not when all you want is bots or just old plain wreaking havoc.
On that note, I'm somewhat surprised more bots don't attempt to fire of 'dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda'. Probably because it's very unlikely to get root privs--but that would be a horrible mess. I've tried that on a live box that we had just replaced. Linux ran for a long time before we figured out it was hosed...
And on that note, I'm glad Microsoft doesn't include a command like 'dd' in a Windows install.
>as soon as a breakthrough occurs it's often easy to continue with the penetration.
Does IIS scream and moan during this penetration??
That's disgusting. But it did remind me of our morning coffee ritual when I worked for an ISP. We'd all be getting coffee from the machine, and someone would spout off with "I like my coffee like I like my women..." then they'd follow it up with something like "hot and goes down easy" or "dark and bitter", etc...
The only time I ever shot hot coffee out my nose was when one of the techs walked up and slightly changed the mantra to "I like my women like I like my Microsoft webservers...insecure and full of holes waiting to be exploited."
waitasec... #4, www.bing.com, runs on *LINUX*? Man, the kool-aid in Redmond must SUCK.
What's even weirder is that the top 5 servers with the highest uptime are all Windows 2000.
I haven't touched Windows 2000 in probably 5 years, and I've been trying to avoid Windows at all costs for about 4 years....so someone educate me on this: Isn't Windows 2000 unsupported when it comes to security updates? I had a friend tell me a few years ago that his employer (some-mega-corp) had to pay Microsoft over $5,000 just to get them to develop a version of the DST patch for their old Win2k/Exchange2k corporate mail system...
Wouldn't those Windows 2000 servers be a *huge* target?
I can see it now...
"Kid. This was your fathers laptop. Cherish it as he did. It currently has just over 6 decades of uptime. With any luck, you'll be able to reach 13 or 14..."
Not for long you wouldn't. There are places in this world where there is no substantial police or government presence. I suggest you go to one of them and then report back on how safe you feel. Take whatever weapons you like.
I would be willing to bet those are the same places that don't allow citizens to be armed, so they can't defend themselves. Imagine how the situation in Iran would differ if the citizens were armed. If the Iranian government attempted to murder those students, they would be facing a horde of armed citizens saying "You better not..." (yeah, with the '...' and everything)
Cute strawman but I didn't say that, what I did do is call you out on the opposite assumption that all cops are bad and we should be rid of them alltogether because of how horrible they are.
It's a fallacy either way.
I suppose I could say the same thing about you.
Cute strawman, but I didn't say that all cops are bad. And I also agree that we shouldn't get rid of all the cops. Just the bad ones.
How many cops are there in the country? How many people do the same things or worse without being cops?
After calculating all the abuse of power *that we know about* over 30 days in April, we find that every 90 minutes a police officer abuses his or her power. That's lying, stealing, cheating, fighting, driving drunk, shooting someone without cause, assault, battery, unlawful detainment, color of law violations, etc...
Maybe the next time you get stopped something will happen to you. Then you'll stop being ignorant and making excuses because 'most' cops are good--as if that excuses the bad ones...or that we shouldn't do something about them.
Strange. That's only a 12-hours news window. I'd hate to see the abuses heaped upon us by government employees who are here to keep us safe if it were a counted over a year...
Now, if only the administrators were actually held liable for their stupid decisions.
Like that'll ever happen.
Why make the person or people who committed the rights violation responsible for their actions. A better idea is to allow the suit to be filed against the nebulous 'school district'. This way the people responsible won't be punished with a hefty financial fine. Instead, the taxpayers will see hikes, new levies, and also a decline in funds actually reaching the God-awful schools and the students they try to indoctrinate.
If I were getting indoctrinated, I would at least want a decent computer in the classroom...
If I have 50 tax payer supported kids now, sure, their life may suck, but in 100 years, my offspring will OWN your offspring, in sheer numbers if nothing else!
You're missing another great side-effect. Instead of one kid having to pony up significant amounts of cash for your retirement home (meaning you live in a place that smells like pee), you have 50 tax-payer funded kids who can all afford to spend a small amount, putting you into a castle.
I'm kind of curious about something, though too lazy to test it myself by opening out my machines.
Did you (anytime recently) try the exact same thing (3â"4 dozen tabs open) on the same machine with, say, Netscape Navigator or Firefox 1.0?
Are there significant differences?
Nope--just FF. I'm hoping Chrome for Linux will get here--because when one FF tab is extremely slow, they are all slow....and you can't figure out easily which tab is causing everything to slow down. Based on my Chrome for Windows experiences, it should be much easier to manage a large number of tabs in Linux.
Their contact numbers are also Chinese - gee, what an amazing surprise. So I doubt suing them is even an option.
No, but you could always send an anonymous note to their government saying you read a comment in their source code about how they love the memory Tienanmen and want their people to be free like open source--then their government will take care of them. Murdered for code?
Sorry you are having probs with memory usage on your (ancient?) computer. Perhaps you should consider forgoing a burger lunch this week?
Yeah--except my ancient computer is a Compaq Presario 2100 laptop that was given to me a few years back. It can hold a maximum of 1 GB--and that's what I have in it. So skipping $7 as McDonalds isn't going to get me a new laptop or desktop that has more than 1 GB in it.
Of course my tests are better than these stupid graphs. I have 3 Firefox profiles open right now, each one with no less than 2 windows and 20 tabs. My system is so damn slow it's unusable. Between the 3 FF processes, I'm using over 90% of my system's memory, and over 96% of the CPU.
Damn I need a faster machine with something like 16 GB RAM in it...
I'm not sure MoneyDance will work for me; I have the H&B version of Money, and actually use it to create invoices and track business expenses. The only other option seems to be Quickbooks.. and I was happy to leave Quicken years ago..
In that case, MoneyDance won't work for you. I've used MS Money H&B 2007, and it's lightyears past MoneyDance. I'm sure they'll get there eventually. Too bad it isn't open source...
Microsoft Money is the one app I still miss from the Microsoft platform. There's nothing like it for Linux.
Well if you really want to run Linux on your PC and still want to lock yourself into products that only run under an Microsoft OS there are two ways of approaching this problem.
I think you missed my point. If you compare Microsoft Money to *any* money app on the Linux platform, the linux platform comes up short.
I don't use Windows in my house. No virtual machines, not even media lying around. But I still miss Money because there's nothing like it for Linux.
I agree; Money is a good program. Of course, it's not the only app on Windows I use, but since we're both in the same boat... what do you plan on to replace Money?
And please, nobody say GNUCash. It's a pile of crap... I actually moved from GNUCash TO Money!
I switched to MoneyDance--it's the one proprietary linux app I run on my box. It's decent, but it's nothing like MS Money. Some basic reports, check register, tracking loans--just none of the 'polish' that Money has. It's getting better though, and I believe you get free upgrades for life once you buy it.
OneCare is to get the boot as of June 30 (along with finance app Microsoft Money).
Man--I have mixed emotions about this one.
Microsoft Money is the one app I still miss from the Microsoft platform. There's nothing like it for Linux.
I occasionally think about settings up a virtual machine to run Money--but I cringe about paying $125 for an XP license to run a $50 program.
But thank God I'm free from the curse. Now I never have to think wistfully about any app on the Microsoft platform...
Wow you must have a big thing for chicks in giant puffy astronaut suits because that photo on her wiki does absolutely nothing for me. Got links to a pic of her in a bikini?
She's an astronaut. Do you really think she ever posed for Sports Illustrated or Playboy because she 'needed the cash'?
You can believe whatever you want and you do not have to agree with me.
But me I believe that you are ever a millionaire it will be when half the population is too and million is nothing.
It impossible to have more than 1% of the people in the top 1%. And when that top 1% control 50% of the wealth the rest of us are peons.
Yeah--but that has nothing to do with the point of the argument. If you have worked hard and earned millions, why should anyone else be entitled to your money? And if the government thinks it can raise taxes on rich people to pay for poor people who don't work--eventually the rich will say 'screw it' and move to a place where the IRS can't get them. And they have the financial means to do it.
No one is talking about sales taxes here. Those taxes are designed to be passed to the customer. We're talking about all the various taxes that businesses are required to pay. Taxes on profit, medicare taxes, social security taxes. I don't personally go along with the whole 'businesses shouldn't pay taxes' mindset, but I see where people are coming from. Is that computer that costs $500 going to cost less if the company doesn't have to pay tax on the profit they're making at the end of the year? That's the question. And personally, I don't think so. As that is too abstract for most people to see right away...
If a business is required to pay some tax--any tax, they will make darned sure they are selling their products at enough of a markup that the tax is covered. In this situation though, I believe it would take longer for the cost of goods to come down when the tax is lessened/dropped. Businesses would take a while to recalculate everything, and then figure out how much they could shave off the price to try and beat the competition.
If PC pricing is transparent you will get less competition and potentially higher prices... Think about the following... Apple... Transparent? HA! Oh wait their margins are glorious!!!
Right--so in answer to my question, you would respond 'you are correct'.
Forgetting Apple and their 'opaque' process, there's a reason the company I work for gets most of the business in my town. We are cheaper all around. Our computers are cheaper because we don't purchase them retail (paying tax) and then resell it to customers. We buy as a distributor (not paying taxes) and then sell them to customers (who pay the tax). Now if we were being taxed on the PC--do you really think we'd be eating into our profits, or increasing the sale price? I tell you we won't be eating into the profits.
Drop the tax off completely, and we're going to keep selling the computer at the same price we've always sold them at--but the government wouldn't get their chunk. Lower taxes usually equal lower prices. There aren't too many companies that are stupid enough to raise their prices in exchange for lower taxes. Of course there aren't many governments that cut programs and lower taxes in the first place...
How so? By believing that I can perform a valuable service to businesses, negotiate my pay, earn a good living, save my money, invest wisely, and become a millionaire? That makes me a peon?
Maybe I should follow the groupthink. Believe I can perform a government-mandated service to businesses (like being a CFL inspector), join a union and force people to pay me extortionate wages, become rich off extortionate pay, and then have the government tax the #*^$ out of me to give it to my neighbor the who sits on his porch every day smoking and drinking and collecting welfare checks...? You know--I like my way better. You don't have a right to my money.
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not when all you want is bots or just old plain wreaking havoc.
On that note, I'm somewhat surprised more bots don't attempt to fire of 'dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda'. Probably because it's very unlikely to get root privs--but that would be a horrible mess. I've tried that on a live box that we had just replaced. Linux ran for a long time before we figured out it was hosed...
And on that note, I'm glad Microsoft doesn't include a command like 'dd' in a Windows install.
>as soon as a breakthrough occurs it's often easy to continue with the penetration. Does IIS scream and moan during this penetration??
That's disgusting. But it did remind me of our morning coffee ritual when I worked for an ISP. We'd all be getting coffee from the machine, and someone would spout off with "I like my coffee like I like my women..." then they'd follow it up with something like "hot and goes down easy" or "dark and bitter", etc...
The only time I ever shot hot coffee out my nose was when one of the techs walked up and slightly changed the mantra to "I like my women like I like my Microsoft webservers...insecure and full of holes waiting to be exploited."
He's kind of a sick fucker. You'd like him.
waitasec... #4, www.bing.com, runs on *LINUX*? Man, the kool-aid in Redmond must SUCK.
What's even weirder is that the top 5 servers with the highest uptime are all Windows 2000.
I haven't touched Windows 2000 in probably 5 years, and I've been trying to avoid Windows at all costs for about 4 years....so someone educate me on this: Isn't Windows 2000 unsupported when it comes to security updates? I had a friend tell me a few years ago that his employer (some-mega-corp) had to pay Microsoft over $5,000 just to get them to develop a version of the DST patch for their old Win2k/Exchange2k corporate mail system...
Wouldn't those Windows 2000 servers be a *huge* target?
I can see it now... "Kid. This was your fathers laptop. Cherish it as he did. It currently has just over 6 decades of uptime. With any luck, you'll be able to reach 13 or 14..."
Not for long you wouldn't. There are places in this world where there is no substantial police or government presence. I suggest you go to one of them and then report back on how safe you feel. Take whatever weapons you like.
I would be willing to bet those are the same places that don't allow citizens to be armed, so they can't defend themselves. Imagine how the situation in Iran would differ if the citizens were armed. If the Iranian government attempted to murder those students, they would be facing a horde of armed citizens saying "You better not..." (yeah, with the '...' and everything)
Cute strawman but I didn't say that, what I did do is call you out on the opposite assumption that all cops are bad and we should be rid of them alltogether because of how horrible they are.
It's a fallacy either way.
I suppose I could say the same thing about you.
Cute strawman, but I didn't say that all cops are bad. And I also agree that we shouldn't get rid of all the cops. Just the bad ones.
How many cops are there in the country? How many people do the same things or worse without being cops?
After calculating all the abuse of power *that we know about* over 30 days in April, we find that every 90 minutes a police officer abuses his or her power. That's lying, stealing, cheating, fighting, driving drunk, shooting someone without cause, assault, battery, unlawful detainment, color of law violations, etc...
Maybe the next time you get stopped something will happen to you. Then you'll stop being ignorant and making excuses because 'most' cops are good--as if that excuses the bad ones...or that we shouldn't do something about them.
you call the police and let THEM deal with it. That's why we HAVE police to begin with.
That's not what the police are for. The are here to:
Sodomize you during a search
Tase you if you are a minor
Screw the same women while on duty
Steal computer information
Lie and perjure themselves under oath
Threaten you
Rape your children
Murder your children and abuse you
Strange. That's only a 12-hours news window. I'd hate to see the abuses heaped upon us by government employees who are here to keep us safe if it were a counted over a year...
Now, if only the administrators were actually held liable for their stupid decisions.
Like that'll ever happen.
Why make the person or people who committed the rights violation responsible for their actions. A better idea is to allow the suit to be filed against the nebulous 'school district'. This way the people responsible won't be punished with a hefty financial fine. Instead, the taxpayers will see hikes, new levies, and also a decline in funds actually reaching the God-awful schools and the students they try to indoctrinate.
If I were getting indoctrinated, I would at least want a decent computer in the classroom...
If I have 50 tax payer supported kids now, sure, their life may suck, but in 100 years, my offspring will OWN your offspring, in sheer numbers if nothing else!
You're missing another great side-effect. Instead of one kid having to pony up significant amounts of cash for your retirement home (meaning you live in a place that smells like pee), you have 50 tax-payer funded kids who can all afford to spend a small amount, putting you into a castle.
I'm kind of curious about something, though too lazy to test it myself by opening out my machines.
Did you (anytime recently) try the exact same thing (3â"4 dozen tabs open) on the same machine with, say, Netscape Navigator or Firefox 1.0?
Are there significant differences?
Nope--just FF. I'm hoping Chrome for Linux will get here--because when one FF tab is extremely slow, they are all slow. ...and you can't figure out easily which tab is causing everything to slow down. Based on my Chrome for Windows experiences, it should be much easier to manage a large number of tabs in Linux.
Their contact numbers are also Chinese - gee, what an amazing surprise. So I doubt suing them is even an option.
No, but you could always send an anonymous note to their government saying you read a comment in their source code about how they love the memory Tienanmen and want their people to be free like open source--then their government will take care of them. Murdered for code?
Sorry you are having probs with memory usage on your (ancient?) computer. Perhaps you should consider forgoing a burger lunch this week?
Yeah--except my ancient computer is a Compaq Presario 2100 laptop that was given to me a few years back. It can hold a maximum of 1 GB--and that's what I have in it. So skipping $7 as McDonalds isn't going to get me a new laptop or desktop that has more than 1 GB in it.
Of course my tests are better than these stupid graphs. I have 3 Firefox profiles open right now, each one with no less than 2 windows and 20 tabs. My system is so damn slow it's unusable. Between the 3 FF processes, I'm using over 90% of my system's memory, and over 96% of the CPU.
Damn I need a faster machine with something like 16 GB RAM in it...
I'm not sure MoneyDance will work for me; I have the H&B version of Money, and actually use it to create invoices and track business expenses. The only other option seems to be Quickbooks.. and I was happy to leave Quicken years ago..
In that case, MoneyDance won't work for you. I've used MS Money H&B 2007, and it's lightyears past MoneyDance. I'm sure they'll get there eventually. Too bad it isn't open source...
Microsoft Money is the one app I still miss from the Microsoft platform. There's nothing like it for Linux.
Well if you really want to run Linux on your PC and still want to lock yourself into products that only run under an Microsoft OS there are two ways of approaching this problem.
I think you missed my point. If you compare Microsoft Money to *any* money app on the Linux platform, the linux platform comes up short.
I don't use Windows in my house. No virtual machines, not even media lying around. But I still miss Money because there's nothing like it for Linux.
I agree; Money is a good program. Of course, it's not the only app on Windows I use, but since we're both in the same boat... what do you plan on to replace Money?
And please, nobody say GNUCash. It's a pile of crap... I actually moved from GNUCash TO Money!
I switched to MoneyDance--it's the one proprietary linux app I run on my box. It's decent, but it's nothing like MS Money. Some basic reports, check register, tracking loans--just none of the 'polish' that Money has. It's getting better though, and I believe you get free upgrades for life once you buy it.
OneCare is to get the boot as of June 30 (along with finance app Microsoft Money).
Man--I have mixed emotions about this one.
Microsoft Money is the one app I still miss from the Microsoft platform. There's nothing like it for Linux.
I occasionally think about settings up a virtual machine to run Money--but I cringe about paying $125 for an XP license to run a $50 program.
But thank God I'm free from the curse. Now I never have to think wistfully about any app on the Microsoft platform...
They are full of them, and they're full of tossers who believe that Ubuntu's 'market share' amounts to a hill of beans.
Whoa! Slow down there Sparky. Didn't you see the netcraft survey last week? We just hit 9 beans!
Seriously, the site looks like it was designed by a 5 year old downs victim
Obama? When did you start posting to slashdot?
The problem is, the Bill of Rights can be circumvented too.
That's why there's a second amendment. So when all else fails, you can use a line like 'circumvent this!'.
Wow you must have a big thing for chicks in giant puffy astronaut suits because that photo on her wiki does absolutely nothing for me. Got links to a pic of her in a bikini?
She's an astronaut. Do you really think she ever posed for Sports Illustrated or Playboy because she 'needed the cash'?
You can believe whatever you want and you do not have to agree with me.
But me I believe that you are ever a millionaire it will be when half the population is too and million is nothing.
It impossible to have more than 1% of the people in the top 1%. And when that top 1% control 50% of the wealth the rest of us are peons.
Yeah--but that has nothing to do with the point of the argument. If you have worked hard and earned millions, why should anyone else be entitled to your money? And if the government thinks it can raise taxes on rich people to pay for poor people who don't work--eventually the rich will say 'screw it' and move to a place where the IRS can't get them. And they have the financial means to do it.
I think the 'woosh' is perhaps for you.
No one is talking about sales taxes here. Those taxes are designed to be passed to the customer. We're talking about all the various taxes that businesses are required to pay. Taxes on profit, medicare taxes, social security taxes. I don't personally go along with the whole 'businesses shouldn't pay taxes' mindset, but I see where people are coming from. Is that computer that costs $500 going to cost less if the company doesn't have to pay tax on the profit they're making at the end of the year? That's the question. And personally, I don't think so. As that is too abstract for most people to see right away...
If a business is required to pay some tax--any tax, they will make darned sure they are selling their products at enough of a markup that the tax is covered. In this situation though, I believe it would take longer for the cost of goods to come down when the tax is lessened/dropped. Businesses would take a while to recalculate everything, and then figure out how much they could shave off the price to try and beat the competition.
If PC pricing is transparent you will get less competition and potentially higher prices... Think about the following... Apple... Transparent? HA! Oh wait their margins are glorious!!!
Right--so in answer to my question, you would respond 'you are correct'.
Forgetting Apple and their 'opaque' process, there's a reason the company I work for gets most of the business in my town. We are cheaper all around. Our computers are cheaper because we don't purchase them retail (paying tax) and then resell it to customers. We buy as a distributor (not paying taxes) and then sell them to customers (who pay the tax). Now if we were being taxed on the PC--do you really think we'd be eating into our profits, or increasing the sale price? I tell you we won't be eating into the profits.
Drop the tax off completely, and we're going to keep selling the computer at the same price we've always sold them at--but the government wouldn't get their chunk. Lower taxes usually equal lower prices. There aren't too many companies that are stupid enough to raise their prices in exchange for lower taxes. Of course there aren't many governments that cut programs and lower taxes in the first place...
You sir, are a happy peon.
How so? By believing that I can perform a valuable service to businesses, negotiate my pay, earn a good living, save my money, invest wisely, and become a millionaire? That makes me a peon?
Maybe I should follow the groupthink. Believe I can perform a government-mandated service to businesses (like being a CFL inspector), join a union and force people to pay me extortionate wages, become rich off extortionate pay, and then have the government tax the #*^$ out of me to give it to my neighbor the who sits on his porch every day smoking and drinking and collecting welfare checks...? You know--I like my way better. You don't have a right to my money.