Because Google wants to sell hardware, and what they announced today isn't going to get that done by itself. So, let's put some "exclusive" software on our underwhelming hardware too!
If robocallers can't be fucked with actually dialing my number and knowing jack shit about me before placing a call I don't want, then I don't want to waste my time answering it.
I don't care what banality I'm doing when they call, answering their call is a waste of my time. Wasting my time is rude, so why should they get any better than what they give?
The point is that all of the above, and several more, make cars that target that price point, and are profitable doing it. Otherwise they wouldn't do it. Nobody makes a luxury car as a loss-leader.
Auto industry sales are only counted on delivery. This is why Tesla (and every other manufacturer) makes a distinction between "pre-orders", "vehicles in transit" and "sales".
Nothing short of a perfect full-autonomous driving system (which doesn't exist) is going to prevent a bad, inattentive driver from being bad, or inattentive.
If the bad, inattentive driver is using Autopilot on any road with a bike lane, then they are not using it properly. It is for divided restricted-access highway use only. And if they are bad, and inattentive, then they are going to run into people in a bike lane regardless of the car they are driving.
If his car, when on autopilot, kept trying to drive into a concrete divider on a certain section of road "every time he passed it" why the fuck was he still using autopilot on that section of road, or at all?
Sounds like a person with poor decision making skills, or the story is incorrect.
Since the Model 3 is currently only available in North America, quoting global per-capita income is completely useless and a waste of everybody's time. Someone's income in a central African nation has no bearing on what car I'm going to buy with my income, and you don't get to tell me how to spend the money that I earn, just like I don't pretend to tell you what to do with your income.
Further, if 0.001% of 8 billion people can afford a Tesla, then that still leaves 8 million cars to sell in that market segment. Sounds like a good place to make some sales, which is why there are so many manufacturers targeting that price point: Acura, Audi, BMW, Cadillac, Infiniti, Jaguar, Lexus, Lincoln, Mercedes, Tesla, Volvo, etc.
Stop talking about global income and how that is in any way relevant to Tesla, or any other car manufacturer at all. You just look like an idiot.
The situation you describe, in any ICE-powered car that isn't turned on: You bump the acceleration pedal and nothing happens.
The situation you describe, in a Tesla Model 3 that "automatically turns on" when you sit in the driver's seat with either a paired / keyed phone or have the card key thing on the center console: You bump the acceleration pedal and nothing happens.
Hint: you have to put ANY car into "gear" before it actually goes. The Model 3 has a "drive" selector you must use before it will go, both for this critical safety feature as well as "are you going forward, or in reverse?"
If you're fiddling around with the kids in the back seat with ANY car in gear, then you're looking to hit a building with your car and you are endangering your children.
Automatic headlights and wipers have been a thing for like 15 years now from many manufacturers. But because Tesla, all of a sudden it's a problem?
I've touched the headlight control in my BMW less than 5 times in 8 years, and it's always because someone at the service department turned the switch off. I use the wiper stalk a bit more frequently, but not much as those stay on automatic as well. Maybe once a month.
They may have gone a bit overboard with all the touchscreen stuff, but you're complaining about things that were solved long ago.
You should probably inform Acura, Infiniti, Audi, BMW, Lexus, and Mercedes that their market is about to dry up then.
Why is this only a problem for Tesla, again? Is it just because you're a hater and can't see actual market statistics?
There actually is a pretty big market for $65k cars, which is why there are plenty of options at that price point. If the market wasn't there, it wouldn't have so many people competing for it. It's just slightly possible that you are a massive idiot, and that all those companies know a great deal more about it than you do.
Even with those numbers pulled straight from your transverse colon, that's still around 8,000,000 cars; or 24x as many as Tesla has shipped in it's entire existence, even without the standard range Model 3 that costs ~30% less.
How does that mean that they're running out of customers again?
They've sold every single Model 3 coming out of the factory for a year and they haven't even covered the demand from two countries.
The premise of your statement is incorrect, as well as the statement itself being incorrect. Your premise states that one must be "rich" to buy a Tesla, yet it's the 3rd highest selling sedan in the US right now. Does that mean that everyone in the US that is buying a car is "rich"? Or are you playing the game where you say that they're all rich because you are comparing their income in a post-industrial nation with a pre-industrial economy in a nation locked in civil war for 20 years 6,000 miles away?
Second, if they were "running out of rich people" in North America, they'd start loading cars onto boats destined for Europe. Or Asia. Which they aren't doing. Are you saying there aren't rich people in Europe and Asia, and that somehow all the rich people are in the US and Canada? Or that there aren't any boats available? Or that they can't figure out how to drive the trucks carrying them to a dock?
I know your thing is to troll people, but you really can do better than that.
No. I'd be happy with a proper accounting of the costs, rather than not accounting for it at all for over a hundred years and letting the problems be paid for by other people.
Isn't it the libertarian credo that the market should be able to decide? So let's make it an even market and have the polluter pay. Get rid of all subsidy, be it direct or indirect.
Yeah, except at some point there needs to be a level of trust that doesn't fundamentally break the Internet for the average user.
What's the difference between "blindly trusting" a CA that the browser already has loaded into it's certificate trust store, versus John Q. Public mashing the "trust" button blindly for the 37th time since getting their new computer and having to trust all the CAs that usually are loaded into the browser's certificate trust store?
There is no more security with what you suggest, just more dialog spam making it easier for a compromised or false CA to sneak in, a la Android permissions requesting from applications that everyone ignores and just grants. With the current system, we can at least say that we trust Google / Apple / Microsoft / Mozilla to curate the CA list.
... and the mole people. Don't forget the mole people.
Just as soon as you overlook the mole people, that's when they strike. Then we're looking at a worldwide shortage of turnips and beets, and you'll have your own lack of vigilance to thank.
California does have the ability to regulate vehicle registrations and licensing. Don't have the required emissions equipment? Then you don't pass the registration inspection, and you cannot get plates for the vehicle.
His point is that there are a whole lot of people that prattle on about what "we" need to do to stave off global disaster, but can't be fucked to do the same themselves.
The rant about Millennials is a distraction - there are plenty of hypocrites from each and every generation from the millenials to the octogenarians roaming the halls of Congress. No generation has a lock on hypocrisy, and never has.
That is a concept that many around here have been arguing for some time. The classical argument against renewable energy sources is that "they are more expensive" - which is only true if non-renewable (read: coal, gas, oil) are allowed to externalize waste disposal (read: stack emissions).
If the incumbent fossil fuel energy generation was required to factor those costs into per-kWh generation costs, I'd bet that technologies that don't put any of that crap into the air would be far more favorable, if not outright winners without subsidy.
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Because Google wants to sell hardware, and what they announced today isn't going to get that done by itself. So, let's put some "exclusive" software on our underwhelming hardware too!
If robocallers can't be fucked with actually dialing my number and knowing jack shit about me before placing a call I don't want, then I don't want to waste my time answering it.
I don't care what banality I'm doing when they call, answering their call is a waste of my time. Wasting my time is rude, so why should they get any better than what they give?
If there were supposedly thousands of these things sold to various customers all over the place, how is it that nobody kept one for forensic analysis?
How is there not one live example if all these networks and servers were compromised?
The point is that all of the above, and several more, make cars that target that price point, and are profitable doing it. Otherwise they wouldn't do it. Nobody makes a luxury car as a loss-leader.
Auto industry sales are only counted on delivery. This is why Tesla (and every other manufacturer) makes a distinction between "pre-orders", "vehicles in transit" and "sales".
Nothing short of a perfect full-autonomous driving system (which doesn't exist) is going to prevent a bad, inattentive driver from being bad, or inattentive.
If the bad, inattentive driver is using Autopilot on any road with a bike lane, then they are not using it properly. It is for divided restricted-access highway use only. And if they are bad, and inattentive, then they are going to run into people in a bike lane regardless of the car they are driving.
If his car, when on autopilot, kept trying to drive into a concrete divider on a certain section of road "every time he passed it" why the fuck was he still using autopilot on that section of road, or at all?
Sounds like a person with poor decision making skills, or the story is incorrect.
Since the Model 3 is currently only available in North America, quoting global per-capita income is completely useless and a waste of everybody's time. Someone's income in a central African nation has no bearing on what car I'm going to buy with my income, and you don't get to tell me how to spend the money that I earn, just like I don't pretend to tell you what to do with your income.
Further, if 0.001% of 8 billion people can afford a Tesla, then that still leaves 8 million cars to sell in that market segment. Sounds like a good place to make some sales, which is why there are so many manufacturers targeting that price point: Acura, Audi, BMW, Cadillac, Infiniti, Jaguar, Lexus, Lincoln, Mercedes, Tesla, Volvo, etc.
Stop talking about global income and how that is in any way relevant to Tesla, or any other car manufacturer at all. You just look like an idiot.
The situation you describe, in any ICE-powered car that isn't turned on:
You bump the acceleration pedal and nothing happens.
The situation you describe, in a Tesla Model 3 that "automatically turns on" when you sit in the driver's seat with either a paired / keyed phone or have the card key thing on the center console:
You bump the acceleration pedal and nothing happens.
Hint: you have to put ANY car into "gear" before it actually goes. The Model 3 has a "drive" selector you must use before it will go, both for this critical safety feature as well as "are you going forward, or in reverse?"
If you're fiddling around with the kids in the back seat with ANY car in gear, then you're looking to hit a building with your car and you are endangering your children.
Automatic headlights and wipers have been a thing for like 15 years now from many manufacturers. But because Tesla, all of a sudden it's a problem?
I've touched the headlight control in my BMW less than 5 times in 8 years, and it's always because someone at the service department turned the switch off. I use the wiper stalk a bit more frequently, but not much as those stay on automatic as well. Maybe once a month.
They may have gone a bit overboard with all the touchscreen stuff, but you're complaining about things that were solved long ago.
Stale data is stale.
Did you even look at the date at the top?
You should probably inform Acura, Infiniti, Audi, BMW, Lexus, and Mercedes that their market is about to dry up then.
Why is this only a problem for Tesla, again? Is it just because you're a hater and can't see actual market statistics?
There actually is a pretty big market for $65k cars, which is why there are plenty of options at that price point. If the market wasn't there, it wouldn't have so many people competing for it. It's just slightly possible that you are a massive idiot, and that all those companies know a great deal more about it than you do.
Why sell a car for $40k with less margin when you can't even fill the orders you have at $60k?
Seems like reasonable business to me.
Even with those numbers pulled straight from your transverse colon, that's still around 8,000,000 cars; or 24x as many as Tesla has shipped in it's entire existence, even without the standard range Model 3 that costs ~30% less.
How does that mean that they're running out of customers again?
They've sold every single Model 3 coming out of the factory for a year and they haven't even covered the demand from two countries.
The premise of your statement is incorrect, as well as the statement itself being incorrect. Your premise states that one must be "rich" to buy a Tesla, yet it's the 3rd highest selling sedan in the US right now. Does that mean that everyone in the US that is buying a car is "rich"? Or are you playing the game where you say that they're all rich because you are comparing their income in a post-industrial nation with a pre-industrial economy in a nation locked in civil war for 20 years 6,000 miles away?
Second, if they were "running out of rich people" in North America, they'd start loading cars onto boats destined for Europe. Or Asia. Which they aren't doing. Are you saying there aren't rich people in Europe and Asia, and that somehow all the rich people are in the US and Canada? Or that there aren't any boats available? Or that they can't figure out how to drive the trucks carrying them to a dock?
I know your thing is to troll people, but you really can do better than that.
No. I'd be happy with a proper accounting of the costs, rather than not accounting for it at all for over a hundred years and letting the problems be paid for by other people.
Isn't it the libertarian credo that the market should be able to decide? So let's make it an even market and have the polluter pay. Get rid of all subsidy, be it direct or indirect.
A current model CPU games better than a 5 year old competitor. Well that's a glowing endorsement...
Is this the new version of the cows go mooooo moo moo cows guy?
The cows / mooo thing was funnier. You're just pathetic. Sad.
Yeah, except at some point there needs to be a level of trust that doesn't fundamentally break the Internet for the average user.
What's the difference between "blindly trusting" a CA that the browser already has loaded into it's certificate trust store, versus John Q. Public mashing the "trust" button blindly for the 37th time since getting their new computer and having to trust all the CAs that usually are loaded into the browser's certificate trust store?
There is no more security with what you suggest, just more dialog spam making it easier for a compromised or false CA to sneak in, a la Android permissions requesting from applications that everyone ignores and just grants. With the current system, we can at least say that we trust Google / Apple / Microsoft / Mozilla to curate the CA list.
... and the mole people. Don't forget the mole people.
Just as soon as you overlook the mole people, that's when they strike. Then we're looking at a worldwide shortage of turnips and beets, and you'll have your own lack of vigilance to thank.
Won't you please think of the turnips and beets?!
California does have the ability to regulate vehicle registrations and licensing. Don't have the required emissions equipment? Then you don't pass the registration inspection, and you cannot get plates for the vehicle.
His point is that there are a whole lot of people that prattle on about what "we" need to do to stave off global disaster, but can't be fucked to do the same themselves.
The rant about Millennials is a distraction - there are plenty of hypocrites from each and every generation from the millenials to the octogenarians roaming the halls of Congress. No generation has a lock on hypocrisy, and never has.
That is a concept that many around here have been arguing for some time. The classical argument against renewable energy sources is that "they are more expensive" - which is only true if non-renewable (read: coal, gas, oil) are allowed to externalize waste disposal (read: stack emissions).
If the incumbent fossil fuel energy generation was required to factor those costs into per-kWh generation costs, I'd bet that technologies that don't put any of that crap into the air would be far more favorable, if not outright winners without subsidy.
Is there a lot of hot water flowing out of wind turbines?
No? Then what the fuck are you even talking about.
You know what also takes away from the natural beauty the Great Lakes give?
Cleveland.
Let's do something about that, and it will also reduce energy demand making the wind farms unnecessary!