Probably Netscape, I was at uni when HTTP was invented. Most people, including the lecturer's were not interested, at best people thought it might somehow be useful for professional publishers, none of us had any inkling of how fast it would grow and spread. I think the reason for this is that geeks already knew how to move files around and they saw it as just one of many ways to move and display files, obviously they could only do it with a special file in an unfamiliar format (HTTP). The basic reaction from most technical people at the time was a shrug, to them the basic idea was "obvious", its future central role in the communications revolution of the 1990's was not.
I'm sorry, but there is nothing special about HTTP.
I was at uni studying CS when HTTP was invented, that's exactly what I thought, boy was I wrong!
I also shrugged at Java - "1970's pcode in a new dress, so what".
HBO executives don't want families with young children cancelling their subscriptions when they casually click on your friend's show.
What? I'm an Aussie and even I know HBO has had some great uncensored comedy acts (the late, great, George Carlin comes to mind as a prime example), if I'm not mistaken HBO is "The place" to been seen for an aspiring American stand up?
Yes, but grandma is not, nor has she ever been a developer. As I posted elsewhere my 80yo dad learnt python recently "for fun", hes a retired mechanical engineer, not a developer. I'm an old developer, the next thing I have to learn is NSIS. Like new cars, young developers don't have any rust, they have not lived long enough to have experienced re-learning things they knew in great detail 10-20-30yrs ago, Once you get to my Dad's age, "keeping ones marbles" is something to be thankful for. I also consider myself to be fortunate to work for a large Japanese firm, age and experience are given due respect and the company returns a consistent profit.
My 80yo dad taught himself python recently, he doesn't need to learn it, he wants to. I'm 54, it's difficult to see oneself as others do but I do have to pick up new things to survive and mostly I enjoy doing so. Can I pick things up like I could 30yrs ago? - No I can't, age has slowed down the mental process but experience has also given me a longer list of things that could go wrong. I tried the management route in my late 30's and people above and below me told me I was good at it, but these days I don't need the minor increase in money and I especially don't need the major responsibility of looking after a bunch of people, I've been offered similar promotions where I am now and younger blokes have a hard time understanding why I knocked them back. Dad was a mechanical engineer, I am a software engineer, my eldest son is an electrical engineer, my brother owns a small engineering business, seems to be a pattern there....
I've been in the game for 23yrs, I have a fair bit of (Australian) experience on both sides of the interview, I have never seen the situation you describe occur in real life, no developer I have ever worked with was hired by HR, they were hired by the project manager.. HR simply "thin" the resumes based on what the project manager tells them and normally the senior techs/team leaders are part of the interview. HR also do background checks, questions such as - Does the person have a clean record? - Is that bit of paper he's waving about genuine? - Do his last 3 bosses have a meltdown and start sobbing when asked for a reference?
We talked with them. You can see who's in over their head very quickly,
Yep, it's easy. If you know what your talking about you can spot a wannabe/bullshitter in the first 2 minutes. I don't know where all this fuss about hiring "rock star" programmers comes from, is it an American thing? What most employers in Oz want is a good solid worker who can turn unfamiliar and vague ideas into working code (I've hired at least 50 of these people since 1990, and done a few hundred interviews to find them). Sure, if they happen to be a genius it's a bonus, but it's not a requirement. Of course we didn't read every resume, we gave HR a set of skills and they picked the top ten resumes from which we selected and interviewed five. In the rare case that none were suitable we started all over again.
Having said that, what the people in TFA are really looking for is a talented business analyst, someone who can turn a business problem into a gold mine, doesn't make much difference who codes it. If I personally had such a talent I would not have been hiring programmers for giant corporations, I would have been hiring them for myself.
we shot the shit about programming and past jobs
Precisely, the dreaded "people skills" win jobs at the interview stage, make em laugh with you not at you.
That's how I see it, the redaction itself is reasonable, what makes it a crime is that they didn't seek permission from the the court. What makes it worse is that it seems professional investigators(who should know better) went along with it, at a minimum I think a hefty fine would be appropriate for their contempt/incompetence.
Self serving nonsense too, VF bitching that nobody pays attention to "professional trend setters", what is VF if not a "professional trend setter"? The only problem with DRM is that it is illegal to tamper with it in the US, rumors of the death of culture are just that, rumors.
Having said that, the OP definitely deserves "interesting" for the number of replies alone.
With population growth and security issues... privacy will someday be a thing of the past
In the past we had less privacy than we do now, a fancy camera system is no match for gossip in a small town. In the past, if you wanted privacy you looked for it out of town.
Crappy pin on the map, that's the old airstrip for the sawmill owners light plane! The town is a few miles south of the pin where the road forks. It's been a ghost town since the sawmill leases ran out in the 80's and the area was turned into a series of national parks, cost me a job but even back I thought it was the "right thing to do". It was old growth forest, already fairly well regulated on our side of the state border. Seeing a single tree ( Mountain Ash) arrive as two main logs each log weighing about 35 tones and taking up an entire truck is an awesome sight, the machinery to break it down into timber has a gracefulness in its movements that you wouldn't expect in something that can throw a 35 ton block of wood around like a toothpick, but like an arbitrator the whole process was just a bit sad.
Some mills were less sympathetic and they seemed to coincide with mills where the pay was ordinary and company housing conditions were fit for young single men only. Some of these people got violent, staging night raids on the camps of protesters who more often than not chained themselves to the biggest trees they could find. However this was often comical since the biggest trees were usually in gulleys too steep for a bulldozer and too close to a waterway to be legally harvested, all the old growth trees harvested on the south side of the state border were individually selected and tracked through the mills by government forestry workers. The protesters were idealistic and naive but they had a valid point. Look on the map link to the north across the border, that huge bald patch that stretches from Delegate to Cooma is what a mismanaged forest looks like, parts of that patch are still infertile wasteland 30yrs later, the top soil has been washed away leaving gigantic grey tree stumps perched 2 meters in the air on their roots, land fit for goats and not much else. Most of the north forest was sold to Japan to make office paper, it was an economic "boom" to the region while it lasted but left a giant scar on public land that will be seen from space for a long time to come.
NSW seems to have become a bit wiser, these days they basically lease parcels of land from farmers and employ locals to plant natural woodland on it in the hope that one day their timber industry might be resurrected in a more sustainable form.
Like every tool ever invented it's affect on society is determined by the people who wield it. There's is enough experience with CCTV now to convincingly demonstrate that they a very effective way to reduce crime or increase oppression. Banning a useful tool because it might be abused by someone never works, it's practically the definition of what it means to be a Luddite.
Let me be clear I'm not arguing for or against CCTV, if you (the royal version) have ever lived in a genuine small town then it would be clear that people knowing your every public move (and way too many private ones) is the default "human condition". Seriously, I took a Sunday afternoon bath with the wife one day, the next day the guys at work were ribbing me about it! If you were 15min late for work the boss would be knocking on your front door. And yes, we really did have kangaroos in the main street, there was one roo in particular that was know to hang out at the bar in the Mallacoota pub! Having said that there's something about living in a small town that just "feels right", assuming you that you naturally "fit in" with the people around you.
A lot of commercial applications use torrents to run their automatic updates but it makes no difference because in the eyes of the studios the entire internet is synonymous with piracy. Coincidentally I was watching a satirical political show last night on ABC (Australia's answer to the BBC). They were taking the piss out of some US diplomat that said people shouldn't download a particular US TV show, the comic's answer was - "I'll make you a deal America, you stop making that shit and I will stop downloading it". The comic was quite good, admitting that he probably wold "steal a car" if he could do it with a couple of clicks on his computer. My point about the comic is that all this bullshit no longer affects just the nerds as it did 10yrs ago, it's now worked it's way into mainstream parody.
One credit card, $2k limit, had it since the early 80's when credit cards first became widely available in Australia. If I wanted more credit then I would use the equity in my house to avoid the stupendous interest rates charged on credit cards. If I was suffering from OCD I could rack up "fly buys" or whatever they are called just like mum collected "green stamps", but truth be told I can't be arsed with the paperwork to play that game. Of course I'm in a much better financial position now than when I got the card, back then $2K was close to 2 months wages, to a young family it was both a godsend and a mill stone. These days it's just a convenience for buying stuff on the net and feeding the car park vending machine.
Anarchy is a social condition where (ideally) the only rule is there are no rules, the internet is the complete opposite. The infrastructure it runs on is the worlds largest machine, it covers the globe and simply would not work without international cooperation and compromise. It was born from academics cooperating to get stuff done, it was paid for by US taxpayers "cooperating" via their government. Anarchist may use (or disrupt) the internet these days but the "machine" it runs on would never emerge under their misguided philosophy of non-cooperation.
The OS depends on the bios, ie: a program to load the bootstrap program. Following the turtles further down we find the line between hardware and software starts to blur. As I said elsewhere, Donald Knuth defined "program" as, program = algorithm + data, it's the definition 9 out of 10 computer scientists recommend.
So we'd also conclude that the online man pages are in fact programs.
From a computer science POV the classical definition of "program" comes from Knuth; program = algorithm + data, in your makefile scenario the man pages are data.
And yes, my build + package infrastructure is written in python, I specifically set out to learn python because after an afternoon of tinkering I strongly suspected it would be better than batch files and shell scripts we were using. I've been using it for a few years now in production, works well on windows and the four flavors of unix we officially support. Python's portability also makes it easy to write scripts for developers to handle the old growth forest we affectionately call our CVS repository (~30 active project/version combinations and a thicket of legacy projects).
How do we handle the 3.0 fork I hear you say? - we don't, we picked 2.5 and stuck with it but most the stuff would run happily of the latest 2.x should we find a valid reason to update. And yes, on the surface it looks like we should also be using git or subversion but none of us see the effort of conversion to be worth it when most of the practical deficiencies of CVS can be over come with a few lines of python.
You sound like your fresh out of collage. Seriously, the people around you are morons and deadlines are just something for the chief moron to put in an email?
So now we have the situation where the police are driving full speed towards a police state
Been hearing that since the 60's. All I can say it is must be a long drive to a police state, either that or they're stuck at one of those enormous roundabouts you have over there..
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Troll? - Mods are a bit sensitive about something, not really sure what?
Probably Netscape, I was at uni when HTTP was invented. Most people, including the lecturer's were not interested, at best people thought it might somehow be useful for professional publishers, none of us had any inkling of how fast it would grow and spread. I think the reason for this is that geeks already knew how to move files around and they saw it as just one of many ways to move and display files, obviously they could only do it with a special file in an unfamiliar format (HTTP). The basic reaction from most technical people at the time was a shrug, to them the basic idea was "obvious", its future central role in the communications revolution of the 1990's was not.
I'm sorry, but there is nothing special about HTTP.
I was at uni studying CS when HTTP was invented, that's exactly what I thought, boy was I wrong!
I also shrugged at Java - "1970's pcode in a new dress, so what".
HBO executives don't want families with young children cancelling their subscriptions when they casually click on your friend's show.
What? I'm an Aussie and even I know HBO has had some great uncensored comedy acts (the late, great, George Carlin comes to mind as a prime example), if I'm not mistaken HBO is "The place" to been seen for an aspiring American stand up?
Yes, but grandma is not, nor has she ever been a developer. As I posted elsewhere my 80yo dad learnt python recently "for fun", hes a retired mechanical engineer, not a developer. I'm an old developer, the next thing I have to learn is NSIS. Like new cars, young developers don't have any rust, they have not lived long enough to have experienced re-learning things they knew in great detail 10-20-30yrs ago, Once you get to my Dad's age, "keeping ones marbles" is something to be thankful for. I also consider myself to be fortunate to work for a large Japanese firm, age and experience are given due respect and the company returns a consistent profit.
My 80yo dad taught himself python recently, he doesn't need to learn it, he wants to. I'm 54, it's difficult to see oneself as others do but I do have to pick up new things to survive and mostly I enjoy doing so. Can I pick things up like I could 30yrs ago? - No I can't, age has slowed down the mental process but experience has also given me a longer list of things that could go wrong. I tried the management route in my late 30's and people above and below me told me I was good at it, but these days I don't need the minor increase in money and I especially don't need the major responsibility of looking after a bunch of people, I've been offered similar promotions where I am now and younger blokes have a hard time understanding why I knocked them back. Dad was a mechanical engineer, I am a software engineer, my eldest son is an electrical engineer, my brother owns a small engineering business, seems to be a pattern there....
I've been in the game for 23yrs, I have a fair bit of (Australian) experience on both sides of the interview, I have never seen the situation you describe occur in real life, no developer I have ever worked with was hired by HR, they were hired by the project manager.. HR simply "thin" the resumes based on what the project manager tells them and normally the senior techs/team leaders are part of the interview. HR also do background checks, questions such as - Does the person have a clean record? - Is that bit of paper he's waving about genuine? - Do his last 3 bosses have a meltdown and start sobbing when asked for a reference?
We talked with them. You can see who's in over their head very quickly,
Yep, it's easy. If you know what your talking about you can spot a wannabe/bullshitter in the first 2 minutes. I don't know where all this fuss about hiring "rock star" programmers comes from, is it an American thing? What most employers in Oz want is a good solid worker who can turn unfamiliar and vague ideas into working code (I've hired at least 50 of these people since 1990, and done a few hundred interviews to find them). Sure, if they happen to be a genius it's a bonus, but it's not a requirement. Of course we didn't read every resume, we gave HR a set of skills and they picked the top ten resumes from which we selected and interviewed five. In the rare case that none were suitable we started all over again.
Having said that, what the people in TFA are really looking for is a talented business analyst, someone who can turn a business problem into a gold mine, doesn't make much difference who codes it. If I personally had such a talent I would not have been hiring programmers for giant corporations, I would have been hiring them for myself.
we shot the shit about programming and past jobs
Precisely, the dreaded "people skills" win jobs at the interview stage, make em laugh with you not at you.
That's how I see it, the redaction itself is reasonable, what makes it a crime is that they didn't seek permission from the the court. What makes it worse is that it seems professional investigators(who should know better) went along with it, at a minimum I think a hefty fine would be appropriate for their contempt/incompetence.
Self serving nonsense too, VF bitching that nobody pays attention to "professional trend setters", what is VF if not a "professional trend setter"? The only problem with DRM is that it is illegal to tamper with it in the US, rumors of the death of culture are just that, rumors. Having said that, the OP definitely deserves "interesting" for the number of replies alone.
With population growth and security issues... privacy will someday be a thing of the past
In the past we had less privacy than we do now, a fancy camera system is no match for gossip in a small town. In the past, if you wanted privacy you looked for it out of town.
Dash cams are popular in Russia because insurance is cheaper if you have one, their popularity has nothing to do with cops.
Crappy pin on the map, that's the old airstrip for the sawmill owners light plane! The town is a few miles south of the pin where the road forks. It's been a ghost town since the sawmill leases ran out in the 80's and the area was turned into a series of national parks, cost me a job but even back I thought it was the "right thing to do". It was old growth forest, already fairly well regulated on our side of the state border. Seeing a single tree ( Mountain Ash) arrive as two main logs each log weighing about 35 tones and taking up an entire truck is an awesome sight, the machinery to break it down into timber has a gracefulness in its movements that you wouldn't expect in something that can throw a 35 ton block of wood around like a toothpick, but like an arbitrator the whole process was just a bit sad.
Some mills were less sympathetic and they seemed to coincide with mills where the pay was ordinary and company housing conditions were fit for young single men only. Some of these people got violent, staging night raids on the camps of protesters who more often than not chained themselves to the biggest trees they could find. However this was often comical since the biggest trees were usually in gulleys too steep for a bulldozer and too close to a waterway to be legally harvested, all the old growth trees harvested on the south side of the state border were individually selected and tracked through the mills by government forestry workers. The protesters were idealistic and naive but they had a valid point. Look on the map link to the north across the border, that huge bald patch that stretches from Delegate to Cooma is what a mismanaged forest looks like, parts of that patch are still infertile wasteland 30yrs later, the top soil has been washed away leaving gigantic grey tree stumps perched 2 meters in the air on their roots, land fit for goats and not much else. Most of the north forest was sold to Japan to make office paper, it was an economic "boom" to the region while it lasted but left a giant scar on public land that will be seen from space for a long time to come.
NSW seems to have become a bit wiser, these days they basically lease parcels of land from farmers and employ locals to plant natural woodland on it in the hope that one day their timber industry might be resurrected in a more sustainable form.
Like every tool ever invented it's affect on society is determined by the people who wield it. There's is enough experience with CCTV now to convincingly demonstrate that they a very effective way to reduce crime or increase oppression. Banning a useful tool because it might be abused by someone never works, it's practically the definition of what it means to be a Luddite.
Let me be clear I'm not arguing for or against CCTV, if you (the royal version) have ever lived in a genuine small town then it would be clear that people knowing your every public move (and way too many private ones) is the default "human condition". Seriously, I took a Sunday afternoon bath with the wife one day, the next day the guys at work were ribbing me about it! If you were 15min late for work the boss would be knocking on your front door. And yes, we really did have kangaroos in the main street, there was one roo in particular that was know to hang out at the bar in the Mallacoota pub! Having said that there's something about living in a small town that just "feels right", assuming you that you naturally "fit in" with the people around you.
A lot of commercial applications use torrents to run their automatic updates but it makes no difference because in the eyes of the studios the entire internet is synonymous with piracy. Coincidentally I was watching a satirical political show last night on ABC (Australia's answer to the BBC). They were taking the piss out of some US diplomat that said people shouldn't download a particular US TV show, the comic's answer was - "I'll make you a deal America, you stop making that shit and I will stop downloading it". The comic was quite good, admitting that he probably wold "steal a car" if he could do it with a couple of clicks on his computer. My point about the comic is that all this bullshit no longer affects just the nerds as it did 10yrs ago, it's now worked it's way into mainstream parody.
One credit card, $2k limit, had it since the early 80's when credit cards first became widely available in Australia. If I wanted more credit then I would use the equity in my house to avoid the stupendous interest rates charged on credit cards. If I was suffering from OCD I could rack up "fly buys" or whatever they are called just like mum collected "green stamps", but truth be told I can't be arsed with the paperwork to play that game. Of course I'm in a much better financial position now than when I got the card, back then $2K was close to 2 months wages, to a young family it was both a godsend and a mill stone. These days it's just a convenience for buying stuff on the net and feeding the car park vending machine.
Anarchy is a social condition where (ideally) the only rule is there are no rules, the internet is the complete opposite. The infrastructure it runs on is the worlds largest machine, it covers the globe and simply would not work without international cooperation and compromise. It was born from academics cooperating to get stuff done, it was paid for by US taxpayers "cooperating" via their government. Anarchist may use (or disrupt) the internet these days but the "machine" it runs on would never emerge under their misguided philosophy of non-cooperation.
The OS depends on the bios, ie: a program to load the bootstrap program. Following the turtles further down we find the line between hardware and software starts to blur. As I said elsewhere, Donald Knuth defined "program" as, program = algorithm + data, it's the definition 9 out of 10 computer scientists recommend.
Disclaimer: IAACS.
So we'd also conclude that the online man pages are in fact programs.
From a computer science POV the classical definition of "program" comes from Knuth; program = algorithm + data, in your makefile scenario the man pages are data.
And yes, my build + package infrastructure is written in python, I specifically set out to learn python because after an afternoon of tinkering I strongly suspected it would be better than batch files and shell scripts we were using. I've been using it for a few years now in production, works well on windows and the four flavors of unix we officially support. Python's portability also makes it easy to write scripts for developers to handle the old growth forest we affectionately call our CVS repository (~30 active project/version combinations and a thicket of legacy projects).
How do we handle the 3.0 fork I hear you say? - we don't, we picked 2.5 and stuck with it but most the stuff would run happily of the latest 2.x should we find a valid reason to update. And yes, on the surface it looks like we should also be using git or subversion but none of us see the effort of conversion to be worth it when most of the practical deficiencies of CVS can be over come with a few lines of python.
A JIT compiler is just an interpreter that can see into the immediate future.
You can't create a new standard without getting everybody onboard and that means making compromises.
This is slashdot, take your "people problems" elsewhere. /jk
Please reply with further geopolitical analysis regarding whatever topic you feel appropriate.
All your base belong to us!
The only "white pointers" you will find on the reef belong to topless bathers. The 2 ton man eating fish lives down south.
You sound like your fresh out of collage. Seriously, the people around you are morons and deadlines are just something for the chief moron to put in an email?
So now we have the situation where the police are driving full speed towards a police state
Been hearing that since the 60's. All I can say it is must be a long drive to a police state, either that or they're stuck at one of those enormous roundabouts you have over there..