I think this problem will fix itself in the near term, the problem right now is that the amount of innovation happening into Linux is just mind boggling. Its not even the kernel, the guys at freedestop/xorg are producing a ton of new code too, along with talk of moving the X-Window graphics drivers into the kernel etc. I think Linus realizes that in order to capitalize on this momentum and investment by large corporations its best to release as much as possible into the current kernel, versus our past way of moving it to development releases. Remember what went into Linux so far as been available in competitor offerings in one way or another, and we are currently consolidating our technology and playing catch-up with competitors. With all technology an eventual level of maturation occurs, and when we get to this level, believe me, it WILL BE READY for the 'average user' desktop and things will "Just Work".
Will they be doing a receiver swap, I imagine their current stream is probably some custom mpeg2 format, which means they could get more bandwidth if they switch over to mpeg4?
Once factor you forgot is the energy required to pump out the water, granted in this case its being used for drinking too; but beyond that, does it still make economical sense to use as strictly a form of cooling?
http://www.gmu.edu/alumni/spirit/00fall/ansari.htm l
If you look at the donators background, I don't think you could find a better or more honorable person to have sponsored this event...
This woman definitely deserves her name to be recorded with X Prize's History...
------- Novell "McBride: Would you buy an operating system without the source-code copyright? If you don't have copyright, they can turn around the next day and screw you."
If you 'Bought' an operating system, then why are you still paying Novell royalties, sounds more like 'managing' it for them, similar to property management companies [which don't own the property].
o Novell Shows Its Hand in the SCO Correspondence
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200401141 1254734&mode=print
------- IBM "Another issue, where I think you can win, is in your contract dispute with IBM. I know Caldera Inc. [SCO's earlier name] bought SCO's Unix properties in the first place with the expectation that IBM would continue to work with Caldera/SCO on bringing AIX/5L to Intel processors, Project Monterey. IBM, in the event, terminated Monterey only weeks after Caldera closed the deal."
You can get information regarding the agreement here: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20 0403071 1323697
In this agreement since Caldera purchased SCO, it clearly states that IBM had the right to terminate the agreement:
"Notwithstanding Section 15.1, IBM shall have the right to terminate this Agreement immediately upon the occurrence of a Change of Control of SCO"
------- GPL
As for the issue of GPL, this is taken from GPL License:
2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1 above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions:
* a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.
* b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.
I wish to ask SCO this, in the license it states that if you modify code, and SUBMIT IT FOR PUBLIC USE [ outside of your own personal use ], then it MUST BE under the conditions of the GPL, why did you allow such a breach to occur? Then your first lawsuit should of been against your employee who submitted the code and disciplining your legal department for not having a proper policy in place. This places you in a position very similar to a retail store setting a wrong price on an item, and then having to honour it, or at least publicly announce what EXACT code was placed that wasn't authorized and ask for it to be removed...
------- Derivative Work
"Sontag: We've shown the SGI code and a number of other things. The preponderance of stuff that we'll be showing, other than the IBM derivative work, is still forthcoming."
$ echo 8/85 -- AT&T Made No Claim to Derivatives, Only to Software Developed by AT&T http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200 402121 54324447
-------- ABI
"There are things out there that help people understand how to program to System V application binary interfaces [ABIs], to help them hook up to the OS. It was out there to help people write applications. It wasn't published to help someone knock off the OS and create a free version of System V."
Analysis of the ABI files:
SCO's Former VP Said The ABI Files Could Be Used in Linux Freely
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200403050 7394870
The ABI Files: More on Errno.h -- by Warren Toomey, UNIX Heritage Society
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200402211 92536920
Signal.h -- Part 2 of Warren Toomey's look at the ABI Files
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200402292 3000172
The BSD Smokescreen by Dr Stupid
http://www.groklaw.ne
------- Novell
"McBride: Would you buy an operating system without the source-code copyright? If you don't have copyright, they can turn around the next day and screw you."
If you 'Bought' an operating system, then why are you still paying Novell royalties, sounds
more like 'managing' it for them, similar to property management companies [which don't own
the property].
o Novell Shows Its Hand in the SCO Correspondence
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200401141 1254734&mode=print
------- IBM
"Another issue, where I think you can win, is in your contract dispute with IBM. I know Caldera Inc. [SCO's earlier name] bought SCO's Unix properties in the first place with the expectation that IBM would continue to work with Caldera/SCO on bringing AIX/5L to Intel processors, Project Monterey. IBM, in the event, terminated Monterey only weeks after Caldera closed the deal."
You can get information regarding the agreement here:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200403071 1323697
In this agreement since Caldera purchased SCO, it clearly states
that IBM had the right to terminate the agreement:
"Notwithstanding Section 15.1, IBM shall have the right to terminate this
Agreement immediately upon the occurrence of a Change of Control of SCO"
------- GPL
As for the issue of GPL, this is taken from GPL License:
2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1 above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions:
* a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.
* b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.
I wish to ask SCO this, in the license it states that if you modify code, and SUBMIT IT FOR PUBLIC USE
[ outside of your own personal use ], then it MUST BE under the conditions of the GPL, why did you allow
such a breach to occur? Then your first lawsuit should of been against your employee who submitted
the code and disciplining your legal department for not having a proper policy in place. This
places you in a position very similar to a retail store setting a wrong price on an item, and then
having to honour it, or at least publicly announce what EXACT code was placed that wasn't authorized
and ask for it to be removed...
------- Derivative Work
"Sontag: We've shown the SGI code and a number of other things. The preponderance of stuff that we'll be showing, other than the IBM derivative work, is still forthcoming."
$ echo 8/85 -- AT&T Made No Claim to Derivatives, Only to Software Developed by AT&T
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200402121 54324447
-------- ABI
"There are things out there that help people understand how to program to System V application binary interfaces [ABIs], to help them hook up to the OS. It was out there to help people write applications. It wasn't published to help someone knock off the OS and create a free version of System V."
Analysis of the ABI files:
SCO's Former VP Said The ABI Files Could Be Used in Linux Freely
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200403050 7394870
The ABI Files: More on Errno.h -- by Warren Toomey, UNIX Heritage Society
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200402211 92536920
Signal.h -- Part 2 of Warren Toomey's look at the ABI Files
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200402292 3000172
The BSD Smokescreen by Dr Stupid
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200402181 95403210
-------- Dynamic Shared Libraries [MORE ABI]
"Sontag: Sure, there may be some of that, but look at dynamic shared libraries; different operating systems imple
Well according to some old news releases, they purchased 3000 linux terminals, I wonder if they were a SCO Customer earlier? Anyhow this gives ammo to Redhat in their lawsuit, that they are threatning their customers.
http://archive.infoworld.com/articles/pi/xml/99/12/01/991201piredauto.xml
Shouldn't Bioware also be getting a share, more games are probably being burned to CD/DVD's then music, this tax is so pathetic, just a money grab by this organization, there management fees probably take out 65% of it too, leaving the artists next to nothing.
Look for X10 in this article
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jenett-news/message/ 222?source=1
It seems at one time, this AdvertisingBanners company was actually distributing their Ads, and if you read in that url, it also mentions that pop-unders where initially done by the online porn industry... The SeattleTimes doesn't mention anything about Patents, X10 probably just didn't pay these guys?
The original technology behind that is Sun's Java Webstart, i'sn't there any patents covering that? Its pretty slick technology once you get it working right, I would be amazed if Sun didn't patent it, its hell of a lot more innovative then Amazon's one click purchase crap.
I think the real issue is the greed of corporations, and a global marketplace that is getting more and more competitive. If you've been to India, you'll realize, that they are now struggling with increasing salaries; eventually the cost savings won't be there, so these corporations will be moving on. Tomorrow you will be bashing Chinese or Romanians. The best we in North American can hope for is to create new markets, and technology. The world our parents grew up in is no more, now is a world of eternal vigilance to stay one step ahead of other countries. If workers in China, because of low salaries can outperform us in the cost of developing products, then we should be saying is it possible to develop machinery or automation technology to keep it as competitive, thus the skills and money get transferred instead to developing the machinery.
Just another example of how stupid the American litigation system has gotten. But I guess if these lawyers really want to make money, then they should sue Microsoft too, why must I see a signup to MSN advertisement when I install windows. Why do I get harassed a few times to sign up to MSN chat? I agreed to purchase their operating system, nothing else.
This is actually very important technology, that we in the open source community must bring to light of day ASAP. Reason being is most likely Microsoft will try to patent these types of ideas for their next generation OS, so we must remain one step ahead of them, and have plenty of prior art to protect ourselves. Going into the future, litigation will be the only weapon microsoft will have against us.
I don't understand how this affects "Buy it Now" since "Buy it Now" takes you out of the whole auction format, whats the difference then of me clicking on "But it Now", or "Add to Cart" on Amazon? Business Process Patents are just plain stupid, they are going to ruin innovation.
If patents as lame as this are being accepted, God help capitalism... I remember decades back using classified listng 'doors' (yes new products were sold on these too by local computer dealers) on bbs's with feedback questions/answers. One could hope its only a defensive patent - but like Amazon has a good reputation on that (remember one click purchase). My God the millions they must of spent on R&D to develop this technology. My Respect goes out to companies like IBM who do REAL RESEARCH, not greedy scum bags like Amazon.
Hell i'll even give Microsoft more respect then Amazon for Patents. Netscape should of sued them, when they sued B & N for their one click -- when its Netscape's technology that allowed that to occur -- can one say COOKIE... If Slashdot was smart, they should patent their threshold technology, cause if they don't losers like Amazon probably will...
As for the USPTO see you in hell for selling your souls to the devil...
Slashdot Mirror
I think this problem will fix itself in the near term, the problem right now is that the amount of innovation happening into Linux is just mind boggling. Its not even the kernel, the guys at freedestop/xorg are producing a ton of new code too, along with talk of moving the X-Window graphics drivers into the kernel etc. I think Linus realizes that in order to capitalize on this momentum and investment by large corporations its best to release as much as possible into the current kernel, versus our past way of moving it to development releases. Remember what went into Linux so far as been available in competitor offerings in one way or another, and we are currently consolidating our technology and playing catch-up with competitors. With all technology an eventual level of maturation occurs, and when we get to this level, believe me, it WILL BE READY for the 'average user' desktop and things will "Just Work".
Will they be doing a receiver swap, I imagine their current stream is probably some custom mpeg2 format, which means they could get more bandwidth if they switch over to mpeg4?
Once factor you forgot is the energy required to pump out the water, granted in this case its being used for drinking too; but beyond that, does it still make economical sense to use as strictly a form of cooling?
For an even funnier laugh, I recommend reading this one Is Brown Really the Father of Samizdat? - A Parody by Justin Moore to counter the Fake Research, hmm did I mention about their Fake Research?
http://www.gmu.edu/alumni/spirit/00fall/ansari.htm l
If you look at the donators background, I don't think you could find a better or more honorable person to have sponsored this event...
This woman definitely deserves her name to be recorded with X Prize's History...
------- Novell
"McBride: Would you buy an operating system without the source-code copyright? If you don't have copyright, they can turn around the next day and screw you."
If you 'Bought' an operating system, then why are you still paying Novell royalties, sounds
more like 'managing' it for them, similar to property management companies [which don't own
the property].
o Novell Shows Its Hand in the SCO Correspondence
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200401141 1254734&mode=print
------- IBM
"Another issue, where I think you can win, is in your contract dispute with IBM. I know Caldera Inc. [SCO's earlier name] bought SCO's Unix properties in the first place with the expectation that IBM would continue to work with Caldera/SCO on bringing AIX/5L to Intel processors, Project Monterey. IBM, in the event, terminated Monterey only weeks after Caldera closed the deal."
You can get information regarding the agreement here:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20 0403071 1323697
In this agreement since Caldera purchased SCO, it clearly states
that IBM had the right to terminate the agreement:
"Notwithstanding Section 15.1, IBM shall have the right to terminate this
Agreement immediately upon the occurrence of a Change of Control of SCO"
------- GPL
As for the issue of GPL, this is taken from GPL License:
2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1 above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions:
* a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.
* b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.
I wish to ask SCO this, in the license it states that if you modify code, and SUBMIT IT FOR PUBLIC USE
[ outside of your own personal use ], then it MUST BE under the conditions of the GPL, why did you allow
such a breach to occur? Then your first lawsuit should of been against your employee who submitted
the code and disciplining your legal department for not having a proper policy in place. This
places you in a position very similar to a retail store setting a wrong price on an item, and then
having to honour it, or at least publicly announce what EXACT code was placed that wasn't authorized
and ask for it to be removed...
------- Derivative Work
"Sontag: We've shown the SGI code and a number of other things. The preponderance of stuff that we'll be showing, other than the IBM derivative work, is still forthcoming."
$ echo 8/85 -- AT&T Made No Claim to Derivatives, Only to Software Developed by AT&T
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200 402121 54324447
-------- ABI
"There are things out there that help people understand how to program to System V application binary interfaces [ABIs], to help them hook up to the OS. It was out there to help people write applications. It wasn't published to help someone knock off the OS and create a free version of System V."
Analysis of the ABI files:
SCO's Former VP Said The ABI Files Could Be Used in Linux Freely
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200403050 7394870
The ABI Files: More on Errno.h -- by Warren Toomey, UNIX Heritage Society
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200402211 92536920
Signal.h -- Part 2 of Warren Toomey's look at the ABI Files
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200402292 3000172
The BSD Smokescreen by Dr Stupid
http://www.groklaw.ne
------- Novell "McBride: Would you buy an operating system without the source-code copyright? If you don't have copyright, they can turn around the next day and screw you." If you 'Bought' an operating system, then why are you still paying Novell royalties, sounds more like 'managing' it for them, similar to property management companies [which don't own the property]. o Novell Shows Its Hand in the SCO Correspondence http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200401141 1254734&mode=print ------- IBM "Another issue, where I think you can win, is in your contract dispute with IBM. I know Caldera Inc. [SCO's earlier name] bought SCO's Unix properties in the first place with the expectation that IBM would continue to work with Caldera/SCO on bringing AIX/5L to Intel processors, Project Monterey. IBM, in the event, terminated Monterey only weeks after Caldera closed the deal." You can get information regarding the agreement here: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200403071 1323697 In this agreement since Caldera purchased SCO, it clearly states that IBM had the right to terminate the agreement: "Notwithstanding Section 15.1, IBM shall have the right to terminate this Agreement immediately upon the occurrence of a Change of Control of SCO" ------- GPL As for the issue of GPL, this is taken from GPL License: 2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1 above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions: * a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change. * b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License. I wish to ask SCO this, in the license it states that if you modify code, and SUBMIT IT FOR PUBLIC USE [ outside of your own personal use ], then it MUST BE under the conditions of the GPL, why did you allow such a breach to occur? Then your first lawsuit should of been against your employee who submitted the code and disciplining your legal department for not having a proper policy in place. This places you in a position very similar to a retail store setting a wrong price on an item, and then having to honour it, or at least publicly announce what EXACT code was placed that wasn't authorized and ask for it to be removed... ------- Derivative Work "Sontag: We've shown the SGI code and a number of other things. The preponderance of stuff that we'll be showing, other than the IBM derivative work, is still forthcoming." $ echo 8/85 -- AT&T Made No Claim to Derivatives, Only to Software Developed by AT&T http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200402121 54324447 -------- ABI "There are things out there that help people understand how to program to System V application binary interfaces [ABIs], to help them hook up to the OS. It was out there to help people write applications. It wasn't published to help someone knock off the OS and create a free version of System V." Analysis of the ABI files: SCO's Former VP Said The ABI Files Could Be Used in Linux Freely http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200403050 7394870 The ABI Files: More on Errno.h -- by Warren Toomey, UNIX Heritage Society http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200402211 92536920 Signal.h -- Part 2 of Warren Toomey's look at the ABI Files http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200402292 3000172 The BSD Smokescreen by Dr Stupid http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200402181 95403210 -------- Dynamic Shared Libraries [MORE ABI] "Sontag: Sure, there may be some of that, but look at dynamic shared libraries; different operating systems imple
Well according to some old news releases, they purchased 3000 linux terminals, I wonder if they were a SCO Customer earlier? Anyhow this gives ammo to Redhat in their lawsuit, that they are threatning their customers. http://archive.infoworld.com/articles/pi/xml/99/12 /01/991201piredauto.xml
There is a file in there called gnumake, you mean to tell me they are using GCC, I HIGHLY doubt that, something doesn't sound right, fake perhaps?
Shouldn't Bioware also be getting a share, more games are probably being burned to CD/DVD's then music, this tax is so pathetic, just a money grab by this organization, there management fees probably take out 65% of it too, leaving the artists next to nothing.
Look for X10 in this article http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jenett-news/message/ 222?source=1
It seems at one time, this AdvertisingBanners company was actually distributing their Ads, and if you read in that url, it also mentions that pop-unders where initially done by the online porn industry... The SeattleTimes doesn't mention anything about Patents, X10 probably just didn't pay these guys?
The original technology behind that is Sun's Java Webstart, i'sn't there any patents covering that? Its pretty slick technology once you get it working right, I would be amazed if Sun didn't patent it, its hell of a lot more innovative then Amazon's one click purchase crap.
I think the real issue is the greed of corporations, and a global marketplace that is getting more and more competitive. If you've been to India, you'll realize, that they are now struggling with increasing salaries; eventually the cost savings won't be there, so these corporations will be moving on. Tomorrow you will be bashing Chinese or Romanians. The best we in North American can hope for is to create new markets, and technology. The world our parents grew up in is no more, now is a world of eternal vigilance to stay one step ahead of other countries. If workers in China, because of low salaries can outperform us in the cost of developing products, then we should be saying is it possible to develop machinery or automation technology to keep it as competitive, thus the skills and money get transferred instead to developing the machinery.
Just another example of how stupid the American litigation system has gotten. But I guess if these lawyers really want to make money, then they should sue Microsoft too, why must I see a signup to MSN advertisement when I install windows. Why do I get harassed a few times to sign up to MSN chat? I agreed to purchase their operating system, nothing else.
This is actually very important technology, that we in the open source community must bring to light of day ASAP. Reason being is most likely Microsoft will try to patent these types of ideas for their next generation OS, so we must remain one step ahead of them, and have plenty of prior art to protect ourselves. Going into the future, litigation will be the only weapon microsoft will have against us.
I don't understand how this affects "Buy it Now" since "Buy it Now" takes you out of the whole auction format, whats the difference then of me clicking on "But it Now", or "Add to Cart" on Amazon? Business Process Patents are just plain stupid, they are going to ruin innovation.
If patents as lame as this are being accepted, God help capitalism... I remember decades back using classified listng 'doors' (yes new products were sold on these too by local computer dealers) on bbs's with feedback questions/answers. One could hope its only a defensive patent - but like Amazon has a good reputation on that (remember one click purchase). My God the millions they must of spent on R&D to develop this technology. My Respect goes out to companies like IBM who do REAL RESEARCH, not greedy scum bags like Amazon. Hell i'll even give Microsoft more respect then Amazon for Patents. Netscape should of sued them, when they sued B & N for their one click -- when its Netscape's technology that allowed that to occur -- can one say COOKIE... If Slashdot was smart, they should patent their threshold technology, cause if they don't losers like Amazon probably will... As for the USPTO see you in hell for selling your souls to the devil...