid watching a silly sci-fi movie.

    3. Re:Sin(g)s of the time ? by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it's certainly true the majority of hardcore Star Wars fans today were kids when the original(s) came out, but it certainly wasn't just kids who embraced them back then. Go back and look at reviews for them in their original releases, particularly the original - remember, this was the movie Time called the "best movie of the year" before the year was even half over, a movie that won or was nominated for eleven Oscars including Best Picture, and a movie that was seen multiple times even by plenty of adults. Clearly the appeal of the originals isn't limited to either kids or people who were kids when they first saw them. The prequels may be a different case, though...

    4. Re:Sin(g)s of the time ? by echucker · · Score: 1

      Both replies to this post have an element of truth in them.

      Part of the Star Wars magic was the age we saw the movie at. Too many people forget that the scripts are targeted at he average 12 year-old, not the 20-30 something geek. The magic of the films is colored by our first memories of seeing them, too.

      The other problem with the new movies is that "it's all been done." Ho-hum, new lightsaber duel. Massive cgi battle scene, blah. The original trilogy was new ground - movies like that didn't exist beforehand.


      Try to remember those concepts when judging the new movies - you'll be more fair to yourself, and Lucasarts.

    5. Re:Sin(g)s of the time ? by malducin · · Score: 1

      Yep I must agree. My parents took me to see the originals, and my Mom loved it then and still is a SW fan. To me the movies were more aimed at the middle, teens, but adults and kids could still enjoy them. I still remember the time I saw ESB first time, the theatre was probably 90% teens that show.

      Seems Lucas softened up (maybe in part because now the originals are considered classic kids films, even though they weren't that originally) and so made the new ones more tame, without the edge of the originals.

  33. will there by teemu.s · · Score: 5, Funny

    .. be any special edition of all the webcam material on dvds?

  34. Is that what the stink from Ep 2 was? by LordYUK · · Score: 1

    "has sold out (or sold his sole)"

    Yeah, maybe he sold his soul even...

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    1. Re:Is that what the stink from Ep 2 was? by thepacketmaster · · Score: 1

      Thank you for point out my grammer error (or is that grammar error :)

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  35. I think it's worth the money by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm not sure if it's worth $20, but it's worth something....

    $20 would help pay my monthly internet access charges. So if I only have to watch for an hour each month, I'll take the money. Of course their checks need to come regularly and on-time.

    1. Re:I think it's worth the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahaha!

  36. With matrix freeze-frame effects. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Natalie drops the soap

    freeze frame

    360 pan effect

    unfreeze, the soap hits the floor.

    Yeah, you know you'd pay for that.

  37. Are We Idiots? by WC+as+Kato · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...said Jim Ward, head of Lucas Online and vice president of Lucasfilm Ltd. "To our fans nothing is mundane; every morsel is savored and analyzed."

    Raise your hand if you feel like you've just been called an idiot.

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    1. Re:Are We Idiots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nope - not a fan anymore.

      i've had farts more enjoyable - by far - than the last 2 star wars flicks.

      actually that's not true... i've had farts TODAY that were far more enjoyable - you get the point.

    2. Re:Are We Idiots? by 1nv4d3r · · Score: 1

      Raise your hand if you feel like you've just been called an idiot.

      Everyone who actually raised their hand when they read your post probably feel like that pretty often.

  38. I Love The Haters by blinder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First off, anyone who pays attention (and I do NOT expect that here on /.) knows that I am NOT a "fanboy" as I was around when EP IV was released (the first time).

    But I must say, whenever there is a story on /. about SW, all of the George Lucas haters just crawl out of the woodwork to expose the depths of their naked jelousy and dreadful envy in the most disgusting and pathetic manner: by hauling personal attacks on George Lucas.

    Its truly pathetic. You are truly pathetic. George Lucas, in my estimation, is a genious. He has managed to pull bits and pieces of mythology and form it into a cohesive and compelling universe that has enchanted millions for nearly 30 years! Lets see any of you do that, you little twerps.

    I loved EP I, can't get enough of EP II (I probably watch the DVD once or twice a month, including the bonus footage, I can't get enough of Ben Burt's documentary) and I am eagerly waiting for EP III, and I will, with a big huge smile on my face, happily pay for the new SW site. Why many of you cry? Because there is real value for me, because I can see the joy, creativity and genious behind this franchise, instead of just being consumed by jelousy and envy.

    If you *hate* George Lucas so much, why do you spend so much time expressing that hatred? I was tempted to just let this topic go, follow my own advice and ignore the comments in this topic, but when I see some people calling GL names and conducting personal attacks... it sickened me. You people make me sick.

    I understand *legitimate* criticism of work, especially in creative works, and I have some of my own regarding Star Wars, but what I have been reading here reads more like hate and not thoughtful criticism.

    1. Re:I Love The Haters by matlokheed · · Score: 1

      "I loved EP I, can't get enough of EP II"

      So you're saying you're a masochist?

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    2. Re:I Love The Haters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're not a fanboy what the fuck are you ?

    3. Re:I Love The Haters by PygmyTrojan · · Score: 1

      George, is it you?

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    4. Re:I Love The Haters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "because I can see the joy, creativity and genious behind this franchise"

      You do realize, of course, that the only "joy, creativity and genius" you'll get to see will be a bunch of technicians sitting around in a tent eating lunch, right?

    5. Re:I Love The Haters by DrXym · · Score: 1
      The Lucas haters come out of the woodwork because there are so many who have felt their childhood memories being raped by shoddy prequels and one bloody merchandising ripoff after another. He hasn't created a compelling and cohesive universe for 30 years at all. The first three films were compelling and cohesive but the prequels feel like strap on movie franchises with wooden acting, boring script, CGI everywhere, implausible coincidences and a complete lack of suspense or action. The first three were epic with characters trapped in a huge universe, the latest two (and probably the next) were phony where the wooden characters *were* the universe.


      And yes the prequels were shoddy. Appallingly bad films in fact, whose only redeeming feature was the special effects. If the Phantom Menace was not a Star Wars franchise, it would have sunk without a trace, rating somewhere next to Wing Commander and Final Fantasy in the movie goers collective memory - i.e. best forgotten.


      Now you wonder why people spend time expressing this hatred. Perhaps because the likes of Slashdot keep dredging this shit up for it to be vented? Face it, the prequels stunk. Worship and idolise him if you like, but remember you're nothing to him but an aggregate in his earnings spreadsheet.

    6. Re:I Love The Haters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has managed to pull bits and pieces of mythology and form it into a cohesive and compelling universe that has enchanted millions for nearly 30 years! Lets see any of you do that, you little twerps

      Lucas is the benefactor of a true genius here, as you are most likely refering to his association with Joseph Campbell (author of "Hero with a Thousand Faces"). However, Campbell himself would tell you that any successful story is replete with mythological elements--story pieces common to every "hero's journey". In this case, there are plenty of geniuses, or actually gifted students who have used the model that Campbell saw in myths of all cultures to tell a compelling story. Christopher Vogler, one of Campbell's greatest modern day disciples, explains how modern day studios pay a great deal of money to consultants to help them fashion epic stories.

      Lucas is nothing special. He struck gold with Star Wars but has produced little else of note, to my knowledge.

    7. Re:I Love The Haters by Mike+Mentalist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its truly pathetic. You are truly pathetic. George Lucas, in my estimation, is a genious. He has managed to pull bits and pieces of mythology and form it into a cohesive and compelling universe that has enchanted millions for nearly 30 years! Lets see any of you do that, you little twerps.

      How on EARTH is he a genius?
      He only made the very first Star Wars film, and the latest ones are just selling on the back of the Star Wars name.
      Whilst the originals had some good characters (Harrison Ford is a great actor, and 'makes' many films what they are), the new ones are just dreadful. The acting for the most part is appalling and if it didnt have the Star Wars name behind it, it wouldnt be anywhere near as succesful.

      I loved EP I, can't get enough of EP II (I probably watch the DVD once or twice a month, including the bonus footage, I can't get enough of Ben Burt's documentary) and I am eagerly waiting for EP III, and I will, with a big huge smile on my face, happily pay for the new SW site.

      Right. You claim that you arent a fanboy, yet you say all that.
      What, exactly, consitutes a fanboy then...?

      If you *hate* George Lucas so much, why do you spend so much time expressing that hatred?

      We dont so much hate him, more the fact that most Star Wars fans are blind to the faults in the new SW films.
      I worked with some SW nuts, and they just wouldnt accept that the new films have been bad. Their only reply is "but its Star Wars" to all criticism. If it wasnt Star Wars, they wouldnt look twice at it.

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    8. Re:I Love The Haters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to agree with you. The original trilogy (save maybe Empire Strikes Back) is just as bad if you look at it objectively. Wooden acting, special effects over story, all the stuff the Lucas-haters beat the new movies with can be applied to the past. Face it, Force believers, the only thing different about the new vs the old is the advancement of special effects.

      I enjoy the series. I take it for what it is: a cool fantasy movie whose series I have grown up with. I must say, though, that the series is getting a bit tired. With books, video games, comic books, RPG material and such, there's sooo much Star Wars material out there it's not funny.

    9. Re:I Love The Haters by greenhide · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'd also point out that true fans were hugely mistreated when the "Special Edition" versions of the original episodes came out.

      They kept on saying, "You've seen these movies on a dinky TV for years! Now you get to see it full screen, as it was intended!"

      And yeah, most of each movie were great. But then Lucas had to stick his big greasy fingers into our childhood memories. Most of these movies we knew by heart. And although the special editions weren't profoundly different, they *were* different in many ways. It might be as simple as removing the cute scene on Dagobah where R2 barfs out a slew of water and fish, or as extreme as turning the Xarlac into something out of Little Shop of Horrors. And yeah, some people complain about Greedo shooting first, but come on! That didn't really have any effect on the overall movie, oh -- except for the fact that now Han loses his whole outlaw persona.

      The point is, it's clear that the one thing that saved Star Wars (and yes, it was Star Wars when it started out, not New Hope) was the simplicity and limitations on Lucas' special effects. Sometimes a tight budget makes a movie better -- just look at the Godfather, which barely was made, and where Coppola nearly was fired.

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    10. Re:I Love The Haters by blinder · · Score: 1

      You state your opinion as if it was fact, when this whole topic is subjective. To say something so BLATANTLY STUPID as to say: "felt their childhood memories being raped by shoddy prequels" is quite possibly the most patently ridiculous thing ever uttered with respect to movie criticism. How does a movie maker do this? No, I'm affraid only YOU (the individual) could "let" this happen. Feeling "raped?"

      As for me being "nothing to him but an aggregate in his earnings spreadsheet," what exactly is your point? I'm not looking for validation from anyone or anything.

    11. Re:I Love The Haters by TheKey · · Score: 1

      Of course, George Lucas didn't even write (besides the story) or direct TESB, arguably the best of the bunch. Oh yeah, he didn't write or direct RotJ either. Critiscm of the newest movies is simple: the dialogue and plot are extremely weak and the acting is terrible. Oh, these latest two were written and directed by George. George Lucas is far from a genius.

      Anyhow, you're either in middle school or you're trolling.

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    12. Re:I Love The Haters by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 1

      Fuck George Lucas. Fuck him up his his stupid ass. With TPM and then Clones this man has systematically tore down a part of my childhood. So excuse me if I don't sysmpathize with his untelented lard ass.

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    13. Re:I Love The Haters by Robber+Baron · · Score: 1

      Amen! Star Wars is still called Star Wars in my book as well...fuck this New Hope bullshit! Now the burning question is: are there any non special ed DVDs to be had? I seem to recall that Georgie was unwilling to release it on DVD until they'd been "fixed".

      BTW You weren't wasting an opportunity posting here. You're above comment has more or less summed up how many of us feel.

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    14. Re:I Love The Haters by DrXym · · Score: 1
      Excuse me? So I'm not entitled to state things as I see them but you can say "But I must say, whenever there is a story on /. about SW, all of the George Lucas haters crawl out of the woodwork to expose the depths of their naked jelousy and dreadful envy in the most disgusting and pathetic manner: by hauling personal attacks on George Lucas.". It's funny, but I don't see an "In my opinion" in front of that blanket statement so that makes you a hypocrite.


      If it makes you happy, insert 'some' and 'IMO' into the appropriate places if you like. Personally no film past, present or future is that important to me that I really care (beyond the odd comment), and in fact I find it kind of laughable that anyone would. But to some people, it is important and to them, yes their childhood memories were raped. That is to them a straight fact and quite obvious if you were to read just some of the resposes in this article.


      As for other Lucas 'haters' as you call them, perhaps they just find it amusing to watch all the fanboys flail when their beloved Star Wars and Lucas are held up in the cold light of criticism. And perhaps others are former fans who became sick of being paying through the nose for their loyalty time and again by the SW marketing which promises 'limited / collectors / remastered' editions available the last time 'before they're gone forever' before Lucas goes and releases the whole bloody lot once again, or inserts some more shitty CGI into it.

    15. Re:I Love The Haters by Mwongozi · · Score: 2, Insightful
      > I am NOT a "fanboy"
      ...
      > I probably watch the DVD once or twice a month, including the bonus footage

      Right...

    16. Re:I Love The Haters by blinder · · Score: 1

      Ugh... how did i start my last reply? Did you even read it? I started by saying this WHOLE TOPIC IS SUBJECTIVE!

      What part of "subjective" do you not understand?????

      It means, there is no right or wrong, just opinion!!!

      Second, I could CARE LESS what someone *thinks* of Star Wars. My point is the PERSONAL attacks against George Lucas. I have no problem with anyone saying how much they hate the prequals, fine so be it. I disagree, I enjoyed them. But what I can't stand is when someone goes on and on how their childhood has been "raped" and then slings personal insults against someone. That is completely intellecutally retarded, plain and simple.

    17. Re:I Love The Haters by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      Whooooo-eeee! Can anyone say 'fanboy'?

      Has it occurred to you, oh worshipper of Lucas' enormous phallus, that perhaps some of us aren't envious, but rather enormously disappointed in what we see as nothing more than manufactured Hollywood tripe? No, I guess not; to the fanboy everyone who doesn't care for his religion and his gods must be driven by a hatred rooted in jealousy.

      Imagine, for a moment, that some folks don't like the movies not for any nefarious reason you dream up in that twisted little mind of yours, but rather because they believe that the movies *suck*. A personal opinion, to be sure, but one just as valid as your own. A rational human being would concur that such opinions exist and are not driven by The Evil Within(TM), but fanboys, by their very nature, have only the lightest grip on rationality.

      I watched both movies and was disappointed by the first, and found the second close to revolting. The only upside were the special effects and Natalie Portman's very fine young body (although she seems to have left her acting ability at home, like all the other actors in the movies). If the third movie follows in the same vein I doubt I'll even see it on video.

      My opinion doesn't arise from jealousy. It comes from an incredible disappointment. This series of movies doesn't even come close to the story-telling of the first series, which made those movies enjoyable even though the acting wasn't all that much better.

      The fact that you can't stand contrary opinions says nothing about us and a great deal about you.

      Max

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    18. Re:I Love The Haters by chinton · · Score: 1
      To all of you whining about Lucas "raping your childhood memories" or "sticking his fingers in your childhood memories"... What kind of lame, fucked up childhood did you have? IT WAS A MOVIE. I saw it, I liked it, I've at liked the other installments. Do I count it as a childhood memory? No way in hell. The memory is going to see it with my friends.

      Up until the revised editions came out, I could not have told you what was outside of Lando's windows, or how many creatures were walking around Mos Eisly, nor could I have cared less. He didn't change the story, he changed the way it looked.

    19. Re:I Love The Haters by greenhide · · Score: 1

      Up until the revised editions came out, I could not have told you what was outside of Lando's windows, or how many creatures were walking around Mos Eisly, nor could I have cared less.

      Actually, for some of us, that was the point. Why did he put all of this effort into changing scenes which were already fine as they were?

      He didn't change the story, he changed the way it looked.

      Yes, he did change mostly just change the way the story looked, and I could care less about the changes to Mos Eisly or what was outside of Lando's windows -- so little, in fact, that until you brought it up I wasn't aware it was even an issue.

      I do have an issue with what Lucas did with the Xarlac. I was young, very young, when I first saw that movie, and the idea of a big throat with teeth and tentacles out in the middle of a desert was very scary. I still feel the adrenaline rushing when I watch the old version on TV. But the new Xarlac is a complete joke.

      Honestly, that is my number one disappointment about the remakes, followed closely by the removal of the Ewok celebration at the end of Return of the Jedi, which I liked a lot -- I felt that the final Ewok music blended into the credits really well.

      People experience things differently. Some people, when they eat, say, oatmeal cookies, might remember conversations they had with their Grandma, and it doesn't really matter what kind of cookies they eat. For others, in order to really experience the memory, it has to be their Grandma's recipe before it evokes the same memories and brings the same enjoyment. I have memories of this movie apart from watching them with others, and those memories are of the *original* version of these movies.

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    20. Re:I Love The Haters by curtisk · · Score: 1
      Its truly pathetic. You are truly pathetic. George Lucas, in my estimation, is a genious. He has managed to pull bits and pieces of mythology and form it into a cohesive and compelling universe that has enchanted millions for nearly 30 years! Lets see any of you do that, you little twerps.

      Ahhhhh.....yes, the Joseph Campbell "myth".

      Funny, back when it was all happening EP4,5,6 (or the first three movies) ol' Georgie wasn't talking about parallels to the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Odyssey et.al. Hell he used to laugh at anyone who dared say "Jedi"-ism is a religion of sorts.

      Fast forward a bit, J.Campbell sees some parallels in SW to his area of expertese so far, makes Luke fit the heroes journey and Voila! Lucas is a genius and meant it all along. Riiiiiiight J.Campbell lends his "scholarly"-ness to the franchise and in some ways attempts to legititimize it as a work of fine art, in turn J.Campbell sees all of his works fly off the bookshelves due to the fanboy-rush who now know who he is.

      At least thats how I see it.... :p

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    21. Re:I Love The Haters by Achoi77 · · Score: 1
      This series of movies doesn't even come close to the story-telling of the first series, which made those movies enjoyable even though the acting wasn't all that much better.

      You think so? I didn't think the storytelling of the first series was that good, either. The only reason why I liked the series so much, was because I was 5 years old, and there was LASER-SWORDS. I tried watching it recently, and wow! that was a battle to see if I have earned my title of geek.

      Granted, there were some cool-ass scenes, like in EPS where Yoda gives his "The Force is all around us" lecture to Luke. (For some reason, that's my favorite part of all the SW movies. I dunno, it must be the music.) But the majority of the movies contained campy dialogue, campy creature acting, and cheezy acting. Special effects was the only aspect of the movie that took itself seriously. Other than that, those movies were pretty terrible. Star Wars movies aren't meant to be taken seriously, unlike The Matrix or Lord of the Rings.

      If I took my 5 year old kid to see the new SW movie tho, I'm sure he would love it, just like I loved the original series as a 5 year old kid. He wouldn't enjoy The Matrix, and he certainly wouldn't enjoy the Lord of the Rings. Different movies for different target audiences.

    22. Re:I Love The Haters by Lightwarrior · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter - Lucas can't kill it now. SW has evolved from a great movie trilogy into something much, much greater. it lives on in the hearts of all those who saw and loved the original trilogy, sans special edition.

      and, of course, in all the awesome works of fiction done by greats such as Timothy Zahn, Michael J. Stackpole, and all the others who have kept the original SW universe alive and flourishing in their books.

      -lw

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    23. Re:I Love The Haters by cparisi · · Score: 1

      I think people hate Lucas because after 22 years they have built up their own vision of what Star Wars is/was. Just so happens that it did not match what Lucas' original vision was. They now think that Lucas has *robbed* them of their childhood or something.

      It just goes to show how powerful the first 3 movies were that people feel so violated, I guess.

      I don't understand it myself.

    24. Re:I Love The Haters by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      First off, anyone who pays attention (and I do NOT expect that here on /.) knows that I am NOT a "fanboy" as I was around when EP IV was released (the first time).

      Yeah, right.

      But I must say, whenever there is a story on /. about SW, all of the George Lucas haters just crawl out of the woodwork to expose the depths of their naked jelousy and dreadful envy in the most disgusting and pathetic manner: by hauling personal attacks on George Lucas.

      Naked jealousy? Dreadful envy?

      Nobody is jealous or envious of the lumps of crap that are the Star Wars prequels or the Lucas merchandising empire.

      Its truly pathetic. You are truly pathetic. George Lucas, in my estimation, is a genious.

      Few things are more pathetic than an obvious fanboy calling George Lucas a "genius." Not only is the term far overused, but it is misapplied. What's that about pathetic?

      He has managed to pull bits and pieces of mythology and form it into a cohesive and compelling universe that has enchanted millions for nearly 30 years! Lets see any of you do that, you little twerps.

      It is far from cohesive, and the interesting movies were the ones he didn't do entirely himself. Read up sometime on the people who were involved.

      I loved EP I, can't get enough of EP II (I probably watch the DVD once or twice a month, including the bonus footage, I can't get enough of Ben Burt's documentary)

      You are a fanboy.

      and I am eagerly waiting for EP III, and I will, with a big huge smile on my face, happily pay for the new SW site. Why many of you cry? Because there is real value for me, because I can see the joy, creativity and genious behind this franchise, instead of just being consumed by jelousy and envy.

      You're obviously trolling.

      If you *hate* George Lucas so much, why do you spend so much time expressing that hatred?

      Because Slashdot spends so much time praising it.

      I was tempted to just let this topic go, follow my own advice and ignore the comments in this topic, but when I see some people calling GL names and conducting personal attacks... it sickened me. You people make me sick.

      It sickens you that we criticize your genius? Very bizarre.

      I understand *legitimate* criticism of work, especially in creative works, and I have some of my own regarding Star Wars, but what I have been reading here reads more like hate and not thoughtful criticism.

      No, it's thoughtful criticism.

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    25. Re:I Love The Haters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      George Lucas, in my estimation, is a genious. He has managed to pull bits and pieces of mythology and form it into a cohesive and compelling universe that has enchanted millions for nearly 30 years! Lets see any of you do that, you little twerps.

      Uh, okay... I just bowlderized Asimov's FOUNDATION series . Howzat?


    26. Re:I Love The Haters by TrekkieGod · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Here's how their collective childhood was "raped" pal (I'd include myself in the list, but I wasn't around for ANH--although I also feel the pain):
      1. Star Wars is a part of their childhood memories...it was a phenomenon, and they were a part of it when it happened
      2. When Star Wars gets re-released, and they try to recapture what they felt when they first watched it, they find out it has been changed. Now, enhanced special effects can be good in the minds of some, but almost everyone will agree that Han Solo's very character was changed with the Greedo event. From a smart outlaw, to a brave, foolish man (notice how fake the whole scene looks...with Han not even ducking as Greedo fires the shot--what the heck is up with Greedo's aim anyway? He's not a stormtrooper.)
      3. When the movies are available for purchase once again, lo and behold...the original ones aren't. So those of us who were not happy with the special edition, couldn't get the old stuff. That may make you happy, because you like the new stuff...but it doesn't make everyone happy.
      4. Lucas creates prequels, gets every Star Wars fan hyped up. Somehow, however, he changes the demographics that he's aiming at. He starts aiming at children for the movies. Now, even if you were to argue that the original trilogy was also aimed at kids (and the only possible argument you could have is ewoks, while everything else points elsewhere), he still changed the audience...because the mainstream star wars fans, those who were kids when the first trilogy came out, grew up by now...these are the people he needs to cater for.
      5. Lucas creates the previously unknown "boring action scene" by making the pod race so long that I'll bet many people thought the sound of the pod engines were different when they got the dvd--because they thought the collective sound of half the theater snoring was engine sound, when they saw it in the big screen. Reason:
        1. Make previously unknown "boring fight scene"
        2. Use the Star Wars hype to convince people it's not actually bad
        3. Sell video games and action figures based on the previous step
        4. ???
        5. Profit!
      6. Lucas, the technological "all digital man", decides to release TPM in VHS only, initially stating the DVD will only be out after all three prequels are released, together with the original trilogy. Then, when everyone buys the VHS, he "succumbs to pressure" and releases the DVD, causing a lot of the people to buy the movie twice. The force may not be with Lucas, but Greed certainly is.
      7. From current rumors, it appears that he intends to change the original trilogy once again (Natalie Portman seems to have filmed some scenes, there's some speculation as to it being a flashback scene of some sort). And from the same rumors, he intends to release only the "extra special edition" or whatever on dvd. A format that would EASILY allow for releasing all different versions of the film in the same disk, T2 Ultimate Edition-like. Now, this is just a rumor as far as I know, so I won't blame this on Lucas...yet.
      8. In order to convince people who did not yet see Lucas as a greedy man who would ruin everybody's childhood memories to make a buck, he decides to charge for things that would ordinarily be called promotional material--things given for free to attract attention to the real product. He fails in this step...you still call him a genius.

      Now...the above statements are FACT. He's not just changing the stuff, he's refusing to give us the original trilogy back as well. Oh, I know...he'll probably "succumb to pressure" again...after he convinces people he's not going to release the original, and forces everyone to buy the "extra special edition" first.

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    27. Re:I Love The Haters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are an asshole.

    28. Re:I Love The Haters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Let me guess... No Girlfriend?

    29. Re:I Love The Haters by blinder · · Score: 1

      Good god. I can't believe someone would be so weak minded as to feel raped by what a movie is or is not. Maybe you need to speak to an actual rape victim, share you story and see if you get a positive response. Oh wait, I'm sorry, you are just being clever.

      How does he force you do do anything? "and forces everyone to buy..." I don't remember one of LucasFilm's security force, armed, walking into my house, escorting me to (insert your favorite DVD store here) and forcing me to buy anything.

      See... the arguments with words like "rape" and "force" are absolutely STUPID! No one forces you to do anything, no one has "raped your childhood." If you feel that way, fine, but don't project those feelings anyone else.

    30. Re:I Love The Haters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Honestly, that is my number one disappointment
      >about the remakes, followed closely by the
      >removal of the Ewok celebration at the end of
      >Return of the Jedi, which I liked a lot -- I
      >felt that the final Ewok music blended into the
      >credits really well.

      Did you ever take a close listen to the old music? There were people singing "Alleluia!" in the background. Tell me how *that* had a place in the movie.

    31. Re:I Love The Haters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      George Lucas may be a genious, but that still doesnt chance the fact that EP 1 & II sucked.

    32. Re:I Love The Haters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds like you more than love lucas - you must kneel and pray to him before you eat your fruit loops every morning and mommy kisses you and sends you and wally on your way to school.

      gee wally!

      have you seen any movies other than star wars? ever heard of books? i hear they have stories that are EVEN BETTER than the funnies!!! wowwy gollie!

    33. Re:I Love The Haters by bad_fx · · Score: 1

      When the movies are available for purchase once again, lo and behold...the original ones aren't. So those of us who were not happy with the special edition, couldn't get the old stuff. That may make you happy, because you like the new stuff...but it doesn't make everyone happy.

      Actually, when they started selling the remastered originals, one of the marketing points was that the originals would never again be available for sale - I remember because it played a large part in me buying them at the time. (ie: was the only reason I bought them.)

      If they do now start selling them again, I can tell you I'll be none too happy.

  39. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? No way! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > It only fully hit home when discussing "The Matrix Reloaded" with a few friends a few weeks back, but "The Matrix" has a good chance at being "The New Star Wars".

    Maybe the 'new' Star Wars, but definitely not the 'old' Star Wars.

    I saw 'the matrix reloaded' yesterday evening, with female who is *major* Keanu Reeves fan. Even she couldn't stand it after the 1st 1 1/2 hours, and required that we walk out (I'd been bored from the first 30 mins). The film is abysmal, badly acted, unconvincing effects (especially Zion), with a load of pseudo-intellectual garbage attempting to masquerade as philosophy.

    At least in the Star Wars series, the teddy-bears were convincing...

    Anon.

  40. money doesn't stink by dorfsmay · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Holywood is a business. The primary goal of business is to make money, not to entertain.

    I am not sure why the guy should be criticized for being old. Everybody grows old, some better than others. I hope you loose your anger as you grow older... Yes, sorry to break the news to you, the "olds" is not a group of other foreign people, you too will grow old.

    I have to admit that being fat is a health risk, but that is his problem that has no consequence on what he does (producing movies), and apparently he has the money to deal with the consequences of his life style choices.

    I am not sure why slashdoters tend to be very quick to criticize the successfull rich people out there... jealousy ?? Now if you are truly interrested in entertainment and talent, forget about big holywood production, start looking at what's produced locally in your area. Everywhere I've been, you can easily find incredibly talented musicians, singers, actors, etc... They typically are not rich, and paying to see them at your local theatre will make a big difference to them.

    Enjoy your day.

    1. Re:money doesn't stink by maxpublic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hope you loose your anger as you grow older

      My anger is directed at the folks who can't spell "lose" properly. It's "lose" as in "you lose, dude", and "loose" as in "he's loose, so make him wear a condom".

      Max

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    2. Re:money doesn't stink by RatBastard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, money doiesn't. But George does. The people here aren't jealous of his money. Those of us who hate him and his insatiable greed don't hate him for the money he's gotten. We hate him for how he got it. We hate him for re-releasing the original trilogy ofer and over in ever so slightly different guises (but never on DVD). We hate him for selling out to TV and making that dreadful "Star Wars Holiday Special". We hate him for selling out his creative integrety (sp?, who cares?) and perverting Endor from a planet of wookies into a planet of Christmas plush dolls. We hate him for making a list of tens of thousands of Jar-Jar Binks licensing ideas rather than try and make Episode One a good movie.

      In short, we hate him fior every time he decided to milk us out of yet another dime, again and again with the restraint of the Maquis de Sade at a girl's bording school.

      Some of us are tired of being his moneybags and his bitch.

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    3. Re:money doesn't stink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, you can "loose" your anger, as in setting it free. Vader could quite easily have swappped "Give in to your hatred and join me" with "Loose your anger and join me" and it would have made perfect sense.

      Learn the english language before you trash other people for their usage of it.

    4. Re:money doesn't stink by cnoocy · · Score: 1

      It would have made perfect sense, except for being the opposite of what is implied by context. Not to imply you didn't RTFP.

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    5. Re:money doesn't stink by DanteKy · · Score: 1

      If you are tired of being his "moneybags" then quit buying his stuff. Simple answer. None of us are forced to buy any of his movies, toys, ect. George is all about making money, don't think for a second he isn't. If issuing that extra Anakin figure can make him a buck, I say go for it. Why bitch about something when you are just as much the cause of it as the creator is?

    6. Re:money doesn't stink by mrleemrlee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Give me a break.

      How exactly was replacing big, hairy creatures with small, hairy creatures a surrender of artistic integrity? Get a grip, man! The fact is that Episode IV was a fairly well-made movie that was revolutionary in form, Episode V was a masterpiece (and directed by someone who actually knew how to direct)and the rest of the films have been gilding (or sullying) the lily.

      You are taking some pretty good space opera and conflating it into an excuse to be angry at the whole world. I am a huge "Star Wars" fan, but even I can see that even among sci-fi/comicdom, there are dozens of worlds both richer and more interesting than Lucas' creation. The sum total of it is one good movie, one great movie, one mediocre movie and two unholy messes. No offense, but it can't possibly come as news that this is pretty small potatoes as far as cultural legacies go.

      And after 26 years of being his "bitch," I imagine you are tired of it. But you kept coming back for more ...

    7. Re:money doesn't stink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      George doesn't make money by rereleasing stuff. He makes the money when consumers buy the product.

      And if consumers are going to buy the product then why the hell shouldn't he put it out there? Wouldn't you? Of course you would as well. And don't pull any of that "i'm noble, not like that bullshit" - very few people say no to money.

    8. Re:money doesn't stink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...but it sure can *buy* a lot of stink.

    9. Re:money doesn't stink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holywood is a business. The primary goal of business is to make money, not to entertain.

      Hollywood execs that subscribe to that logic are to blame for the qualitative crisis the entertainment industry faces today. It's a forest-for-the-trees thing man.

      Think about it - but not too hard now - wouldn't want you to pull anything important.

    10. Re:money doesn't stink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I hope you loose your anger as you grow older..."

      Don't you listen to RATM? "Anger is a gift"

    11. Re:money doesn't stink by malducin · · Score: 1

      I believe Lucas has a bit of diabetes from what I rmember, the one that is more beningn and can be controlled witha good diet and doesn't require insulin. It does tend to make him gain weight easily and it's indeed a health risk. Maybe it was mentioned in the 60 Min. Ep. 1 piece a few years back?

    12. Re:money doesn't stink by some+damn+guy · · Score: 1

      Holywood is a business. The primary goal of business is to make money, not to entertain.

      Yeah, but... they suck at it.

      Well, no one should go into the movie business just for the sake of making money. For a sound, investment-quality businness you could do light years better (unless you have, say, virtually the sole ownership of the Star Wars franchise- at least for a picture or two).

      Its a shitty business because people are fickle and returns are very unpredictable. Big corperations think they can squeeze the risk out of the business by making formula pictures and endless sequels, but in reality, most, if not all, had very mixed success over the years.

      In the end, the only reason you go into the movie business is because it's glamorous or you love movies. Even if big media company CEO's convince themselves of the soundness of this 'investment', what they are really doing is justifing the purchase of a neat toy for themselves with someone else's dollar. No one should doubt the inclination of many of these companies to do such grandious, arrogant things. God help you if you owned stock in some of them.

      The synergies that they try to develop with their distibution channels often end up not working very well. Getting a good picture to show on your network (etc) for no addtional cost (since you made it) is a very good thing, but being forced to distribute some piece of shit using the same precious resources because you're desperate to recoup the production costs is, obviously, no fun.

      The good news is they never buy much content from middle men....and so is the bad news.

  41. Re:Interesting... by Surak · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Interesting comment coming from someone who has complained (journal) about how trolls are the scourge of Slashdot other blathering about the signal/noise ratio...

    Ah well, anything for a mod point, right?


    Ya know what? Yeah, trolls bug me sometimes, but sometimes their just downright funny. They're part of the community and you have to take the good with the bad.

    The S/N ratio isn't just about trolls. it's also about quality posting. The quality of posts has tended to go down. One problem is the Slashdot groupthink. Post a story about Apple and you'll get 100 posts from Mac fanboys about how totally cool OS X (it just works, yada yada), how they love their tibooks, etc., another 100 posts arguing with the fanboys that Macs are too expensive, better price/performance ratio elsewhere, etc., another 50 posts about rumours of an x86-based OS X port and how Apple's gonna move to AMD or Intel, another 10 posts saying that BSD is dying, another 1-2 posts about how wonderful BeOS is ?!??!?, about 30 trolls, and some miscellaneous Gentoo Fanboys touting that Gentoo runs on PPC (?!?!?!)

    I mean, quite frankly it's ridiculous.

  42. 20 Bucks to See the making of shite?!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I cannot believe the audacity and sheer chutzpah of Lucas at this point. Just when you thought he couldnt ruin the franchise anymore after he churned out Attack of The Clones, (one of the few movies in my life that I've actually walked out on) he actually expects fans to pay to see the making of this? Remember the Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back behind the scenes FX special that aired on TV to hype the film coming out years ago? That was promotion and it was free to us.
    Here's an idea for everyone in the nerd/techy/sci-fi spaz arena: don't go to see either this new Star Wars movie or The Matrix Revolutions. Why continue to support these franchises which simply rely on their built in audiences for revenue instead of actually attempting to create a quality product? The Wachowski's and Lucas are exploiting America's need and desire for a good quality sci-fi film that has great effects AND a meaningful plot to sustain characters we actually CARE about.

    1. Re:20 Bucks to See the making of shite?!!!!!! by BurKaZoiD · · Score: 1

      I'll let you watch me take a dump for $10.

  43. Watched "Empire" recently... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...and I wanted to cry half-way through. We'll never see a Star Wars picture that good again (George didn't write or direct it and it shows).

    I'll pay $20 extra just to have the "original" edit on DVD.

  44. That's great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "then replaying in a loop while the cast is sleeping"

    Yeah, that's during the day when they're filming, but I wonder what they'll show from the time they're done for the day until next morning?

  45. reluctant fan by w1r3sp33d · · Score: 1

    I was five when I was at the drive-in watching ANH, and I feel exactly the same way about the original trilogy. I know that there are alot of people who feel this way.

    The question is this after going to opening night of every other film, and seeing all of the many times, and owning 2-3 copies of each film;

    Can I bring myself to buy the ticket for epIII?

    Am I going to contribute to opening weekend $?

    Is it going to suck more than every one before?

    I already know the answer to these questions, but at least I won't support the webcam!

  46. Real world vs. Lucas world by Sabu+mark · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Real world: Behind-the-scenes shorts are a form of preview, designed to whet the audience's appetite.
    Lucas world: Behind-the-scenes shorts are a saleable product, offered at twice the price of the actual movie being made.

    Real world: Buying the VHS or DVD is like owning the actual print of the film, in a cheaper format.
    Lucas world: There is no such thing as the print of the film. Films are like operating systems; a new version is released avery year or so, and the customer base must pay to replace their DVDs with the latest version.

    Real world: The special effects exist to serve the story.
    Lucas world: The special effects exist to improve sales of the upcoming Xbox title.

    Real world: A franchise goes downhill when the original creators are replaced.
    Lucas world: The franchise went downhill when the original creator came back.

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    1. Re:Real world vs. Lucas world by greenhide · · Score: 1

      *sigh*

      I knew it was a mistake to comment in this story when I had mod points. Oh well.

      Someone mod the parent up!

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  47. but most of by m1chael · · Score: 1

    the good actors are cg...

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  48. Green screen by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since 99% of the new Star Wars movies are digital animation anyway, won't the cam just show you a few actors in costumes standing in front of a green screen? Seems kinda pointless...

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  49. Finally on topic... by guran · · Score: 0, Troll

    Natalie Portman naked and petrified...

    Ar the /. trolls ahead of their time or what?

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  50. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? No way! by Pxtl · · Score: 1

    Idunno, I just saw ReLoaded and enjoyed it - the pseudo-intellectual crap was all nicely debunked at the end, which I really enjoyed. What actually annoyed me most was the fight scenes, not the teen-angst philosophy. I'm sorry, but the Smiths scene just seemed to drag on forever. The highway scene was fun, but I always get annoyed when that many bullets fly and noone gets shot ever. The penthouse fight with ancient weapons just felt pointless. But, overall, I liked the movie - I just thought the action scenese were dragged out.

  51. Wow. by Jonsey · · Score: 1

    Natalie Portman

    Warm Grits

    /. Cliche


    Priceless.
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  52. Tells me that the franchise is D E A D! by crovira · · Score: 1

    And now morally bankrupt.

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  53. Off scene kisses by kyoko21 · · Score: 1

    I wonder if we will catch any of the actors kissing a little bit too much off the set?

    1. Re:Off scene kisses by saudadelinux · · Score: 1

      Maybe. They might even have more Force in them than any George will have onscreen...

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  54. Top 5 things seen on the webcam by figjamjam · · Score: 1

    5. A green screen and nothing but a green screen for 10hours straight.

    4. Jar Jar Binks being ridden like a kangaroo by the australian film crew.

    3. Yoda reading the works of shakespeare when no shooting is occuring.
    "not to be or To be matters not"

    2. An actual script. George promised there will be one this time ;-)

    1. Princess Amidala getting down and dirty with Chewbacca.

    1. Re:Top 5 things seen on the webcam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Noooooooo, no wookie nookie!

  55. Loop? by earthloop · · Score: 1

    shooting live for 12 hours and then replaying in a loop

    Loop? Surely it'll just be repeated. After all, how many times can you loop 12 hours in 12 hours?

  56. Conservation of Monotony by Michael_Burton · · Score: 1

    There are some folks who will eat this up. I'm not one of them. Although I am innately superior to folks whose tastes are different than my own, I'm not judgmental. If George Lucas can give those folks a little happiness in exchange for $20, more power to him. Those who don't want to watch it don't have to.

    Viewers are likely to discover just how exciting and glamorous the movie business really is. I think there must be some Law of Conservation of Monotony. To create a film that beguiles the time for two hours, times ten million viewers, the filmmakers must endure months of absolutely crushing tedium. The more interesting the movie, the more mind-numbing the making of it.

    And for just $20, the fans get to watch! Cool.

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  57. This would be a problem.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..... if anybody actually gave a shit about star wars any more.

  58. perhaps worth another look.... by cyberon22 · · Score: 1
    If you have an open mind, why not read one of the better academic reviews of the new episodes?

    You're probably right that Lucas isn't worried about losing his fan base though. I can't see anyone who really cares about commercial success making a series of films so intensely intellectual.

  59. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? No way! by 0123456 · · Score: 1

    Agreed. I hate to say it, but the action scenes in Matrix 2 were... boring. Cars exploding, slow-motion martial arts, shootouts, yeah, so what, seen it all before, and we know that Neo is never going to get hurt and the heroes will always succeed, so why bother?

    Seriously, the first movie was a cool effects demo with no real plot, the second movie wasn't even that impressive as an effects demo. I'll watch the third just in case the plot makes some sense, but it's hard to see it being a better trilogy overall than the original three 'Star Wars' movies.

  60. Lucus gets points by zakezuke · · Score: 1

    I mean seriously, how many loved classic epic films have the budget to actually get things done that the fan base did ask for, though it be 20 years ago. This is the aspect I think is wonderful about Mr. Lucus actually doing ep 1, 2, and 3. I think it's great. How many of us waited after return of the Jedi for that exclusive next star wars film?

    But we forget the fact that it's a prequil... we already know the ending, so your average watcher isn't going to enjoy it all that much. What we are paying to see... if your me anyway... is the character development that builds up to "luke I am your father, i'm a skilly little white guy, i'm not james earl jones".

    Is George Lucus a money grubbing bastard, fuck yea! Never been any question on this. That whole ban the VCR movement is proof of this.

    Do I plan to see Episode III... yea, but not at prime time rates, or perhaps on bittorrent. I enjoyed a new hope, empire strikes back, and return of the jedi. I don't plan to be first in line, I don't plan to trade a laptop for tickets as seen with episode 1. I won't drive up to canada to see it first.

    Am I going to pay moolah to see the cast make the film in real time? FUCK NO! Ok, that's pushing your luck. Franky this level of starwars geekdome frightens the hell out of me. No freaking way. A real director would use such a promotion as a teaser, not as a way exploit a stupid public. I have little respect for Lucus as a person, and I just lost some serious points.

    Do I expect people to record this webcam and post it on the net, FUCK YEA! Waste of bandwidth if you ask me, but hey, there is a demand for this, a demand for watching Skywalker scratch his butt.

    For those users who are interested in star wars web cam, might I reccomend the star wars christmas special and varity show... with special guest.. Jefferson Airplane (correct me on this if it was Starship at this point). I had this misfortunate of seeing this as an adult, and I think I know why I can't remember this crap, I think even as a 6/7 year old child I find it insulting to my inteligence.

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    1. Re:Lucus gets points by greenhide · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do I plan to see Episode III... yea, but not at prime time rates, or perhaps on bittorrent. I enjoyed a new hope, empire strikes back, and return of the jedi. I don't plan to be first in line, I don't plan to trade a laptop for tickets as seen with episode 1. I won't drive up to canada to see it first.

      Actually, I plan to go to the midnight showing. Way I figure it, I probably will go to see it while it's in the theaters, and if I do I may as well see it when it's fresh and new and see it surrounded by the most hardcore geeks possible, who will laugh at all the inside stuff, if there is any, and who will cheer really loudly at the end, so I can at least fool myself into believing that I enjoyed the film.

      My profound hope? It's unlikely, but maybe Lucas will think, "Hey, this is the *last one* I can do! I'd better marshall any talent that I, the actors, my dialogue writers, and my special effects crew have to make this the best one ever! All of my fan base really have bitched about episodes 1 and 2. Maybe I should take a look at Empire and see just what it was that made it so successful (Answer: tight editing, interesting philosophies, exciting interstellar chase scenes, genuine humor -- "It's not my fault" still the greatest line of all time, and realistic emotional connections between the characters)"

      But not very likely, really.

      If only there was someone to put Harrison Ford back into the movie. Man, he was the glue that held it all together.

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      Karma: Chevy Kavalierma.
  61. Spoiling the excitement by drdale · · Score: 1
    "There are a lot of things we can do with that webcam and not spoil the excitement of the film for fans," said Jim Ward, head of Lucas Online and vice president of Lucasfilm Ltd. "
    I wish they could find things to do with the scripts that didn't spoil the excitement. I was in 4th grade when the very first movie came out, and it was the center of my life for a year or two. But these newer films are crap. Among many other things, they are going to such absurd lengths to bring the characters from the first trilogy into the new films. When I realized that they were suggesting that Darth Vader had actually built C3PO, I saw all hope was lost.
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  62. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need to head over to geekizoid.com; /. without the crap.

  63. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? No way! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I found the five minute "rave at zion" scene in the early stages of the film really frustrating.

    It was like they just decided to film a (bad) music video with sex in it and splice it in the movie.

  64. Can we... by 5strangers · · Score: 5, Funny

    call in and vote off the characters we don't like?

    1. Re:Can we... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hehehe

      I like that.

    2. Re:Can we... by Khomar · · Score: 1

      Sure. I'm thinking that is almost the entire cast with the exception of Obi Wan. Ewan MacGregor is an incredible actor that somehow managed to breathe life into an otherwise horrendous script. Whenever he was on screen, there was an energy that was severely lacking anywhere else. Maybe they should just forget the whole Anakin story and just follow Obi Wan for a while! That might actually be slightly entertaining (afterall, the best lines from the movie are all his).

      The only other hilight I can possibly think of was Yoda's little battle, but after the "Yo-da-man" commercials, even that scene leaves a bad taste in my mouth. *sigh*

      As for Natalie Portman, while she is a very attractive gal, she is an incredibly stiff actor. Of course, given the overall quality of the film, that may have a lot to do with the director and his fascination with technology over story-telling and character.

      Between X-Men, Matrix, and Lord of the Rings, the new Star Wars trilogy is scarcely worth mentioning.

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      I believe in de-evolution. God made the world perfect, man fell, and its been going downhill ever since!

    3. Re:Can we... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure... Call 1-900-starwars $9.99/minute

  65. Revised Plot : by da5idnetlimit.com · · Score: 1

    Amadala is waiting for Anakin. She is bearing their child.

    Suddenly, Anakin enters the room in his ThinkGeeks Ultimate BDSM Outfit (the black one, with Integral Protection and Exclusive VoiceBox).

    He proposes her to engage in a sexual tournament where she will have to satisfy at the same time Anakin, Palatin and a laser saber.

    She sharply reject him because his #AhEm# is too short. At the same time, the lightSaber, expertly manipulated by Palatin, gives her a second child.

    Anakin, heartbroken, creates a BDSM startup called Empire.org, with Palatin as head designer, himself as role model, and zillions of Slashdoters join in the Party because they heard they would be given a white Trooper outfit and a Laser Gun.

    Using the power of the Slash, Anakin DDOS the Republic and Roots the system, creating the basis for Empire.org.

    Having crushed the Galaxy after a massive Advertising campaign, and ruined the Designer Clothes market because of his attachment to Black BDSM Contraption, he start a happy life with Palatin as Dominatrix.

    His small BDSM Designer company now rules the Market, and wherever he goes he's met with hordes of followers that dress exclusivly in the Outfits he sells.

    In the next episodes, we will see him trying to engage Jaba the Hut for more sexual Fantaisies, while a young Skywalker tries to enter the market with a so called "Street/Loose" clothing Style.

    There, you see how you were mistaken on the scenario part ? 8p

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    1. Re:Revised Plot : by mockchoi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, don't quit your day job

  66. But who cares? by autopr0n · · Score: 1

    Is anyone intrested in starwars anymore? After the last two bricks, I doubt anyone would care about the third. I certanly have no intention going

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  67. Sleeping by greenhide · · Score: 2, Funny

    while the cast is sleeping

    Does Lucas realize how much money he could charge if there were webcams of that?

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  68. Sci-fi maybe, not universal though by aliens · · Score: 1

    To me Starwars is something many people outside the sci-fi fanbase enjoyed.

    Matrix not so much, if you're looking for a trilogy, LOTR is it.

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    -- taking over the world, we are.
  69. Matrix needs a backstory sequence by swb · · Score: 1

    The Matrix badly needs a backstory sequence that explains how "we" got into that situation to begin with. Part of the trouble with the Matrix is that it's just "there" as if it always had been, and there's no aspect to the (often overdone) philosophizing that emphasizes it was "our" mistake originally to create these machines.

    The Terminator movies have done a fair job of exploiting the backstory to both drive the plot (change the present to change the future) as well as explain what's happening.

    Although I thought (and am still a little confused by) the sequence with Keaneu and the guy in the room with all the TVs showing Keaneu talking about all the other Neos that had come before him. I couldn't tell if it was a trick, or if the Matrix was in a matrix or something.

    1. Re:Matrix needs a backstory sequence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called "Animatrix". Flicks #1, #4 and #9 (IIRC).

    2. Re:Matrix needs a backstory sequence by iainl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you want to know the backstory, its available either online or on DVD (released today, coincidentally enough) - a series of cartoons called "The Animatrix" (see what they did there? ;))

      Personally, I don't think we need to re-tread The Terminator and explain that its all the fault of those nasty evil scientists again (remember folks, if its Natural, it must be good for you. Even potassium cyanide). One of the things I really liked about both The Matrix and the original Star Wars is the sense that there is a whole world, with ecosystems, history etc. out there, without a stack of flashbacks and prequels to lead us by the hand and show us every last corner.

      As for your last paragraph, I don't know how much I should say in case I spoil it for those who haven't seen it, but if you didn't understand what was going on in that scene, its of little wonder that you felt the philosophical part of the film to be a problem. Basically, the guy is explaining that, as the Merovingian warned him, his free will and escaping from the Matrix was to some extent illusory - we like to think we are making our own choices, but all too often those in power have manipulated the situation so that our actions are predictable. The TV screens were either showing the actions of the previous "one"s when faced with the dilemma at hand, or at least The Matrix's simulations of what he is expected to do (its not especially relevant which, since another part of the plot is that he is expected to act just as his predecessors did). There is a hint that even Neo's decision to rebel, to risk everyone's lives in order to save Trinity, may be part of the Architect's plan, or even part of a plan by the Oracle (who laid some important Cupid groundwork in the first film to encourage him to love Trinity in particular) to make things happen differently this time, and that is why she is now on the run from the agents, despite being the Matrix's "Mother".

      "You hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of ineviatability". The groundwork laid in the original is pretty impressive once you go digging.

      --
      "I Know You Are But What Am I?"
    3. Re:Matrix needs a backstory sequence by tuffy · · Score: 1
      The Matrix badly needs a backstory sequence that explains how "we" got into that situation to begin with. Part of the trouble with the Matrix is that it's just "there" as if it always had been, and there's no aspect to the (often overdone) philosophizing that emphasizes it was "our" mistake originally to create these machines.

      The Animatrix "Second Renaissance" shorts do a marvelous job of laying out the Matrix backstory. I'd go so far as to say their 20 combined minutes is better than "Reloaded". And, I'm pretty sure they're both free downloads.

      --

      Ita erat quando hic adveni.

    4. Re:Matrix needs a backstory sequence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man u r dumb ....
      Go and watch the movie again!!

  70. I see the bad titles continue. by fr2asbury · · Score: 1

    The Phantom Menace? Send in the Clones? (sorry Attack of the Clones) and now:

    Star Wars: Behind the Scenes Webcam

    It's about as inspiring as the other titles in the franchise.

    Jonathan

  71. Well, let's wait for revolutions... by autopr0n · · Score: 1

    To me it seems like reloaded and revolutions are really just two halvs of a 4 hour movie. Maybe when the second one comes out it'll make more sense.

    It would have been better if the two had been made as discreet wholes, meant to stand on their own.

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    autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
  72. but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...it's worth something....

    No, it's really not.

  73. Bleh by Pinguu · · Score: 1

    It was slashdotted... now you've brokened it!!!111oneoneone

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  74. Natalie Portman... by illumina+us · · Score: 2, Funny

    If there is a webcam in Natalie Portman's dressing room. I'll pay for that :D

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    -illumina+us "I put on my robe and wizard hat..."
  75. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? No way! by Pxtl · · Score: 1

    Idunno - I didn't mind that the scene was there - it was part of the whole "lets show the audience what Zion is, so they can understand why its worth saving" - my problem with it was that it was, like every other "scene" of the movie, way to frigging long.

  76. It may be better than the movie itself. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After being drained of my $6.00 for the last peice of crap, I have given up on SW. Too bad, as I fondly remember seeing the original about 10 times when it first came out.

  77. NOT PORTMAN -- IT'S NATALIE HERSHLAG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two points:

    1. With a name like Natalie Hershlag, you know she has to be a Sith witch.

    2. I'm not sure if it's worth $20, but it's worth something....

    I don't think it's worth $20.00. I think it's worth less...er...worthless. That is unless there's some juicy footage of Natalie Hershlag, the Sith witch.

  78. Episode III - YAWN by jhylkema · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Okay, so Queen Amidala bangs Anakin and has twins. Anakin goes to the dark side and Princess Leia goes into hiding. BFD. Riight. I'm going to pay $8 for this.

    Now, if I get to see Natalie Portman naked . . .

    1. Re:Episode III - YAWN by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 1

      ... and petrified.

    2. Re:Episode III - YAWN by Kredal · · Score: 1

      ... with hot grits.

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      Whoever stated that signature sizes should be limited to one hundred and twenty characters can just go ahead and kiss my
  79. Worth my money! by NineNine · · Score: 1

    Natalie Portman + Grits. Mmmmm... griiiits.

  80. Cool! Now we can see... by Maul · · Score: 1, Redundant

    ...what Lucas has been smoking. Jar Jar was obviously inspired by some sort of mind-altering substance.

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    "You spoony bard!" -Tellah

  81. Don't forget about the volcano! by RatBastard · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't forget the part where Anakin and Obi Wan have a huge fight (probably at what a bad kisser Anakin has become lately) on the edge of a giant volcano in which Anakin gets tossed in like some crappy old ring and struggles out all burned and battered and is turned into a cyborg (who travels back in time to kill Sarah Conner, but I digress).

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    Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
  82. Yoda is German by RatBastard · · Score: 1

    In "Empire Strikes Back" and "Revenge^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Return of The Jedi" Yoda's sentence structure is very much like German transliterated into English.

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    Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
  83. Parallel (Reverse) Development in Movie-making by seanthenerd · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that lately (Matrix excluded) movies have been abandoning good plot and good acting for plain special FX. It's the same with 'Star Trek' - TOS was good, NG was the best, then it went downhill. The original Star Wars trilogy was an outstanding success, but then good ol' George decided to "get with the times" and abandon what could have been great. Hopefully movie-makers are just going through a 'phase' and will eventually return to making good plots and acting.

    1. Re:Parallel (Reverse) Development in Movie-making by ctve · · Score: 1
      Hopefully movie-makers are just going through a 'phase' and will eventually return to making good plots and acting.

      People still are. And in the past, people made crap movies (it's just that we filter stuff like most Elvis movies, Howard the Duck and The Black Hole out).

      It's just that nowadays many great movies (unlike in the early 1970s) are not box office blockbusters, because hype drives sales, rather than word of mouth. Have a look at European cinema, or films like Magnolia or films by the Coen Brothers.

  84. Well... by mockchoi · · Score: 1

    To be fair to Lucas, whatever his talents may or may not be, I think the idea of making 3 'prequels' was inherently flawed and no one could have made them better than 'alright'.

  85. Who Cares!!!!!! by g_goblin · · Score: 1

    Star Wars hasn't been good since Return of the Jedi. I won't spend one cent on a product Lucas has his fingers on. He should let it die instead of trying to make a buck off of the drooling herd.

    I can't wait until Triumph get's ahold of the Star Wars nerds this time.

  86. Interdependence of Man and Machine by Phoenix666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I got another angle from Reloaded that I haven't seen discussed here yet: the interdependence of man and machine and Neo & Smith as mirrors of each other. You have the scene with the Council member in the engineering level in Zion where he muses about who's really in control, man or machine? You have the Oracle and the Architect talking about how they and other special programs are there to keep the Matrix running by keeping human minds in line and accepting of the Matrix.

    Then there's Neo who's seeking liberation by entering the realm of the machine in the Matrix, and Smith who's seeking liberation by entering the realm of Man in Zion. Smith is the anti-Neo. They both want the same thing, but from the other side. Maybe the combination of their efforts will break the myth of inevitability?

    Neo's love for Trinity being the key to breaking inevitability is a little too cliched for it to be the only message. And the repetition of Neo and the Matrices with his evolving responses points to a refinement of what liberation really is. Given that the Wachowski brothers were heavily influenced by EST ideas (EST being a quasi-Scientology cult), that's the direction I'd say they're headed in.

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    Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
  87. $20 by ScorpioIlya · · Score: 1

    Watch the Amadala-shower-cam: $20 bucks Watch the guy watching the shower-cam: $80 bucks Watch the guy watching the guy watching the shower cam: $200 bucks.

  88. What is the definition of "fanboy"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You seem to believe that you aren't a "fanboy".

    Yet your stated behaviour patterns (watching the same movies every month) would seem to meet the definition of "fanboy".

    Not to mention your belief that Lucas is a genius.

    Or do you have additional criteria? If so, please share them.

    Otherwise, for everyone else, there is no reasoning with a "fanboy". You are wrong or stupid or jealous or uneducated or fill-in-the-blank.

    You like these movies. I think they suck. In the original movies, the links between Luke and Vader (and then Leia) were SURPRISES. They worked because they were surprises.

    Now, Vader is also the creator of C3PO. And it just gets worse from there.

    All these "movies" are are CGI effects losely "tied" together by the most unlikely plot devices involving characters (or their relatives) from the original series.

    In short, a rip off of the original series.

    They demonstrate the worst in acting along with a total lack of creativity and focus solely on marketing "action figures" and cups from local fast-food burger joints.

    They suck.

  89. i'm sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Lucas haters come out of the woodwork because there are so many who have felt their childhood memories being raped by shoddy prequels

    I'm sorry, I missed the part where you were put in charge of the Star Wars universe

  90. who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    about your opinion?

    nobody.

    don't like it. don't see it.
    you'll be happier, those who like it will be happier.
    simple as that

  91. For another $20 dollars... by mcguyver · · Score: 1

    ...can I comment on the script as it is being filmed? This could be considered error control and had something like this existed during filming of the prequals the public may have ended up with a believable script.

    I know a CEO who says do not confuse consistency with loyalty. This is to say that Lucas screwed up the script in two prequals and should not be given another chance.

  92. Skywalker Ranch Webcam by Angry+Black+Man · · Score: 2, Funny

    8AM George Lucas is in bed.
    10AM Still in bed.
    12PM Still in bed.
    12:30PM Gets up, eats breakfast.
    12:45PM Shower.
    1:00PM Sits down to write Episode III script.
    1:30PM Finishes script.
    1:30-8:00PM Creates wacky alien creatures.
    8:00-9:00PM C-3PO / R2-D2 humor relief puns to use during heated battle scene.
    9:00-10:00PM Skewing Yoda's grammar so every line can rival the infamy of "Around the survivors, a perimeter create!"
    10:00PM Bed time!

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    the byproduct of years of oppression by the white man
  93. ! Spoiler warning :) ! - Shower Cam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spoilers ahead! :)

    Until the shower cam has been set up, you can have a "beach cam preview" to judge whether it will be worth the money.

    A Naboo-One-Person-Ray-Gun deflector or some sun blocker from the stupid ages might have helped against
    that sunburn due to sunbathing a little too long

    mod +/-1 sorry, hot summer night

  94. Trading cards! by HopeUnknown · · Score: 1
    Coming soon, collect all 260 trading cards featuring low res webcam screenshots! I want the shiny foil card featuring Darth Vader punching Jar Jar in the mouth.

  95. Who Cares? by bigwavejas · · Score: 1

    Honestly, the new Star Wars are laughable, the sick part is I kind of feel obligated to watch the next one... god I'm sick! SHRINK!!!!!1

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    "Simplify, simplify, simplify!" Thoreau
  96. 20 bucks a year? by geekoid · · Score: 1

    isn't EPIII supposed to be out this year?
    If so, what are you going to watch after the actors are done? if it isn't supposed to be done, when does the live portion end? it has got to be months before the filmm opens.

    There's a sucker born every minute, and lucas has always found a way to take their credits.

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  97. First Movie Trailers??? by jsteven42 · · Score: 1

    "StarWars.com went online as a Web site in 1996 and showed one of the Web's first movie trailers two years later."
    One of the first trailers in 1998? Huh? I remember watching Disney trailers in my campus computer lab back in 1995. (The lab was the only way back then to get a decent connection for downloading larger files... These kids today have it easy!) Wasn't the media all over Lucas being one step behind for developing content for the web, or am I mistaken?

  98. Survey says...!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No-one cares.

  99. I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does Lucas know the last 2 films (er.. first two... er... you know what I mean) suck big-dead-giant-donkey-richard? I mean, does he employ anyone to tell him this?

    If not, perhaps we should send someone, *with a real camera*, to tell him face to face that everyone 4 years of age and older thinks Eps. 1 and 2 really stink... perhaps 12 hours of pre-recorded video of former fans chewing him out would jolt him out of his stupidity.

    I'd pay 20 bucks to see that.

  100. Re:The Matrix, our new Sci-Fi trilogy? No way! by pod · · Score: 0

    It COULD have been a good scene. But it was just a huge tease, which is probably why it felt so awkward and frustrating. I counted two sets of semi-visible nipples, for the price of two minutes of Neo's naked ass. Not to mention that it was completely pointless.

    Except, that, maybe unintentionally, it revealed a pretty dark side of Zion. It seemed like the leaders, Morpheus included, were somehow leading some sort of a cult, and putting up appearances to deceive the people. Yes, they kinda explained as much, but there was something more, like some kind of sick pep rally.

    Anyhow, I'm probably reading way too much into that scene.

    I also agree that the Smiths fight scene was silly. The music didn't help. I just wanted the whole thing to end, but it kept dragging on and on.

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    "Hot lesbian witches! It's fucking genius!"
  101. Prequels.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Err, hate to burst your bubble, but they already *made* the prequels.

    They're called The Animatrix (http://www.theanimatrix.com). 4 were freely downloadable, the others you'll have to wait or get them by other means (*wink* *wink*).

  102. I'll give you the same thing for free by rinks · · Score: 1

    Hold on, let me hang this green curtain up and point a webcam at it... there we go. Now dance, monkey!

    --
    My good looks paid for that pool, and my talent filled it with water.
  103. exacto ! George lucus has made what great movies? by zymano · · Score: 1
    Every starwars film after the original has been a step down.

    George lucus also directed American Grafitti. Ho-Hum.

    Not impressed.

  104. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They use blue screens, you dolt.

    1. Re:No. by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

      Actually they used to use blue screens, but anymore it's a green screen.

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  105. Re:/. pool? how about this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well for starters he can taste my giant throbbing cockus elongus

  106. Re:No....er, no by Cplus · · Score: 1

    Hmmm, troll?...anyway, a green screen works exactly the same way a blue screen works and they actually used green for the scenes I've seen shot in Star Wars (on the dvd bonuses that is).

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    "Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality." -- Dalai Lama
  107. simple solution: Boycott SW by claud9999 · · Score: 1

    I refused to go see EPII after being sorely disappointed with EPI [and, after borrowing a friend's DVD, was quite glad I skipped it...I could barely sit through it!] I loved EPIV-VI as a kid and still enjoy them [although EPVI started to slip into saccarine hell.]

    I will likely not buy the special edition EPIV-VI DVDs as well, although they (the ones shown in theaters) didn't totally change the feel of the movies and EPV is all that.

    Unluckily (as discussed elsewhere, probably to death) directors seem to feel that once they release an "improved" version, the original should no longer exist. (Case in point: Blade Runner.) All signs point to Lucas following this path, although the ET release with both versions might be a sign in the opposite direction.