So you are in the UK then. You'd know the UK market better than me. I've done the same research in the US and tend to find the prices on their laptops to be plus-or-minus 10% of the competition (depending on where they are in the release cycle).
Others have pointed out that Dell often has these blowout-style sales, and indeed there is nothing that Apple ever makes that can compete with the Dells when they are 30-50% off.
That's not really the same machine... That is why I used the HP with the same processor. I wouldn't buy that Apple, but more because it is at least a year out-of-date. It is priced higher than other out-of-date equipment, but not by much.
Maybe I am being pedantic, since no matter how you look at it, the Mac Pro is not a good option, value-wise. Just because someone else is also selling old expensive stuff doesn't justify Apple's doing the same.
Yeah, I haven't priced out anything but laptops in probably 8 years, so I can't really speak for the Pro. Digging around a little, it looks like the quad-core 3.2 GHz Xeon model is $2500. The HP version of this machine is about $2200, but I found that on Amazon which usually is a bit cheaper than Apple.com.
I'd characterize the current Mac Pro as more obsolete than overpriced:)
I'm betting the Toshiba was about 20% heavier/ larger and you weren't sensitive to size when you were shopping. Size drives cost, but most people don't need the small form factor that Apple sells.
Vendor lock-in is an important factor to consider.
You ain't kidding! I have all of these options I bought for my Ford that won't even work at all with my new Chevy! What the hell?
Ford has a monopoly on Fords, and it is disgusting.
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I'm amazed how few people actually price shop before they claim the Apple laptops are overpriced. I find them to be +/- 10% of a roughly-equivalent Dell/HP/Lenovo.
It is correct to say that Apple's laptops are expensive - they don't offer anything at all on the low-end.
The point is that a child shouldn't have to suffer due to the decisions of the parent. "All men are created equal" is the basis of our liberal ideology, but that only works if they don't starve as a kid.
Foodstamps flow through the parents, so that is the weak point. If the parents are no good, selling the foodstamps, buying junk food, eating all the food themselves, not budgeting, etc, then the kid goes hungry. Having a distribution point that is not in the parent's control closes that hole. I think it is a pragmatic way to approach the problem.
I just find it frightening that our national legislature is thinking that the answer to preserving tax cuts for the wealthy (and I mean the ridiculously wealthy), is to remove millions of men, women and children from the most basic resources for living.
That's just bluster on both sides. The Democrats get at the Republicans by calling the universal tax cuts "tax cuts for the rich" and the Republicans go after the programs that Democrats hold most dear. It's this kind of toxic discourse that has me so disgusted with politics in general... it has evolved into a team sport rather than a serious attempt at governing.
Talk to most regular people who identify as "Republican" or "Democrat" and very few will agree that raising taxes in a recession is a good idea, nor will they think that letting people starve or go uneducated is a good idea. You have to get to the real wingnuts before you hear that sort of talk, and the sad thing is that we've let the wingnuts drive the national dialog. Politics has always been divisive, but it's only recently that we stopped calling such people nuts.
NYC is the most heavily Democratic city I can think of. The primary ballot for the Republicans is mostly blank. "Trickle-down" is not a phase you hear echoed in many NYC conversations. Republicans often use NYC social programs as examples of how things can go wrong with social programs (especially rent controls and public housing).
Yeah, even before the US government decided that they need to help the xxAA groups with copyright enforcement, you'd be in a load of crap for posting kiddie porn.
I agree that is a good tradeoff, and I was not commenting on that aspect. I was commenting on Flash being a very heavy chunk of code to load if all you want to do is play videos, and this new layer will only bloat it further.
Of course, I am amused how secret ITU treaty negotiations are bad when they negatively affect US companies, but how secret ACTA treaty negotiations are good when they protect US companies...
I don't find that to be the prevailing opinion on Slashdot at all - I see very little defense of the ACTA treaty at all, let alone the secret negotiations.
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So you are in the UK then. You'd know the UK market better than me. I've done the same research in the US and tend to find the prices on their laptops to be plus-or-minus 10% of the competition (depending on where they are in the release cycle).
Others have pointed out that Dell often has these blowout-style sales, and indeed there is nothing that Apple ever makes that can compete with the Dells when they are 30-50% off.
That's not really the same machine... That is why I used the HP with the same processor. I wouldn't buy that Apple, but more because it is at least a year out-of-date. It is priced higher than other out-of-date equipment, but not by much.
Maybe I am being pedantic, since no matter how you look at it, the Mac Pro is not a good option, value-wise. Just because someone else is also selling old expensive stuff doesn't justify Apple's doing the same.
The first two links are very sparse on the information front, and the third starts with:
Saturday May 20 2006
Are you in the UK? I don't know if they are competitive there - I was expressing my obvious US bias.
Yeah, I haven't priced out anything but laptops in probably 8 years, so I can't really speak for the Pro. Digging around a little, it looks like the quad-core 3.2 GHz Xeon model is $2500. The HP version of this machine is about $2200, but I found that on Amazon which usually is a bit cheaper than Apple.com.
I'd characterize the current Mac Pro as more obsolete than overpriced :)
I'm betting the Toshiba was about 20% heavier/ larger and you weren't sensitive to size when you were shopping. Size drives cost, but most people don't need the small form factor that Apple sells.
Apple.com doesn't have sales, but Amazon and other 3rd parties do.
Give me an example.
Vendor lock-in is an important factor to consider.
You ain't kidding! I have all of these options I bought for my Ford that won't even work at all with my new Chevy! What the hell?
Ford has a monopoly on Fords, and it is disgusting.
I'm amazed how few people actually price shop before they claim the Apple laptops are overpriced. I find them to be +/- 10% of a roughly-equivalent Dell/HP/Lenovo.
It is correct to say that Apple's laptops are expensive - they don't offer anything at all on the low-end.
The point is that a child shouldn't have to suffer due to the decisions of the parent. "All men are created equal" is the basis of our liberal ideology, but that only works if they don't starve as a kid.
Could have been "out of gas"...
Or, they brought it down because the Chinese thought they might swing by to look at the XB-37B while they were up there.
Foodstamps flow through the parents, so that is the weak point. If the parents are no good, selling the foodstamps, buying junk food, eating all the food themselves, not budgeting, etc, then the kid goes hungry. Having a distribution point that is not in the parent's control closes that hole. I think it is a pragmatic way to approach the problem.
I just find it frightening that our national legislature is thinking that the answer to preserving tax cuts for the wealthy (and I mean the ridiculously wealthy), is to remove millions of men, women and children from the most basic resources for living.
That's just bluster on both sides. The Democrats get at the Republicans by calling the universal tax cuts "tax cuts for the rich" and the Republicans go after the programs that Democrats hold most dear. It's this kind of toxic discourse that has me so disgusted with politics in general... it has evolved into a team sport rather than a serious attempt at governing.
Talk to most regular people who identify as "Republican" or "Democrat" and very few will agree that raising taxes in a recession is a good idea, nor will they think that letting people starve or go uneducated is a good idea. You have to get to the real wingnuts before you hear that sort of talk, and the sad thing is that we've let the wingnuts drive the national dialog. Politics has always been divisive, but it's only recently that we stopped calling such people nuts.
NYC is the most heavily Democratic city I can think of. The primary ballot for the Republicans is mostly blank. "Trickle-down" is not a phase you hear echoed in many NYC conversations. Republicans often use NYC social programs as examples of how things can go wrong with social programs (especially rent controls and public housing).
You are surprised that we have poor people in the US?
In NYC they shift the school subsidized lunch programs to the city pools in the summer. It's the closest thing to a healthy meal those kids will get.
Yeah, even before the US government decided that they need to help the xxAA groups with copyright enforcement, you'd be in a load of crap for posting kiddie porn.
Well, that's the wrong amendment. Calling someone a dumbass and then citing the wrong amendment is entertaining, though.
The drones are staying in people's houses?
You don't keep the cake secret, everyone can see it is cake - you keep the "ingredients" secret.
I agree that is a good tradeoff, and I was not commenting on that aspect. I was commenting on Flash being a very heavy chunk of code to load if all you want to do is play videos, and this new layer will only bloat it further.
Yes, this extra layer of software is sure to make it as responsive as a native video decoder.
Of course, I am amused how secret ITU treaty negotiations are bad when they negatively affect US companies, but how secret ACTA treaty negotiations are good when they protect US companies...
I don't find that to be the prevailing opinion on Slashdot at all - I see very little defense of the ACTA treaty at all, let alone the secret negotiations.
since we're looking for familiar patterns.
ALL CAPS WILL BECOME FAMILIAR. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED!
(Side note: I typed half of that sentence before remembering that there was a caps-lock button... I think it is the first time I've used it.)