We are talking about money paid, and the principle of having companies take away our ability to use what we have legally paid for, just because they have us by the balls
Yeah, so are you buying the new Halo Reach Ultimate pack too?
All right, I see tasering, beating, and kicking, but where's the execution? And by execution, I mean on-the-spot, declared-guilty-under-law-and-shot-in-the-head kind, not the "the cop got acquitted in court after a year by a jury of civilians" kind.
Ok--here's an example from the first page of that site: A man operating a motor vehicle is tased while the vehicle is in gear, causing him to lose control of the vehicle. The police naturally go into "OMFG HE'S TRYING TO KILL US" mode and shoot him 7 times in the back...
All right, I see tasering, beating, and kicking, but where's the execution? And by execution, I mean on-the-spot, declared-guilty-under-law-and-shot-in-the-head kind, not the "the cop got acquitted in court after a year by a jury of civilians" kind.
They always get acquitted.
I was speaking about cops taking the law into their own hands--that happens a *lot*. As far as 'murder' under the color of law, that happens less frequently. But keep reading that site--they're good for a handful per month.
Fat cats may not be a talking point, but it is a derisive term showing bias.
You could just as easily have said:
The bastards on Wall Street
The assholes on Wall Street
The insensitive clods on Wall Street
The elitists on Wall Street
The old white men on Wall Street
The Nazis on Wall Street
These are just a few examples of words that have automatic negative connotations, meaning that using any of them paints whoever you're talking about as the bad guy.
See also: 'Perp walk' as put on by the FBI, DOJ, ATF, etc...
See also: 'Pleading guilty/not-guilty' instead of saying 'innocent'
It's not as if the government was forcing banks to make bad loans
Wrong. Fannie and Freddy were both involved in giving horrible loans to people.
You will also note the Democrats in congress attempting to bring reform to the financial sector, but being blocked by Republicans
Right--because if we can't trust greedy human beings running evil corporations, we sure as hell need the greedy^H^H^H^H^H^H senators stepping in to regulate everything...you know, because they'll never reap financial rewards from their legislation...
Where do people get the idea that corporations are evil but the moment you become Nancy Pelosi or Scott Brown you're suddenly infallible and would never act for your own self-interest?
We know who to blame. This is not this government's fault. This is Wall Street's fault, and the previous administrations, and all the Republican neo-cons who have deregulated everything they could get their hands on over the past thirty years.
You're right! It's everybody's fault but your own. Wall Street, the Republicans, the Democrats, and Bush! Every single one of them held a gun to your head and told you to get a bad loan or make bad investments. As a matter of fact, it's their fault you are too stupid to manage your finances appropriately. You invest in a business that you know nothing about? Their fault. Confused about all the strange money-words like 't-bills', 'dividends', 'money markets', 'hedge funds', etc...? It's their fault. You should totally be able to just fork over hundreds or thousands of dollars to anonymous Wall Street-type people and get millions back with no work or effort. If the money vanishes, it wasn't because of your own stupidity...of course not.
I know several people that lost tens of thousands of dollars in the stock market. They are looking at retirement accounts that are worth less than what they put in over the years. Cry me a river.
Guess how much I lost in the stock market. Zero.
Guess how much Goldman Sachs stole from me. Zero.
Quit whining and be a man. Take responsibility for your own financial decisions.
Aside from the fact the woman would never want to be raped and MS rather you pirate their software than use Linux.
What are you talking about? MS will fine/sue you if you pirate their software. What are they going to do if you use Linux, sue you over patent infrin....oh...
piracy = capturing and looting ships on the high seas (without the backing of a nation, then it is war)
I don't disagree with that statement.
However, the term 'piracy' usually used as 'music piracy' or 'movie piracy' is commonly used and everyone knows immediately what you are talking about rather than saying "Someone who downloads music over the internet that they didn't pay for and don't have a right to download". It's easier to just say 'pirate'. And using the surrounding context, you can probably guess that I'm not talking about someone looting ships on the high sea.
On one hand, I can easily argue that downloading a song isn't theft in the traditional sense. If I break into your house and steal your CDs, you have been deprived of CDs. On the other hand, if I make a digital copy of your CD, you aren't being deprived of anything.
In the same vein, the music or movie companies are being deprived of money.
Just because you can copy something, doesn't mean you should. Your personal data could be copied without harming you. Does that mean I should have access to the entire tjmax customer database?;)
Plymouth originated as a RedHat technology, so expect to see it there too. Wouldn't be surprised to find it in the next Debian too--it's where everybody else is going. The ability to "degrade" back to simple text mode is supposed to be there. I expect that months from now, part of the standard set of tricks every Linux server admin knows will be how to force Plymouth into text mode. I believe this works:
plymouth-set-default-plugin text
/usr/libexec/plymouth/plymouth-update-initrd
...presuming that you can get your server booted via single user mode or via rescue disk to execute the commands. Not sure if there's a grub-based solution here that always works; adding "nomodeset" is the first thing to try.
Turns out there's something weird going on between my two fakeraid cards (which I use in JBOD mode so I can get extra SATA ports onto this older motherboard) and Ubuntu. 8.04 works great, everything else fails, drops disks, or core dumps. Debian apparently has no problem.
99% of users have computers that handle IPv6 just fine, most consumer routers even do it just fine.
This is such a non-issue it's just hilarious watching everybody freak about it.
Really? Which consumer routers would those be? I can't seem to find them anywhere.
The only consumer router I could 'find' is an old Dell PowerEdge 500SC machine that I installed Ubuntu and Shorewall to. Then I configured/etc/shorewall/* along with/etc/network/interfaces using 'vi', along with setting up a tunnel through Hurricaine Electric so I could get IP.v...what? That's not considered 'consumer'?
"We all know that IPv4 address space is almost all gone — but how will we know when the exact date is? and what will happen that day?
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
I'm using Ubuntu right now, but a coworker told me he prefers Fedora (quote: "Any OS that fits on a single CD can't be any good."). Meanwhile my company is using Red Hat for their development.
What makes one Linux better than another?
I say the same thing about programming languages. Any application that doesn't carry a runtime dependency of at least a few hundred megs can't be any good. That's why I use the.NET framework. Oh--I also hate freedom and kick puppies.
If you're using it just because you're a tight wad then you might as well pirate the OS you really want.
That makes about as much sense as "If you're sleeping her just because you're desperate and she's free, you might as well rape the woman you really want."
Same here. The final straw for me is plymouth....on servers. You can't get away from the graphical boot apparently. All the core packages depend on it. And guess what doesn't work on my server? Plymouth. So I can't graphically boot, and I can't remove it.
Wouldn't that just equal the original dollar amount of what was counterfeited and put into circulation?
I wasn't talking about a monetary value. The GP said we should consider the/damage/ to each victim. Sure, there's a monetary value to that roughly equal to the amount counterfeited, but there's also the erosion of confidence in the dollar, and funding for the manpower to protect the dollar. If you get a really good lawyer, you can also get money for the emotional pain and suffering everyone felt because of the lost value of the dollar.;)
The problem with indicting the Fed is this: as the amount of wealth in our society grows, so must the amount of money grow. Otherwise money will be constantly deflating, which is a Bad Thing because it rewards people for sitting on their cash
The other bad thing is that if the fed didn't keep screwing around with the money and causing inflation, the gold I own wouldn't be worth more and more just by sitting on it.
(And don't be pedantic--I know the gold isn't actually worth more itself--just worth more in comparison to the US dollar as it plummets down the drain...)
Nobody gets hurt, there's no violence involved. You just make it and spend it.
That's probably why the G takes it so
Report to Econ 101 please.
The damage from counterfeiting is inflation. Therefore, counterfeiting is a crime whose damage is divided among all individuals who are holding cash, or who are holding dollar-denominated assets at a fixed interest rate.
That the damage to each victim is very small is a secondary issue that perhaps could be considered at sentencing time.
Fine. We'll take the small inflation done by the counterfeiter, and multiply it times the 300,000,000 people he affected in the US.;)
I have to disagree. I'm far from a Microsoft fan, but they've never prevented me from running software on their products because they disagreed with the content or subject matter.
Ever try loading a self-signed certificate on to their Windows Mobile platform?
Just plug the brand-spankin' new phone into a machine running Windows 2008 or Vista via the USB cable and it automatically detects the phone and installs^H^H^H^H^Hfails to load the drivers. Once you get the drivers loaded, you can just copy the cert over to the pho...shit. No memory card. You can't access the phones 'internal' memory.
No worries, it's an internet-enabled device. Although I can't connect to the company wifi because I have no cert, I can just stick it on our IIS web server and download it to the phone...except the phone won't let you download a file with.cer or.crt as the extension. So rename it to.zip...except IIS refuses to serve zip files in its default config....and.txt tries to display the raw cert data. IE on the damn phone doesn't have a 'right-click->save target as' menu either, so creating an HTML page with a link to the cert doesn't work either.
Maybe name the certificate cert.dat....oh--that fails too. WTF?
Ok--plug my Android phone into Windows. Shows up as a disk drive. Copy cert to Android. Use bluetooth to push it to the WinMo phone...except it won't push the cert unless the phones are actually paired. No ad-hoc file transfers. Lame. Pair phones, transfer cert, install, done.
Gee--that only wasted about 2 hours of my life for their 'friendly' platform.
Compare that with my android hooking up to Exchange. Put in server details, and click 'Ignore the F*&#@$& cerficate warning'. Done. Less than 60 seconds.
And no--in a company with 15 WinMo phones, I do NOT want to spend thousands of dollars on System Center Mobile so I can auto-provision the phones with the damn cert and some very basic and crappy IT policy stuff.
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We are talking about money paid, and the principle of having companies take away our ability to use what we have legally paid for, just because they have us by the balls
Yeah, so are you buying the new Halo Reach Ultimate pack too?
All right, I see tasering, beating, and kicking, but where's the execution? And by execution, I mean on-the-spot, declared-guilty-under-law-and-shot-in-the-head kind, not the "the cop got acquitted in court after a year by a jury of civilians" kind.
Ok--here's an example from the first page of that site: A man operating a motor vehicle is tased while the vehicle is in gear, causing him to lose control of the vehicle. The police naturally go into "OMFG HE'S TRYING TO KILL US" mode and shoot him 7 times in the back...
Story
That's murder.
All right, I see tasering, beating, and kicking, but where's the execution? And by execution, I mean on-the-spot, declared-guilty-under-law-and-shot-in-the-head kind, not the "the cop got acquitted in court after a year by a jury of civilians" kind.
They always get acquitted.
I was speaking about cops taking the law into their own hands--that happens a *lot*. As far as 'murder' under the color of law, that happens less frequently. But keep reading that site--they're good for a handful per month.
I'm sure it happens in the U.S. once in a while, but not to a thousand people in a year.
Maybe you should start reading Injustice Everywhere. It is thousands every year.
Fat cats may not be a talking point, but it is a derisive term showing bias.
You could just as easily have said:
The bastards on Wall Street The assholes on Wall Street The insensitive clods on Wall Street The elitists on Wall Street The old white men on Wall Street The Nazis on Wall Street
These are just a few examples of words that have automatic negative connotations, meaning that using any of them paints whoever you're talking about as the bad guy.
See also: 'Perp walk' as put on by the FBI, DOJ, ATF, etc...
See also: 'Pleading guilty/not-guilty' instead of saying 'innocent'
It's not as if the government was forcing banks to make bad loans
Wrong. Fannie and Freddy were both involved in giving horrible loans to people.
You will also note the Democrats in congress attempting to bring reform to the financial sector, but being blocked by Republicans
Right--because if we can't trust greedy human beings running evil corporations, we sure as hell need the greedy^H^H^H^H^H^H senators stepping in to regulate everything...you know, because they'll never reap financial rewards from their legislation...
Where do people get the idea that corporations are evil but the moment you become Nancy Pelosi or Scott Brown you're suddenly infallible and would never act for your own self-interest?
We know who to blame. This is not this government's fault. This is Wall Street's fault, and the previous administrations, and all the Republican neo-cons who have deregulated everything they could get their hands on over the past thirty years.
You're right! It's everybody's fault but your own. Wall Street, the Republicans, the Democrats, and Bush! Every single one of them held a gun to your head and told you to get a bad loan or make bad investments. As a matter of fact, it's their fault you are too stupid to manage your finances appropriately. You invest in a business that you know nothing about? Their fault. Confused about all the strange money-words like 't-bills', 'dividends', 'money markets', 'hedge funds', etc...? It's their fault. You should totally be able to just fork over hundreds or thousands of dollars to anonymous Wall Street-type people and get millions back with no work or effort. If the money vanishes, it wasn't because of your own stupidity...of course not.
I know several people that lost tens of thousands of dollars in the stock market. They are looking at retirement accounts that are worth less than what they put in over the years. Cry me a river.
Guess how much I lost in the stock market. Zero.
Guess how much Goldman Sachs stole from me. Zero.
Quit whining and be a man. Take responsibility for your own financial decisions.
Aside from the fact the woman would never want to be raped and MS rather you pirate their software than use Linux.
What are you talking about? MS will fine/sue you if you pirate their software. What are they going to do if you use Linux, sue you over patent infrin....oh...
piracy = capturing and looting ships on the high seas (without the backing of a nation, then it is war)
I don't disagree with that statement.
;)
However, the term 'piracy' usually used as 'music piracy' or 'movie piracy' is commonly used and everyone knows immediately what you are talking about rather than saying "Someone who downloads music over the internet that they didn't pay for and don't have a right to download". It's easier to just say 'pirate'. And using the surrounding context, you can probably guess that I'm not talking about someone looting ships on the high sea.
On one hand, I can easily argue that downloading a song isn't theft in the traditional sense. If I break into your house and steal your CDs, you have been deprived of CDs. On the other hand, if I make a digital copy of your CD, you aren't being deprived of anything.
In the same vein, the music or movie companies are being deprived of money.
Just because you can copy something, doesn't mean you should. Your personal data could be copied without harming you. Does that mean I should have access to the entire tjmax customer database?
Removing "splash" from the kernel options was all I ever had to do. Isn't that sufficient?
It is insufficient with plymouth. As far as I know, 'splash' was for the usplash package.
Yup. Copyright infringement = Rape.
This message was brought to you by the Recording Industry Association of America.
No, but "taking something that doesn't belong to you" == "taking something that doesn't belong to you"
It doesn't matter if that something is software or raping someone, it's still wrong.
Both of my routers support IPv6 (wrt54g and airport express), maybe I'm just lucky.
So the WRT54G which requires custom firmware, and the Airport. That doesn't exactly fit the statement 'most consumer routers'.
Plymouth originated as a RedHat technology, so expect to see it there too. Wouldn't be surprised to find it in the next Debian too--it's where everybody else is going. The ability to "degrade" back to simple text mode is supposed to be there. I expect that months from now, part of the standard set of tricks every Linux server admin knows will be how to force Plymouth into text mode. I believe this works:
plymouth-set-default-plugin text
Turns out there's something weird going on between my two fakeraid cards (which I use in JBOD mode so I can get extra SATA ports onto this older motherboard) and Ubuntu. 8.04 works great, everything else fails, drops disks, or core dumps. Debian apparently has no problem.
99% of users have computers that handle IPv6 just fine, most consumer routers even do it just fine.
This is such a non-issue it's just hilarious watching everybody freak about it.
Really? Which consumer routers would those be? I can't seem to find them anywhere.
/etc/shorewall/* along with /etc/network/interfaces using 'vi', along with setting up a tunnel through Hurricaine Electric so I could get IP.v...what? That's not considered 'consumer'?
The only consumer router I could 'find' is an old Dell PowerEdge 500SC machine that I installed Ubuntu and Shorewall to. Then I configured
"We all know that IPv4 address space is almost all gone — but how will we know when the exact date is? and what will happen that day?
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
I'm using Ubuntu right now, but a coworker told me he prefers Fedora (quote: "Any OS that fits on a single CD can't be any good."). Meanwhile my company is using Red Hat for their development.
What makes one Linux better than another?
I say the same thing about programming languages. Any application that doesn't carry a runtime dependency of at least a few hundred megs can't be any good. That's why I use the .NET framework. Oh--I also hate freedom and kick puppies.
If you're using it just because you're a tight wad then you might as well pirate the OS you really want.
That makes about as much sense as "If you're sleeping her just because you're desperate and she's free, you might as well rape the woman you really want."
One situation is 'free', the other is 'illegal'.
Just when I was moving to Debian.
Same here. The final straw for me is plymouth....on servers. You can't get away from the graphical boot apparently. All the core packages depend on it. And guess what doesn't work on my server? Plymouth. So I can't graphically boot, and I can't remove it.
packages.debian.org doesn't even list 'plymouth'.
Hello, Debian.
Wouldn't that just equal the original dollar amount of what was counterfeited and put into circulation?
I wasn't talking about a monetary value. The GP said we should consider the /damage/ to each victim. Sure, there's a monetary value to that roughly equal to the amount counterfeited, but there's also the erosion of confidence in the dollar, and funding for the manpower to protect the dollar. If you get a really good lawyer, you can also get money for the emotional pain and suffering everyone felt because of the lost value of the dollar. ;)
The problem with indicting the Fed is this: as the amount of wealth in our society grows, so must the amount of money grow. Otherwise money will be constantly deflating, which is a Bad Thing because it rewards people for sitting on their cash
The other bad thing is that if the fed didn't keep screwing around with the money and causing inflation, the gold I own wouldn't be worth more and more just by sitting on it.
(And don't be pedantic--I know the gold isn't actually worth more itself--just worth more in comparison to the US dollar as it plummets down the drain...)
Report to Econ 101 please.
The damage from counterfeiting is inflation. Therefore, counterfeiting is a crime whose damage is divided among all individuals who are holding cash, or who are holding dollar-denominated assets at a fixed interest rate.
That the damage to each victim is very small is a secondary issue that perhaps could be considered at sentencing time.
Fine. We'll take the small inflation done by the counterfeiter, and multiply it times the 300,000,000 people he affected in the US. ;)
Nobody gets hurt, there's no violence involved.
Counterfeiting reduces the trust people have in the money.
Counterfeiting? I thought it was government.
I have to disagree. I'm far from a Microsoft fan, but they've never prevented me from running software on their products because they disagreed with the content or subject matter.
Ever try loading a self-signed certificate on to their Windows Mobile platform?
.cer or .crt as the extension. So rename it to .zip...except IIS refuses to serve zip files in its default config....and .txt tries to display the raw cert data. IE on the damn phone doesn't have a 'right-click->save target as' menu either, so creating an HTML page with a link to the cert doesn't work either.
Just plug the brand-spankin' new phone into a machine running Windows 2008 or Vista via the USB cable and it automatically detects the phone and installs^H^H^H^H^Hfails to load the drivers. Once you get the drivers loaded, you can just copy the cert over to the pho...shit. No memory card. You can't access the phones 'internal' memory.
No worries, it's an internet-enabled device. Although I can't connect to the company wifi because I have no cert, I can just stick it on our IIS web server and download it to the phone...except the phone won't let you download a file with
Maybe name the certificate cert.dat....oh--that fails too. WTF?
Ok--plug my Android phone into Windows. Shows up as a disk drive. Copy cert to Android. Use bluetooth to push it to the WinMo phone...except it won't push the cert unless the phones are actually paired. No ad-hoc file transfers. Lame. Pair phones, transfer cert, install, done.
Gee--that only wasted about 2 hours of my life for their 'friendly' platform.
Compare that with my android hooking up to Exchange. Put in server details, and click 'Ignore the F*&#@$& cerficate warning'. Done. Less than 60 seconds.
And no--in a company with 15 WinMo phones, I do NOT want to spend thousands of dollars on System Center Mobile so I can auto-provision the phones with the damn cert and some very basic and crappy IT policy stuff.
I hate to say this, but use cash.
Agreed.
No more overdraft fees either. If you don't have the cash, you can't make the purchase.
Also, if you're going to carry your entire paycheck on you, consider getting your own 'Federal' deposit insurance...
Oh fuck, write.
Sigh, some mornings it pays not to post to /.
It never pays to post to slashdot in the morning. Seriously. WTF are you still doing up at 10 AM--working late?
-1 Nauseating.
Depends on your point of view I guess. Personally, I think if you haven't broken furniture at least once you're not doing it right.
*Puh-lease*. This is Slashdot.
If you haven't caused a data center to fail over, you're not doing it right...