I don't mean this to be flamebait or a troll, please don't read it this way.
I'm not sure about most people and can't speak for any of them, but I've personally never visited either the Linux map nor the Meta project.
For me (and millions of others?) the tried-and-true method of software distribution tarball, website, and all-important README file have been sufficient all these years.
Of course it's not efficient, it doesn't encourage searchability, etc... But it's what everybody uses and is used to.
I personally haven't seen enough discipline in the Open Source community with regards to a metadata project. The RM and Meta projects are great, but people need to use them.
Overanalyzing the definition of "OS".
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Is UNIX An OS?
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(wonder how many -1, Redundant's this will get:)
Operating System...
Quite literally:
In the context of computers, it is a System for Operation of the machine. Operating System.
Unix meets these requirements quite easily, and in many more ways than meets the eye [sic], elegantly.
...Would be a modified Linux kernel for the TiVo to mount its media partition via NFS.
Build a 4x60gb raid array on a 100mbit network and you're set...
Or, NFS-mount your friend's server across DSL or something (wonder if the throughput would allow that...). I can see it now, TiVo rings. Probably would be able to watch anything, anytime if it was implemented napster-style...
The more I think about it, the more I am bothered by what Napster has been doing. It's kind of bizarre because I understand and agree that it does help increase CD sales through exposure, etc.
It seems to me that others are beginning to feel the same way; I've already read several posts by users who have taken up with legitimate sources (emusic, for example) to ease their increasingly guilty consciences. Anybody else beginning to feal this way?
If you haven't used ethereal, its an extremely excellent packet sniffer... I remember showing Ethereal to some guys who did network troubleshooting for a living, and they were astounded. I highly recommend giving it a try.
Some answers? How would it be handled with all of those failed/aborted downloads? If it's 10 cents per track, and I get 65% of the track, do I get charged 6.5 cents?? How about charged based on a percentage of the bytes you downloaded? And pro-rate a new download based on the # of bytes you've already snarfed.
Also, how would they handle the initial population of files? Let the record labels populate the initial offering:)
My concerns:
There would definitely have to be strong authentication to back up the eCommerce aspect of it though.
Compensation: I guess that means peers can download stuff from other peers; but all the money goes to the labels! Should there be compensation for my bandwidth used if they download from me?!!?
While on the topic of IBM's contribution to Linux... If they gave a few S/390 boxes away to developers to use, we'd see quite the proliferation of Linux for S/390 software. That can only help Linux and IBM. Or, maybe they could do a test-drive program similar to what Compaq offers, basically you sign up to get an account on one of their machines running various flavors of Linux.
For those of you who might otherwise enjoy dissing this established hardware, make sure you know the facts:
There are millions of 'em in the world
In many environments management would appreciate the ability to migrate to something more unix-like
These things have awesome I/O bandwidth
65,536 IRQ's!
I've personally witnessed the first three points. Especially the third one; Linux on an LPAR boots in under a second. I also saw it dump 17,000 files out of a 160mb tarfile in 3 seconds (!). Now that's just damned fast.
Surely the cool factor is there (for how long?), but is this a good thing? I mean, we already have billboards everywhere on roadsides, banner ads on websites, etc. I, for one, am Sick-And-Tired(tm) of having (usually misrepresentative and misleading) marketing shoved in my face every fscking second.
My girlfriend even signed up with an online corp. that pays you to drive around with their sticker (!) on your car for a year... Not enough to fix a screwed paint job though...
What's next?
Advertising via disposable home products (paper plates, plastic spoons, dryer sheets, napkins, tampons, toilet paper [the last one might be quite rewarding IMHO]).
Haircuts come with an obligatory temporary neck tattoo sporting the salon (the women will kill this one off:)
The Moon (probably in negotiation as we type)
Free services with obligatory, permanent ad displays (think free cable TV with continuous scrolling banner ads along the bottom or top)
I'm begging for troll/flamebait status here, I just know it, but it needs to be said...
I have noticed that without organization and project support of GPL'ed code, the codebase dies and we all get upset.
Remember how excited we all got when they open-sourced mozilla? We all downloaded the source, went through the basic compile process and got a flimsy piece of crap (no offence Mozilla folks). Encouraged and motivated, we... Sat on our hands.
What happened? The management of the project was basically weak, and lacked community buy-in IMHO. The whole thing suffered (and still suffers, to some degree) from lack of leadership and a solid and focused development effort. Where is that great open-source browser we hoped to achieve? And after how many years of being open-sourced? (clue: it's been out there for nearly 30 months)
Contrast this with well-managed, truly noteworthy open-source project such as the linux kernel, apache, etc.
I swear people, MS will bury soffice if this is handled badly... It's a given. Where will MS Office be in two-and-a-half years?!?!??!!?!!! soffice will be a non-issue if we assle around with it for two-and-a-half years.
We need excellent project management and an organized development effort for this to succeed. I have never seen it mentioned anywhere, but I suspect ESR was embarrassed as hell after he talked Netscape into releasing the source, and the community dropped the ball (or at least that's how it seemed to me). It was setup very nicely, the quarterback had the ball, made a beautiful pass straight into the endzone... But nobody was there to catch it for the touchdown.
Everyone whip out your copy of The Cathedral and the Bazaar, turn to page 75, and read the section titled Epilogue: Netscape Embraces the Bazaar. Specifically, read the last three paragraphs of this section on pp. 77-78. I personally regard the last paragraph as "We will get other chances." Well, this might be it, boys and girls.
Sorry if I sound negative; but honestly, I want to see this succeed, and I take it very, very seriously. PLEASE, somebody figure out how and where this will be managed, and fast, or it will be another mozilla.
IANAD (I am not a developer), but I'll do all I can to support this (bug reports, OS-level admin stuff, etc.) and to make this work. So should we all, because we have to, if we're gonna win.
Warning: This post is LONG. As a former student of Clemson, I'd like to share a few unhappy facts about the university's allocation of resources.
Fact #1: DCIT is the Micro$oft of Clemson. They have traditionally been so clueless that the bigger colleges formed their own computing support infrastructures. A good example is the College of Engineering and Science. They have their own support infrastructure known as Engineering Computer Operations. They have all their own routers, computers, etc... All because DCIT couldn't deliver on competence and facilities in the past. To be fair, DCIT has improved service over the years-Cisco everywhere, for example. Campus-to-campus connections are now nice and fast.
Fact #2: Clemson's administration == clueless and deaf It is the administration and leadership (Duckenfield included) that live life without a clue. Just some background, and information, so that everyone has a little history. I arrived at clemson in 92 as an engineering major. I discovered these cool Sun workstations on a network NOT managed by DCIT that I could use to do gopher, and even some web browsing. I think that sometimes, you could go to a DCIT lab, and the dot matrix printers there might work. In 97 or so, they started introducing "resnet", which was ethernet in the dorms. It was only available in the two most expensive dorms (20-40% > other dorms), and cost $40/semester. The service was lousy but hey, it was a start. In 98, DCIT completed wiring the other dorms on campus, and elimintated the $40 setup fee. Suddenly there were around 5000-6000 new nodes on the campus network, full-time, surfing, ftp'ing mp3's, etc.
Clemson only had three T1's at that point. You do the math. You were lucky to get 800 *bytes per second* between 7am-3am. Imagine downloading Solaris patch clusters with that handicap.
Also in early 98, DCIT proposed (and the administration approved) a mandatory $50 "technology fee," to be paid yearly by all students in the interest of improving campus computing resources. Multiply that by 17000 students... $850000/year income from this alone!
Sounds like a great qualifier for funding more bandwidth, right? Wrong.
Everyone from the students to the deans fought tooth and nail to have the pipe upgraded. And in TWO YEARS (think internet time...) it never happened. "Not enough funds." (in the background, CHA-CHING CHA-CHING $850000/year). Many resnet users switched to faster 33.6k and 56k modems, using local ISP's, just to get better performance than on-campus ethernet.
When I left in may.99, they still only had three T1's. I understand they upgraded recently, not sure to what since I'm not there any more. In the meantime, DCIT has been blissfully upgrading all lab PC's every 6 months. I guess we know where the $850000 goes. Terrible management of resources!
Well I guess I'll end my rant. I'd go ahead and post about Clemson putting the firewall in between the dorms and the internet backwards (protecting the internet from the dorms!) and required all off-campus traffic to be authenticated agains their NDS tree--but I'm sure someone else will do it. If there's enough demand and I don't see it appear I'll post it later.
That can't possibly be true for all cases; ping is still broken for rh 6.1. Users are forced to backtrack to the version shipped with 6.0.
It is an undisputed fact that RH has been aware of this since October 7, 1999. Over three months on something as simple as/bin/ping, and no fix! I know for us do-it-yer-selfers it's trivial to force-downgrade to the one shipped with rh6.0, but let's be honest, redhat is not impressing new users with this behavior.
For those interested, it's Bugzilla bugid 5692, found here. Thanks, Josh
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I don't mean this to be flamebait or a troll, please don't read it this way.
I'm not sure about most people and can't speak for any of them, but I've personally never visited either the Linux map nor the Meta project.
For me (and millions of others?) the tried-and-true method of software distribution tarball, website, and all-important README file have been sufficient all these years.
Of course it's not efficient, it doesn't encourage searchability, etc... But it's what everybody uses and is used to.
I personally haven't seen enough discipline in the Open Source community with regards to a metadata project. The RM and Meta projects are great, but people need to use them.
(wonder how many -1, Redundant's this will get :)
Operating System...
Quite literally:
In the context of computers, it is a System for Operation of the machine. Operating System.
Unix meets these requirements quite easily, and in many more ways than meets the eye [sic], elegantly.
Code can also be found here.
What the hell does "what-hell" from "what-hell-does-tech-edge-mean" mean?
...Would be a modified Linux kernel for the TiVo to mount its media partition via NFS.
Build a 4x60gb raid array on a 100mbit network and you're set...
Or, NFS-mount your friend's server across DSL or something (wonder if the throughput would allow that...). I can see it now, TiVo rings. Probably would be able to watch anything, anytime if it was implemented napster-style...
The gotcha is the TiVo doesn't have ethernet...
The more I think about it, the more I am bothered by what Napster has been doing. It's kind of bizarre because I understand and agree that it does help increase CD sales through exposure, etc.
It seems to me that others are beginning to feel the same way; I've already read several posts by users who have taken up with legitimate sources (emusic, for example) to ease their increasingly guilty consciences.
Anybody else beginning to feal this way?
Ahhh! I'm a bastard, I made a redundant post:
Comment #74.
Ahhh! And I've even wasted more bandwidth being concerned about it...
Sorry about that...
Most microbes die in earth's atmosphere.
Ah! The atmosphere!
Ahhhhhhhhh, the atmosphere...!
Ahhhh.............................
If you haven't used ethereal, its an extremely excellent packet sniffer...
I remember showing Ethereal to some guys who did network troubleshooting for a living, and they were astounded. I highly recommend giving it a try.
How would it be handled with all of those failed/aborted downloads? If it's 10 cents per track, and I get 65% of the track, do I get charged 6.5 cents??
How about charged based on a percentage of the bytes you downloaded? And pro-rate a new download based on the # of bytes you've already snarfed.
Also, how would they handle the initial population of files?
Let the record labels populate the initial offering
My concerns:
- Celerons run @ 66MHz FSB today
- P3's run @ 133MHz FSB, soon-to-be 200 MHz
- Duron runs @ 200MHz FSB today
- Thunderbird runs @ 200MHz FSB today, soon-to-be 266MHz
Given these numbers, it looks as though Intel is placing the P3 to compete with the DuronSoon to be a duron-owner,
DragonWyatt
"...to conserve electrons, we're bringing it to you all in one easy-to-download package..."
A fterAll-Wyatt
Finally, an electron-conscientious poster!
Dragon-PerhapsTheElectronShortageRumorIsNotARumor
If they gave a few S/390 boxes away to developers to use, we'd see quite the proliferation of Linux for S/390 software. That can only help Linux and IBM. Or, maybe they could do a test-drive program similar to what Compaq offers, basically you sign up to get an account on one of their machines running various flavors of Linux.
For those of you who might otherwise enjoy dissing this established hardware, make sure you know the facts:
- There are millions of 'em in the world
- In many environments management would appreciate the ability to migrate to something more unix-like
- These things have awesome I/O bandwidth
- 65,536 IRQ's!
I've personally witnessed the first three points. Especially the third one; Linux on an LPAR boots in under a second. I also saw it dump 17,000 files out of a 160mb tarfile in 3 seconds (!). Now that's just damned fast.A Linux on 390 guy,
DragonWyatt
My girlfriend even signed up with an online corp. that pays you to drive around with their sticker (!) on your car for a year... Not enough to fix a screwed paint job though...
What's next?
- Advertising via disposable home products (paper plates, plastic spoons, dryer sheets, napkins, tampons, toilet paper [the last one might be quite rewarding IMHO]).
- Haircuts come with an obligatory temporary neck tattoo sporting the salon (the women will kill this one off
:) - The Moon (probably in negotiation as we type)
- Free services with obligatory, permanent ad displays (think free cable TV with continuous scrolling banner ads along the bottom or top)
Remember when all marketing WASN'T evil?Will cdrecord be able to talk to these devices?
Will there be an open-source tool to make filesystems for them?
I'm begging for troll/flamebait status here, I just know it, but it needs to be said...
I have noticed that without organization and project support of GPL'ed code, the codebase dies and we all get upset.
Remember how excited we all got when they open-sourced mozilla? We all downloaded the source, went through the basic compile process and got a flimsy piece of crap (no offence Mozilla folks). Encouraged and motivated, we... Sat on our hands.
What happened? The management of the project was basically weak, and lacked community buy-in IMHO. The whole thing suffered (and still suffers, to some degree) from lack of leadership and a solid and focused development effort. Where is that great open-source browser we hoped to achieve? And after how many years of being open-sourced? (clue: it's been out there for nearly 30 months)
Contrast this with well-managed, truly noteworthy open-source project such as the linux kernel, apache, etc.
I swear people, MS will bury soffice if this is handled badly... It's a given. Where will MS Office be in two-and-a-half years?!?!??!!?!!! soffice will be a non-issue if we assle around with it for two-and-a-half years.
We need excellent project management and an organized development effort for this to succeed. I have never seen it mentioned anywhere, but I suspect ESR was embarrassed as hell after he talked Netscape into releasing the source, and the community dropped the ball (or at least that's how it seemed to me). It was setup very nicely, the quarterback had the ball, made a beautiful pass straight into the endzone... But nobody was there to catch it for the touchdown.
Everyone whip out your copy of The Cathedral and the Bazaar, turn to page 75, and read the section titled Epilogue: Netscape Embraces the Bazaar. Specifically, read the last three paragraphs of this section on pp. 77-78. I personally regard the last paragraph as "We will get other chances." Well, this might be it, boys and girls.
Sorry if I sound negative; but honestly, I want to see this succeed, and I take it very, very seriously. PLEASE, somebody figure out how and where this will be managed, and fast, or it will be another mozilla.
IANAD (I am not a developer), but I'll do all I can to support this (bug reports, OS-level admin stuff, etc.) and to make this work. So should we all, because we have to, if we're gonna win.
Thanks for reading,
DragonWyatt
Warning: This post is LONG.
As a former student of Clemson, I'd like to share a few unhappy facts about the university's allocation of resources.
Fact #1: DCIT is the Micro$oft of Clemson.
They have traditionally been so clueless that the bigger colleges formed their own computing support infrastructures. A good example is the College of Engineering and Science. They have their own support infrastructure known as Engineering Computer Operations. They have all their own routers, computers, etc... All because DCIT couldn't deliver on competence and facilities in the past. To be fair, DCIT has improved service over the years-Cisco everywhere, for example. Campus-to-campus connections are now nice and fast.
Fact #2: Clemson's administration == clueless and deaf
It is the administration and leadership (Duckenfield included) that live life without a clue.
Just some background, and information, so that everyone has a little history. I arrived at clemson in 92 as an engineering major. I discovered these cool Sun workstations on a network NOT managed by DCIT that I could use to do gopher, and even some web browsing.
I think that sometimes, you could go to a DCIT lab, and the dot matrix printers there might work.
In 97 or so, they started introducing "resnet", which was ethernet in the dorms. It was only available in the two most expensive dorms (20-40% > other dorms), and cost $40/semester. The service was lousy but hey, it was a start. In 98, DCIT completed wiring the other dorms on campus, and elimintated the $40 setup fee. Suddenly there were around 5000-6000 new nodes on the campus network, full-time, surfing, ftp'ing mp3's, etc.
Clemson only had three T1's at that point. You do the math.
You were lucky to get 800 *bytes per second* between 7am-3am. Imagine downloading Solaris patch clusters with that handicap.
Also in early 98, DCIT proposed (and the administration approved) a mandatory $50 "technology fee," to be paid yearly by all students in the interest of improving campus computing resources. Multiply that by 17000 students... $850000/year income from this alone!
Sounds like a great qualifier for funding more bandwidth, right? Wrong.
Everyone from the students to the deans fought tooth and nail to have the pipe upgraded. And in TWO YEARS (think internet time...) it never happened. "Not enough funds." (in the background, CHA-CHING CHA-CHING $850000/year).
Many resnet users switched to faster 33.6k and 56k modems, using local ISP's, just to get better performance than on-campus ethernet.
When I left in may.99, they still only had three T1's. I understand they upgraded recently, not sure to what since I'm not there any more. In the meantime, DCIT has been blissfully upgrading all lab PC's every 6 months. I guess we know where the $850000 goes. Terrible management of resources!
Well I guess I'll end my rant. I'd go ahead and post about Clemson putting the firewall in between the dorms and the internet backwards (protecting the internet from the dorms!) and required all off-campus traffic to be authenticated agains their NDS tree--but I'm sure someone else will do it. If there's enough demand and I don't see it appear I'll post it later.
Thanks,
DragonWyatt
That can't possibly be true for all cases; ping is still broken for rh 6.1. Users are forced to backtrack to the version shipped with 6.0.
/bin/ping, and no fix! I know for us do-it-yer-selfers it's trivial to force-downgrade to the one shipped with rh6.0, but let's be honest, redhat is not impressing new users with this behavior.
It is an undisputed fact that RH has been aware of this since October 7, 1999.
Over three months on something as simple as
For those interested, it's Bugzilla bugid 5692, found here.
Thanks,
Josh