So, yeah. They were storing the passwords unsalted, which means that it is susceptible to a simple dictionary crack.
Needless to say, I'm quite disgusted with the Apache foundation right now.
Why? You're not using the same password on multiple services, right? That would be *as* or even *more* retarded then ASF storing your passwords without a salt...
Addendum: Never mind, sorry - unlike the summary implies by "all users" the attack was targeted at capturing passwords from users who logged in while the site was compromised.
Naturally, simple hashing is no protection against that.
GPGAuth would have prevented that. Never send your password over the internet again. Receive random garbled encrypted data, decrypt it, re-encrypt it, and send it back.
If 'they' compromise the site, they still don't get your password.
In Linux it's even easier - just replace the system executables.
Wasn't there a best-practice that put/sbin,/bin,/usr, and all the other executable files on a separate partition that was mounted read-only? You pretty much left/home,/etc, and/var RW?
I guess if you wanted to install updates, you could remount RW or (safer) reboot into single-user mode, mount RW and install...
Who needs another device? There's a free Android app for that.
No kidding.
Feeney Wireless makes similar devices here in the US. One of our clients deployed them and they have had nothing but problems. The boxes lock up monthly and need to be rebooted. Weekly they will have sporadic fits that cause ~500msec delays for data going over the cell network. No WPA2-Enterprise support (because they say that having a RADIUS server on the public internet would be totally insecure), no VPN support, no traffic shaping, and to top it off, the whole package costs about $1,500.
Using a cheap box from Hacom and Ubuntu, I threw together something with tons more features, and less bugs. The entire setup cost $500 for the hardware, and about 4 hours of my time.
I hope you're being sarcastic. If not, I have some bad news for you.
I have some good news for you. Corporations aren't mindless robotic entities with free will that can enslave the human race. Corporations are actually a collection of people--and those people can decide collectively to donate to campaigns--similarly to the people on my block getting together to donate to a particular candidate.
Of course that says nothing about the intelligence of the collective group of people making up the corporation--just look at SCO.
I think you're trying to make a larger point, so I'll make a larger semi-rebuttal. If projects only gave commit access to people that understood the whole code base they'd never get anything done.
Sorry--I should have worded that better. They should only give access to people who either understand the whole codebase or know their limitations and won't mess with things they don't understand.
I have commit access for Audacity
Thank you for helping with a great program. I use it weekly to convert audio files from my boss for use in Asterisk. (And also making the occasional ringtone for my phone...);)
Then if you neither understand the code nor understand the effects your changes make to the code, you don't make the change. The fault squarely lies with the idiot monkeying around in places he shouldn't have.
Or maybe it lies with the idiots that gave someone who doesn't understand the code or the changes commit access...
Absolute bullshit. Even the earliest hard drives (1960s?) used decimal measurement. Can give me some source info for which hard drives were measured in binary units?
Can you give me some source info for which hard drives from the 1960s onward use decimal measurement? I'm too lazy to Google for you.
So, your precious units don't matter when they've always been used improperly (according to your standards)? That's some weird logic there. Using this logic, the the HD manufacturers are fine, because they always counted capacity in decimal.
It has nothing to do with proper or improper use. It has to do with it being a standard for decades. Sure, the name of the prefix was wrong because SI didn't issue the new retarded-sounding prefixes until a few years back. Just because SI comes in and says "Hey--we know this has been wrong for decades, but now we made up some retarded-sounding prefixes for you to use" doesn't mean we need to change.
Are you going to argue that the calendar needs to change since the Earth completes its trip around the sun every 365.24 days? Maybe we need a 'December the 31st-and-a-half'. I mean your precious 'days' don't matter when they've always been used improperly. That's some weird logic.
It appears that you do not understand how it feels to be turned from a person into a single hateful word.
Really? A friend of mine regularly greets me with "What's up, fucker?". Doesn't bug me one bit.
An ex-girlfriend from years ago still greets me with 'Fuck you' when she sees me.
I'm sure I can safely say that everyone on the entire planet knows that feeling.
BTW, you really need to look up "socialism".
Restricting the freedom of speech is key to implementing socialism.
Singapore and China come to mind as examples. Russia is moving that way.
Ever try discussing or protesting the restricted freedoms of the Tibetan people with a group of friends in China? How about badmouthing the government in 80s-era Russia? Disappear in the dark of night without a trace much?
Even the very first hard drives were measured in decimal units. It has nothing to do with "marketing droids."
[citation needed]
That's just something you made up.
[citation needed]
Seriously--simply saying [citation needed] doesn't prove your point. You're telling me I need to cite my sources--cite yours.
I know it does no good for you, but I have 7 drives sitting around me on my desk. 5 of them are measured in powers of two. I also have a Hitachi drive sitting in my ancient firewall which is a machine from 1997 (I'm surprised as hell the drive lasted 1 year, let alone 10), and it's measured in base ten. Go figure.
Why would you want to tell people lies? This idea of "devious hard drive marketing" is a complete myth. In other words, TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT that never happened, but gets spread by misinformed people like yourself.
Interestingly, why is it that the hard drive makers always get this accusation leveled at them, but nobody blinks twice when network throughput is measured in decimal units? Why don't you accuse network card manufacturers of being in on this conspiracy?
Drive manufacturers used base-2 for decades, then the marketing people got involved and found out they could squeeze out some 'extra' space if they counted in base-10. They suddenly changed what they had been doing for a *long* time for marketing purposes.
I don't remember NICs ever measuring in base-2 and then switching to base-10--they have always been base-10. (My memory of such things only goes back to the late 80's though, so I could be wrong.)
Yeah, I violated the second rule of slashdot. Never say "correct me if I'm wrong" and follow that by saying something that could have been looked up in 15 seconds of research...;)
The process you just went through is well known to psychologists. It is called "objectification". That is the process by which you mentally reduce the person you disagree with to a non-human status so that you can disregard them.
Since you're quite the armchair psychologist, care to point out exactly where I objectified the entire homosexual population?
If done well you can kill them without guilt because they are, in your mind, not a real human. Some good examples of objectification can be found in the history of WWII. The Nazi propaganda concerning Jews, and American propaganda about the Japanese are great sources.
Going off the deep end there, aren't you? I simply said that I thought SI prefixes sounded gay, and now you're off thinking I'm going to be to homosexuals what Hitler was to Jews?
BTW, you might want to look up the origin of the "N" word. It is not what you think it is.
I just looked it up. I had a sneaking suspicion it was taken from the word 'black' in other languages. But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
It is just one of many words with the same origin that all mean "black". It became a racial slur by being use being used as one. Hate speech becomes hate speech by being use by the haters.
Aah--so since I used the word 'gay' in a context that had nothing to do with men who like to pleasure other men, somehow I secretly hate gay people? Weird how you make that connection.
That is the same way your favorite words have come to be hate speech.
Let me see if I have the magic incantation down correctly. I need to pick a commonly used word. How about nerd? I've been called a computer nerd quite a bit by friends, and family. Then I have to suddenly say that I am offended by it and that it's actually hate speech referring to someone who is usually overworked, gets a pittance, and does jobs no one else wants to do. So now when anyone uses the word 'nerd', I can get all self-righteous and start lecturing them? Sweet. Maybe I can get a pasty-white version of Reverend Jackson with horn-rimed glasses (the guy on the TV show Heroes comes to mind), and then I can start lobbying, getting special favors so when someone uses the word 'nerd', it gets classified as a hate crime and garners longer sentences, etc...
I can't wait.
I guess I should mention that there is nothing in the definition of socialism that fits your description of it.
When speech is restricted (be it hate speech, protesting the government, pornographic, vulgar, or plain 'ol everyday talking), that's a decent towards socialism. As much as I despise groups like the KKK, the Nazi party, the DNC, the RNC, etc, I don't want them censured. Because who is next? Maybe they'll stop the KKK from speaking out because they use the N word and talk about lynchings. Next maybe they'll go after pornographic and vulgar speech (think of the children!). Finally we can go after people being unpatriotic. A few years back, that would have meant silencing the Democrats. Now that they are in power, it means silencing the Republicans. Then what? You're deep in socialism at that point.
I have noticed that in all of your replies you have tried to defend your use of the words. But, you have never actually denied that they are hateful. That is a good sign. It is likely that you are reacting the way you are just because you feel embarrassed about being called on it.
Wrong. I deny that they are hateful. If I stub my toe and say 'fuck', that's not hateful. On the other hand if I look you square in the eye and say 'I fucking hate you', that's hateful.
So once again, saying 'SI prefixes sound gay' does *NOT* equal 'I hate gate people'.
I would be lying if I claimed I have never done that. It really is easier to just a
And before anyone starts saying 'We need to fix old mistakes', maybe we should bulldoze all Americans (like me) into the ocean so we can fix the old mistake of taking the land from the Native Americans....eh? What's that? Suddenly the idea of leaving old mistakes in the past sounds good...?;)
How so? Fixing a mistake costs time, money, effort, etc... Fixing a mistake needs to be weighed against just leaving things they way they are. Leaving this whole base-2/base-10 SI argument alone would have been better in my opinion.
"Expand that up"? How? At best you're showing that hard disk capacity should be an integral number of bits, which it is.
Right--so since the data structures that computers write to the drive are base-2, drive manufacturers should be reporting in base-2 like they did for years and years until marketing droids started messing with stuff...
I challenge you to go out and find a hard disk, any hard disk, for sale today that has a number of sectors on the disk that bears any relation whatsoever to an even power of two.
Isn't that exactly what the argument is about. Disk manufacturers no longer give a crap about what is 'right', but rather how they can make their drives seem bigger by changing the rules of the game.
Pedantic moron. The number of states in a bit has nothing to do with measuring the capacity of a drive!
Sure it does.
Take some old school measuring. If an ASCII character like the letter 'A' is represented on disk as 8 bits, then a drive with a capacity for 12 bits 1 ASCII character. Who cares about the other four bits on the end. You can't store 1.5 characters.
Expand that up to megabits, gigabits, etc... and it still applies. On-disk structures are powers of two. (Yes, with a few odd exceptions)
Nope, not at all. As you documented so well the words have changed meaning over time. You also documented the fact the you know what they mean now. That means you knowingly used hate speech.
I don't think you know what hate speech is.
My guess is that you use habitually without ever thinking about it. Until someone does make you think about it you will keep doing.
Well--now I've thought about it. I still don't care.
My mother used the famous "N" word to described anyone with a dark complexion. Sometimes she would stick the words "red" or "yellow" in front of them to describe other people. One of here favorite wild flowers "N" heads and Brazil nuts can in bags labeled as "N" toes.
Fag used to mean a cigarette--and it still does in a lot of places in Europe. Faggot used to mean a bundle of sticks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the N word didn't ever mean anything other than a racial slur.
Keep spewing your unthinking hatred. You think people will just stand still for it forever?
Thanks judge, jury, and executioner. Apparently you think I'm using hate speech for saying that SI prefixes sound gay.
Eventually you will say the wrong thing in the wrong place and find out that you can not.
Stonewolf
Typical socialist. Threaten someone who says something you don't like.
Feel free to say anything you want around me--I'm not going to react with violence.
My mom also taught me a certain saying when I was young: 'Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.'
So chill out. I don't care what you and your boyfriend do in the privacy of your own home. It's none of my business, and it's not the business of the government.
Next time someone says 'That sounds gay' or 'This is totally gay', they are probably just expressing that they dislike a situation. (Unless of course they are actually in the act of sticking their penis where another man evacuates his bowels--then they may actually be using the word to describe one or more men who prefer male-on-male action).
Yes, except for that pesky fact that the number of 0's and 1's that you can fit on a platter in a disk is a completely arbitrary number and has no relation to a number that is an even power of two. RAM on the other hand, due to the way it is constructed and addressed, does have an inherent relation to a number that is a power of two.
Right--because if you have a disk that stores 1025 bits of data, but your data structures are all base-2, you'll totally use that last bit for...what?
It only sounds retarded to you because you just learned about it (you aren't very tech savvy, are you?)
I've been hearing it for the last few years and it still sounds retarded. If you say 'cracker' with a lisp, it sounds gay. If you say Mebibyte, it sounds retarded. Period.
The new SI prefixes just sound retarded. It doesn't matter how many people say it, or for how long they say it.
Your way of doing things is what will lead to Idiocracy
You're right--saying 'megabyte' means a power of 1024 when you are talking about base-2 will lead to morons roaming the earth...
Maybe we should have the jocks make up the names so that they can be cool.
Or, we could just standardize memory sizes to the way the rest of the scientific community uses the prefixes. You know... to limit confusion. So that geeks aren't portraying themselves as elitist dicks who have to have their prefixes mean something different than what everyone else uses.
Uh--it's not like we're just picking random arbitrary shit. We looked at the difference between base-10 and base-2 and said 1024 is close enough, that'll do.
No one is sitting here saying "Well--we're geeks and we should be different. Lets pick 491 as the number."
And just to throw it out there, "kilo" meant 1000 way before nerds started using it to mean 1024.
The moment you get to 1000 using powers of two, you win the argument.
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So, yeah. They were storing the passwords unsalted, which means that it is susceptible to a simple dictionary crack.
Needless to say, I'm quite disgusted with the Apache foundation right now.
Why? You're not using the same password on multiple services, right? That would be *as* or even *more* retarded then ASF storing your passwords without a salt...
Addendum: Never mind, sorry - unlike the summary implies by "all users" the attack was targeted at capturing passwords from users who logged in while the site was compromised.
Naturally, simple hashing is no protection against that.
GPGAuth would have prevented that. Never send your password over the internet again. Receive random garbled encrypted data, decrypt it, re-encrypt it, and send it back.
If 'they' compromise the site, they still don't get your password.
In Linux it's even easier - just replace the system executables.
Wasn't there a best-practice that put /sbin, /bin, /usr, and all the other executable files on a separate partition that was mounted read-only? You pretty much left /home, /etc, and /var RW?
I guess if you wanted to install updates, you could remount RW or (safer) reboot into single-user mode, mount RW and install...
Who needs another device? There's a free Android app for that.
No kidding.
Feeney Wireless makes similar devices here in the US. One of our clients deployed them and they have had nothing but problems. The boxes lock up monthly and need to be rebooted. Weekly they will have sporadic fits that cause ~500msec delays for data going over the cell network. No WPA2-Enterprise support (because they say that having a RADIUS server on the public internet would be totally insecure), no VPN support, no traffic shaping, and to top it off, the whole package costs about $1,500.
Using a cheap box from Hacom and Ubuntu, I threw together something with tons more features, and less bugs. The entire setup cost $500 for the hardware, and about 4 hours of my time.
I used to play a lot of Rad Racer as a kid.
I played way too much Excite Bike. Unfortunately I don't own a motorcycle. Also, the DOT frowns on placing large ramps on the road.
I hope you're being sarcastic. If not, I have some bad news for you.
I have some good news for you. Corporations aren't mindless robotic entities with free will that can enslave the human race. Corporations are actually a collection of people--and those people can decide collectively to donate to campaigns--similarly to the people on my block getting together to donate to a particular candidate.
Of course that says nothing about the intelligence of the collective group of people making up the corporation--just look at SCO.
I think you're trying to make a larger point, so I'll make a larger semi-rebuttal. If projects only gave commit access to people that understood the whole code base they'd never get anything done.
Sorry--I should have worded that better. They should only give access to people who either understand the whole codebase or know their limitations and won't mess with things they don't understand.
I have commit access for Audacity
Thank you for helping with a great program. I use it weekly to convert audio files from my boss for use in Asterisk. (And also making the occasional ringtone for my phone...) ;)
Then if you neither understand the code nor understand the effects your changes make to the code, you don't make the change. The fault squarely lies with the idiot monkeying around in places he shouldn't have.
Or maybe it lies with the idiots that gave someone who doesn't understand the code or the changes commit access...
Absolute bullshit. Even the earliest hard drives (1960s?) used decimal measurement. Can give me some source info for which hard drives were measured in binary units?
Can you give me some source info for which hard drives from the 1960s onward use decimal measurement? I'm too lazy to Google for you.
So, your precious units don't matter when they've always been used improperly (according to your standards)? That's some weird logic there. Using this logic, the the HD manufacturers are fine, because they always counted capacity in decimal.
It has nothing to do with proper or improper use. It has to do with it being a standard for decades. Sure, the name of the prefix was wrong because SI didn't issue the new retarded-sounding prefixes until a few years back. Just because SI comes in and says "Hey--we know this has been wrong for decades, but now we made up some retarded-sounding prefixes for you to use" doesn't mean we need to change.
Are you going to argue that the calendar needs to change since the Earth completes its trip around the sun every 365.24 days? Maybe we need a 'December the 31st-and-a-half'. I mean your precious 'days' don't matter when they've always been used improperly. That's some weird logic.
It appears that you do not understand how it feels to be turned from a person into a single hateful word.
Really? A friend of mine regularly greets me with "What's up, fucker?". Doesn't bug me one bit.
An ex-girlfriend from years ago still greets me with 'Fuck you' when she sees me.
I'm sure I can safely say that everyone on the entire planet knows that feeling.
BTW, you really need to look up "socialism".
Restricting the freedom of speech is key to implementing socialism.
Singapore and China come to mind as examples. Russia is moving that way.
Ever try discussing or protesting the restricted freedoms of the Tibetan people with a group of friends in China? How about badmouthing the government in 80s-era Russia? Disappear in the dark of night without a trace much?
[citation needed]
Even the very first hard drives were measured in decimal units. It has nothing to do with "marketing droids."
[citation needed]
That's just something you made up.
[citation needed]
Seriously--simply saying [citation needed] doesn't prove your point. You're telling me I need to cite my sources--cite yours.
I know it does no good for you, but I have 7 drives sitting around me on my desk. 5 of them are measured in powers of two. I also have a Hitachi drive sitting in my ancient firewall which is a machine from 1997 (I'm surprised as hell the drive lasted 1 year, let alone 10), and it's measured in base ten. Go figure.
Why would you want to tell people lies? This idea of "devious hard drive marketing" is a complete myth. In other words, TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT that never happened, but gets spread by misinformed people like yourself.
Interestingly, why is it that the hard drive makers always get this accusation leveled at them, but nobody blinks twice when network throughput is measured in decimal units? Why don't you accuse network card manufacturers of being in on this conspiracy?
Drive manufacturers used base-2 for decades, then the marketing people got involved and found out they could squeeze out some 'extra' space if they counted in base-10. They suddenly changed what they had been doing for a *long* time for marketing purposes.
I don't remember NICs ever measuring in base-2 and then switching to base-10--they have always been base-10. (My memory of such things only goes back to the late 80's though, so I could be wrong.)
Careful, some people might want to jump on board that bandwagon. ;)
One of the funniest quotes I've ever heard: "If you want to know the problem with uncontrolled immigration, just talk to a Native American."
You are wrong sir, prepare to be corrected.
Yeah, I violated the second rule of slashdot. Never say "correct me if I'm wrong" and follow that by saying something that could have been looked up in 15 seconds of research... ;)
For the record, I deny the word 'gay' is hateful in the context used today in this forum, and so does the lesbian sitting next to me.
LMAO! That's damn funny.
The process you just went through is well known to psychologists. It is called "objectification". That is the process by which you mentally reduce the person you disagree with to a non-human status so that you can disregard them.
Since you're quite the armchair psychologist, care to point out exactly where I objectified the entire homosexual population?
If done well you can kill them without guilt because they are, in your mind, not a real human. Some good examples of objectification can be found in the history of WWII. The Nazi propaganda concerning Jews, and American propaganda about the Japanese are great sources.
Going off the deep end there, aren't you? I simply said that I thought SI prefixes sounded gay, and now you're off thinking I'm going to be to homosexuals what Hitler was to Jews?
BTW, you might want to look up the origin of the "N" word. It is not what you think it is.
I just looked it up. I had a sneaking suspicion it was taken from the word 'black' in other languages. But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
It is just one of many words with the same origin that all mean "black". It became a racial slur by being use being used as one. Hate speech becomes hate speech by being use by the haters.
Aah--so since I used the word 'gay' in a context that had nothing to do with men who like to pleasure other men, somehow I secretly hate gay people? Weird how you make that connection.
That is the same way your favorite words have come to be hate speech.
Let me see if I have the magic incantation down correctly. I need to pick a commonly used word. How about nerd? I've been called a computer nerd quite a bit by friends, and family. Then I have to suddenly say that I am offended by it and that it's actually hate speech referring to someone who is usually overworked, gets a pittance, and does jobs no one else wants to do. So now when anyone uses the word 'nerd', I can get all self-righteous and start lecturing them? Sweet. Maybe I can get a pasty-white version of Reverend Jackson with horn-rimed glasses (the guy on the TV show Heroes comes to mind), and then I can start lobbying, getting special favors so when someone uses the word 'nerd', it gets classified as a hate crime and garners longer sentences, etc...
I can't wait.
I guess I should mention that there is nothing in the definition of socialism that fits your description of it.
When speech is restricted (be it hate speech, protesting the government, pornographic, vulgar, or plain 'ol everyday talking), that's a decent towards socialism. As much as I despise groups like the KKK, the Nazi party, the DNC, the RNC, etc, I don't want them censured. Because who is next? Maybe they'll stop the KKK from speaking out because they use the N word and talk about lynchings. Next maybe they'll go after pornographic and vulgar speech (think of the children!). Finally we can go after people being unpatriotic. A few years back, that would have meant silencing the Democrats. Now that they are in power, it means silencing the Republicans. Then what? You're deep in socialism at that point.
I have noticed that in all of your replies you have tried to defend your use of the words. But, you have never actually denied that they are hateful. That is a good sign. It is likely that you are reacting the way you are just because you feel embarrassed about being called on it.
Wrong. I deny that they are hateful. If I stub my toe and say 'fuck', that's not hateful. On the other hand if I look you square in the eye and say 'I fucking hate you', that's hateful.
So once again, saying 'SI prefixes sound gay' does *NOT* equal 'I hate gate people'.
I would be lying if I claimed I have never done that. It really is easier to just a
2^9 + 2^8 + 2^7 + 2^6 + 2^5 + 2^3 + 2^2 + 2^1, or 1111101110b
Maybe I should have clarified that a bit for people who didn't read the posts higher up.
I should have said the moment you are able to land on 1000 when counting up powers of two, you win the argument.
1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024...oops--just missed 1,000.
And before anyone starts saying 'We need to fix old mistakes', maybe we should bulldoze all Americans (like me) into the ocean so we can fix the old mistake of taking the land from the Native Americans....eh? What's that? Suddenly the idea of leaving old mistakes in the past sounds good...? ;)
How so? Fixing a mistake costs time, money, effort, etc... Fixing a mistake needs to be weighed against just leaving things they way they are. Leaving this whole base-2/base-10 SI argument alone would have been better in my opinion.
I think that's a bad example.
"Expand that up"? How? At best you're showing that hard disk capacity should be an integral number of bits, which it is.
Right--so since the data structures that computers write to the drive are base-2, drive manufacturers should be reporting in base-2 like they did for years and years until marketing droids started messing with stuff...
I challenge you to go out and find a hard disk, any hard disk, for sale today that has a number of sectors on the disk that bears any relation whatsoever to an even power of two.
Isn't that exactly what the argument is about. Disk manufacturers no longer give a crap about what is 'right', but rather how they can make their drives seem bigger by changing the rules of the game.
Pedantic moron. The number of states in a bit has nothing to do with measuring the capacity of a drive!
Sure it does.
Take some old school measuring. If an ASCII character like the letter 'A' is represented on disk as 8 bits, then a drive with a capacity for 12 bits 1 ASCII character. Who cares about the other four bits on the end. You can't store 1.5 characters.
Expand that up to megabits, gigabits, etc... and it still applies. On-disk structures are powers of two. (Yes, with a few odd exceptions)
Nope, not at all. As you documented so well the words have changed meaning over time. You also documented the fact the you know what they mean now. That means you knowingly used hate speech.
I don't think you know what hate speech is.
My guess is that you use habitually without ever thinking about it. Until someone does make you think about it you will keep doing.
Well--now I've thought about it. I still don't care.
My mother used the famous "N" word to described anyone with a dark complexion. Sometimes she would stick the words "red" or "yellow" in front of them to describe other people. One of here favorite wild flowers "N" heads and Brazil nuts can in bags labeled as "N" toes.
Fag used to mean a cigarette--and it still does in a lot of places in Europe. Faggot used to mean a bundle of sticks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the N word didn't ever mean anything other than a racial slur.
Keep spewing your unthinking hatred. You think people will just stand still for it forever?
Thanks judge, jury, and executioner. Apparently you think I'm using hate speech for saying that SI prefixes sound gay.
Eventually you will say the wrong thing in the wrong place and find out that you can not.
Stonewolf
Typical socialist. Threaten someone who says something you don't like.
Feel free to say anything you want around me--I'm not going to react with violence.
My mom also taught me a certain saying when I was young: 'Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.'
So chill out. I don't care what you and your boyfriend do in the privacy of your own home. It's none of my business, and it's not the business of the government.
Next time someone says 'That sounds gay' or 'This is totally gay', they are probably just expressing that they dislike a situation. (Unless of course they are actually in the act of sticking their penis where another man evacuates his bowels--then they may actually be using the word to describe one or more men who prefer male-on-male action).
Yes, except for that pesky fact that the number of 0's and 1's that you can fit on a platter in a disk is a completely arbitrary number and has no relation to a number that is an even power of two. RAM on the other hand, due to the way it is constructed and addressed, does have an inherent relation to a number that is a power of two.
Right--because if you have a disk that stores 1025 bits of data, but your data structures are all base-2, you'll totally use that last bit for...what?
It only sounds retarded to you because you just learned about it (you aren't very tech savvy, are you?)
I've been hearing it for the last few years and it still sounds retarded. If you say 'cracker' with a lisp, it sounds gay. If you say Mebibyte, it sounds retarded. Period.
The new SI prefixes just sound retarded. It doesn't matter how many people say it, or for how long they say it.
Your way of doing things is what will lead to Idiocracy
You're right--saying 'megabyte' means a power of 1024 when you are talking about base-2 will lead to morons roaming the earth...
Maybe we should have the jocks make up the names so that they can be cool.
Or, we could just standardize memory sizes to the way the rest of the scientific community uses the prefixes. You know... to limit confusion. So that geeks aren't portraying themselves as elitist dicks who have to have their prefixes mean something different than what everyone else uses.
Uh--it's not like we're just picking random arbitrary shit. We looked at the difference between base-10 and base-2 and said 1024 is close enough, that'll do.
No one is sitting here saying "Well--we're geeks and we should be different. Lets pick 491 as the number."
And just to throw it out there, "kilo" meant 1000 way before nerds started using it to mean 1024.
The moment you get to 1000 using powers of two, you win the argument.