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Intel Debuts 9th-Gen Core Chips, Including Core i9 and X-Series Parts, With a Few Twists (pcworld.com)

Intel unveiled its 9th-generation Core desktop chips, with the notable omission of a key feature: Hyper-Threading, at least on all but the most exclusive Core i9-9900K for mainstream PCs. Hyper-Threading has also been reserved for a new iteration of Intel's X-series processors, which includes up to 18 cores and 36 threads. From a report: In a livestream Monday morning from its Fall Launch Event in New York, the company announced just a single Core i9 chip, the $488 Core i9-9900K. Later, the company privately revealed two others in the Core i7 and Core i5 families. Intel also announced a new series of X-class chips, ranging from 8 cores and 16 threads through 18 cores and 36 threads. Prices will range from $589 to $1,979.

It's certainly fair to say that Intel surprised us all with the unexpected shift of its upcoming 28-core chip to the Xeon family, as well as the announcement of the X-series chips, too. And what's the deal with hyperthreading? Intel's announcement certainly adds some new topics to talk about in the months ahead. Part of the confusion was due to what Intel was expected to announce: a family of new 9th-gen chips, from Core i3s up through the Core i9, and how it did so. On the publicly available livestream, the company revealed only the presence of the Core i9-9900K, as well as the presence of the new X-series parts. Later, after the livestream had concluded, Intel fleshed out the remaining members of the K-series parts, and disclosed the price and performance of the X-series parts.

However, Intel didn't even mention what many enthusiasts wanted to know: why only the i9-9900K, out of all of Intel's mainstream parts, boasts the Hyper-Threading feature.
Further reading: Intel claims best gaming processor with 9th Gen Core unveiling.

160 comments

  1. IIRC... by InfiniteBlaze · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hyperthreading is at least partly to blame for the serious security flaws in nearly every processor produced over the last two decades. The 9900K still has it because some people value speed over security. https://www.itnews.com.au/news...

    1. Re:IIRC... by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      Hyperthreading is at least partly to blame for the serious security flaws in nearly every processor produced over the last two decades. The 9900K still has it because some people value speed over security.

      https://www.itnews.com.au/news...

      no that was speculative execution where it would guess what the code was going to do do it then throw it away if it was wrong but want actually trowing away and would reach into restricted parts of memory. hyper threading is more like task switching.

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    2. Re:IIRC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Read and learn:

      We’ve seen over the past few months that the Meltdown and Spectre flaws were not a one-time vulnerability that we could patch once and then forget about. Multiple Spectre-like speculative execution flaws have been found since Meltdown and Spectre was revealed earlier this year, and chances are we’ll continue to see more of them until the entire class of speculative execution bugs are fixed at the CPU architecture level.

      de Raadt also believes that Hyper-Threading itself will exacerbate most of the speculative execution bugs in the future, which is why now is the best time to disable it. He also recommended updating your BIOS firmware if you can.

      https://www.tomshardware.com/news/disable-intel-hyper-threading-security,37690.html

    3. Re:IIRC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hyper threading requires speculative execution.

    4. Re:IIRC... by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The 9900K still has it because some people value speed over security.

      Lots of people value speed over security. This is why some people buy motorcycles over Volvos. Or keycards over keys. It is often a valid choice. It is also why the Specter and meltdown mitigations are switchable in Linux. I have turned them off on some internal servers where security is less important. That can also save heat waste and power. Absolutes are often a bad thing...

    5. Re:IIRC... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

      Absolutes are often a bad thing...

      Absolutes are never a bad thing.

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    6. Re:IIRC... by edtice1559 · · Score: 2

      Why does hyper threading require speculative execution? I'm not up to date on the latest in hyper-threading but the idea is that if you have an integer unit and a floating point unit, hyper-threading lets you treat them as two cores. If the OS implements this well, you can get some additional performance. If not it can actually be worse. The article liked to in the grandparent *speculates* that this may yield a useful timing attack. But so far not has been found.

    7. Re:IIRC... by mysidia · · Score: 3, Informative

      It sounds like you only heard about Meltdown but not the issues related to Foreshadow a.k.a the L1 Terminal Fault (L1TF)

      For some attacks: disabling Hyperthreading is necessary to completely mitigate.

    8. Re:IIRC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong, for example Power6 was an in-order processor with 2 threads per core.

    9. Re:IIRC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with hyperthreading is that it shares so much more state with its peers on the same core, so any covert channel you can establish through subtle manipulation of cache, TLB, and register state is more reliable than when attempting the same thing across cores.

      Most of the attacks involve at least two threads, one poking around the edges of "something you shouldn't know" and the other(s) scouring the shared state of the machine to catch glimpses of what has leaked out. The spectre family of attacks takes advantage of state leaked through speculative execution, where a thread causes side-effects on the CPU prior to being stopped and rolled back to a "safe" state but still leaving these telltale side-effects to be seen by another thread.

    10. Re:IIRC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to this presentation:

      "Used indirect branches & return-oriented programming to mis-train branch target buffer to obtain information from different hyper-thread on same core"
      http://research.cs.wisc.edu/multifacet/papers/hill_mark_wisconsin_meltdown_spectre.pdf

      So, this would seem to indicate that hyper-threads running on the same core have access to each other's memory buffer

      That _seems_ like a fairly significant security issue

    11. Re:IIRC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It absolutely does not.

      https://www.broadcom.com/products/embedded-and-networking-processors/communications/xlr500

      in order, single issue, 4 way SMT.

    12. Re:IIRC... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      This! hyper threading can be disabled on every chip that ships with it. I'd prefer the option to be available, ... knowing full well I won't exercise it on any of my machines due to the nature of the security flaw and it's difficulty to exploit without direct access.

    13. Re:IIRC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutes are often a bad thing...

      Absolutes are never a bad thing.

      Absolutes are always a bad thing.

      And finally...
      The goodness or badness of a thing cannot be ascertained absolutely until it is observed.

    14. Re:IIRC... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      but the idea is that if you have an integer unit and a floating point unit, hyper-threading lets you treat them as two cores.
      No, that is not the idea.
      How would that work?

      The floating point "core" suddenly is able to interpret integer instructions? A magical process is translating integer instructions to floating point instructions, so the FPU can execute them? Another magic knows that 100.0 +1.0 is not 100.99999 and transforms it magically back into an int with the value of 100?

      Hyperthreading works by having every register 2 times. While one thread e.g. is waiting for a register to be filled from memory, the other thread can do register to register arithmetic. Ofc there are more things that can be paralleled ...

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    15. Re:IIRC... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The attack vector is extremely limited anyway.

      To exploit Specter and Meltdown an attacker needs physical or remote access to the machine to install a "malware" to exploit it. And needs a way to run that malware, as in remote access.

      A typical server would have no access from the internet besides HTTP or what ever protocol you expose.

      My Mac is a little bit vulnerable because in theory one could have a Javascript exploiting one of the two, but that is so hypothetical, I doubt anyone will ever be able to actually steal some sensitive data from my Mac with that.

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    16. Re:IIRC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Hyperthreading duplicates the most commonly used areas of each core so that common tasks can run in parallel as though there were twice as many cores.

    17. Re:IIRC... by InfiniteBlaze · · Score: 1

      My familiarity with all of the different vulnerabilities that have been exposed over the last couple of years is cursory at best. Too much time spent on mitigation, too little on education. "Here, apply this...wait, no that one makes it worse do this...no wait, don't apply any patches...you already did? Guess you need a whole new motherboard and processor..."

    18. Re:IIRC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutes are often a bad thing...

      Absolutes are never a bad thing.

      Only a Sith would say that!

    19. Re:IIRC... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Too much time spent on mitigation, too little on education.

      Well, there you have it, exactly.... the patches are mitigations, but none has been a complete fix, and there's still a problem,
      and L1TF was exploitable by what could be a malicious actor in some virtualization scenarios, even with all the patches, and
      blocking hyperthreading turns out to be required to fully close the vuln: at least until new CPUs come out.

      My suspicion is i9-9900K comes as a Desktop-Only Processor with this known caveat. The exploitability caused by hyperthreading wasn't an issue in physical desktop deployments, because they're single-tenant: each CPU socket only has one Operating System Environment executing on it,
      or perhaps One host environment and one virtual tenant... so it's not like tricking VM software on a desktop to provide one VM intermittent access to another VM's memory will be an issue for most consumer user scenarios.

  2. A tech news story? On slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I come here for global warming and trump articles, not tech news.

  3. Best gaming CPU = best single threaded performance by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 2

    From someone who buys lots of CPUs from both Intel and AMD: Intel is still the single thread champ. Know Thy Workload and always use the best tool for each job.

  4. 10th Gen by ThurstonMoore · · Score: 1

    Theyâ(TM)ll add hyperthreading back for the 10th Gen, which will be the 5th variant of Skylake.

    1. Re:10th Gen by Orrin+Bloquy · · Score: 1

      What exactly makes you type a curly quote apostrophe when you post on Slashdot (which for some reason still cannot into Unicode)? I"m not picking on you, it's just that none of my browsers automatically substitute these characters and this makes me curious.

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    2. Re:10th Gen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The other two AC replies you got didn't answer your question at all :-(

      I'm not the original poster, but I strongly suspect it was a post from IOS (ex. an iPhone). On IOS, Settings -> General -> Keyboards -> Smart Punctuation, causes some punctuation (ex. quotes) to be automatically replaced by more typographically appropriate alternatives (like curly quotes). See here for info on that: https://www.jordanmerrick.com/posts/ios-11-smart-punctuation

      He may be using something else, but some feature like that is likely the culprit. Of course, this could be preventable or automatically fixed by slashdot. Fault is really shared by:
      * the user (between preview and the option to disable that feature, they can address this directly)
      * IOS for automatically changing the text written without any good notice to the user
      * slashdot for not supporting UTF8 in comments (support it or don't; the current behavior is broken)
      * slashdot for not enforcing ASCII only in comments (detect and prevent on the review; strip them or error out on submit)

    3. Re:10th Gen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm the original poster and it was posted from iOS, this post is from Windows.

    4. Re:10th Gen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BTW, did I just get called a snowflake because of the ' I used? If so, fuck you. Only the biggest of dickheads calls people snowflakes anymore.

    5. Re:10th Gen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shit. Every time I see someone write "fuck you" I remember George Carlin. (sigh) I'm hoping someday someone who never heard of him writes that and follows it with "Those cocksuckers..."

  5. Spectre, Meltdown, Backdoors required by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm not buying unless it's overpriced, has both Spectre and Meltdown flaws, and the built-in Intel Management Engine backdoor.

    These are the features I demand as an Intel fanboy who pays more for less so I can merit putting the Intel Inside sticker on my desktop case for all to see.

    1. Re:Spectre, Meltdown, Backdoors required by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3, Informative
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  6. Deletion of hyperthreading known in July by michaelmalak · · Score: 2
  7. Who would buy this crap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until they fix it Im buying AMD. If they are unable to fix it then thats too fucking bad for intel.

  8. 9 & X by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 0
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  9. Re:Best gaming CPU = best single threaded performa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but which one is the best? Certainly i9s are a waste of money on gaming related scenarios?

    More to the point, which current offering is the i7 2600K of years past (not too expensive and overclocks like crazy?)

  10. Not intererested in new processors for a while now by xack · · Score: 1

    Until alll chip manufacturers can get their small nanometers working reliably and Windows 7 support is restored there is no reason to upgrade. Removing features has been going on for a while now. Look at how many computers still come with 32GB storage when back in 2004 40GB hard drives were considered low end. Any true performance increases will be eaten up by millenialscript apps anyway..

  11. Considering this is the same 14nm process... by OwP_Fabricated · · Score: 2

    ...what kind of housefires are these things gonna be? They almost certainly went back to solder because toothpaste wasn't going to cut it for these chips to even work. The last AMD processor I bought was an X2 4200+ something like 10 years ago, but I think they're going to get my business back because I'm not paying a premium for a hotplate running the zillionth tweaked version of an architecture we've had for the better part of a decade.*

    1. Re:Considering this is the same 14nm process... by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      Platform TDPs that have to be targeted have been fixed for like 15 years. No one could sell a hotter SKU without defining a new platform to use it.

  12. Re:Not intererested in new processors for a while by locopuyo · · Score: 1

    No computers come with only 32gb of storage. Windows wouldn't even fit.

  13. Thermal Profile and Hyperthreading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The peak power generation is reduced but the mode remains the same when you turn off the hyperthreading. It all improves further if you remove the hyperthreading logic altogether. This helps improve margins for silicon lifetime. Your Apple ][ might work well after 35 years, but running a current gen 14nm at full load is warranteed for 10 years. Reducing the peak load extends the worst case, full load lifetime.

    This is not simple engineering. There are many factors that go into identifying the distribution of lifetime of a circuit and it's done for every circuit.

    TL;DR - These non-hyperthreading parts are more reliable than their hyperthreading brethren, when driven hard.

  14. Re:Best gaming CPU = best single threaded performa by Nidi62 · · Score: 0

    The important question is how will this affect the price of current processors, and whether those will come into effect by the time cyber monday rolls around and I'm buying a new gaming PC. Inquiring minds want to know. And so many places are pushing AMD now, but my gut is telling me to still stick with Intel, even though AMD is slightly cheaper.

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  15. I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by Jahoda · · Score: 4, Informative

    Man, like many slashdotters, I used to be firmly AMD prior to the Core-series of processors. Since then, my last 3 desktops since ~2007 have been Intel.

    . The fact is that at this moment, the single thread performance of Intel's chips, and their performance per-core is unmatched. If you're doing anything with multimedia, such as x265 encoding, video editing, whatever, Intel is still the best.

    But the fact is that AMD is coming with more cores, and higher clocks, and lower cost. And they are rapidly reaching the tipping point where 24 of their cores for $500 bucks make a lot more sense than 6 of Intel's for $500 bucks.

    All I am seeing from Intel's 9th generation is an upward-rebrand of all their parts, eliminating the Celeron. And, a continued artificial scarcity of cores and PCI bandwidth to push customers up into the Xeon lines...

    , this coming from a company that apparently can't get to 10nm until next year, and is facing major supply issues....

    Well, all these things do not bode well for Intel.

    1. Re: I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And you don't even mention Meltdown, to which AMD CPUs are invulnerable.

    2. Re:I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by gman003 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Single-threaded benchmarks put Zen and *Lake at the same IPC. AMD wins some benchmarks, Intel wins some. That's why Intel had to shit out these high-clock parts - while first-gen Ryzen had a pretty low clock ceiling, second-gen Ryzen matched the contemporary eighth-gen Core series. These chips here are only faster than Ryzen in single-threaded performance because they're clocked to the absolute limit.

      And across the entire spectrum, AMD is matching or winning on core count, and treats SMT as a near-standard feature (only excluded on the bottom-end R3s) instead of a top-end halo feature (now present only on i9s).

    3. Re: I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Big fucking deal. My ATtiny85 isn't vulnerable to Meltdown either, nor is my ATmega328P.

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    4. Re:I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      The single-threaded performance mattered a lot on dual-core and some on quad-core. But on an six/eight-core chip it's like yeah you're going full throttle on 12-16% of the processor, it's basically a huge waste unless it absolutely has to be done in one thread. I switched to Ryzen and I've not had any reason to regret it. Playing at 4K you're usually GPU limited anyway, while the few times I really do push my CPU encoding or something like that all the threads start firing up.

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    5. Re:I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      If you're doing anything with multimedia, such as x265 encoding, video editing, whatever, Intel is still the best.

      Still the best for certain single-threaded tasks, sure. Those things you mentioned, however... are highly parallelizable... and also depend greatly on compiler optimizations (Zen being a new architecture and all that).

      The long and the short of it... is you're talking out your ass.

    6. Re:I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by Tim12s · · Score: 1

      They left off the security checks. Of course they're quicker.

    7. Re:I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      If you're doing anything with multimedia, such as x265 encoding, video editing, whatever, Intel is still the best.

      That's a nice absolute, but suffers the same problem with all absolutes, it's wrong. Especially in video editing there's plenty of use of multi-threading, and my processor happily pegs the 100% mark on all cores when exporting video in H.265 in Premier.

    8. Re: I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      And you don't even mention Meltdown, to which AMD CPUs are invulnerable.

      Probably because meltdown is completely irrelevant to nearly all users.

    9. Re: I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My ATtiny85 isn't vulnerable to Meltdown either, nor is my ATmega328P.

      Shock and awe: those aren't the result of mishandled Unicode characters. Knowing how Slashdot handles curly quotes, that was my first thought on seeing a weird mess of character mashed together.

    10. Re: I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you don't even mention Meltdown, to which AMD CPUs are invulnerable

      Starting with the 9th gen, so are Intel CPUs.

    11. Re:I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Single-threaded performance is what some games still crave. Thats why Intel still wins.

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    12. Re:I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by gman003 · · Score: 1

      Not really? Like, older games, sure, single-threaded all the way, although they obviously don't push modern hardware much. But the current console generation runs eight wimpy cores - you just can't make a demanding single-threaded game and have a console release. And PCs have been multicore for even longer, so even PC-only games are multithreaded if they're at all pushing the hardware (lots of indie games just aren't pushing enough to *need* multithreading, but they also don't demand top-notch performance anyways). So what games are there that need a powerful modern system to run, but are still heavily single-threaded?

    13. Re:I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Consoles have many games running at 30 fps. So if you want 60 or even 100 on the PC you do need a high single thread performance, and because these games are made for multiple cores you now need both a high single thread performance and many cores/threads as seen on the i7 2600K and such.
      You aren't going to get away with that just because console CPUs suck / are old.

      There's always one or two CPU threads that are more demanding than all others.

    14. Re:I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you trying to say that AMD and Consoles (which are mostly also AMD) can only reach 30FPS while Intel reaches 60 FPS? WTF have you been smoking? Intel ShillTurds?

    15. Re: I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably not for long though. Being limited to mostly quad core on desktop, wasn't a lot of motivation to push multithreaded performance for systems with more than 4 cores. That changes as 8/16 core becomes common, you can't leave that performance boost on the table.

    16. Re:I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      How big of a deal is 5% better single core performance though, especially when you are being hit with Spectre/Meltdown mitigation and really need to disable hyperthreading too?

      Very few tasks are going to benefit from that slightly higher single core performance, because anything that would will get parallelized as soon as possible. It's really just some older games that will run great anyway.

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    17. Re:I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I'm saying that consoles only reach 30 fps and to get the game running really fast on a PC you need a fucking powerful CPU both in single-thread and the number of threads. i7 2600K is an example, Intel i7 6700K or i7 8600K, AMD Ryzen 1600, Ryzen 2600 or even Ryzen 2400G would be other examples.

    18. Re:I love Intel performance per/clock, but... by nasch · · Score: 2

      And they are rapidly reaching the tipping point where 24 of their cores for $500 bucks make a lot more sense than 6 of Intel's for $500 bucks.

      Only if your work is heavily parallel. If the process you're running can only make use of 4 or 6 cores anyway, the other 18 aren't going to do much good. There is no need to reply just to say that your workload can in fact make use of 24 cores. That's fine. I'm just saying that adding a whole bunch of cores is not equivalent to making the cores faster in the general case. I'd rather have four really fast cores than 24 slower ones. Of course, I'd also rather not pay 500 bucks for a processor, but that's neither here nor there.

  16. Re:A tech news story? On slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here I can fix this up.

    In this charged political climate amongst charges of sexual allegations; Intel has decided to strip out a feature that was key to helping fight global climate change. Democratic senators are currently reviewing their options to bring allegations against the once former tech giant.

    How did I do?

  17. Re:Not intererested in new processors for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chromebooks come with that much storage.

  18. Re: Not intererested in new processors for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trivially proved wrong - lots of windows laptops ship with 32gb. Google âoehp laptop 32gb eMMCâ.

    Canâ(TM)t tell if youâ(TM)re trolling, but Windows 10 happily fits there.

  19. Re: Not intererested in new processors for a whil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Grr! Apologies for forgetting about the unicode support / ios quote mangling here.

  20. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your gut is wrong and no doubt influenced by marketing and shilling from Intel.

    You can buy a Meltdown invulnerable CPU from AMD *today*. These new CPUs from Intel are still vulnerable and it will be years before they sell one that isn't.

    Go AMD.

  21. There's some vids on Youtube by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    that show Ryzen doing better than Intel in modern games due to the better multi-core. Intel will crank out higher avg FPS but has much, much worse 1% lows. If you're already hitting 120+ FPS then for a lot of games the Ryzen's a better experience, especially a Ryzen 2. Right now a passmark single-thread score of 2100 seems to be the sweet spot for everything except Total Warhammer & Ashes of the Singularity.

    Now, if price isn't an object then you just go with Intel's $1000 or $2000 part and get the best of both worlds, but if you're on any kind of budget whatsoever Ryzen's probably the way to go. But you're right about "Know your workload". That changes if you're a heavy strat gamer.

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    1. Re:There's some vids on Youtube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't add up. Mainstream professional programs are faster on Ryzen whereas only games see a benefit with Intel. I'm thinking there's some compiler optimizations being used and not so much as a HW issue.

    2. Re:There's some vids on Youtube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which benchmarks show this?

  22. Re: Not intererested in new processors for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    All my Win7 VMs run nicely in 20GB. The trick is getting rid of the WinSxs folder garbage.

  23. Re:Best gaming CPU = best single threaded performa by Type44Q · · Score: 3, Insightful

    More to the point, which current offering is the i7 2600K of years past (not too expensive and overclocks like crazy?)

    Amusingly enough, it's probably the 2nd-gen Ryzen5 2600X.

  24. Re: Not intererested in new processors for a while by cdsparrow · · Score: 1

    Happily until you try to do one of the major feature upgrades... Then there's not enough space to apply update and you have to install from scratch.

  25. Lost the plot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Intel has lost the plot and are in damage control mode, even crippling their own hardware in an attempt to stay relevant. AMD is the future, we wont miss you Intel!

    1. Re:Lost the plot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AMD are good people. Intel have always been overrated ripoff artists that used anticompetitive practices to maintain their dominance. As someone who has never even owned an AMD chip, I am 100% confident that my next CPU will be an AMD regardless of performance comparisons. I'd really like to see Intel dethroned but doubt that it will happen in the next decade or that AMD will be the one to do it.

  26. Re:Not intererested in new processors for a while by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Informative

    Lots of cheap machines come with only 32 GB of storage because they get cheaper Windows licenses this way.

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  27. 10th gen crap still doesn't make for a nice arch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot can do unicode. But unicode is so broken as to be actively dangerous, so it gets blocked.

    Funny how this experience, along with other people's experiences (*cough* spotify *cough*, among others) hasn't stopped the unicode evangelism. Because somehow the basic ASCII apostrophe is not good enough.

    That people still insist on using non-ascii "improved! with more unicode!" extra special snowflake apostrophes probably is because it's not them that's insisting, but the "improved! with more unicode!" fashionable apparatuses they insist on toting around along with their fancy coffees with the overlong names. And they're just not smart enough to turn the "smart quotes" feature off in those same fashionable apparatuses.

    Question for the reader: Does that imply that the snowflake coffee makes stupid?

  28. These processors are great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Almost as good as Ryzen processors.

  29. Only way I'd buy a NEWER cpu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only way I'd buy a NEWER cpu? Clean up the Spectre/Meltdown/IME issues (AMD analogs included). As is, I'm happy w/ relatively "midrange" performance of the CPU I have (not happy w/ having to use my router to blunt ports IME accesses & being unable to stop Spectre/Meltdown afaik), which is an Intel 4790k @ 4.1ghz o/c'd.

    I say "midrange" vs. TODAY's "state-of-the-art" NEWER cpus based on benchmark tests I see on Linux @ Phoronix (starting to REALLY like Mike Larabel's site actually too).

    * Intel (AMD partially too) REALLY needs to look into fixing that imo (& yes, the opinion of others too - I haven't read that of others' here on /. YET, but based on many articles noting this all today, it always figures in w/in the content of said articles, everytime...).

    APK

    P.S.=> Hell w/ performance when it comes to security (or accuracy as well) - performance takes a "back seat" to those things in my book)... apk

    1. Re:Only way I'd buy a NEWER cpu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck are you babbling on about?

    2. Re:Only way I'd buy a NEWER cpu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think APK said he is proud that he can make a computer run like dog shit with his failed attempt at security. That or he is proud he can fist his own asshole up to his elbow.

    3. Re:Only way I'd buy a NEWER cpu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ZIP you sore APK crushed you on C++ fixes he noted long before you https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... OR your lie on Github https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... ?

    4. Re:Only way I'd buy a NEWER cpu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess APK has given up on raging out on c6gunner after a few weeks and has moved on to raging out about ZIP. Too bad APK is such a chicken shit he won't sign his posts now because he just embarrasses himself more going after random people. Maybe I am Zontar The Mindless, now behave yourself Alex.

    5. Re:Only way I'd buy a NEWER cpu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your software is just crap - written in crayon, fictional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine as a punchline to a joke by mmell February 17, 2017

      Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is fucking insane - by JazzLad April 20, 2016

      his hosts "program" is actually a broken batch file by xenotransplant August 10 2015

      his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to be a laughingstock while consuming excessive amounts of alcohol by alexgieg September 25 2015

      I like your tinfoil hat by Karmashock September 09 2015

      that APK nut, I can't get him to stop talking about his piece of shit file by rogoshen1 Tuesday March 03, 2015

      I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

      APK

      P.S.=> When YOU do better than THAT by our /. registered peers, then talk (from behind your FAKE NAME for your FAKE LIE of a "so-called" WASTED life) - ok? apk

    6. Re:Only way I'd buy a NEWER cpu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      c6gunner signed his post caught impersonating apk and changing what slashdot users actually said https://linux.slashdot.org/com... talk embarassing for c6gunner!

  30. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    he's building a gaming pc.. he's not running banking transactions on it. What matters is raw performance.

  31. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    and no doubt influenced by marketing and shilling from Intel.

    My gut also says to avoid AMD. Not because of anything Intel has said, but because of years of being burned by ATI.

    Don't get me wrong, I know it is not a rational hatred at this point. But it will take a lot to ever get me to consider AMD again. And no, these vulnerabilities from Intel are not enough, because it seems to me that if you aren't running random code that you found somewhere online, then there is nothing to be worried about from them.

  32. I've got logic for you: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That doesn't make him wrong.

    Let's agree on:
    1. They ALL suck.
    2. Some suck more than others.
    3. Intel have been consistently evil bastards in the last decades.
    4. Evil bastards suck more than plain old assholes.
    QED

    1. Re:I've got logic for you: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's agree on:
      1. They ALL suck.
      2. Some suck more than others.

      Wait a minute. How did this get switched to democrats and republicans? And which one is Intel?

  33. No thanks by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

    No ECC /w only 16 lanes = No sale

    1. Re:No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But... it's the fourth generation on the same architecture and fabrication process, certainly that's impressive yes?

    2. Re:No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See Xeon E-2100 series for ECC support. This segregation sucks ball. On the other hand AMD always had "CPU supports ECC but the motherboard doesn't support it". Which means the memory probably will work but you don't know if the ECC works and won't know when memory errors occured.

      I don't need more lanes. Do you need more lanes? Do you need more lanes other than the many ones offered by the chipset? They're multiplexed, but that makes the hardware much cheaper. Also 16x bifurcates into 8x + 8x or even 8x + 8x + 8x + 8x if the motherboard uses a bridge chip. If you have such special needs not served by regular hardware, stop bitching. Albeit AMD has the cheaper solution still : Threadripper 1900X.
      Car analogy : you complain that most cars only have four wheels, why don't these assholes sell cars with six wheels and a flatbed? How am I supposed to move heavy shit?

  34. Re:What shitty game engines are these?? Seriously! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has nothing to do with single-core performance, and everything with the game Mafia developing for the ridiculously underpowered consoles and their precise core count

    Well, consoles developers had 8 (underpowered) cores at their disposal for 5 years now (more if you count pre-release dev kits), so consoles aren't anymore the multi-core development roadblock they used to be. I guess that leaves two possibilities: either the multi-threaded gaming load balance is a hard nut to crack or the industry suffers from rampant incompetence.

  35. What do you mean, “substitute”? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Your “curly apostrophe” is the correct apostrophe, and the “ ' ” is merely a substitute character for the limited abilities of keyboard layouts of the ’90s. The 1890s, to be exact

    Thankfully, there are vastly better keyboard layouts nowadays.

    I would say, “The ’90s called”, but that meme was already outdated in the ‘90s. :)

    1. Re:What do you mean, “substitute”? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thankfully, there are vastly better keyboard layouts nowadays.

      Cool. Can I get that for my M?

  36. Re:A tech news story? On slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sad.

    There, now it has a meta-Trump allusion.

  37. Unicode is not broken at all. Slashdot is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm not hearing about all those Unicode hacks that you suggest should be happening everywhere.

    Unicode is extremely simple to deal with. The UTF-8 encoding system is beautifully simple and elegant.
    And if it's decoded into 32-bit Integers, then all you have to do, is say which ranges you allow. Since it's separated into planes and then into blocks, and on top, all code points are associated to certain character classes, it’s just a matter of allowing all the classes and blocks you deem OK. Usually, it’s enough to filter the "magical characters" character class(es). (Although they only ruin things if you are a shitty CSS coder, and can't use the overflow property properly, nor separate the style contexts.)

    Every other site on the net can do this. Don't you think that if Reddit had problems with it, there would be hacks all over the place, ruining the layout?

    My hypothesis is, that it's because Slashdot has been dead a loong time now, and nobody wants to touch the write-only Perl spaghetti script code that is SlashCode.

  38. Call me dense but by Bobrick · · Score: 1

    What am I missing here that's new? Hyper-threading... 18 cores/36 threads... what are they releasing that's they don't already have on the market?

    1. Re: Call me dense but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Marketing.

    2. Re:Call me dense but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An octal-core "consumer" CPU. Before last year, you had to buy their HEDT socket to get more than four cores. So they launched the i7-8700k, 8700, and i5-8400 in Oct. 2017 to bring moar cores to the consumer desktop. That was six cores, last year.

      This year, they give us 8 cores on the consumer desktop with the i9-9900k. There's also the 9700k w/o Hyperthreading.

      Yes, you can get up to 18 cores on their HEDT socket (and soon it will be 28, apparently), but that comes with high prices and many compromises that consumer users might not like very much.

    3. Re:Call me dense but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can put this on a $60 motherboard with two sticks of memory (four sticks not needed) and with no PCIe graphics card.

      I wasn't going to say this makes for a much cheaper many-core machine, but the 9900K is rather overpriced, even the 9700K as well.
      This should be an 8/16 cores/threads system with a relatively low power use as well, if you choose to use the integrated graphics.
      Though, Ryzen 1700 or 2700 plus geforce GT1030 should be quite good and is cheaper!

  39. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by blackomegax · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just built a ryzen 2600/vega 64 system. There's literally nothing wrong with it. It never crashes. the CPU gets 1300 cinebench, and games better than my i5 haswell did(ryzen has faster single-thread than the i5 too). the vega is rock solid and trades blows with a GTX1080/RTX2070. Witcher 3 runs fluid smooth at 4k max settings. I mostly game at 1440p though so this should last me the next 5-6 years. You may have PTSD from ATI, but AMD has been good for GPU's since the 290x, and good for CPU's since ryzen.

  40. Re:What shitty game engines are these?? Seriously! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, you'd be amazed how many xb1 and ps4 games run on one or two threads.

  41. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every time you open a page in your browser you are running "random code that you found somewhere online".

  42. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone making emotional decisions when buying computer hardware will probably wind up being disappointed. Explaining to people today why they should chose AMD when they reference "being burned by ATI" is probably a wasted effort. Since you know, ATI hasn't existed in about a decade as an independent company.

    AMD is a proven viable option on at least the CPU front (and really not that bad on the dGPU front, if you can find a decent deal on RX Vega 64). Anyone who doesn't know that today has their head in the sand.

  43. Re:Not intererested in new processors for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows 7 support will never be restored.

    Ever.

    MS does not want you to use it. Stop crying when you get burned by a closed-source operating system being pulled out from under you after you become dependent upon it.

  44. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone might run the code for you.

  45. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You understand that ATI hasn't been around for over a decade now right? Get over it. You're not still buying spinning hard drives when you can do M2 flash are you? Not still using CRTs because they were always more reliable than LCD which gave way to LED. Things change, no point being stuck in the past.

    While AMD has their missteps with drivers as someone with an Intel laptop with Nvidia quadro built-in I can confidently say they all suck as building proper drivers. AMD display with AMD CPU though, you're good to go.

  46. Re:Not intererested in new processors for a while by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    No computers should come with 32Gb of storage, but low end laptops frequently have SSD drives with that amount of storage. And yes, updating Windows is extremely painful on such systems.

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  47. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell me how to disable the meltdown software patch in Windows then.

  48. Re: Not intererested in new processors for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not dependent on it, just unwilling to go to that pile of shit Win10.

  49. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Go AMD.

    Meltdown and Spectre are completely irrelevant to 99.9% of computer users out there in scope and risk they present to users.

    Go AMD anyway because of awesome price performance ratio.

  50. News flash, ARCHIE BUNKER SUCKS COCK FOR FREE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's too retarded to know the difference between Intel's unsecured IME and PSP, lol. WHAT A DUMB TRUMP FAGGOT LOL.

  51. Re:Not intererested in new processors for a while by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    No computers come with only 32gb of storage. Windows wouldn't even fit.

    Windows 10 has a minimum storage requirement of 16GB. Bonus points if you use that machine there's not enough free space to download windows updates.

    Plenty of devices out there come with 32GB of storage.

  52. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    A current model CPU games better than a 5 year old competitor. Well that's a glowing endorsement...

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  53. Re:10th gen crap still doesn't make for a nice arc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know that there are other languages out there that don't have characters represented in this character set, right?

    Unicode has been in the HTML spec for like 20 god damn years now. If there were major security implications behind supporting Unicode (and not being unbelievably shit at coding web applications) I think we would have seen them by now.

  54. Re:Not intererested in new processors for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Demanding drivers be written for Windows 7? Why not demand drivers for Windows 2000 - it would be just as useful.

    Microsoft isn't selling Windows 7 licenses any more, so it's market share is as high as it will get until it dwindles to where Windows 2000 is. Nobody is going to spend the resources to do that.

    Yeah yeah I know, get off your lawn. Uphill both ways. Etc.

  55. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you sure? Many gaming platforms require CC info as part of registration/payment

  56. Jay-z & a lady I met in NYC singing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: About ME ("there's nothing you can't do") https://youtu.be/z5LOE_5icNA?t...

    * You WISH you were me... (that BOY's good).

    APK

    P.S.=> "I'm from the Empire State that's..." ALL I have to say - they said the rest... apk

  57. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My gut also says to avoid AMD.

    That's just your gut flora talking. Change your diet and in a week or so you should notice adjustments in how your guts feel about AMD (and likely other things).

  58. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    reg add "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management" /v FeatureSettingsOverride /t REG_DWORD /d 3 /f

    reg add "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management" /v FeatureSettingsOverrideMask /t REG_DWORD /d 3 /f

  59. Re:Best gaming CPU = best single threaded performa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > The important question is how will this affect the price of ...

    Microsoft licences.

    18 cores on a per-core basis is ...

  60. Completely unsupported conjecture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Hyperthreading is a source of certain security leaks they don't want to expend the effort (cash) to fix, so they disable it. They figure that the top-end purchasers have already spent so much unjustified money on a tiny bit of performance that they will act like Apple fanbois and ignore the issue.

    2) Without hyperthreading they can eke out a small increment of single-thread performance, which is what all the intel fanbois focus on anyway, and try to retain some sales against the more performant AMD options.

    1. Re:Completely unsupported conjecture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3) No matter how bad the summary is written, hyperthreading is enabled on the i9 9900K. It's disabled on the stuff below just to make them worse and make the 9900K comparatively better.

  61. Re:A tech news story? On slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sad.

    There, now it has a meta-Trump allusion.

    not enough Russia

  62. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you aren't running random code that you found somewhere online

    I take it you have Javascript and Webassembly disabled?

  63. Re:Best gaming CPU = best single threaded performa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's why piracy is a thing.

  64. IF I had a themesong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's this https://www.youtube.com/watch?... & you WISH you were me, lol - "There's nothing I can't do"!

    APK

    P.S.=> Quote Jay-Z "That boy's GOOD"... apk

  65. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perfor by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

    Reply to undo accidental moderation. Was attempting to mod up when the bus hit a bump.

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  66. Re:Best gaming CPU = best single threaded performa by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Like computer games? Get the best Intel CPU when building a new PC.

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  67. Re: Not intererested in new processors for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not here to preach OSS but I use it. And I've used Win 10 before I retired and no matter how hard I tried, yes, it is a pile of shit. How? Look at the intellectual horsepower that company has. Don't scoff-you know it does. But look at what they produce. I feel sorry for those folks who have to eat Redmond's dog food. Back O/T

  68. Re:A tech news story? On slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about creating this law : if you're a dude and you can prove that you get fucked in the ass at least once a week you can get preferential treatment when getting hired or joining a university or attending vocational education.
    I'll let the politicians and jews deal with passing the law and enforcing, I'm merely interested into being a certified ass fucker.

  69. Re:Best gaming CPU = best single threaded performa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It kind of overclocks itself in fact (not much worth messing with it yourself). It's not too different with the Intels that run at some 4.x GHz already, like the 4790K and i7 7700K. and now the 8700K, 9700K, 9900K. You can mess with settings to gain some +5% performance or something but not something like +30%. Or use faster memory which is attained by.. buying faster memory.
    If you really want to mess about you'll need to get the Ryzen 2600 not 2600X but then you'll about match a 2600X.

  70. Re:Not intererested in new processors for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nerds can get these machines usable - even the 16GB ones - by installing Windows 10 LTSB, which might be trimmed a bit further by uninstalling, disabling or deleting things.

  71. Re:Best gaming CPU = best single threaded performa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Current processors will be sold out as long as they last and the new processors, which are essentially the old processors with new id-numbers are then replacing them and sold with the same price. As Intel kicked out most of their R&D, they can not produce anymore anything new, they are just exploiting old inventions as long as possible. Their previous big design upgrade is from 2014, after that nothing has really changed.

  72. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perfor by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    LOL :-)

  73. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perfor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've bought ati/amd 3 times, and I've been burned by software support 3 times. Two graphics cards and a APU with "final" driver versions breaking significant features of the hardware. Never seen the same from Intel/nVidia. They typically support their hardware for longer and while they might stop supporting new features, they'll fix major bugs.

    Would take a lot to go back for a fourth time.

  74. Not optimal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, granted hyperthreading runs two threads in close enough coordination to permit information leaks between them.
    Seems like the OS, not the chip should be the place to fix this.

    If two threads are in the same process, then running then as hyperthreads is fine.
    If two threads are in different processes, then not.

    GIven this, is there still a security hole making it necessary for Intel to throw this preformance away?

  75. APK can't stop with his unmedicated delusions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alexander Peter Kowalskijust can't stop with his unmedicated delusions. Like how he claims the Chinese copied him but can't produce any evidence.
    How about when he states that hosts does port filtering but again can't backup his statement which was shown to be false.
    There is also his list of "experts" who support him but it turns out they don't say what he is claiming.
    This also ignores his out of context quotes he uses to lie by omission.
    The problem with APK is that his entire reputation is built upon the lie he told years ago that hosts is an effective security solution. It has been exposed numerous times as being a lie and when exposed APK fails to argue logically and instead will try to deflect criticism, change the subject, move the goal posts, return to a previously disproved statement, demand you prove you did better than his file concatenator, or just call people names. He will continue to lie by stating that he won or "dusted" you while failing to refute anything you said, will never provide real evidence, and generally try to dodge the issue.

    Face it APK is one of the most detested individuals here for good reason. When ever his poor behavior, awful logic, over statements, and horrendous writing are called out he has a fit and has done so for years across the internet. He is a spammer, and is an abusive insecure little man who is washed up and never amounted to anything. Until he produces actual verifiable facts supporting his case, which he can't, nothing he says should be taken seriously. Because he can't actually refute anything he will now repeat all of his previously disproved lies because he is a retarded loser. By doing that he will prove he is a retard for all to see.

  76. Re:Best gaming CPU = best single threaded performa by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Intel is still the single thread champ.

    Before Meltdown, maybe. Today, Intel owners need to decide whether to lag behind AMD also in single core performance, or leave the machine wide open to attack.

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  77. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    he's building a gaming pc.. he's not running banking transactions on it

    Is he ok with sharing all his passwords with any random driveby hacker? Because his Intel gaming PC is wide open to exploit even by Javascript on a web page. Or in case that isn't clear:, you own Intel, you surf, you lose.

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  78. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perfor by illiac_1962 · · Score: 1

    Am3+ FX CPUs are beyond decent and an 8 core is going for $69 right now. Most people, including us, wouldn't notice the difference between an FX and a Ryzen.

  79. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perfor by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    So you don't run a script-blocker.

  80. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    Horseshit; you'll always see greater FPS by going AMD and spending the savings on a better vidcard.

  81. 3 questions & China... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & 3 questions you won't answer: 1.) Do hosts stop threats served by hostname (the way threats are done most) by blocking them? Yes. 2.) Do hosts speed you up 2 ways in adblocking (preventing more infection/tracking/slowdown) & via hardcoded favorite sites resolving faster + protecting vs. dns down or redirect poisoned? Yes.

    My hosts program's the only 1 that does the latter @ TOP of hosts cached in RAM (for best performance) & only 1 of its kind on Linux/BSD in easy to use flexible configuration GUI form.

    (I also did that latter part LONG before the Chinese & 1st http://theregister.co.uk/2017/...

    APK

    P.S.-> Lastly: 3.) Have you done work that's that effective doing more for less faster in kernelmode speed w/ less complexity for exploit + excess overheads vs. solutions KNOWN to be security-issue riddled (like addons (souled-out to NOT work by default OR easily detected & blocked that are BYPASSABLE & EXPLOITABLE), DNS & Antivirus)? No... apk

  82. Security pros QUOTED on hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "classic Windows hosts trick to block the Coinhive or Crypto-Loot domains" - https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/a-new-player-joins-coinhive-on-the-browser-cryptojacking-scene/ - BLEEPING COMPUTER

    ZD NET http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-use-a-hosts-file-to-improve-your-internet-experience/ "Hosts files really shine by letting you block ads, spyware sites, malware sites, & tracking sites"

    SANS ("A related approach to the DNS issue is to create a hosts file on each system that sends requests for spyware to some place else" hosts by myself & RAMU right @ START of "malware explosion" mid 2005 on) https://isc.sans.edu/forums/di...

    Aryeh Goretsky/ESET/NOD32: hosts = good security http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7442373&cid=49747129/

    Oliver Day (SYMANTEC/SECURITYFOCUS) http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/491/

    Spybot S&D uses hosts.

    APK

    P.S.=> Malwarebytes' hpHosts hosts & RECOMMENDS my program http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

  83. Hosts efficacy recently vs. threats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's working: Neville... it's working!" See subject & results from the past month https://it.slashdot.org/commen... & https://it.slashdot.org/commen... + https://it.slashdot.org/commen... + https://it.slashdot.org/commen... https://it.slashdot.org/commen... that's only recently while I've been on Linux (few months now only) & 100's of times vs. MANY other botnets/malwares etc. in the past circa 2006-early 2018 while I was on Windows: CONCRETE VISIBLE UNDENIABLE REALITY (see those links as proof).

    P.S.=> ... & that's ONLY what /. reported on (there are FAR more)... apk

  84. On ArseHOLETechnica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arstechnica = losers who stalked me (as you do now anonymously unidentifiably) to NTCompatible.com & Windows IT Pro magazine forums to their public dismay in Jeremy Reimer & Jay Little + Jarrett DeAngelis (who posts here on /. until I drove his ass off too) when their websites were REMOVED by their hosting providers in Shaw Canada & CrystalTech (for both email harassing me caught on a tracking ticket + stalking me & posting lies about me on them).

    Right AFTER I destroyed them both PUBLICLY @ Windows IT Pro on Exchange Servers memory being freed UNHALTING them (which tells you Exchange is HEAVILY POINTER ORIENTED linked list driven, which leads to memory fragmentation that CAN halt a serverware).

    Jay Little the "self-proclaimed 'EXCHANGE EXPERT'" HAD TO CONCEDE IT from MICROSOFT'S OWN DOCUMENTATION proving it FOR me there (where they as usual stalked me AS YOU ARE NOW)

    Peter Bright/Dr. Pizza (alias GOITERMAN, lol) can tell you what happened to his IRC server after that (lol).

    "The great arseHOLEtechnica" (not) RUN OUT of their own server chatrooms hahaha (by "yours truly").

    In effete retaliation they edited my posts & impersonated me on their little private playpen of UNDERACHIEVER losers.

    APK

    P.S.=> ABOVE ALL ELSE: Thanks for outing yourself as 1 of the "few, the defeated" from arseHOLEtechnica - always a pleasure exposing your lame asses (that are nothing more than do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-wells" THAT CAN'T STAND THEMSELVES for it (lol, no shit) & that you are REDUCED to STALKING ME by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous too... lmao!)... apk

  85. On Thor SCHMUCK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sk him WHY his false accusation of an old ware of mine was 1st taken down to NO threat & CA sold off the SHITTY antivir he sold (as a paid pawn of theirs) & they are GONE, done. dead... lol!

    Lookup "CA Accounting Scandal" on Google - scumbags & THEIR BIRDS OF A FEATHER just go down vs. me everytime!

    APK

    P.S.=> He's a FAT lying LOSER from podunk idaho... apk

  86. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #1/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your software is just fine - well written, functional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine by mmell February 17, 2017

    Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is quite valid - by JazzLad April 20, 2016

    his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant August 10 2015

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg September 25 2015

    I like your host file system by Karmashock September 09 2015

    that APK guy, I use his host file by rogoshen1 Tuesday March 03, 2015

    I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

    * SEE SUBJECT & TELL US: How does EATING YOUR WORDS taste?

    APK

    P.S.=> You're already VASTLY OUTNUMBERED but many more are coming

  87. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #2/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk has the answer for that - really... kill automatic updates by adding a hosts file entry setting updates.steam.com or whatever to 127.0.0.1. You have to find the right hostname for each software you want to block updates on by raymorris (2726007) on Friday July 06, 2018

    APK your posts on this and the hosts file posts, and more, have never been in error and/or bad advice by BlueStrat (756137) on Wednesday June 21, 2017

    I support APK's stand on the hosts file and can't see why it's not used more than it is. My hosts file is 144247 lines long (4,332 Kb) it & a firewall serves me very well - by Trax3001BBS (2368736)

    ABP is insufficient as a solid hosts file does everything APK reminds us about fast turtle September 17 2013

    You need APK's hosts file - by Teun (17872) on Wednesday August 06, 2014

    APK

    P.S.=> You EATING YOUR WORDS != GOOD NUTRITION... apk

  88. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #3/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience in this context. Of course, your phone has to be rooted, which isn't the case with Firefox + adblock." - by chihowa on Saturday May 16, 2015

    APK solution STILL relevant Thud457 June 11 2015

    In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable - by vel-ex-tech (4337079) on Tuesday November 24, 2015

    APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good at the moment - by Culture20 on Thursday November 17

    you're right about hosts files - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26

    APK, I know people give you a lot of shit regarding hosts, but please don't ever stop - by nasredin (958927) on Friday June 12, 2015 @03:34PM

    APK

    P.S.=> Are you ENJOYING the taste of EATING YOUR WORDS yet?... apk

  89. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #4/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works. - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015

    get around to 'installing' a hosts file list, not sure which one, likely the one from someonewhocares.org. If it works as well as what I used for a while about ten years ago, I'll be happy. And grateful to APK for the lesson and the reminder. - by kermidge (2221646) on Wednesday March 27

    I actually went and downloaded a 16k line hosts file and started using that after seeing that post, you know just for trying it out. some sites load up faster. - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday November 17

    dammit MS, you proved APK right about something by lgw

    APK

    P.S.=> Your words YOU'RE EATING: You choking on them yet?... apk

  90. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #5/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (APK) is still right a hosts file really does work. It even blocked a some of the video ads that were inserted into a stream OrangeTide February 10 2016

    the Host File Engine performs exactly as promised - by mmell (832646) on Thursday February 16, 2017

    I do use APK's host file on all my systems at home by OrangeTide December 01 2017

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    APK

    P.S.=> You still haven't said how EATING YOUR WORDS tastes? apk

  91. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #6/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I say the following as a caring human being who agrees with how useful HOSTS files are: Your zeal is to be respected - by dave420 (699308) on Monday September 08, 2014

    But I love APK!The power of the hostfile compels you! by ratboy666 (104074) on Friday January 29, 2016

    APK was right all along! C:\WINDOWS\HOSTS is the solution ;) - by sabri (584428) on Friday October 21, 2016

    No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free. - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    I'm a fan of apk. Yes he trolls, but he only trolls where it's contextually appropriate. I respect that - by Noah Haders (3621429) on Wednesday July 29, 2015

    APK

    P.S.=> YOU'RE OUTNUMBERED DOZENS TO 1 - toss on 100,000++ users of my program worldwide too... apk

  92. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mostly game at 1440p though so [a Vega 64] should last me the next 5-6 years.

    No GPU exists 5 - 6 years without turning down settings significantly over time.

    Plus, you're missing out on 4k. It's more than 2x the pixels of 1440p, which not only helps with anti-aliasing, texture resolution, object detail at distance, etc., but allows for users to use bigger screens/monitors, and bigger is better (if DPI is all you care about, just hook your PC up to your phone screen... bet it'll be a great experience).

  93. You little hypocrite fuck... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see YOU signing your posts you hypocrite pussy punk. If you fools wouldn't start w/ me 1st I wouldn't EMBARASS you afterward.

    * c6gunner IS a punk & a do-NOTHING zero pussy like you who impersonated me + ALTERED /.ers words https://linux.slashdot.org/com... & had it coming.

    APK

    P.S.=> So do YOU pussy - hence WHY you hide behind UNIDENTFIABLE anonymous posts. Let me tell you something, asshole, no joke: IF I ever got ahold of you in PERSON? I'd fuck you up & hospitalize you @ the VERY LEAST because I cannot STAND pure SHIT like you (neither do most people & I know you can't STAND yourself either pussy)... apk

  94. Re: Best gaming CPU = best single threaded perform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some GPUs really stood out e.g. 8800GTX, the closely related and cheaper 8800GT, or Radeon 7970. The latter still is usable to this day.
    GTX 1080, 1070 seem like they will perform well for a while. Vega 64 isn't anything special but basically as good (if more power hungry than a 1080). Its direct predecessor the Radeon Fury sucked more and is kind of obsolete (power hungry and "only" 4GB RAM) but should still be more than usable anyhow.
    980 Ti is getting old.. but with 6GB RAM and specs that were so high, it's a completely current graphics card.

  95. Re: Not intererested in new processors for a while by toddestan · · Score: 1

    I don't know about "lots". Low-end laptops still ship with 5400RPM hard drives. As you move up eventually you start seeing the models with 256 GB SSDs. The big exception for this seems to be Apple (lol), where most of their models start with a meager 128 GB, and yes you pay dearly for this. The other exception are some of the tablets-with-keyboards, probably because they don't want to cram a hard drive in there but still want to keep the cost down.