Ethiopia Criminalizes VoIP Services

Devolution by Bananatree3 · 2012-06-15 03:04 · Score: 5, Insightful

You're looking at it. Great Britain, USA, Ethiopia, China, Saudi Arabia... are there *any* countries where an internet connection can be had with complete freedom of access and no censorship?

Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:05 · Score: 5, Informative

There is no such thing devolution, only evolution in a direction you don't like.
Re:Devolution by Bananatree3 · 2012-06-15 03:08 · Score: 1

Thank you for the proper english correction.
Re:Devolution by Gotung · 2012-06-15 03:08 · Score: 2, Insightful

There was never a time or a place where what you describe existed.
Re:Devolution by MightyYar · 2012-06-15 03:16 · Score: 0

Yeah, even before the US government decided that they need to help the xxAA groups with copyright enforcement, you'd be in a load of crap for posting kiddie porn.

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Re:Devolution by JustOK · 2012-06-15 03:18 · Score: 4, Funny

Are we not men?

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Re:Devolution by JustOK · 2012-06-15 03:19 · Score: 4, Funny

Thank you for the proper English correction.
FTFY

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Re:Devolution by LordLimecat · 2012-06-15 03:19 · Score: 3, Insightful

Youre lumping vastly different situations into one bucket, throwing up your hands, and despairing.
US, UK, etc have their own censorship and "entering the 21st century" issues, but lumping them together with Ethopia and China is a pretty big stretch.
The fact that we have outlets like the Onion, Jon Stewart, and all the talking heads (Beck, OReilley, whoever else) which build their reputation on skewering powerful political figures shows you just how different we are.
If youre asking if there are any countries where the internet is completely unrestrained and there is no enforcement of any laws whatsoever, no, there arent, and thats not a bad thing (ask any of the GPL folks). Likewise, if youre asking if there are any countries whose laws are perfect and are never abused, sorry, we dont have a utopia yet.
It seems to me that the least helpful thing that can be done (other than pretending everything is peachy) is to act like everything is as bad as it could be and that things are hopeless. More helpful perhaps would be to discuss WHERE the US, UK, etc fail, but comparing them to Ethopia is ridiculous.
Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:20 · Score: 0

There was never a time or a place where what you describe existed.
Oh, come on, give the guy a break. Those authentic vintage rose-tinted glasses he bought at the swap meet were expensive, so he's got to get his money's worth out of them.
Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:21 · Score: 0

Way to define devolution.
Re:Devolution by adisakp · 2012-06-15 03:21 · Score: 1

There is no such thing devolution
Convergence into the form of a 70's band?
Re:Devolution by Catbeller · 2012-06-15 03:30 · Score: 5, Insightful

Bull. You are revising living memory. Of course it existed. It existed fifteen years ago, everywhere. The tech to listen in on all calls did not exist, nor was it legal. It was absolutely, constitutionally ILLEGAL to spy on citizens in the USA. We talked on the phone and messaged each other in the happy knowledge that it took a court order or Scientology operatives to obtain phone conversations or internet activity. Such things are possible today because our citizens are technologically and politcally illiterate and have absolutely no cultural memory past ALF reruns. The US is stupiding itself to death. OF COURSE WE HAD PRIVACY!! You gave it up!
Re:Devolution by Krneki · 2012-06-15 03:33 · Score: 4, Interesting

Slovenia
Albeit we had 2 censorship incident done via DNS blocking.
They didn't last very long, were unconstitutional and easily circumvented by replacing the DNS server address and no one was ever persecuted by circumventing the protection.
To this date, not a single charge or court order has been issued for private usage of the internet for whatever reason. The only incidents were regarding "hate speech" and rightfully so.

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Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:35 · Score: 0

What? No obligatory Sandvine reference? I figure that those buggers would be into it....
Great market for their shit.
Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:42 · Score: 0

Go read manufacturing consent and realize that John Stewart (for example) is the way they bound the argument.
Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:43 · Score: 1

Bullshit. The tech to listen on phone calls has existed as long as phones have existed, and if you think the didn't listen in on calls, constitutionally or otherwise, I have a bridge to sell you.
Re:Devolution by Concerned+Onlooker · 2012-06-15 03:50 · Score: 1

It's in my dictionary:
The process of declining from a higher level to a lower level of effective power or vitality or essential quality. Syn. degeneration.

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Re:Devolution by flyingsquid · 2012-06-15 03:55 · Score: 4, Funny

I felt that your post on internet censorship makes a refreshingly reasonable, coherent, and well-informed argument, without resorting to ridiculous exaggerations or references to 1984 and the Nazis. It suggests a nuanced worldview that goes beyond simple black-and-white thinking about complicated issues.
Please hand in your Slashdot ID.
Re:Devolution by circletimessquare · 2012-06-15 04:05 · Score: 1

don't worry, we'll censor the comment, and all will be normal again

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Re:Devolution by circletimessquare · 2012-06-15 04:06 · Score: 2

go read the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders and reference the section on Criteria for Paranoid Schizophrenia

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Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 04:06 · Score: 0

[i]If youre asking if there are any countries where the internet is completely unrestrained and there is no enforcement of any laws whatsoever, no, there arent[/i]
Incorrect. I live in a country where our politicians barely know how to use email properly, and we only have one cable broadband internet provider, who can barely keep all the channels on.
The internet is a free vast open place for us...for now at least.
Re:Devolution by circletimessquare · 2012-06-15 04:07 · Score: 1

thank you
you said better than what i said in a sister comment

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Re:Devolution by JasterBobaMereel · 2012-06-15 04:08 · Score: 1

GPL is needed because of Copyright laws .... an artificial monopoly
Without copyright and patents the GPL would not be necessary .... the GPL is there for something already free and open, to keep it free and open ...
The USA and UK are not perfect (by a long way) but are reasonably free ... unlike Ethiopia with most definitely is not ....
But there are freer counties, so they are definitely not the best examples of a fairly free and open system

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Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 04:11 · Score: 1

and rightfully so.
Sorry, but if Slovenia's hate speech laws are anything like every other European countries I've seen (I'm most familiar with Germany and the UK, both of whom I would accuse of legislating thought crime) they're far more restrictive than in say, the USA. Just because you agree with it doesn't make it not censorship.
Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 04:12 · Score: 0

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Hate speech? What, did somebody suggest that the holocaust never happened?
Re:Devolution by Tharsman · 2012-06-15 04:14 · Score: 4, Insightful

Bull. You are revising living memory. Of course it existed. It existed fifteen years ago, everywhere. The tech to listen in on all calls did not exist, nor was it legal. It was absolutely, constitutionally ILLEGAL to spy on citizens in the USA. We talked on the phone and messaged each other in the happy knowledge that it took a court order or Scientology operatives to obtain phone conversations or internet activity. Such things are possible today because our citizens are technologically and politcally illiterate and have absolutely no cultural memory past ALF reruns. The US is stupiding itself to death. OF COURSE WE HAD PRIVACY!! You gave it up!
There has been technology to wiretap calls for as long as there have been telephones. All you needed was access to the telephone company. Heck in the extreme early days, before phones were able to dial, a cop may simply sit by the operator and listen in.
There was a middle ground where it took a bit more legwork to get the wiretapping done, but there was no point where it became impossible if desired.
Yes, you “need” the court order, but that order can be granted in secret and is granted if no other ways to prove you are guilty of the investigated "serious" crime is available. If you are innocent, that usually means they will wiretap you because they wont find anything else to tie you up to the crime.
Over the decades warrants have been given to investigate even people just vaguely related to the real target of an investigation, as they may shed light on the target himself.
This is nothing new, and these computer monitoring is being implemented by many countries that simply don’t want to lose their ability to keep monitoring everything at will.
Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 04:17 · Score: 3, Insightful

It's in my dictionary:
The process of declining from a higher level to a lower level of effective power or vitality or essential quality. Syn. degeneration.
See this is why I come on here and post "nigger" and other racial jokes, troll about politics or operating systems, ask anybody who mentions an intelligent woman if that woman is fat, and just generally fuck around. It's the only way to have fun around here anymore.

Do you know why? Do you know why that is?

Because you motherfuckers will get into crazy-ass passionate fights over stupid shit like whether "devolution" is a word.

For. Fuck's. Sake. You. Motherfuckers. You know exactly what the guy meant. He might not have said it just the way you like. Hell for that matter he might be wearing a tie that clashes with his shirt. SO FUCKING WHAT?!

I know programming takesa this kind of precision and attention to detail. Now then, take a big big bite of your Ass Burger. Tastes good? Alright! Now I'm going to explain what your poor negligent daddy should have told you long ago, you anal-retentive Asspie fucks: you need to figure out that not EVERYTHING in life is exactly the same as programming. Specifically, when you form entire threads about the use of ONE WORD in a casual, informal discussion, you're Doing It Wrong(tm).

I won't throw in the bullshit about Mama and her basement because it's old as hell and I'm not so smug as to think you can't get an apartment somewhere. As a gentleman, I will ask when the last time was that you had a beautiful woman in your arms who wanted to stay there a while. Perspective, man.
Re:Devolution by cpu6502 · 2012-06-15 04:17 · Score: 1

Ultimately this is about this sentence:
"to protect the state's telecommunications monopoly." Government are monopolies and the politicians or bureaucrats therein desire to keep that monopoly. Whether it's a monopoly over power or money (or both). The U.S. government doesn't allow any other company to deliver letter mail. Why? Because it's protecting its monopoly. Another example is Comcast which, in many cities or counties, has been given a monopoly by their favorite friend: the government. Nobody else may laydown lines to supply CATV.
There are MANY laws on the books that are about, in essence, the government protecting its or somebody else's monopoly and limiting individuals' freedom of choice. Like forcing us to buy hospital insurance, which precludes other solutions (paying cash directly, forming a health coop, becoming best friends with a doctor, or just simply deciding to trust God, Fate, Whatever).

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Re:Devolution by bhcompy · 2012-06-15 04:19 · Score: 2

I take it you never watched the Super Mario Bros movie
Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 04:21 · Score: 0

There is no such thing devolution, only evolution in a direction you don't like.
Obviously you have never seen Australian Parliamentary Question Time..
Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 04:22 · Score: 0

I hate it when people are reasonable.
Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 04:30 · Score: 0

Right, because there is no such thing as manufactured consent? You are a moron.
Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 04:32 · Score: 0

Harsh, but sadly, an accurate assessment.
Re:Devolution by circletimessquare · 2012-06-15 04:37 · Score: 4, Funny

Don't worry man, I'm just an advance Internet Forum Consent Engineer (tm), my assignment is Slashdot Task Force 45D, subsection truth bearer neutralization.
We are aware of the few geniuses such as yourself who have independently stumbled upon the real truth the Bilderberg Agenda (tm) has so desperately worked to keep secret, and we will not let you ruin our plans.
So I must continuously mock you so as to keep the others properly propagandized and placated.

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Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 04:40 · Score: 1

We are devo.
Re:Devolution by Dishevel · 2012-06-15 04:45 · Score: 4, Funny

D.E.V.O.

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Re:Devolution by EvilBudMan · 2012-06-15 04:51 · Score: 1

We never really have had privacy in my lifetime BUT at least back in the good ole days they didn't have the resources to spy on every single person as they do today with cheap computers and surveillance equipment.
Now legally you are probably right. But if it doesn't work legally they work extralegal (Hoover), so it really doesn't matter. So you are right in the sense that we now have no sense.
Now it's pretty cool if Hoover had a file on you. Now they just have a file on everyone and they now also have computers to help them read them all. Remember the Nazi's had this tech direct from IBM to find the Jews real quick. Of course there is a little less crime this way but the potential for abuse is pretty high right now.
Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 04:52 · Score: 0

I believe the word he was looking for was "involution".
Re:Devolution by EvilBudMan · 2012-06-15 04:53 · Score: 1

Wasn't Ethiopia where Obama was born? Donald Trump wants to know.
Re:Devolution by EvilBudMan · 2012-06-15 04:56 · Score: 1

You know there is a fine line between hate speech and free speech. Most of it all lately seems to be coming for campaign speeches but whatdya gonna do bout it?
Re:Devolution by circletimessquare · 2012-06-15 04:59 · Score: 1

No!
Don't mod Insightful!
Now the Truth Bearer Neutralization Procedure (tm) is backfiring, the truth that the independent genius has uncovered about our conspiracy, it is given too much prominence!
Why Slashdot why!? Do you know what the torture chambers of the interdimensional Illuminati Lizard Kings are like?!
Oh no... I hear that unmistakeable hum now... they are coming! I've failed in my duties!
Cruel, cruel intarwebs forums!

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Re:Devolution by camperdave · 2012-06-15 05:08 · Score: 1

Bullshit. The tech to listen on phone calls has existed as long as phones have existed, and if you think the didn't listen in on calls, constitutionally or otherwise, I have a bridge to sell you.
Really? Because some guy sold me some beachfront property on an island in the Florida Everglades. He had to sell it because there was no bridge to the island.

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Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 05:12 · Score: 0

The U.S. government doesn't allow any other company to deliver letter mail. Why? Because the power to establish a post office and post roads is granted to it by the Constitution.
FTFY
Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 05:13 · Score: 0

GPL was created because of non-sharing of modifications, plain and simple, and you can read the story of the GPL on the FSF site.
GPL style sharing (copyleft) would not exist without GPL copyright enforcement. Don't believe me? If you have an half-brain read the license and try to make that happen without copyright. Otherwise just ask RMS or listen to the many talks where he mentions it.
So NO, GPL is not about keeping everything in a "copyrightless" state, we have MIT/BSD/etc for that, that give software more "copyrightless" conditions than GPL.
GPL is about ENFORCING rules on how you use something, whether that's good or bad is beyond the fact that enforcement is the purpose of the license.
Don't try to mask it as something else, you only cause confusion and please read at least gpl2 and 3 to know what you're talking about.
Re:Devolution by LordLimecat · 2012-06-15 05:14 · Score: 1

What youre saying is, youre one of those countries that doesnt enforce laws that might put the Russian Business Network out of business?
Wow, what a utopia.
Re:Devolution by Barsteward · 2012-06-15 05:18 · Score: 1

"Dell servers == Anal Rape." - stop sitting on your servers then....

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Re:Devolution by Dishevel · 2012-06-15 05:21 · Score: 3, Informative

lol.
Best post yet.
Yelling at people on a forum that you choose to visit about how they are all fucked for posting the way everyone in this forum does.
Getting all bent out of shape on purpose all the while yelling that we should all have better shit to do.
You are priceless.

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Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 05:33 · Score: 0

How soon before a nation state starts filtering a root DNS server?
Re:Devolution by Junta · 2012-06-15 05:41 · Score: 1

Without copyright and patents the GPL would not be necessary

Actually, without copyright the GPL would be impossible. The specific intent of GPL contrasted with, for example BSD could not be fulfilled (to prevent third parties to subvert the project through closed source redistribution. BSD intent also could not be fulfilled (permit third parties more freedom use, but at least preserve attribution). If someone truly wishes to abstain from copyright/patent system they can, just declare the work to be public domain and then the work is no longer subject to copyright and patent restrictions.
If you are trying to imply the GPL grants some sort of immunity to violating the copyright and patents of *other* works, that would be incorrect. GPL and BSD users had better at least believe in copyright.

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Re:Devolution by tepples · 2012-06-15 06:01 · Score: 1

With no copyright, people could make and lawfully share commented disassemblies of binary-only software.
Re:Devolution by slippyblade · 2012-06-15 06:01 · Score: 1

The U.S. government doesn't allow any other company to deliver letter mail. Why? Because it's protecting its monopoly.
I agree with most of your post except this part. I cam completely free to send a letter via any means I choose. UPS, FedEX, DHL, trained pigeon. Doesn't matter. It just happens that the US Postal Service is the most economical and, statistically based on sheer volume, reliable method of doing so.
Re:Devolution by slippyblade · 2012-06-15 06:08 · Score: 1

Silly person, Obama was born in the Republic of Kenya! Never mind that it wasn't known as that until Obama was four years old. But then, why let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy story?
Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 06:21 · Score: 0

Incorrect. Unless you enclose the letter within a package, only USPS will deliver it. For the others it is illegal to be the last carrier. Note that USPS is allowed to force the others to carry post, but again, not as the last carrier.
Re:Devolution by EvilBudMan · 2012-06-15 06:30 · Score: 1

Yeah it was called Hawaii back then I think. I was raised by wolves in a cave near Berlin or I mean Donald Trump was of course.
Re:Devolution by Catbeller · 2012-06-15 06:31 · Score: 5, Insightful

That wasn't what I addressed. Of course they could tap phones, and they did - with court orders and with records of their taps. One at a time. At least they had to show an interest.
But now they are listening to ALL OUR CALLS. ALL OF THEM. And when the NSA gets that data center in Utah online next year, they will record. every. single. call. All the web pages visits. No exceptions. No warrants. They will be able to run a timeline backwards on anyone or any group of associates to go a-huntin' crimes or anti-government activity. Forever.
Address that, not the straw man. We lived in a world without 24/7 spying on every damned thing we do, and now we do, because 1) no cultural memory of a time when it wasn't so 2) kids raised with no civil liberty at school don't get why no liberties as an adult is bad and 3) the tech has changed and 4) the national security state has really metastasized and is spreading across the world as fast as we can sell the equipment.
Re:Devolution by davester666 · 2012-06-15 06:32 · Score: 1

It's only English in the UK. It's english everywhere else...

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Re:Devolution by SuperTechnoNerd · 2012-06-15 06:34 · Score: 1

I said here recently the Internet will be unrecognizable in ten years from what it is now.

I was wrong.

I'll give it five..
Re:Devolution by gv250 · 2012-06-15 06:38 · Score: 1

The U.S. government doesn't allow any other company to deliver letter mail. Why? Because it's protecting its monopoly.
I am completely free to send a letter via any means I choose.
Except, you aren't.
Re:Devolution by squiggleslash · 2012-06-15 06:41 · Score: 1, Funny

Are we not men?

Or vagina?

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Re:Devolution by codewarren · 2012-06-15 06:47 · Score: 2

I just noticed that where I live that apostrophes are now being censored.
Re:Devolution by EvilBudMan · 2012-06-15 06:48 · Score: 1

I forgot something else Romney wrote COBOL 1.0 before that.
Re:Devolution by kat_skan · 2012-06-15 06:54 · Score: 2

Or perhaps like all rational people he's just repressing his memory of it.
Re:Devolution by squiggleslash · 2012-06-15 07:09 · Score: 1

Amazing how the GP is wrong but both the "correctors" choose the wrong thing to correct.
The GP is entirely free to send a letter by any means he or she chooses.
However, the statement "It just happens that the US Postal Service is the most economical and, statistically based on sheer volume, reliable method of doing so." is wrong. Current law sets minimum prices (and service levels!) for Fedex and others, making their prices uncompetitive for anything but express (in practice, express interstate) mail.
This was actually explained at the link you posted!

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Re:Devolution by fustakrakich · 2012-06-15 07:15 · Score: 1

Skewering powerful political figures is only legal because it has no effect. None of them are losing their jobs over it.The ones that do were never very powerful to begin with. In all those 'nasty' countries the politician has to squeeze a little harder to keep their position. Only a lecherous traitor on the inside can get them out. The injustice of the system as a whole remains untouched in all cases.

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Re:Devolution by S.O.B. · 2012-06-15 07:20 · Score: 2

Actually, it's English everywhere.

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Re:Devolution by hairyfeet · 2012-06-15 08:23 · Score: 2

I don't think you need a term like de-evolution which a much more classical term applies MUCH better, and that is good old fashioned fascism. As we know fascism can take two main forms, where the corporate controls the state and where the state controls the corporate, but in the end its two sides of the same coin. In the end we get what we are seeing all over the planet, where a few men in the halls of power use their ever growing power of force to ensure their power never decreases by keeping those nasty peasants in a state of fear and closely monitored for "subversive behavior".
I would say its the Arab Springs that caused it but I think its been going on longer than that, its just the Arab Springs made them drop all pretense of being subtle. Now that they have seen that the "rabble" can actually cause men who have wielded power for decades to be brought before the courts or even killed I think we will be seeing the "kid gloves" come off more and more as those power mongers fight to keep what they consider divinely given, their absolute right to rule. Frankly I have a feeling things will be especially nasty here in the USA as the corps and govt have been in bed for quite awhile and the MSM gives the corp/gov hybrid a propaganda machine that would make old Joe Stalin green with envy. Just look at how quickly they were able to turn the conversation into "Assange is a rapist arrogant dirtball" from "Hey WTF HAS our government been doing?". I have a feeling if Watgergate happened today Woodward and Bernstein would join Deep Throat in Gitmo while the press talked about how wonderful Nixon was.

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Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 08:54 · Score: 0

You're looking at it. Great Britain, USA, Ethiopia, China, Saudi Arabia... are there *any* countries where an internet connection can be had with complete freedom of access and no censorship?
Lumping in high democracy countries (Great Britain, USA from your list) with authoritarian regimes (Ethiopia, Saudi Arabia from your list) leads to interesting results (scroll down to the middle of the article to see the comparison):
http://www.graphoftheweek.org/2012/03/nordic-countries-dominate-world-in.html
While there may be some issues in full democracies with regards to the internet, we have it much, much better than those living under authoritarian regimes. In this above article, it's pretty clear that even getting access to the internet can be problematic in less free countries. Something to ponder.
Re:Devolution by gmanterry · 2012-06-15 09:42 · Score: 3, Interesting

Actually, it's English everywhere.
Wrong! I was in the Peace Corps in the Ivory Coast West Africa where I taught at the University of Abidjan. My English friend Donard, taught English. I taught American. They considered them to be two separate and distinct languages.

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Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 10:22 · Score: 0

Sealand.
Re:Devolution by haruchai · 2012-06-15 12:09 · Score: 1

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/devolution
devolution
[dev-uh-loo-shuhn or, especially Brit., dee-vuh-] Example Sentences Origin
devolution
[dev-uh-loo-shuhn or, especially Brit., dee-vuh-] Show IPA
noun
1.
the act or fact of devolving; passage onward from stage to stage.
2.
the passing on to a successor of an unexercised right.
3.
Law . the passing of property from one to another, as by hereditary succession.
4.
Biology . degeneration.
5.
the transfer of power or authority from a central government to a local government.
Origin:
1535–45; ( Middle French ) Medieval Latin dvoltin- (stem of dvolti ) a rolling down, equivalent to Latin dvolt ( us ) rolled down (past participle of dvolvere; see devolve) + -in- -ion

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Re:Devolution by Junta · 2012-06-15 14:40 · Score: 1

Yes, but that has nothing to do with GPL.

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Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 14:51 · Score: 0

lol. Best post yet. Yelling at people on a forum that you choose to visit about how they are all fucked for posting the way everyone in this forum does. Getting all bent out of shape on purpose all the while yelling that we should all have better shit to do. You are priceless.
If that's easier for you than seeing the point being made, then ok, uh, rock on dude!

It's hard to communicate intelligently with nerds who might even fight about whether Captain Kirk is better than Captain Picard. Or people who want to waste the first big thread in a discussion talking about what does or doesn't constitute devolution. Maybe that's hard for you to understand because you're either placing bets on the fight, or you're one of the passionate combatants, but for others that's pretty damned glaring and obvious.

It is hard to rationally deal with people who make mountains of molehills. Is that so hard to understand? Is that "getting all bent out of shape on purpose" when you were told that the preferred way of dealing with these idiots is to troll them? No, it isn't, stop being stupid about this. Trolling them is a way of having your own fun no matter how idiotic they choose to be. I know you are a douche-bag and want to act like a douche-bag to an AC who said something that offends you, but seriously, get the fuck over yourself before you turn into a complete fucking retard who can't observe any obvious cues at all.
Re:Devolution by tepples · 2012-06-15 14:57 · Score: 1

Copyleft exists to ensure that derivatives can't be locked up behind unavailability of source code. Without copyright, there would be enough people with enough time on their hands to reverse-engineer proprietary software that unavailability of source code would not be as much of a barrier. Such disassembly already happens today albeit below the radar.
Re:Devolution by LordLimecat · 2012-06-15 20:01 · Score: 1

Try it in China and see how far you get before you end up mining rocks 16 hours a day.
Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 23:44 · Score: 0

Can't believe the number of whooshes here. In American, English is still capitalized, is it not?
Re:Devolution by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-16 01:45 · Score: 0

Serbia for example. And I believe Montenegro and Bosnia too. Dunno bout others in Balkans.
We just don't fucking care.
Re:Devolution by Zemran · 2012-06-16 03:39 · Score: 1

Devolution is to devolve govenment i.e. if California has a vote to decide if they should seek autonomous power within the USA they would be voting on Devolution and if the vote is successful and agreed by the US government they would go through the process of devolution. Scotland and Northern Ireland are devolved governments. They are still part of the UK but they have their own parliaments and certain controls over what they do. They are not independent.

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Re:Devolution by Zemran · 2012-06-16 03:46 · Score: 1

Why did anyone mark this down? Some writes some sanity and the anal retentives get their adult diapers in a twist. The discussion is supposed to be about a real and serious issue where a whole country is being oppressed and people would rather argue some irrelevant grammar issue and mark down someone who points out your stupidity.
Respect to you !!!

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Re:Devolution by JBaustian · 2012-06-16 04:41 · Score: 1

Today the president and the mainstream media share the same enemies' list. Woodward and Bernstein would be welcome on Fox News but nowhere else. Watergate would get 11 seconds of mention on Good Morning America, but be totally ignored on all the evening newscasts.

Stonewalling works the same in 2012 as it did in 1973.
Re:Devolution by jakimfett · 2012-06-16 16:04 · Score: 1

Looks like I need to step up the pace on my darknet project...

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Re:Devolution by hairyfeet · 2012-06-16 16:15 · Score: 1

Sadly I doubt they'd even be welcome there, as while they might care if the POTUS gets a blowjob they sure as fuck don't want it coming out some major corps are buying power or influencing the direction of the nation, because they know in x number of years it'll be their turn and they don't want anyone looking into THEIR dirty dealings.
This is why i truly believe the only hope for the Internet is tech like Freenet and Tor that let you build an anonymous network on TOP of what we have, because to both sides the threat of a populace able to organize and rally is a threat. you look at the donors lists of both parties and while one or two faces may change its the same ones in the halls of power year after year. It is the money brokers, the banksters, the power mongers, it is they who wield the REAL power, the rest are nothing but employees of the machine. you look back into history and groups like Goldman Sachs and the Rothschilds have been holding huge sums of power for generations now, they simply pass it on like a legacy.
That is why I think Watergate was an aberrational occurrence, a glitch before they gained enough power to ensure such a thing doesn't happen again. Look at Wikileaks sometime, the amount of dirty deals they found out about will disgust you, such as a PMC selling 10 year old boys for political favors of the tribal leaders and the same group did the same trick in Bosnia with 10 year old girls. Did the MSM have a fit? Nope they just read the "Assange is a dirty rapist traitor" cue cards and went back to business as usual.

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Re:Devolution by fustakrakich · 2012-06-17 04:38 · Score: 1

Guess you didn't comprehend the entire post...

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Re:Devolution by Phoghat · 2012-06-17 05:34 · Score: 1

Hey, kid, get off my lawn

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Re:Devolution by mgcarley · 2012-06-25 06:40 · Score: 1

You should probably be adding India to that list of relatively heavily censored countries.

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is this the first case.... by ganjadude · 2012-06-15 03:05 · Score: 1

of TOR being blocked on an ISP level??

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Re:is this the first case.... by JustOK · 2012-06-15 03:21 · Score: 2, Funny

no

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Re:is this the first case.... by YodasEvilTwin · 2012-06-15 03:28 · Score: 5, Funny

Mod parent up. His useful explanation is overshadowed only by the in-depth article he linked to.
Re:is this the first case.... by detritus. · 2012-06-15 03:39 · Score: 1

Not at all. The solution to this is OBFSProxy which rides the protocol on other application layer protocols. The Tor project always has tricks up their sleeves.
Re:is this the first case.... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 04:37 · Score: 0

I admit it, I didn't read the linked to article. I just read the summary.
Re:is this the first case.... by EvilBudMan · 2012-06-15 04:59 · Score: 1

I didn't even do that. There has been a long tradition of NOT doing that here.
Re:is this the first case.... by AliasMarlowe · 2012-06-15 07:22 · Score: 1

Mod parent up. His useful explanation is overshadowed only by the in-depth article he linked to.
Uh, GP was tl;dr

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Re:is this the first case.... by JustOK · 2012-06-15 07:40 · Score: 1

k

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Re:is this the first case.... by AK+Marc · 2012-06-15 08:40 · Score: 1

There exist ways to block that as well, but they aren't in sufficient demand to be used yet. Hurestics were a big deal for a while, but the falst positive rate was so high that they have been ignored for a long time. Tor traffic looks like Tor traffic, and nothing can change that. If you send out one packet every 20 ms to a single IP, that's VoIP, If you have 2000 connections to 2000 different IPs with more traffic coming in than going out, lots of big packets, that's bittorrent, even if encrypted, trackerless, and tunneled over HTTP. What it does can't be hidden by wrappers. Eventually Tor will work only over email with stenographic images included, for a couple weeks. The application still works the same, regardless of how you obfuscate it.

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Re:is this the first case.... by detritus. · 2012-06-15 09:41 · Score: 1

There probably are ways, but typically if they are aware of any new blocking methods, they find new ways to get around it. It's really a game of wac-a-mole. Either that, or they might as well pull the plug.
Re:is this the first case.... by AK+Marc · 2012-06-15 10:51 · Score: 1

The final answer to that is whitelists. If you aren't government approved, you can't be reached.

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Re:is this the first case.... by detritus. · 2012-06-15 12:04 · Score: 1

Ah, then it becomes an intranet.
Re:is this the first case.... by Kagetsuki · 2012-06-15 22:39 · Score: 1

You realize writing "tor blocked" in the search box in your browser and hitting enter would have yielded the result that not only is China blocking TOR, but some ISP's in the UK are already as well. I'd give links but I'd rather let you learn how to do your own research. You know, teach a man to fish and all that.
Not everybody has to post links because you're too lazy to search for your own information. If you can't find information that backs up someones point then go ahed and ask - but be warned whatever links people paste could be biased or fabricated to back up their point to begin with. Then there's always this: https://xkcd.com/978/ .

National Security by Hatta · 2012-06-15 03:11 · Score: 5, Funny

National Security is a threat to National Security. Anyone who uses National Security as an excuse should be locked up to protect National Security.

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Re:National Security by bartosek · 2012-06-15 03:16 · Score: 0

My kingdom for a mod point
Re:National Security by dkleinsc · 2012-06-15 03:18 · Score: 2

Of course, by your own argument, you should be locked up immediately!

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Re:National Security by ZeroSumHappiness · 2012-06-15 03:23 · Score: 2

Hey, if it makes it so that people can't willy-nilly invoke National Security as a defense I think that's a price worth paying.
Re:National Security by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:26 · Score: 0, Offtopic

MATT DAMON!!
Re:National Security by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:32 · Score: 0

"National security" is a threat to national security. Anyone who uses "national security" as an excuse should be locked up by guards hired from National Security to protect national security.
Re:National Security by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:46 · Score: 0

Mods missed the Good Will Hunting reference. Try to be less obscure next time.
Re:National Security by Githaron · 2012-06-15 04:38 · Score: 1

Ah! Infinite recursion!
Re:National Security by PPalmgren · 2012-06-15 04:56 · Score: 2

Yo Dawg, I heard you like National Security, so we put National Security in your National Security so you can get arrested while you arrest.

Deep Packet Inspection? Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:12 · Score: 3, Informative

"The organization notes that the ISP must be using relatively sophisticated Deep Packet Inspection to filter out this traffic."

There is zero reason people *need* to use DPI to block Tor Traffic. You simply run compatible Tor connectivity software (i.e. The Tor Client) and create a list of those users who can accept communications with you--compare the nodes on that list with nodes that are within your networks; done.

Re:Deep Packet Inspection? Wrong. by EmperorArthur · 2012-06-15 04:33 · Score: 1

It's not that easy.
https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en
Tor clients are just that. Clients. They connect to servers that forward encrypted traffic to an outbound proxy server.
There are ways to try and catch Tor users. They could run there own forwarding servers, and look for connections to them from inside the country. They couldn't decrypt the data, but they could at least see who was using the software. They could also monitor traffic going to the database that keeps track of all the servers. Another way would be to run an exit node, and hope that the tor user sends personal identifiable data over an unencrypted connection. All of this is without touching DPI.
There are mitigation option available. Blacklisting IP blocks from the server database is an easy one to implement, but it can quickly turn into a game of whack-a-mole. When a user first runs the Tor software it asks if tor is blocked in your country. If you say yes then it won't connect to the central database. There are other ways to get a list of good servers to connect to. It's more of a hassle, but it's one less attack vector.
So, no they do not have to run DPI to detect at least a portion of Tor users. They also probably don't need to run DPI to see if someone is even trying to use Skype or VoIp. However, most countries want good spying capabilities and that requires at least some DPI. If they can afford it then it is often well worth the cost to just use DPI for everything.

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Re:Deep Packet Inspection? Wrong. by omnichad · 2012-06-15 06:27 · Score: 1

So...if every user in your country sets up a blacklist such that they only connect to nodes outside their own country, then you can't block them. Unless you put nodes in another country or spoof the IP of another country.

Now who will complain about evil carriers in US? by mapkinase · 2012-06-15 03:14 · Score: 2, Interesting

Now who will complain about evil carriers in US after you will get a perspective of what they do in Ethiopia? :-)

Jokes aside, Islam (Ethiopia has 3 times more Muslims than in 100% Muslim Somalia) prohibits prying and spying on civilians, so any snooping, any PATRIOT act, any FISA laws would be impossible under Islamic government.

They might prohibit certain services altogether to prevent spread of lewdness, but they won't spy on you.

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how about the tourist? by fredan · 2012-06-15 03:15 · Score: 1

are they also under this law?

Re:how about the tourist? by YodasEvilTwin · 2012-06-15 03:30 · Score: 1

Why would the exclude foreign heathens from their laws? In the hopes that a journalist's exposé would provoke the US into bombing the crap out of them? No :P

Using sophisticated Deep Packet Inspection by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:17 · Score: 0

"The organization notes that the ISP must be using relatively sophisticated Deep Packet Inspection to filter out this traffic"

Almost certainly provided by a US or European country.

Re:Using sophisticated Deep Packet Inspection by EvilBudMan · 2012-06-15 05:08 · Score: 1

No doubt. Cisco sells this stuff BUT they are not supposed to, to Iran, North Korea, Cuba, etc. but Saudi Arabia is wide open.

WTF? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:17 · Score: 3, Insightful

You're looking at it. Great Britain, USA, Ethiopia, China, Saudi Arabia... are there *any* countries where an internet connection can be had with complete freedom of access and no censorship?

What the F are you yammering on about, you nob? It is completely common to have a completely free(from a libertarian perspective) and uncensored internet connection from a plethora of ISP in the United States and the United Kingdom. Genuine issues abound in many countries, including Ethiopia and the risk of the erosion of freedoms in many other places does exist. But, you hyperbolic patent falsifications erode people's willingness to take these matters seriously. In the long run, you are doing far more harm than good.

Please feel free to STFU!

Re:WTF? by poetmatt · 2012-06-15 03:47 · Score: 1

doesn't exist, sorry.
Considering NSA taps on the backbone for the gov't "Free" is a strawman.
What they are focusing on is "is it monitored?" and the answer is: yes. If the ISP doesn't that has no bearings on gov't decisions. Does that mean anything will come of it? Probably not.
Re:WTF? by couchslug · 2012-06-15 03:55 · Score: 0

Fapping to Dystopia is a morbid but popular pastime and reflex among many people.
It's no substitute for thinking, and is like apocalyptic religious superstition in that respect.
"Please feel free to STFU!"
Indeed.

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Re:WTF? by flyingsquid · 2012-06-15 04:20 · Score: 4, Interesting

What the F are you yammering on about, you nob? It is completely common to have a completely free(from a libertarian perspective) and uncensored internet connection from a plethora of ISP in the United States and the United Kingdom. Genuine issues abound in many countries, including Ethiopia and the risk of the erosion of freedoms in many other places does exist. But, you hyperbolic patent falsifications erode people's willingness to take these matters seriously. In the long run, you are doing far more harm than good.
Please feel free to STFU!
Seconded. There are real issues, but saying "OMG teh USA is just like China!" is really not helpful. The situation is a lot more complex than that. The United States has actually done a pretty amazing job promoting free speech on some fronts- the U.S. government invented the internet after all, and private U.S. companies such as Google, Twitter, and Facebook have provided the means for people to engage in free speech. The article mentions Ethiopia trying to block Tor... well, the Tor anonymity network was actually developed by the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory.
At the same time, you have to ask where all of the technology to censor the internet is coming from in the first place. China doesn't really need any help, but for countries like Syria, Iran, and Ethiopia to monitor the internet, they need outside help. The answer is that this help comes from the west- there are companies in Silicon Valley and in Europe that are willing to sell the equipment and software needed to hack into, store, and analyze the communications of their citizens. They make a profit, and they don't ask too many questions about whether this technology might lead to the arrest and torture of dissidents.
The article mentions that Ethiopia is using Deep Packet Inspection to filter out the internet and block Tor. The question becomes, who's providing them with this technology? If we want to make a difference that's how we could do it- figure out where this technology is coming from and then apply pressure to the company selling this technology. If the companies selling this technology are held up to public scrutiny and faced with the prospect of boycotts and negative press, a lot of them will back off.
Re:WTF? by h4rr4r · 2012-06-15 04:31 · Score: 1

Not true, internet in the UK blocks pirate bay and other websites that the government doesn't like. Such as child porn and the like.
If we should even have such a completely free internet is a whole other kettle of fish.
Re:WTF? by silanea · 2012-06-15 05:03 · Score: 1

a completely free(from a libertarian perspective) and uncensored internet connection from a plethora of ISP in the United States and the United Kingdom. [...]
Oh, really? Please define "libertarian".

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Re:WTF? by fa2k · 2012-06-15 05:40 · Score: 3, Insightful

[fa2k@blackhole tmp]$ wget http://thepiratebay.org/ --2012-06-15 18:37:01-- http://thepiratebay.org/ Resolving thepiratebay.org... 194.71.107.50 Connecting to thepiratebay.org|194.71.107.50|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden 2012-06-15 18:37:01 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
[fa2k@blackhole tmp]$ traceroute thepiratebay.org traceroute to thepiratebay.org (194.71.107.50), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 192.168.1.250 (192.168.1.250) 0.312 ms 0.403 ms 0.465 ms 2 O2WirelessBox.lan (192.168.1.254) 106.684 ms 106.668 ms 106.560 ms 3 * * * 4 * * * 5 * * * 6 * * * 7 10.1.1.98 (10.1.1.98) 27.569 ms 23.957 ms 24.665 ms 8 10.1.1.101 (10.1.1.101) 26.545 ms 25.573 ms 27.624 ms 9 10.1.1.141 (10.1.1.141) 26.972 ms 24.243 ms 26.153 ms 10 10.1.2.114 (10.1.2.114) 26.168 ms 25.883 ms 24.447 ms 11 259.ge-1-2-2.mpr1.lhr3.uk.above.net (213.152.232.65) 25.520 ms 25.485 ms 25.535 ms 12 xe-4-0-0.mpr2.lhr3.uk.above.net (64.125.27.154) 26.041 ms 25.472 ms 25.535 ms 13 above-gblx.lhr3.uk.above.net (64.125.12.154) 25.629 ms 24.365 ms 26.040 ms 14 power-och-tandom-t-lane.tengigabitethernet1-3.ar1.arn3.gblx.net (208.48.1.246) 61.445 ms 64.784 ms 64.557 ms 15 gi-1-6-nano-demarc.sto1.se.portlane.net (80.67.1.42) 60.103 ms 64.794 ms 61.531 ms 16 194.68.0.202 (194.68.0.202) 67.593 ms 61.923 ms 62.026 ms 17 sthix-ge-0-2.moria-cr-1.piratpartiet.net (192.121.80.181) 59.776 ms 59.833 ms 62.935 ms 18 thepiratebay.piratpartiet.se (194.14.56.2) 63.485 ms 63.542 ms 60.908 ms 19 * * * 20 *^C
Re:WTF? by dlb · 2012-06-15 05:50 · Score: 1

Good god, man, get a new ISP.
Re:WTF? by fa2k · 2012-06-15 06:03 · Score: 1

Yeah, it's a good argument against getting "free" internet with your rent if I ever saw one. I'll be out of here in 6 months though.
Re:WTF? by tlambert · 2012-06-15 07:35 · Score: 1

Seconded. There are real issues, but saying "OMG teh USA is just like China!" is really not helpful. The situation is a lot more complex than that. The United States has actually done a pretty amazing job promoting free speech on some fronts- the U.S. government invented the internet after all, and private U.S. companies such as Google, Twitter, and Facebook have provided the means for people to engage in free speech.
In the U.S. we're even doing more proactive things than that to encourage free speech! We're setting aside "zones" for it so you can speak about whatever you want with like minded people! That the people you actually want to get your message don't have to hear you is a glitch I'm sure will be worked out shortly...
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Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 15:35 · Score: 0

This is the same Facebook who's founder was telling us a few years ago that we [paraphasing] 'have no privacy - get over it'?
Re:WTF? by johnsn0w · 2012-06-16 03:11 · Score: 1

Nothing new in this. There's like 8 layers of NATing before you can get out of this place. Not to mention a transparent proxy...

Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by Pieroxy · 2012-06-15 03:17 · Score: 2, Insightful

They might prohibit certain services altogether to prevent spread of lewdness, but they won't spy on you.

Wanna bet? If it suits their interest, they will. There is no doubt about it.

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Re:Africa by LordLimecat · 2012-06-15 03:20 · Score: 1

Im not aware of the Tea Party being a fan of big government.

Oh wait youre just trolling, carry on.

What are they afraid of? by Skapare · 2012-06-15 03:22 · Score: 3, Insightful

What are they afraid of? They are the government. Oh wait ...

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Re:What are they afraid of? by LongearedBat · 2012-06-15 04:55 · Score: 1

"If you can't trust the governments of the world, then who can you trust?"
(Quote from Yahoo Serious)
Re:What are they afraid of? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 13:50 · Score: 0

It's Ethiopia. The government will be different next decade.

Waste of money by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · 2012-06-15 03:22 · Score: 3, Interesting

Imagine the number of starving people they could feed, or development projects they could fund, with the money they channel into running computers to control the citizenry...

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What happens to truly disruptive tech by Catbeller · 2012-06-15 03:24 · Score: 2

Who is providing the software and hardware for the deep filtering? Who are the scum? It's like peddling POS tablets for pedophile brothels. Who the hell is providing police state software to imprison the population?

And this is what happens when you really make a tool to end-run police states, such as the US or the UK. They make it illegal and imprison you. Ask Assange.

Re:What happens to truly disruptive tech by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · 2012-06-15 03:39 · Score: 3, Interesting

Well, Sandvine is the big name in DPI tech, though there are others. Googling 'Lawful Intercept capability' brings up a fair list of vendors, pretty much everybody who sells networking gear, along with a few specialists.

Empirically speaking, there would appear to be a lot of competent techies who are either actively authoritarian or very good at the yuppie Nuremberg defense; because this stuff doesn't build itself, and it doesn't get built by throwing jackbooted morons at the problem...

Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:27 · Score: 0

The worst part of this, is that you'd probably only need data plans on your phones, except for emergency calls. They have the BW for it, but now they are establishing their data capped plans so that VoIP providers cannot compete with the wireless carriers.

In my country phone companies bankrupt a couple of network providers because they offered voice plans on top of their data plans. They sue them, made them take those services out, of course, breaking enterprise contracts.

Who's going to stop their greed and lack of innovation?

Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by ZeroSumHappiness · 2012-06-15 03:27 · Score: 4, Insightful

Exactly, just like a Christian government will provide for those who cannot provide for themselves a Muslim government would never spy on anyone.

A preventive measure by Hentes · 2012-06-15 03:28 · Score: 4, Funny

so the prince can't contact people to get his money out.

Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by dcollins · 2012-06-15 03:28 · Score: 5, Informative

Wikipedia > Internet censorship by country > Pervasive censorship (the highest level) in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, and of course, Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_by_country

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Obviously by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:30 · Score: 0

...they don't have phones. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNX09JmpIGU

UN by fluffythedestroyer · 2012-06-15 03:32 · Score: 2

Since Ethiopia is part of the UN, don't they have something to say about this ?

Re:UN by raydobbs · 2012-06-15 03:44 · Score: 1

Ethiopia is probably on the Human Rights Council of the UN, which means they are the poster children of ethical governance. You know, the seat the United States -used- to occupy that has been open for countries like Myamar, Sudan, and other wretched rat-holes to be elected in.
Re:UN by value · 2012-06-15 05:49 · Score: 1

The UN has been promoting internet censorship lately. No help to expect from them.

Response by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:32 · Score: 0

If regulatory reform becomes difficult in a country, sometimes the leader gets assassinated.

ah yes, the tired typical false equivalency by circletimessquare · 2012-06-15 03:35 · Score: 1, Informative

every city in the world has a police force. in some cities the police force is corrupt and inefficient. in other cities, there's still corruption, but policing is efficient and they do their best to root out the corruption

but because you can find corruption in any police force, let's go after the very idea of police itself as unnecessary and essentially wrong

or: because they found one corrupt cop out of a mostly good police force in city X, no one in city X can criticize the completely corrupt police in city Y

do you understand the failure in logic here?

good, now you understand your own failure

the usa finds some internet usage objectionable and looks for it

ethiopia finds some internet usage objectionable and looks for it

WHAT do they find objectionable?

kiddie porn? or political expression?

criticize based on THAT, not the fact that governments, all of them, look at the packets on their networks, and always will, and oftentimes, for good reasons

if this concept bothers you, you have a problem with the reality of the world you live in

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Re:ah yes, the tired typical false equivalency by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 04:11 · Score: 1

WHAT do they find objectionable?
kiddie porn? or political expression?
Everyone finds kiddie porn objectionable. The problem is that somehow, every single time a nation's blocklist is leaked, it turns out to have political expression on it. It's trivial to confirm whether or not the leaker is manipulating the list before releasing it to make it look bad (can you get to this site? No? Then it must really be blocked!).
Sure, somewhere out there there may actually be a black swan. I'm not holding my breath and hoping for it.
Re:ah yes, the tired typical false equivalency by circletimessquare · 2012-06-15 04:30 · Score: 1

i call bullshit
show me the simple political expression that the USA is blocking

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Re:ah yes, the tired typical false equivalency by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 08:26 · Score: 1

Everyone finds kiddie porn objectionable.
Obviously not everyone, otherwise there wouldn't be a need to block it.
Re:ah yes, the tired typical false equivalency by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-21 07:29 · Score: 0

show me the simple political expression that the USA is blocking
Did you completely miss his point? He was implying that the US is blocking kiddie porn and Ethiopia is blocking political expression - noting that the first is an arguably legitimate use of that government's capabilities and the second isn't.

backwards by pak9rabid · 2012-06-15 03:37 · Score: 1, Funny

holy FUCK what a backwards country.

Looking through the wrong window by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:38 · Score: 0

It's not a waste if you're in the business of government, where you leverage other people's money for your own beneift.

Re:Looking through the wrong window by Electricity+Likes+Me · 2012-06-15 05:01 · Score: 1

Mean Time To Libertarian on /. has fallen through the floor lately.
Re:Looking through the wrong window by znerk · 2012-06-15 05:24 · Score: 1

Mean Time To Libertarian on /. has fallen through the floor lately.
Depending on your definition of "libertarian", it's not just slashdot.

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In other news out of Ethiopia: by kheldan · 2012-06-15 03:39 · Score: 2

..famine issues within the country, overall standard and quality of living issues, along with all forms of violent crime and corruption have, apparently, been solved by the Ethiopian government because they now have time to worry about what the fuck is going on with Facebook.</sarcasm>

*facepalm*

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Re:In other news out of Ethiopia: by BSAtHome · 2012-06-15 04:09 · Score: 3, Funny

They indeed solved the problem. They have other countries take care of the humanitarian help and provide the "starving children" images so that we all give money.
It is called outsourcing.
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Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by JAlexoi · 2012-06-15 03:46 · Score: 1

It also says that killing an innocent person is a horrible sin, but since you can redefine innocence any time you wish....

Switzerland Network Testing Tool by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:48 · Score: 1

Switzerland Network Testing Tool

"Is your ISP interfering with your BitTorrent connections? Cutting off your VOIP calls? Undermining the principles of network neutrality? In order to answer those questions, concerned Internet users need tools to test their Internet connections and gather evidence about ISP interference practices. After all, if it weren't for the testing efforts of Rob Topolski, the Associated Press, and EFF, Comcast would still be stone-walling about their now-infamous BitTorrent blocking efforts.

Developed by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Switzerland is an open source software tool for testing the integrity of data communications over networks, ISPs and firewalls. It will spot IP packets which are forged or modified between clients, inform you, and give you copies of the modified packets."

- https://www.eff.org/pages/switzerland-network-testing-tool

EFF "Switzerland" packet monitor tool looks for ISP meddling

- http://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2008/08/eff-switzerland-packet-monitor-tool-looks-for-isp-meddling/

Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here by bill_mcgonigle · 2012-06-15 03:50 · Score: 1

Here's a plan: make your relatively poor country as inhospitable to outside investors as possible, let it spiral into despair until the people either revolt/civil war or relocate to Marklar, but, hey, *you're* still in charge.

Somebody try transmitting a treatise on game theory through their firewalls - maybe it'll end up in a report on somebody's desk. Oh, and knock the evil assholes out who implemented this firewall.

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"DPI" is standard on networking gear. by Aero77 · 2012-06-15 03:50 · Score: 2

Most organizations use DPI to block specific protocols from entering or leaving their network. This technology is not the black market malware you think it is. Like any tool, it can be used for good or evil.

all governments are evil in various degrees by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 03:57 · Score: 0

some are just more obvious than others

Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by couchslug · 2012-06-15 03:57 · Score: 1

"They might prohibit certain services altogether to prevent spread of lewdness, but they won't spy on you."

Or say they won't...

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PORN by Bananatree3 · 2012-06-15 03:57 · Score: 1

There are those who would prohibit by default access to all legal, consentual pornography: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/may/04/pornography-online-cameron-opt-in-plan
Sure, it's "opt-in"... until someone decides in 10 years to tighten the noose tighter.

Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by jez9999 · 2012-06-15 03:59 · Score: 1

Jokes aside, Islam (Ethiopia has 3 times more Muslims than in 100% Muslim Somalia) prohibits prying and spying on civilians

In theory, so does the US Constitution.

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i really hate to break it to you by circletimessquare · 2012-06-15 03:59 · Score: 3, Insightful

but if you have a thought, and you put it on a wire that leads to a public network, you have just given up your right to privacy

not legally, but logically

even if the government was passionate about not snooping on the network in its borders, what of corporations? what of rogue government operatives? what of technically proficient and strangely motivated individuals?

it's a NETWORK, not a closed box in your garage

if you want something private, don't put it on a public network. once it gets out there, it is beyond your control. and you are the person who put it out there. so don't put it out there if it is important for you to keep private

this has nothing to do with legality. it has to do with a common sense understanding of the nature of the subject matter you are dealing with: a wide open public network. there is no such thing as privacy on that

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Re:i really hate to break it to you by Githaron · 2012-06-15 06:20 · Score: 5, Insightful

but if you have a thought, and you put it on a wire that leads to a public network, you have just given up your right to privacy
not legally, but logically
Do you not expect your (snail) mail to be private? Can your privacy be potentially compromised? Yes, but most still expect it to be private. If it is compromised, the trespasser, when found, is be held accountable. Any communication channel can be potentially compromised. The problem is that most nations don't hold their government accountable.
Re:i really hate to break it to you by circletimessquare · 2012-06-15 06:44 · Score: 2

I do not expect my snail mail to be perfectly secure from prying eyes, no.
Legally, it is. In point of actual reality, it is not.
Legally, the House of Commons can pass a resolution saying that the her majesty the Queen is capable of levitation.
Just because something is legal or not does not necessarily have any bearing on the reality of the situation.
Now proceed with the same understanding when you volunteer private information on a public network.

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Re:i really hate to break it to you by Githaron · 2012-06-15 07:03 · Score: 1

I know that. I use encryption on private data just like I use an envelope to hide details in the mail I send but that doesn't mean we can't expect and demand the government to treat our network information as private and require a warrant. They also shouldn't be blocking online services and content that are perfectly legitimate like VOIP or political dissent. Can VOIP be used with criminal activity? Yes, but that doesn't mean we should outright make it illegal to use the service.
Re:i really hate to break it to you by circletimessquare · 2012-06-15 07:08 · Score: 1

it's about expectations. there are people who post to the Internet like it lives in a box in their closet, and then are enraged and amazed when they find out their private information isn't really private, regardless of legality
sure, government snooping should be illegal. you feel safer now? you trust that law to actually protect you? (rolls eyes)

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Re:i really hate to break it to you by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 08:12 · Score: 0

So, just because something is physically possible, we should just accept it?
I could physically shoot you when you step out of your front door in the morning. We have laws the prohibit me from doing that, but it is still a phiscal possiblity. Would you be compfortable if we amended the laws to make it leagal to shoot you once you leave the protection of your house?
Just because something CAN happen does not mean that we should allow it to happen.
Re:i really hate to break it to you by manaway · 2012-06-15 09:33 · Score: 1

i really hate to break it to you but if you have a thought, and you put it on a wire that leads to a public network, you have just given up your right to privacy... not legally, but logically
The point being made is that a US citizen, somewhat like Ethiopians, have an expectation or right to privacy; a right now largely gone and the remains of which are continually legislated away. Ever since party line telephones and open windows, people have been aware of privacy concerns. What is at issue is the legality of such actions, the morality of the laws, not the logical or physical ability. There is considerable difference between governments and corporations collecting your private correspondences legally, and rogue groups doing so illegally. Though pretty much everyone around here keeps becoming more aware of how to defend data from both legal and illegal opportunists.
Re:i really hate to break it to you by circletimessquare · 2012-06-15 09:38 · Score: 2

poor analogy
proper analogy is that i leave my house wearing purple shorts, and for some reason i believe it is no one else's right to notice what shorts i am wearing. even if there is a giant billboard saying "it is the law of land that it is not legal to see what kind of pants people are wearing"
if it goes in public, it is public. it's not a complicated concept

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Re:i really hate to break it to you by circletimessquare · 2012-06-15 09:42 · Score: 1

no, it is completely different. if something happens behind a window, it is required of someone to look in your window or climb in your window to invade your privacy
here we are talking about you taking a piece of private information, and you freely put it out of your control onto a vast public network. to invade your "privacy" now, all that is required is someone to merely witness the traffic on the wire. and yet, for some reason, you think this packet of information, that you freely put on this wire when it left your house, is somehow still subject to the same logical confines as if it were locked in your garage
this is beyond legal expectations. this is about your natural expectations about some sort of privacy protection that doesn't exist when YOU put it OUT OF YOUR CONTROL on a PUBLIC NETWORK. not logically the same entity as the info you have in a lock box under your bed. right?

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Re:i really hate to break it to you by manaway · 2012-06-15 13:40 · Score: 1

So you're OK with governments and corporations recording all voice and data that leaves your house?
Re:i really hate to break it to you by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 15:05 · Score: 0

You fancy yourself a rather smart individual. You have the true knowledge that government and law is falsehood. Because laws can never be totally enforced, they carry no weight. The only person you can trust is yourself, the only thing worthy of respect is violence.
If only there were some way for those of us with this knowledge to work together in the furtherance of our common goals. Some way to come together and make decisions without resorting to the violence inherent in our nature, to protect those who believe as we do from those who would threaten them.. Such an idea of course is crazy, it could never work like that. We are all of us the victims of our own selfish nature, forever doomed to live solitary, dangerous lives, full of strife. If I should kill you some day, brother, rest assured I will weep for you as I rummage through your stinking hovel and rape your concubines.
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Re:i really hate to break it to you by RichyRoo · 2012-06-16 09:15 · Score: 1

but if you have a thought, and you put it on a wire that leads to a public network, you have just given up your right to privacy
not legally, but logically
even if the government was passionate about not snooping on the network in its borders, what of corporations? what of rogue government operatives? what of technically proficient and strangely motivated individuals?
it's a NETWORK, not a closed box in your garage
if you want something private, don't put it on a public network. once it gets out there, it is beyond your control. and you are the person who put it out there. so don't put it out there if it is important for you to keep private
This is truly stupid and an example of missing the point and the mods must be equally stupid unfortunately (well its random right, must be a stupid day).
Here's an apt analogy to correct your feeble pseduothoughts;
When I walk there is always a risk that someone will break my leg with an iron bar. Therefore it is ok if the government organises teams of people to break my leg with an iron bar.
Neither the possibilty of an action (eavesdropping in this case) nor the impossibility of making the action impossible have a moral implication for those perpetrating the action.
Just because some crimes happen doesnt make criminality ok, we police and we punish; except who guards the guards?
See how stupid you are now?

and who sold them these tools of censorship by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 04:04 · Score: 0

and oppression? LOL WE DID..

simple solution? by ekimminau · 2012-06-15 04:07 · Score: 1

Satellite Internet? I guess Im being too simple...

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Re:simple solution? by betterunixthanunix · 2012-06-15 04:42 · Score: 1

"What is that?"

"A dinner plate!"

"Why is your dinner plate transmitting UHF at such high amplitude?"

"To keep the food warm!"

"Why is that boom sticking out of it?"

"It's a traditional tribal design!"

"Why is it hooked up to your computer?"

"Just a fancy oven!"

"It seems to be pointed at something over the equation..."

"Pure coincidence!"

Radio is not a universal solution to censorship.

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I guess proper punishment is out the window by cvtan · 2012-06-15 04:08 · Score: 4, Funny

So stealing 1 song worth $1 is worth $155000 in damages and making a phone call over Skype is worth 15 years in prison. Maybe I'll sell drugs or kill people instead; this other stuff is just too dangerous!

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Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 04:16 · Score: 0

Jokes aside, Islam (Ethiopia has 3 times more Muslims than in 100% Muslim Somalia) prohibits prying and spying on civilians, so any snooping, any PATRIOT act, any FISA laws would be impossible under Islamic government.

Just because Ethiopia is a neighbour of Somalia doesn't make it (or its goverment) islamic.

While there are a lot of issues in "the west", comparing a single-ISP, policing government to a greedy ISP is unfair to all the millions under the first's rule. Do you know that the goverment has blocked blogspot (somehow the most popular blogging platform for ethiopians)? Now that it has posted this, /. could be next, you never know.

Leaving that as it is, what is the west's role in building/strengthening of all these police states? As long as they are promised a fight against extremism/terrorism, the americans didn't mind when the government killed hundreds of peaceful demonstrators, let alone blocking skype. I don't suppose skype and co. would care either since there is not that big a market for them, but how would they deal (or pretend to deal) with this?

Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 04:21 · Score: 1

[[[ Islam (Ethiopia has 3 times more Muslims than in 100% Muslim Somalia) prohibits prying and spying on civilians, so any snooping, any PATRIOT act, any FISA laws would be impossible under Islamic government. ]]]

BULL SHIT. Another clueless islam apologist. What about the Saudi's demanding that Blackberry give them their encryption keys so they could SPY on their citizens?

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-08-07/rim-saudi-arabia-reach-deal-on-blackberry-ap-says.html

No, and... by betterunixthanunix · 2012-06-15 04:25 · Score: 4, Informative

Not only is this not the first case, but it is a problem that the Tor developers have been addressing for some time. There are two techniques that are known to be used to block Tor:

Blocking all entry nodes; China, for example, does this. Bridge nodes mitigate this problem, but a determined government like the Chinese government can compile a list of all bridge nodes, and block those too.
Distinguishing Tor from an HTTPS connection; this is a more technically advanced method that is favored by governments that lack the resources to compile lists of bridges. Since Tor has a unique pattern of TLS connections, it can be identified and blocked by a national firewall; fixing this problem is an ongoing effort (the goal is to make Tor look like Firefox).

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Re:No, and... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 05:31 · Score: 1

that will only get firefox banned :(

Not so simple by betterunixthanunix · 2012-06-15 04:29 · Score: 1

Sure, if you get lucky and the users within your network happen to connect to your entry node. Except that there are hundreds of thousands of Tor nodes in the world and they are not all in Ethiopia.

The standard ways to block Tor are:

Block publicly listed entries, which is why bridge nodes exist.
Block TLS connections that match the Tor fingerprint, which the Tor developers are constantly working to thwart i.e. by making Tor look more like Firefox. This is the DPI approach mentioned in TFA.

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Religion and government by betterunixthanunix · 2012-06-15 04:36 · Score: 1

Politicians talk a big game when it comes to religion, but practical matters of government almost always leave religion in second place, at least at the national level. You see it here in America, with Christian politicians talking about how faithful they are, then turning around and decrying any attempt to end the death penalty (as if they are without sin). Do you really think Muslim politicians are better than Christian politicians?

It is easy to reinterpret or ignore religious traditions when they get in the way of conducting government business.

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Re:Religion and government by mapkinase · 2012-06-15 05:10 · Score: 1

>but practical matters of government almost always leave religion in second place
Yes.
>Do you really think Muslim politicians are better than Christian politicians?
No, but Muslim religion is better than Christian. At least Islam has a coherent system of government rules built in.

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Re:Religion and government by shutdown+-p+now · 2012-06-15 05:28 · Score: 1

No, but Muslim religion is better than Christian. At least Islam has a coherent system of government rules built in.
That makes it a worse religion, not a better religion, since it's inherently incompatible with a secular government because of those built-in rules.
Re:Religion and government by mapkinase · 2012-06-15 06:54 · Score: 1

>it's inherently incompatible with a secular government
So you are implying that the government should be secular.

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Re:Religion and government by shutdown+-p+now · 2012-06-15 06:56 · Score: 1

Yes, of course. I don't see how any other government could properly protect my rights and ensure my security as an atheist.
Re:Religion and government by Joey+Vegetables · 2012-06-15 07:04 · Score: 1

I must respectfully disagree, at least with respect to authentic, historical, biblical Christianity (which admittedly differs from most of what has been called "Christianity" through the ages and including now).
Christian ethics are based on the two Great Commandments, as recorded in Mark 12:30-31 and several parallel passages (these in turn are quotes of Old Testament passages). The first is to love God with all our being; the second is to love our neighbor as ourselves.
In my view this constrains, or at least should constrain, all people - including those in government - from violating the rights of their neighbor. The Ten Commandments, and many other passages within the Bible, give specific examples of things that are gross violations of this ethic; for example, to testify falsely, to rob, or to murder another human being are all failure to respect the rights of our neighbors, and therefore to love our neighbor as ourselves. I understand that the Quran contains similar proscriptions and similar explanations for why they violate the will of Allah. Our faiths are similar at least on this point, although they diverge on others.
Governments that violate these laws, by, for example, murdering people throughout the Muslim world on the grounds that they are suspected "terrorists," thereby violate Christian law as well, and Christians are most unwise to support such actions or those who commit them.
I do not believe there is any legitimate reason for the hostility that exists today between Muslims and professing Christians. I think there would be less if more professing Christians actually understood and lived as the Bible and as Jesus taught. And even within the U.S., there are many who feel as I do, although not nearly enough to have much influence over the political system.

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Re:Religion and government by mapkinase · 2012-06-15 07:57 · Score: 1

It's exactly because of what you mentioned that Christian government is a fail.
Historically, Jesus Christ did not create a single government, his pupils did after they rather liberally interpreted his teachings to the extent that many people call Christians Paulians.

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Re:Religion and government by mapkinase · 2012-06-15 07:58 · Score: 1

>my rights
"Your rights" are defined by a group of people. Another group of people disagree with your definition of your rights.

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Re:Religion and government by shutdown+-p+now · 2012-06-15 08:07 · Score: 1

"Your rights" are defined by a group of people. Another group of people disagree with your definition of your rights.
Sure, but I don't care about those people who disagree with me on my (and their) rights. Well, I do, but only insofar as stopping them from actually doing anything meaningful about their disagreement.
And I pay my taxes to ensure that the Free World has enough B-52s to keep it that way.
Re:Religion and government by currently_awake · 2012-06-15 15:24 · Score: 1

The reason we need a secular government is because mixing religion and politics always dilutes and harms religion. (and because they do crazy things).
Re:Religion and government by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-16 13:42 · Score: 0

Saying one Religion is better than another is like saying one turd tastes better than another. And you should replace "coherent" with "repressive".
Re:Religion and government by mapkinase · 2012-06-16 13:48 · Score: 1

>And I pay my taxes to ensure that the Free World has enough B-52s to keep it that way.
There was a time when US ans West weren't superpowers and there will be a time when they won't. In 5-10 years China's GDP will exceed US's.
So that's foundation of your religion of human rights, B-52?
What happens if someone had more B-52s and more importantly, larger balls, to challenge you? What will happen to your belief in your rights?

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Re:Religion and government by mapkinase · 2012-06-16 13:49 · Score: 1

>and because they do crazy things
cool story bro

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Re:Religion and government by shutdown+-p+now · 2012-06-16 16:24 · Score: 1

There was a time when US ans West weren't superpowers and there will be a time when they won't. In 5-10 years China's GDP will exceed US's.
Maybe, maybe not. Chinese economy is not all rosy, either, and their bubble is yet to burst. Where they end up relative to the West depends on how they will manage it.
The good thing about China, though, is that they are no less vigilant as far as militant Islam is concerned, thanks to first hand experience with it in Xinjiang. They're not the paragon of human rights themselves, of course, but their dirigisme authoritarianism is infinitely better than what Islamic state has to offer, as far as I'm concerned.
So on these matters, the West can and should work together with China. It would be foolish to repeat the old mistakes, such as arming mujaheddin in Afghanistan to oppose the Soviet-backed secular state. Who knows, if that weren't done, the people responsible for all the war crimes committed by Islamic militants since then might have been killed decades ago.

So that's foundation of your religion of human rights, B-52?
It's not a foundation, but it's certainly one of the tools crucial to its existence in a world where people exist who want to force everyone else to live by their law (that's incompatible with freedom and human rights) or die.

What happens if someone had more B-52s and more importantly, larger balls, to challenge you? What will happen to your belief in your rights?
They take over.
The nice thing about it, though, is that whoever has more B-52s, it won't be a fundamentalist Muslim country, or something similarly backwards. Because religious fundamentalism is inherently incompatible with technical progress - barbarians can learn to use the shiny toys made by more advanced civilizations, but they can't make their own. Hence, so long as we don't stop developing further, we shall prevail.
And if we do stop developing, then we deserve whatever happens than - and China will carry on developing and expanding civilization and defending it from barbarians.
Re:Religion and government by mapkinase · 2012-06-18 00:26 · Score: 1

>So on these matters, the West can and should work together with China
I have zero interest in your theories of how West should cooperate in China in fighting my brothers. Part of Islam is a belief that eventually, the rule of Shariah will be establish all over the world under a single righteous Khalifah, so all your "successes" are temporary, and all our victories are permanent. A Mujahid wins in both outcomes of the battle: whether he dies fighting or he wins fighting.
So shove your theories up your fat ass.
> it won't be a fundamentalist Muslim country. Because religious fundamentalism is inherently incompatible with technical progress
You are a moron.
>barbarians
Barbarians are those who remove taboos from their lives, like Westerners. The human being is defined not but what he does, but rather what he does not di, never, at no circumstances. You have a illogic notion that removal of taboos, which what your stinking liberal freedoms are, is a sign of "progress", "civilization", that stopping enforcing those taboos in society somehow makes you more "civilized", that automatic mercy to killers is a sign of "humanism"
I am not talking here about calling each other names. I know myself and I know Islam, I know my hard core fundamentalist Shariah supporting, head-chopping loving friends: doctors, programmers, taxi drivers, businesmen. My friend is a heart surgeon, quite famous right in the center of the Empire of Evil. He fully supports Shariah Hudd.
So, please stop being juvenile and lie to yourself about barbarism.
1400 years ago the Prophet, sal Allahu 'alaihi wa sallam said in his truly historic Last Sermon:
All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.
Long after that your predecessors, Barbarians, invaded West Africa and sold the population of slaves to cowboys, your predecessors, in US, which until the end of 1960s were treated like shit in civilized country.
Long after that, your civilized brethren developed a concept of Nation-State.
Long after that you allowed a shitty small tribe of Jews with truly Barbarian cavemen ideology of nationalism dominate the politics of your "civilized" work.
So, please, with the sugar on the top, don't make laugh with your juvenile labels, dimwit.

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Re:Religion and government by shutdown+-p+now · 2012-06-18 04:30 · Score: 1

You're getting riled up. That's good.

Part of Islam is a belief that eventually, the rule of Shariah will be establish all over the world under a single righteous Khalifah, so all your "successes" are temporary, and all our victories are permanent. A Mujahid wins in both outcomes of the battle: whether he dies fighting or he wins fighting.
Beliefs, I don't care about; facts are what matter. I also don't care about if a mujahid "wins" by being delivered straight to the houris - if that's indeed the case, then I guess every time we wipe out another Taliban base in AfPak, it's literally a win-win for everyone involved. Good to know.

I am not talking here about calling each other names. I know myself and I know Islam, I know my hard core fundamentalist Shariah supporting, head-chopping loving friends: doctors, programmers, taxi drivers, businesmen. My friend is a heart surgeon, quite famous right in the center of the Empire of Evil. He fully supports Shariah Hudd.
Like I said, barbarians can learn to use our shiny toys, especially if they also get educated in our universities. But can you point out any that you've actually created on your own, in the last, say, 400 years? Especially in those regions controlled by governments that you refer to "only ones truly Islamic", like Taliban or al-Shabaab (by the way, why isn't Boko Haraam on your list)?
Heck, even when it comes to warfare - the raison d'etre of your folk - you still use weapons that we have created to fight us, and ancient weapons at that.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.
Talk is cheap. Your prophet has said that after going through Arabia with fire and sword. His successors took that sword to their neighbors even further, and ultimately established a state where non-Arabs were very much inferior to Arabs (which changed only much later when Ottomans took over), and where non-Muslims were inferior to Muslims (which always stayed true in all Islamic states).
My civilization has had its ups and downs, and its history was shameful at times, but it is history. It's still not perfect today, but it's vastly better than anything your kind has to offer, and so I'll stand by it.
Re:Religion and government by mapkinase · 2012-06-18 05:16 · Score: 1

>Talk is cheap.
That's not talk. It's a belief. And that statement appeared long before YOU, barbarians, started to treat people like shit, like it does not matter.
I do not care about bad Muslims, or what Muslims do wrong. I do not follow other Muslims, in contrary Muslims should follow Islam.
Nothing is Islam is decided by popular vote. So your
> ultimately established a state where non-Arabs were very much inferior
is completely irrelevant. Cleaning the house wolrdwide means cleaning Muslims lands out of Saudi scumbag royal family as well.
>My civilization has had its ups and downs
You don't have one. You have bunch of plutocrats that brainwashed your stupid brain into liberal demagogery, to destroy your family, your connections, your ideology, anything that would prevent you to be a nutbolt in their capitalistic machinery.
And that's all there is to it to your stupid "civilization" and your stupid "ideology".
>and so I'll stand by it.
You stand on nothing. Saying I am standing on this does not mean anything if this "this" is it by itself.
I have a system of beliefs. You have bunch of unrelated man made principles, that collide each other and bite your collective Western ass every single time you said liberalism and democracy in one single sentence.
The problem is not that your are atheist, the problem with you is you are BRAINLESS atheist. And that's the only thing insulting to me.
When I talk to you, you should put your hands on the schoold desk, and keep your spine straight.
Understood?
Now get lost. You obviously have more time on your hands than me, loser.

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Re:Religion and government by shutdown+-p+now · 2012-06-18 05:31 · Score: 1

You obviously have more time on your hands than me, loser.
Well, you sure do have a lot, too, to rant here on Slashdot. I'm just having fun at your expense, which is perfectly valid and legal in my society. But what happened to your jihad fard ayn? Are you sick or infirm?

Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by Yvanhoe · 2012-06-15 04:42 · Score: 1

They might prohibit certain services altogether to prevent spread of lewdness, but they won't spy on you.

That, they can outsource to one of the thousand heathen American or European companies that will be happy to do it for them.

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National Security by alexo · 2012-06-15 04:59 · Score: 3, Insightful

Ethiopia, Schmethiopia...
What do you do when *your* government treads all over *your* rights in the name of "national security"?

Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by EvilBudMan · 2012-06-15 05:01 · Score: 1

No, they will just lock you up on mere accusation instead of proof. Wait a minute....never mind.

Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by mapkinase · 2012-06-15 05:02 · Score: 1

It does not matter who manufactured a hammer that made a whole, it's the one who is peeking through it that gets his eye gauged.

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Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by mapkinase · 2012-06-15 05:03 · Score: 1

Sincere Muslims follow Allah's laws not their own desires and materialistic interests. Truescotsman me all you want.

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Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by mapkinase · 2012-06-15 05:05 · Score: 1

All of those countries are ruled by deviants. Iran is ruled by Shiah polytheists. Saudi Arabia rulers only pretend the obey only Allah, the rest are just plain vanilla Western lackeys.

There are only two places that follow Sharia: al-Shabab controlled territory in Somalia and Taliban controlled territory in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

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Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by mapkinase · 2012-06-15 05:07 · Score: 1

>It also says that killing an innocent person is a horrible sin

Wrong quote:

5:32
Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul

unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land

- it is as if he had slain mankind entirely.

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Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by mapkinase · 2012-06-15 05:08 · Score: 1

There are more Muslims percentage wise acknowledging that their governmetns do not follow Shariah, than Americans acknowledging that US government does not follow constitution.

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Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by dcollins · 2012-06-15 05:14 · Score: 1

Wkipedia > "No true Scotsman" fallacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman_fallacy

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Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by shutdown+-p+now · 2012-06-15 05:25 · Score: 1

Jokes aside, Islam (Ethiopia has 3 times more Muslims than in 100% Muslim Somalia) prohibits prying and spying on civilians, so any snooping, any PATRIOT act, any FISA laws would be impossible under Islamic government.

Ethiopia is a majority Christian (Oriental Orthodox) country. Why would it want or need an Islamic government? If it ever gets one, it would be by conquest and subjugation by neighboring Muslim powers.

Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by shutdown+-p+now · 2012-06-15 05:26 · Score: 1

There are only two places that follow Sharia: al-Shabab controlled territory in Somalia and Taliban controlled territory in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Didn't Taliban ban TVs at some point, and physically destroyed them wherever found?

(i.e. why censor communication channels if you can withdraw them altogether)

Bombs Away! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 05:27 · Score: 0

Time to end foreign aid to Ethiopia and time to carpet bomb the country's major cities. The "national security concerns" specter has been used once too many times by governments around the world to be taken seriously. Anyone care for a slow-roasted Ethiopian politician served a la carte?

Where I live... by mallydobb · 2012-06-15 05:37 · Score: 2

VOIP and SIP calls are technically illegal. They do block SIP calls, but don't or are unable to block Skype and Google Talk over Gmail. Reasons listed are essentially the same, national security and maintaining the telco status quo (we only have two mobile companies and one national POTS). There has never been any enforcement of this ban, the law seems to have been written but never intended to be fully realized.

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Re:Where I live... by Githaron · 2012-06-15 05:43 · Score: 1

Sounds like it is the best time to get the law repealed.
Re:Where I live... by mallydobb · 2012-06-21 02:50 · Score: 1

nothing like this happens easily or often in the Middle East...

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Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by oldmac31310 · 2012-06-15 05:41 · Score: 2

hey Mr. Taliban, tally me banana!

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better idea by ThatsNotPudding · 2012-06-15 05:45 · Score: 4, Funny

fixing this problem is an ongoing effort (the goal is to make Tor look like Firefox).

Make it look like IE6: anyone seeing that would roll their eyes and think the data belongs to a clueless grandmother.

In other news.... by Tyrannicsupremacy · 2012-06-15 05:54 · Score: 1

Egypt criminalizses snow, Norway criminalizes indigenous palm trees and North Korea criminalizes Mcdonalds restaurants.

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What would Sam Kinison say about this? by BenJeremy · 2012-06-15 05:57 · Score: 1

You want to stop internet censorship? Stop sending them smartphones. Don't send them another cell, send them U-Hauls. Send them a guy that says, "You know, we've been coming here giving you smart phones for about 10 years now and we were driving through the desert, and we realized there wouldn't BE censorship if you people would live where the FREE INTERNET IS! YOU LIVE IN A DESPOTIC COUNTRY!! UNDERSTAND THAT? YOU LIVE IN A FUCKING AUTHORITARIAN REGIME!! NOTHING IS FREE HERE! NOTHING'S GONNA BE FREE HERE! Come here, you see this? This is sand. You know what it's gonna be 100 years from now? IT'S GONNA BE SAND!! YOU LIVE IN A FUCKING AUTHORITARIAN REGIME! We have tyrants in America, we just don't re-elect them, assholes!"

ROFL by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 06:08 · Score: 0

Freedom of access and no censorship? Seriously? Do you think that any human government will ever tolerate such a situation for any length of time?

Please.

Ethiopia's been like this for decades by billstewart · 2012-06-15 06:23 · Score: 4, Informative

A friend of mine was doing development work in Ethiopia and Somaliland back in the 90s. He's Dutch, and his wife's Somali, and he often worked from Addis Ababa, the capital. At one point he was having a phone call, and the phone operator came on and told him to stop speaking Dutch - speak English, Italian, Arabic, Amharic, or one of the other local languages the police could understand. We talked about whether he should use PGP, but he decided it would just give the police more of an excuse to "confiscate" his PCs, which they'd been wanting to steal anyway.

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Re:Ethiopia's been like this for decades by bef · 2012-06-16 00:48 · Score: 1

They used to tell this story about the Soviet Union.
Re:Ethiopia's been like this for decades by billstewart · 2012-06-17 16:29 · Score: 1

Maybe they did (in Soviet Russia, phone wiretapper calls you!), but my friend was actually working there, and said it happened to him, and he wasn't telling it like a joke. And as far as third-world telecom attitudes toward competition go, I'm in the business, I've dealt with some of those places before the liberalization of the late 90s, and there are lots of other places in ex-colonial Africa that haven't gotten better either.

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Re:Africa by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 06:25 · Score: 0

You should look closer. The Tea Party wants government interface in the way people handle their own bodies and their own marriages. Is that not big government?

Dear Investors by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 06:42 · Score: 0

draw your investments quickly, or face a complete loss when the coming civil war starts. Ethiopia is unstable.

The Tempest (act V, scene i) by AliasMarlowe · 2012-06-15 06:54 · Score: 1

Are we not men?

Not fivemen, it seems...

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Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by mapkinase · 2012-06-15 06:55 · Score: 1

Now go and find an article on Moron.

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Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by mapkinase · 2012-06-15 06:56 · Score: 1

>Ethiopia is a majority Christian (Oriental Orthodox) country

It seems like only you know that. And that is why:

>Why would it want or need an Islamic government?

>If it ever gets one, it would be by conquest and subjugation by neighboring Muslim powers.

and Muslim population in Ethiopia. In shaa'a Allah, one day

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Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by mapkinase · 2012-06-15 06:57 · Score: 1

>Didn't Taliban ban TVs at some point, and physically destroyed them wherever found?

That what I said actually: they might ban it, but they won't snoop

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Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by brainzach · 2012-06-15 08:15 · Score: 1

In Sub-Sahara Africa, the Christians and Muslims usually get along fine and respect each other. Governments will usually cater to both religions and the brand of Islam is more moderate compared to the Middle East.

Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by shutdown+-p+now · 2012-06-15 09:38 · Score: 1

In Sub-Sahara Africa, the Christians and Muslims usually get along fine and respect each other. Governments will usually cater to both religions and the brand of Islam is more moderate compared to the Middle East.

It's changing as the cancer of radical Salafi Islam spreads. Sudan civil war is a recent example, and so is al-Shabaab in Somalia, both Sub-Saharan countries.

Anyway, my point was that the government of Ethiopia is presently not Islamic because it is historically a Christian country with majority Christian population; it's been that way for two millenia. I don't see any moderate Muslim neighboring country taking over, unless they are hijacked by radicals. More likely would be an internal minority Islamist insurgency, like al-Shabaab. Either way, it means that Islamic governance would be imposed on Ethiopians by force, not because they actually want it - which is obviously a bad thing.

Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by petsounds · 2012-06-15 10:41 · Score: 1

Most people in positions of power at a national level are not 'sincere' about anything.

Misprint? by frostilicus2 · 2012-06-15 11:37 · Score: 1

Misread title as "England Criminalizes VoIP Services". Didn't even look twice...

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Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by ZeroSumHappiness · 2012-06-15 13:19 · Score: 1

Start at Luke 3:11. Find cross-references as necessary. Educate yourself.

natural selection by KingBenny · 2012-06-15 13:58 · Score: 1

is a bitch, those who can do, emperor selassi doesnt seem to be into the new world then, fine with me

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if i really need to clarify by KingBenny · 2012-06-15 14:01 · Score: 1

i dont think i'll ever move to or do business in Ethiopia then

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Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by currently_awake · 2012-06-15 15:15 · Score: 1

No matter how devout they claim their religious beliefs in a theocracy, all governments do what they must to survive. Even the vatican has an army (thou shall not kill).

Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by dcollins · 2012-06-15 16:09 · Score: 1

Slashdot > mapkinase

http://slashdot.org/~mapkinase/journal/

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Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by mr100percent · 2012-06-15 16:30 · Score: 1

"No True Scotsman" isn't applicable here. Saudi Arabia claims to be a Muslim country that follows sharia, but is ruled by a king (not a part of sharia) and allows usury (interest), also not a part of sharia. It's not a fallacy to point out that they're not following islam correctly.

There are Computers in Ethiopia? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 17:15 · Score: 0

I didn't know they had electricity let alone computers in Ethiopia. I though all that was there was little kids with distended bellies and flies buzzing around their heads.

Re:Africa by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-15 20:00 · Score: 0

I suppose thats what I get for saying "carry on".

Which is why our approach has to change by Paul+Fernhout · 2012-06-16 00:38 · Score: 1

http://www.pdfernhout.net/on-dealing-with-social-hurricanes.html
"This approximately 60 page document is a ramble about ways to ensure the CIA (as well as other big organizations) remains (or becomes) accountable to human needs and the needs of healthy, prosperous, joyful, secure, educated communities. The primarily suggestion is to encourage a paradigm shift away from scarcity thinking & competition thinking towards abundance thinking & cooperation thinking within the CIA and other organizations. I suggest that shift could be encouraged in part by providing publicly accessible free "intelligence" tools and other publicly accessible free information that all people (including in the CIA and elsewhere) can, if they want, use to better connect the dots about global issues and see those issues from multiple perspectives, to provide a better context for providing broad policy advice. It links that effort to bigger efforts to transform our global society into a place that works well for (almost) everyone that millions of people are engaged in. A central Haudenosaunee story-related theme is the transformation of Tadodaho through the efforts of the Peacemaker from someone who was evil and hurtful to someone who was good and helpful."

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They also run a man-in-the-middle attack by johnsn0w · 2012-06-16 04:13 · Score: 1

If you ask google's DNS servers the IP address of www.google.com you get this:

bast4rd@winterfell ~% dig www.google.com @8.8.4.4

ANSWER SECTION:
www.google.com. 86399 IN CNAME www.l.google.com.
www.l.google.com. 299 IN A 173.194.75.105
www.l.google.com. 299 IN A 173.194.75.99
www.l.google.com. 299 IN A 173.194.75.103
www.l.google.com. 299 IN A 173.194.75.147
www.l.google.com. 299 IN A 173.194.75.106
www.l.google.com. 299 IN A 173.194.75.104

Ethiotelcom has exactly 2 DNS servers to serve all its customers. If you ask one of them to resolve the same address you get:

bast4rd@winterfell ~% dig www.google.com @213.55.96.148

www.google.com. 400465 IN CNAME www.l.google.com.
www.l.google.com. 115 IN A 213.55.98.242

Query AfriNIC who owns that IP block and you get:

bast4rd@winterfell ~% whois -f 213.55.98.242
inetnum: 213.55.98.0 - 213.55.98.255
netname: Ethiotelecom
descr: Leased by Corporate Customers
country: ET
admin-c: ET4-AFRINIC
tech-c: ET4-AFRINIC
status: ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by: AFRINIC-HM-MNT
source: AFRINIC
parent: 213.55.64.0 - 213.55.127.255

What I find interesting about this is not necessarily that they are handing out poisoned DNS records, but that the IP address of the server presumably acting as the man-in-the-middle sits in a net-block they have designated as being: "Leased by Corporate Customers." To me this implies that Ethiotelecom isn't necessarily the one that is running this attack, but rather one of their "Corporate Customers," which begs the question: "What kind of a corporate customer would have the clout to make Ethiotelecom hand out poisoned DNS records?" My guess is that it's probably one of the intelligence services. Off course, for anyone who knows the very poor standards to which the country's IT workers are trained, this doesn't necessarily mean that they can, or that they are able, to do anything with this.

Corruption works! by NewYork · 2012-06-16 04:53 · Score: 1

Google and Skype should try paying bribes to Ethiopian authorities

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Re: Evolution in a direction we don't like by bkcallahan · 2012-06-16 05:44 · Score: 1

Did they teach Ebonics as a separate language as well?

Re:Now who will complain about evil carriers in US by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-16 13:37 · Score: 0

There are remarkably few sincere Muslims in the world.

Value of Comments by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-16 15:51 · Score: 0

I used to read the comments on Slashdot, but this thread shows that the comments on this site are baseless.

If any of you had traveled to Ethiopia (before commenting, that is), you would know that Skype has been outlawed since its inception. The main concern is economic. Has any of you ever called Ethiopia? How much does it cost? Who gets the revenue from that call?

Meet The New Boss ... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-06-16 20:07 · Score: 0

Same as the old boss... Like in the '80s, Ethiopians are once again being starved ... this time of information. I doubt Ethio Telecom has a video chat client that's better than Skype, etc... :-p

Here is what I don't get... by DiEx-15 · 2012-06-18 01:33 · Score: 1

This country has millions of starving children, many of which will die as I write this or you read this. It has an untold amount of humanitarian aid going in and hardly anything noteworthy being exported (besides 419 Scams and Al Quidea). The country makes Nitro Glycerine look completely stable in comparison. This country has more civil wars than I care to Google about...

...and they are worried about VoIP?!

Did I miss something or is their priorities completely out of left field?

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